Sazerac employee here; I'll just say, at our facility they expanded the BT product holdings to basically take up 100% of our rickhouses. We also acquired a large chunk of acreage off site for new rickhouse construction, as did Green River in the next town over. That being said, I don't think it would be to the point that demand tanks. With quality control being a huge thing right now for us, if anything it'll just make those allocated products a little bit easier to find. Which would be good for people who have never even seen some products on the shelf before.

LOVE the discussion on the state of the industry. I hope the pendulum doesn't swing back too hard and clobbers some good-to-great craft distilleries. As a consumer I will be happy to see prices come down and the secondary market get minimalized.

@iowabassman4701

25 күн бұрын

The good-great will survive without issue. The mediocre-terrible (99% of craft distilleries) will rightfully correct.

Buffalo Trace's warehouse expansion gave them an extra 1.1 million barrels+ of aging capacity. The oldest barrels are now ~6 years old. When their tsunami of supply starts making it's way to the market over the next 7 years or so, it's going to have a serious impact on other distillers(and brands that are sourcing). They're going to crush it but consumers will be buying BT products and less of whatever else is available. Demand will not increase in perpetuity unless the industry can really develop the international market(possible but highly uncertain). Craft beer is going through a reckoning at this very moment with lots of breweries closing and flatish demand. My money is on bourbon dealing with a similar reckoning within 5 years. The amount of expansion is insane.

@TheMarcopix

25 күн бұрын

Agreed. Guys who sell at retail tell me tequila is starting to make a move and people I know who work at Maker's and Beam say they're seeing a slowdown. Bourbon has had a phenomenal run but tastes change over time...things go in cycles. In the 70's kids didn't want to drink what their dads drank and went with clear spirits. Bourbon languished for a couple of decades. We might be seeing this happen again.

@johnclubb261

25 күн бұрын

@@TheMarcopix I've heard the same about tequila. You're spot on with the comment about tastes changing. Assuming bourbon will keep growing is a bubble mentality that never ends well. I guess we'll find out if these massive corporations can push bourbon into countries where it's a niche market at best at the moment. It does help that many of the legacy distilleries are owned by spirits corporations with a global presence.

@TheUMIA

25 күн бұрын

Tequila has already made a move. It's been a good year.

@JamesDavis-mm2mi

25 күн бұрын

Rum or tequila is what im seeing as well

@Sitri115

25 күн бұрын

@@johnclubb261 Bourbon will keep growing, but not for big labels like Maker's Mark, Beam, etc. Smaller outfits like Still Austin, Smoke Wagon, and Ironroot Republic are gonna be what keeps growing while Maker's Mark and company will just stagnate because they're not innovating or doing anything super special except for once a year allocated releases that people are tired of chasing when the price goes up but the quality stays the same.

If OGD 114 is discontinued, get ready for a re-release with a repackaged bottle, the same juice and double the price.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Yup. 7 or 8 yr cask strength basil hayden. Depending how long they take the release it. They may go to a 10yr age statement and charge triple, and to make it less obvious/taste a little different and better than og ogd 114

@andykleschick2047

24 күн бұрын

I’d also expect that they’d do some historic last run of OGD/ OGD114 to send it out. Like an LE of it, something like that too to collect on the hype of that brand before it would officially discontinue

@SRVandDtrouble

3 күн бұрын

Crazy for me here its just now widely available and at 30 dollars as opposed to 45 plus a year ago.

I am calling it: Dan is right about the Elizabethtown facility being too late. Place your bets on which of the big boys buys them out for pennies on the dollar within 5 years

I think people freaked out because there was an article from Robert Simonson, who has credibility in the booze journalism world, that said that about OGD114. But it's still journalism. I'm thankful for the two of you. I'll go with what you say in this regard. Everyday. Love you guys!

I had a hard time finding OGD 114 for a long time. Then in the last few months it’s been everywhere. I remember it tasting like peanut shells but a high proof whiskey that’s around $20 it’s a buy for me.

@treytison1444

25 күн бұрын

Yeah I agree the flavor is kinda weird and musty but it's by no means terrible and I think it's an ok buy for the price.

@geland1

25 күн бұрын

It works really well in an old fashioned or manhattan

the last couple old tubs I had were phenomenal for $18. they've gotten better since a couple years ago. sweeter and less funk.

OGD114 had their TTB label renewed in January.

@SRVandDtrouble

3 күн бұрын

This is why I even click on these videos. Someone in the comments does a little bit of research instead of just pushing click bait bs. Jeez these guys should worry more about that free money revenue stream drying up because their content has never improved and has always been inconsistent and kind of meaningless. This channel should be called ADHD.

I have heard OGD 114 was going to be discontinued every 6 months or so for the last 20 years.

I'm the OGD at one fourteen. Jimmy Beam don't dis-continue me! - The late Old Dirty Bastard

I watch a lot of KZread and love that you are here. I only listen to radii in the car so I get more of your show now.

After watching this video had a the page for the Neeley Family Distillery show up on my Facebook newsfeed. Lol. Had never heard of them until your video. This thing is always listening!!

Definitely keep this format! I don't see this general industry shop talk enough.

I love it when I learn more in the comments section of a channel than I do from the hosts of a channel. Keep up the good work bourbon junkies…

Jim Beam is releasing a 16-year Old Grand Dad this year. That’s going to add hype to the brand. They would be releasing a 16-year Bakers if they were replacing it. I could see them repackaging it as an age stated/premium bourbon, but that would be shocking.

I could totally see Beam Suntory discontinuing OGD 114. I don't want them to, hell no! It's my go-to bourbon. It's my do everything bourbon that I don't feel bad about drinking and sharing too much of because of the price. The reason I think it very well could happen is they could sell it for so much more money. It is worth every bit of $50-$60 per bottle. If they cut out OGD 114, and introduced a new whiskey, maybe a 110-120 proof Basil Haden, with a really cool bottle, filled with OGD, it would sell and they'd make a lot more money. They're losing money big time on OGD 114, and we are benefiting from it with its value. Unfortunately, most good values come to an end because someone in the chain sees a chance to make more money.

@Aphabet21

25 күн бұрын

Nah. I have a hard time spending over $30 for it. If they release it at $50/bottle, then I’ll be getting more OF1910 or Rare Breed.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Yup. If it gets discontinued, i can definitely see basil hayden cask strength at triple the price being released in a year or two after ogd 114 is pulled. Or wait a few years and relesse it as 10yr cask strength basil hayden for 3-5x the price. I wouldnt be surprised if they did the 10yr and cut it down lower than 114 to make even more $ off it

@JoeScar412

24 күн бұрын

@@Aphabet21 I personally agree with you 100%. For that price I’d take 1920 and Rare Breed over OGD114 all day long. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t sell to the masses for more, though. I don’t buy Basil Hayden, but look at how popular it is at 80 proof. Bud Light, Michelob Ultra, Jack No7…. The list goes on. For people like us, we know our stuff. Gen pop buys what’s good and what’s cool. I still think an older higher proof BH would fly off the shelf. Cool new bottle, a bit of marketing and hype… With the OGD juice in it…

awesome to get to hear your insights and thoughts on the industry on this one.

They might not get rid of it but they may do the old Heaven Hill trick of taking it off the market then re-release it at a higher price

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Yup. If it does get pulled, its going to be rereleased as basil hayden cask strength and sold for triple the price

Saving the review until after the drop, THANK YOU!

Well…. OGD 114 is not listed on the Beam website a an available product

I can always find OGD 114 usually from $22 to $30. I always have a couple bottles. Hope it sticks around.

Great discussion guys. Really hope low sales will force HH to start improving their ECBP batches 13+ years and 130+ proof like pre 2020 again. And improve other distillers bottles as well in same fashion with older ages. This slowdown could really be a boon for us still drinking the spirit.

That new Augusta facility is massive, they have to have contract distilling in mind with Alex Castle in hand now. She brings Turkey knowledge and the track record of getting Old Dominick up and going.

We did ISO at the first plant under the Sazerac umbrella. Was honestly not too bad, and nowhere near as tough as a food plant. IIRC glass breakage and lab signoff were only PRPs and most of the traceability stuff was already in place for TTB. Definitely shows more than anything they have a strong and ambitious QA team...and that the international market is important to them

Great Show. Great Discussion. Very interesting. Thanks

This was like the sports talk of whiskey video. Love it. More please!

On the subject of the industry over expansion, I'm glad to see it. Once the trend moves away from bourbon again the market will normalize and we can find the bourbons we once enjoyed again. I for one will remember all the brands that forsaken their loyal customers and focused on fleecing us instead, Heaven Hill for example replacing their affordable 6 year with a 7 year at double/triple the price.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

What HH did with the BIB, pull it, age another year and double the price, thats whats going to happen with ogd 114. They will pull it for a year or two, give it an age statement and double the price, age it longer and give it a 10yr age statement and triple the price, or rerelease it as basil hayden cask strength and triple the price

@jasono.1629

24 күн бұрын

Exactly

Love this kind of content. Not sure how much a person can watch people just taste whiskey… just in general not you guys specifically.

Id love to see yall work your magic with some Bardstown juice!!

OGD is one of my favorites, old tub is 👍💯

So many large distilleries being built it crazy. Etown getting one, IJW in Shelbyville, and Gerrard County Distilling Co.

Ok so I think you all are getting way too confused on Hidden Barn. It was started as a collaboration between Royce Neeley from Neeley Family Distillery, Nate Winegar from 5280 and Jackie. For Series 1, the white labels, they blend directly from Neeley, for Series 2 they used MB Roland, the camo labels. Everything, as far as I know, is at the original distilleries aging but now I assume all barrels will move to Neeley or another new Hidden Barn only location. My guess is that the purchasing, was just buying out 5280 but not sure about that part itself since Royce was already a partner.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Exactly!!! Idk where they get this neeley is just now a part of it. Royce neeley always was. Maybe him or the family bought more of the company from jackie and or nate winegar? It wasnt the whole 5280 crew, it was just nate, along with jackie and royce that launched the brand.

@Bourbon Junkies how much does a fresh filled high rye whisky barrel cost you guys from MGP? Vinovest was offering barrels for $1700 which seemed way too much considering the flooding of the market.

Dragons Milk Origin Series is phenomenal!! If you see a bottle buy it, you won’t be sorry. I wish I could get the other finishes, all I can find is the small batch.

@ChristopherNeeme

25 күн бұрын

They're distillery only editions so far. This brand really needs to ramp up production and distribution. Love regular Dragon's Milk Origin.

CHAT! is rebel 100 any good ? i'm currently sippin on OF100 and WT101 . I can get a 1.75L for 35$ buy or no ?

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Ive never had a bad rebel. The cask strength single barrel picks are amazing.

Thanks for making me go buy some OGD114

Will be in Michigan next week. What Dragon Milk Origin should I look for? I have small batch and absolutely love it.

You all missed Dickel barrels, guess they are rocking it!

I just finished off my bottle of high west cask strength last night.

Check out Dan schoolin' the so-called "scientist" on the bourbon market. DANG!

Jim Beam: “Hey, it’s been a while since we stirred up a run on OGD114. Wanna have some fun and watch the OGD cult lose their mind?”

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Beam: want to see how we can make a crap ton off ogd 114? Age it for another year or 2 and rerelease it as basil hayden cask strength

@anthonykaiser974

24 күн бұрын

​@@jacksmith2315 that might be worth buying.

@trackvol

17 күн бұрын

​@jacksmith2315 I don't think the BASIL Hayden crowd is a Cask Strength crowd. At all. Think about it. Every single bottle of BH ever released has always been at exactly 80° from Day 1. That customer isn't drinking something at 114° or higher. And those of us that like more flavor in our whiskey, we aren't interested in what BASIL Hayden has to offer. It would just be a colossal mistake for them to try this.

Love me some 114 but would rather fork out a bit more for a KC 9

I really like old tub actually, especially for 20 bucks

How does one go about buying these barrels? Is there a website?

I like old tub

Y’all gonna do a RR15 review? 🤔🤔

Agree with Dan…these guys are late to the distillate game - everyone has started distilling / laying barrels down years ago

New to all the behind the scenes. If they have an abundance of product why don’t they fill the bottles and distribute to all the states?

What kind of bottle is that between Dan and Sean? 2nd shelf, closer to Sean lol 18:18

@Mischief_T

25 күн бұрын

That’s the good stuff lol

@BobSmith-zx4jy

25 күн бұрын

That’s not one you want to drink right from the bottle! LoL

@themooseloungepodcast

25 күн бұрын

@@BobSmith-zx4jy that's exactly what I was thinking lol

@bekind1784

25 күн бұрын

It’s Kentucky’s best Bong Bourbon, distilled from organic Kentucky Hemp.

the same thing was said about OGD 114 back in 2017 but was false

I wish Into The AM would do all of their graphics as front and pocket/back graphics. I would totally buy the new arctic graphic if it was a pocket/back.

Basil Hayden n Sweet tea is delicious!

I tried New Riff at 4 years and hated it. If you guys like it at 7 years old I'll give it a try.

Colorado craft and texas are crossing the country and will eat into the market. Less sold things are getting trimmed, little by little. Craft is also being bought by big brands too. And within those brands the less sold stuff is going to stop being made too.

I wish I liked the Jim Beam profile because they have a massive line and some are really well priced, but I can't stand the Jim Beam funk in any form (even their KC line😢).

I have bought cases just in case, but have never tasted it…@ $20 a bottle I figured why not….

OG BiB and OG114 are not going away, there's no way. I would buy that OG114 is getting an upgrade, imagine if there was OG114 but it was 7 year age stated like Black7?

Then why do I have to search everywhere for what I want? If the market is flooded?

@jmartinez4460

25 күн бұрын

But I Do love the industry discussion.

nooo! i hadn't even found my favorite value bourbon yet!

BH flavor is decent but it’s just so damn watery. It’s great watery beam stuff that should be cheaper. I love hearing old drunks in the stores saying “I love whiskey, i love BH you should try it.” 😂 👌🏼🥃 you do you boo

Randy of BourbonRealTalk beat ya to it lol (its not a race). Supposedly a commenter posted on his channel that he works at Jim B and OGD114 isn't going away now it will be in 3 to 5 yrs but Old Tube and Basil Wine cask is leaving. Possibly to put towards the Baler rye line

is having all those lights on the bottles behind you hurting the whiskey? I know sunlight does from rex and daniel's video

@jamiebrandon8475

25 күн бұрын

Surely they only turn them on while filming.

@mrfuriouser

23 күн бұрын

UV light, and heat, are the concern with your alcohol. LEDs put out a tiny fraction of UV, which isn't enough to worry about - especially if you go through bottles fairly quickly.

My guess is that the Old Grand-Dad 114 might get an age statement and a higher price, that some call stopping production. I prefer the 100 proof Old Grand-Dad, after trying both, with its 4 years of aging for bottled in bond. The rumor is definitely increasing 114 sales.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

If it does get pulled, look for basil hayden cask strength coming soon after. Or they'll wait a few years and release it as 10yr basil hayden cask strength,

I like high proof, but OGD 114 always seemed hotter than it needed to be.

@jamiebrandon8475

25 күн бұрын

Good for cocktails. Not too expensive

@treytison1444

25 күн бұрын

I think it's only semi hot but the flavors are pretty nutty and musty, there are plenty for similar prices that taste better.

@jesusjones3014

25 күн бұрын

That's why they make OGD BiB @ 100 proof.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Im really sensitive to the nutty profile from beam and HH. I dont get it on ogd 114 or bonded. Ive only just got my first bottle of it a few weeks ago since its not sold in my state and found it out of state, but ive had the bonded for awhile and i dont get that typical beam nutty funk from it. I also dont think its all that hot for 114 proof. No more than weller full proof. I always found weller 107 pretty hot for 107 proof. But the last couple pours ive had 2/3-3/4 through the bottle and finally not as hot. I always drink cask strength stuff, 115-125+, but 107 always seemed hotter than a lot of 115 proof stuff. 114 was a little hot the first pour, but the next couple after a couple weeks i dont think were hot at all

@anthonykaiser974

24 күн бұрын

​@@jacksmith2315Beam products can be that way. I picked up a single barrel Knob Creek 9 (Black Label) on post in Germany 2 years ago, 120 proof, but drank like a 90. No burn. I picked up a store pick, same label here, has a burn, but still sip-able.

How do you explain stores no longer having OGD 114 in their systems? I've personally found this at Binnys and seen others say the same.

@andykleschick2047

24 күн бұрын

Could be distributors not having any stock of it or not wanting to give that specific store or chain any of the stock? Or like the RNDC issue with Sazerac a couple of years ago playing up the hype of it to get other inventory sold? Could be that the brand is discontinuing, but also, I would think there’d be outstanding inventory already running through the 3 tier system and it wouldn’t just disappear overnight. IF they’re discontinuing it now in 2024-25 to have that inventory run through the system and give time to switch aging barrels over to another product.

@andykleschick2047

24 күн бұрын

I can’t even find it here in Ohio recently at party source or OHLQ backed stores- could just be an inventory issue something like that

Could they raise the price of ogd 114 to $50-60? Never. Can they market Basil Hayden high proof at $60? All day.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Yup. That's exactly what i said

If nothing else it has driven sales for OFD114. Again rumors drive sales.

OGD 114 is my go to for cocktails. It is up to $23 from $20 a bottle in my area.

@yellowranger808

25 күн бұрын

Oh wow $3 increase you sound like a poor loser that complains about everything under the sun.

Are they simultaneously releasing Basil Hayden Cask Strength for double the price? lol.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Thats exactly what i said. Age it for another year or two, maybe slap an age statement on it, and rerelease as basil hayden cask strength. Or age it longer. Slap a 10yr age statement on it and 3-4x the price.

Bring back the podcast

With all the barrels flooding the market there's no reason that the formula for $10 to $12 per year formula retail price for consumer cant hit the market

What about Saz continuing Early Times Bottled in Bond? I hate these new early time labels and the cheap shit they put in that bottle

I’ve heard rumors that Early Times Bottled in Bond is discontinued

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Sazerac just bought early times from brown foreman. Why would the spend all that money buying the brand to drop their best product? Idk if i believe that one

Discontinued or not, at the price, I bunkered a case to play it safe. I enjoy it too much to sleep on a rumor that could still come true. Cheers!

OGD 114 discontinued? No, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

If it does happen, look for basil hayden cask strength in a year or two at triple the price

Bourbon real talk gets more wrong than right these days 😂

Hidden Barn was the worst bottle I’ve ever bought. My first and only drain pour out of the 200+ bottles I have bought.

@nikmiller6294

25 күн бұрын

Totally agree. The Madeira finish was horrid.

@jolkraeremeark6949

25 күн бұрын

Have you had any Devils River?

Wallstreet destroys businesses in the end.

I would be very sad if they stopped making 114 permanently! Just had some last night.

I am based in the UK and I would love to see the Bourbon market open up internationally here ! we can only get hold of a very small selection from most of the heritage distilleries and a couple of odd bottles from everyone else plus the prices here are just ridiculously high when compared to the average US prices so expanding into our market would be a win/win for both consumers and producers. The US spirit market share seems to be moving to Vodka and Tequila (60%-ish market share in 2023) and US domestic bourbon consumption seems to be dropping quite rapidly, Jack Daniels have noticed this and have started to release bottles in the standard UK/EU sizes (700ml) to combine domestic and export sales in one convenient bottle size and I feel that more US producers do need to follow their lead if they want to expand their market overseas. When it comes to Bourbon vs single malt Scotch there's such a different flavour profile between them both that I feel that they can both co-exist side by side in the international market and that could be a saving grace for many bourbon producers if they simply open their minds to the international market profits that are readily available for a good product. Personally I think that the bourbon market whilst it is struggling in the US could see a world wide boom if the parent companies think outside of the box (re: domestic sales) and think more about export sales and product promotion. Buffalo Trace have just opened a 'shop' here in London which shows that they are thinking of the International market as a way of relieving the falling US bourbon sales to get them through what will ultimately be a lean patch over the next few years. Only the bigger companies that are focusing on export sales will be safe from the coming US bourbon market crash that is just around the corner. Seems stupid to think that when smaller distilleries close through lack of domestic US sales that people outside of the US (the export market) could have easily kept them afloat with additional sales ! What's that saying....'Think BIG or go home !' Well it's more like 'Think EXPORT or go broke'......Just my 2c worth.

Neeley is just not good whiskey

Not my favorite value bourbon by a long shot......no tears.

Malort 😂😂

Love 114 but I have to let each bottle open up for quite a long time.

@yellowranger808

25 күн бұрын

Dumbest thing ive read today. People that think bottles need to open up are some low level primates.

@yellowranger808

25 күн бұрын

😂😂 dude your a loser.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

I just got my first 114 since its nkt sold in MA. I didnt think it was all that much better than bonded on the first pour. After a week or so, it was so much better

Ok where is the double eagle review, Russel’s 15, er17, new presidents choice? Where are these things 😢

Let’s go

Love this style of video. Great jobs guys

Ugh... the original Hidden Barn tasted like a hint of cat piss. No amount of time warrants a rebuy... I'll let you guys test those waters well before i throw down any money on that.

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

And idk whats any different. Neeley Jackie and nate winegar launched the brand. Idk if neeley bought a bigger % of the company from jackie and nate, but he was always co owner/co founder

www.evernorthspirits.com/store

gotta see barry & what’s his name asking for $5 bucks before every vid after they’ve already taxed us to death and ruined the place 🎪

Hidden Barn sucks

Idk about neeley just now buying hidden barn. When i first heard about hidden barn, it was said to be started by royce neeley, Jackie, and nate winegar from 5280. Website said that and still says it. Maybe he or his family bought out a bigger piece of it from winegar and jackie? But it was always said that royce, jackie, and nate launched the brand as co owners/co founders

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

Also, im calling it now. If ogd 114 does get pulled, they will age it for another year or 2, maybe a few years to give it a 10yr age statement, and rerelease it as basil hayden cask strength and sell it for at least triple what its sold for now

Some stores in michigan are out of 114 and have pulled the shelf tags 🫣 . Price here is $30-33 .

@jacksmith2315

24 күн бұрын

I seen a couple ppl say this. But also seen someone say they worked for beam and 114 wasnt going anywhere just yet, but most likely will in 3-5yrs. I dont see why they would wait seeing as how they only make less than $1000 off a barrel and could be making $2000-4000. When it does get pulled, i bet its rereleased as basil hayden cask strength