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@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080

3 ай бұрын

Great job Roman! While every other journalist is picking the top Trial Master trim, you are reminding everyone that you can save some money and customize a base model that is really just as capable. Something you have mentioned before is the weight. Lots of people say it is too heavy, but it seems to me that it is quite close to the new LC250. When you compare this to the Land Cruiser can you do an in-depth (GVWR) comparison of weights and payloads?

@kluthage421

3 ай бұрын

Your titles are so click baity. Nobody is surprised you lost a ton on a LR trade-in.

@theofilusbouwer3430

3 ай бұрын

Come on guys you can't put price on luxury performance 😂😂

@jeffk464

3 ай бұрын

I'm starting to think Ineos is going to be successful

@CJ-rk5eg

3 ай бұрын

Too bad Roman didn’t do a better comparison of the same options via an a la carte approach vs. the trial master package. It’s actually a better value when I did the comparison. Looking forward to your testing, and long term evaluations. Please compare it to the Lexus GX550! I am cross shopping. And I’m considering cancelling my IG order for the new GX due to proven reliability, and brand value, and my use case which is not rocket climbing or situations where I need three lockers. Also, I can get the Overtrail for 16K less than my ordered IG. Thanks!

3:05 For a second I thought we were getting a family story about Tommy being conceived in a Jag Wagon.

@la897

3 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@richshan529

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

like grandma always used to say, "buy high, sell low".

@cliffmorgan31

3 ай бұрын

That is a consistent part of my skill set….

@bartismoellis1052

3 ай бұрын

I was hoping Tommy would tell us he bought the Jag wagon or at least tried.

@mediocreman2

3 ай бұрын

They have many millions in the bank, they might pretend they care, but the depreciation is all written off as a business expense.

@StarGateSG7

3 ай бұрын

@@mediocreman2 TFL Truck only earns about $20,000 a month from KZread and the rest above that KZread income amount is from corporate sponsorships. Their actual NET Worth after taxes and employee salaries is only about $1.6 Million USD and most of that money is tied up in the ranch property they bought a few years ago! While Roman is a paper millionaire, cash-wise he is only sitting on about $250,000 in the corporate bank account in CASH and that is used just to meet the monthly PAYROLL and the monthly building lease payments and utilities payments! Compare TFL's position to that of LTT (Linus Tech Tips) KZread channel of Surrey, British Columbia, Canada which has a NET WORTH of $100,000,000+ USD and Linus Sebastion is sitting on $15,000,000 USD in CASH! Only certain KZread channels are TRULY LARGE (i.e. Mr. Beast and LTT). Everyone else pretty much makes a piddling amount of money compared to the number of work hours they put in. Depreciation is only 5% to 18% per year and CANNOT be just "written-off" for a full refund! You get 4-to-7 years depending upon the TYPE of expense to write-off any capital or business expense! The amount of IRS/CRA taxation illiteracy is SIMPLY ASTOUNDING online! You CANNOT just "Write-off" entire bills/expenses to the IRS/CRA! You get a certain PERCENTAGE AMOUNT of the entire set of bills/expenses sent off quarterly and even then you don't get it back in cash but rather gets applied as a Tax Credit used to offset OTHER expenses which reduces your overall business tax rate. You MAY get a refund at the end of the year if you qualify! Most of the time you get another lett/bill from the IRS/CRA at the end of the year saying you owe another $5,000 to $100,000 in total taxes --- with the letter specifically saying PAY UP OR ELSE! Your "Write-it-Off as an Expense" statement is an utter bilge factoid from some online horse-hockey-pucks-place that knows NOTHING about how businesses are actually run and taxed at the Municipal, State/Provincial and Federal levels for the IRS and CRA! That said, I am pretty sure Roman has a Visa Business Infinite Card from Chase Bank with a $250,000 Credit Limit so if necessary, he can put this vehicle purchase entirely on the Credit Card and collect the Air Miles points for a "free" Winter Vacation to sunny Greece! V

@ilovepinktacos

3 ай бұрын

It’s the American way

This might be the first TFL video ever made where Tommy didn't make fun of plastic in an interior. Apparently in a $50k truck it's cheap and in a $80k off-road vehicle it's utilitarian.

@user-gf1yg6nj1v

3 ай бұрын

$80k?.. think again..

@27Zangle

3 ай бұрын

Makes sense. . .

@db9071

3 ай бұрын

Tommy is worthless. Wouldn’t have a job if daddy didn’t give him a job. His fiancé is constantly cheating on him lol

The best thing about these videos is the dad son's relationship, and the son repeatedly addressing his father as dad. And the father giving his son respect for being more knowledgeable.

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the thoughtful comment

@robervin9107

3 ай бұрын

@@TFLoffroad. I fully agree. Very heartwarming

@Juan_SZ

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I which I had a dad like him.

Losing money selling Range Rover. How shocking!

@theseb1979

3 ай бұрын

What’s also shocking is that it’s normal to lose money selling any car. They depreciate. Thank goodness it looks like the stupidity in the second hand market is coming to an end.

@telfordbyers9763

3 ай бұрын

Tax write off..

@anthonykiedis1765

3 ай бұрын

​@@theseb1979 yeah but a range rover depreciates way more than most other vehicles.

@adamsdailydriveway

3 ай бұрын

Anything new drops value, most cars hold decent value second hand, for them to only lose 3k to own and drive a rover for 5 months is amazing. Or you can buy a 2k Camry with 200k miles, drive it for a year, and sell it for 2k. So you won’t lose money, but you’re in an old ass Camry.

@RatishRam

3 ай бұрын

@@adamsdailydriveway3k a month of ownership, thats 12k total!!

He said he would prove the internet was wrong about Range Rover and 4-5 months losing money by owning it 😂😂 and trying to come up with all excuses. 😂

@petelattimer6808

3 ай бұрын

but it was fault free as far as i remember.

@xxtm72xx63

3 ай бұрын

​​@@petelattimer680812k in 5 months is still pretty damn bad, I also doubt they drove* it regularly.

@michaelmartin2276

3 ай бұрын

Indeed so.

That Jag wagon!!!!!!!!!! So perfect . Wagons are so unappreciated.

@LivingRetirement

3 ай бұрын

Agreed! I bought one of the last VW Golf Alltracks when they were still offered. Wagons are just so practical, and can be fun as well!!!

@andrewhurstcars

3 ай бұрын

The late Queen had one of those Jag wagons, in green

@mediocreman2

3 ай бұрын

Maybe years ago, but now they are very appreciated.

@carlmcdonald5864

3 ай бұрын

I love my 2010 CTS-V wagon manual I will never get rid of it

So the second hand market is correcting itself. Very good.

Tommy actually answered the question we were all wondering about. Is the B58 reliable. BMW had some good engines, and a lot of bad ones, but he had the forethought to talk to Toyota and get their take on it. Bravo Sir. Details matter, and that’s why I love this channel.

@cliffmorgan31

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but the “bad’ BMW engines were mostly V8s…. Their 6s have been mostly reliable, strong, and spin to high mileage…. when taken care of…

@admranger

3 ай бұрын

@@cliffmorgan31 S54 rod bearings have entered the chat. Yeah, mostly reliable is a good description though. Smooth as silk and there's a B58 in my garage right now. It is a marvelous engine (so far).

I can well believe that an SUV suffered depreciation. I can also believe than an unreliable SUV such as a Range Rover suffered lots of depreciation. I look forward to your videos expressing surprise at the wetness of water and how blue the sky is.

@jagpilotohio

3 ай бұрын

Everything is dropping like a rock currently so it’s not a surprise. Dealers are finally discounting new cars to get rid of them after they made a mint selling over sticker for nearly 3 years.

@lutomson3496

3 ай бұрын

What is a bit odd though at least here in California the Used SUVs Toyota for example are holding their value..and in some cases the new ones are not that much more expensive to buy and with incentives like 0% financing buying new can be a better deal.

@Christoph-sd3zi

3 ай бұрын

I'm looking for a 2-3yo Defender and in the last few months there's an absolute glut of Defenders on lots and the prices are dropping, too

Hope it handles an 1" of snow better than a Tacoma 😂

@mlenart000

3 ай бұрын

Haha one of the most disappointing things I’ve seen recently. Hopefully that gets figured out before they start delivering the 4Runner

@guyjordan8201

3 ай бұрын

Ha ha too soon! 😅

@alanmay7929

3 ай бұрын

Lame joke

@macbook802

3 ай бұрын

The Tacoma did alright. The transfer case, not so much. Guaranteed the schills will come back and take blame for a few g's taken from the mean

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

The Tacoma did all right the transfer case not so much? Are you sure you want to go with this defense? I thought the transfer case was part of the Tacoma. 😃 My fault I guess. I didn’t watch the video where they went out and purchased the transfer case and put it on the Tacoma. 😃

The Grenadier videos are going to be super fun. 💯

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

They are!

I can't afford one, but I think these are so cool. I guarantee that the person in the yellow Hummer H2 at the very last few seconds of the video, was eyeballing the hell out of the Grenadier.

To be fair, that is a handsome RR in the white. And although you lost a fair wedge, a typical buyer would keep it for 2 to 3 years? Anyway, I reckon it's still a good deal for the luxury and off-roadability.

@williamegler8771

3 ай бұрын

Range Rovers are only a good deal if they are leased and under the manufacturer's warranty. Out of warranty and Off Lease they are a starter kit for bankruptcy because their value plunges and their endless repairs are expensive

I own a Defender and love it. I noticed not much leg room in the back seats and the BMW stick shift sticks out like a sore thumb. Have owned the Defender about a 2 years now and not a single problem so far. Definitely has the off-road look, like to hear your review on long distance travel.

Very interested in this series. Happy you got one.

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

I had a reservation on a Grenadier in almost your exact spec. The test drive was unbelievable. I just didn't have the courage for that cost. The sunroofs and ladder are a must-have for that cost.

@insiainutorrt259

3 ай бұрын

Never understood sunroofs what do you want them for?

@artie4017

3 ай бұрын

@@insiainutorrt259 Light.

@anthonyc1883

3 ай бұрын

@@insiainutorrt259 Because on a beautiful day, you open the sunroof and get breeze in your hair, warm sun on your forehead, turn up the music, press on the gas pedal just a little harder and enjoy a wonderful drive.

@insiainutorrt259

3 ай бұрын

@@anthonyc1883 i got feet, bicycle and motorcycle for that makes no sense for me to put holes in a car to get much less... in my opinion

@anthonyc1883

3 ай бұрын

@@insiainutorrt259 Well, good for you then!

35" tires should definitely be an option...

Man, 280 hp with this kind of big truck, you will feel its short of everything at any point of time.

Same story with the family who started Range Rover, they loved their post war CJ so much, they were inspired to create their own.

@upscaleshack

2 ай бұрын

That's just not accurate at all. Maurice Wilks had a war-surplus Willys MB and built an aluminum body on a Jeep chassis using scrap airplane aluminum to create the first Land Rover in 1947. The Range Rover model of Land Rover wasn't built until 1970.

Roman, great job spec’ing the truck! All the goodies, no frills! Good luck with her and I’m so happy it exists and we’re able to purchase it on this side of the pond. I’m not on the market for it yet…..yet. Excellent, and I look forward to your experience!

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

You and me both!

Excited to see your upcoming videos on the Grenadier! You guys always put together the best videos in terms of production and information, and you really go out there and put your own necks on the line from the day you buy the vehicles to the day you sell them with everything in between. Curious to see how this does against a built up 4Runner (particularly the red one we’ve seen on here many times). Much love and support from Texas ✌️

Love the Grenadier and I can't wait to see all the usual content with it.

Can’t wait to see this off-roading

That is specified perfectly!!! Good job, Roman.

love the panels and buttons on that thing. Looks very "aircraft" like. So cool

WOW, I'm glad you got this. I can't wait to see it in all the testing.

The two of you were super excited picking up the new Grenadier. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.

Cool looking rig. Love the color. Have fun and keep us posted.

I'm so glad you're doing this. Looking forward to your long term review.

Congratulations on your purchase of a new Ineos Grenadier! Hopefully it will serve you well and be reliable. Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Hawaii.

Looking forward to this series

Guys, that light blue is absolutely the best color. Looks fantastic!

Its funny that they all have roof grab bars and a few have ladders but none have roof racks. 16:05

@myrrhavm

3 ай бұрын

Stop commenting on the stupidity of these vehicles, those that build them as well as buy them without noticing those things.

@peopleschamp7258

3 ай бұрын

The reason is the roof grab handles can handle 350 dynamic load and 900 static load. Was designed so you don't need a rack.

@peopleschamp7258

3 ай бұрын

​@@myrrhavmor ppl who are buying them are aware that you don't need a rack.

@myrrhavm

3 ай бұрын

@@peopleschamp7258 You’re speaking of grab handles. Not the roof. You’d think these guys would mention the “roof” is capable of holding 900 pounds of which I highly doubt.

@peopleschamp7258

3 ай бұрын

@myrrhavm they were designed to be used as lashing holds for roof. My bad when I was doing kg conversion. It's 750pounds static weight.

You guys understand car enthusiasts. Kudos on this purchase, looking forward to long term testing.

This is going to be a fun series!

Very excited to see the Grenadier in your fleet. Sad to see the Range Rover go, though; was looking forward to watching more off-road videos on that.

Loving the Ineos content !

Congrats. This is one vehicle that I really long for as there isn't anything else like it. Looking forward to your future videos with it.

I just saw my very first Ineos passing the MOAB area in Utah those things are beasts

I love you did the door slam test, that was a great thump. I do the same thing. I found that the Ford bronco and Bronco sport doors to be terrible.

I saw a video that explains car values in the uk and apparently the best time to buy a vehicle is 3-4 years old as the depreciation hits hardest in the first 3 years

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

This LR was way older than 3 years. They lost money mainly because of the peculiarities of the post pandemic market place. Used car values were in the sky and now coming down substantially.

Back seat. You eye level is way above the top of the door which means you have to bend down to see much out to the side and to get out unless you slide out ass first.

@paulhunter9613

3 ай бұрын

And he says it’s a large vehicle but yet his knees are touching the front seat back, and is sitting nearly vertical, did not look comfortable at all

Would have never guessed how good that color is, nicely done!

Perfect spec. Love the Carolina Blue

A buddy of mine got one 2 months ago and loves it. He got the same color w color match roof.

Well it looks better than the cyber truck

@damilolaakanni

3 ай бұрын

Anything looks better than the Cybertruck at this point 😁😄😆😅.

Looks awesome 👍🏼

I was sure Roman was going to put that RR into his personal stable. Such a nice vehicle and didn't give them any trouble. And that Jag wagon is super sweet. I hope it finds its way to the show.

Hey Guys, I have been watching you since day one, this is your greatest purchase ever! I live 22 miles north of New York City and the closest ineos dealer is in PA. Would just love to see one in person, I’m sure a nj/ ny dealer will pop up soon enough. Best of luck with it, I hope you keep this forever! Evan from Rockland County , NY!

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@paulhunter9613

3 ай бұрын

I would like to see one of these vehicles in 4-5 yrs of driving in the salt encrusted areas of New York

Should have got one of the dark blue ones

Manual seats, manual buttons, and an actual key to start it are positive selling points in my opinion. Less to go wrong. The BMW shifter though seems so out of place that it's jarring. They need something else that suits the vehicle better.

@jcollins1305

3 ай бұрын

Agree 100%

@danielrn133

3 ай бұрын

The issue is resale. Without options that are becoming more and more essentially standard the value drops. Many people "have" to have heated seats etc. It is like a manual car. Anyone can drive an automatic. The amount of people who can even drive a manual drops massively. So trying to find a buyer becomes more challenging. I agree less stuff to break is a good thing.

@nunyabidness3075

3 ай бұрын

@@danielrn133Yeah, the dealerships love to tell you that BS about manuals…until you want to buy a used manual! Then, they are rare, hard to find, if you find one you better buy it fast, etc. etc. We sold our A5 back in the pandemic when they wanted everything, and they were actually happy to buy it. I’m looking for a basic car to leave at a vacation home right now, and can’t find a manual.

@pabo8080

3 ай бұрын

I get what your saying, but, In my opinion, the people that are shopping for the Grenadier will probably not be the same people shopping for a BMW or Mercedes Luxury barge SUV. I have a feeling alot of the shoppers for this vehicle are old Land Rover and Jeep fans that are used to the basic agricultural character that those old vehicles had, and they will be buying the Grenadier for the rugged styling and offroad chops over luxury amenities. I think that's part of the uniqueness of the Grenadier and is what will make it sell well. People that want the ultra luxury everything have a plethora of vehicles to choose from on the market. People searching for rugged and more basic and serious off roaders have less options. So I don't think the manual seats will deter buyers because the Grenadier is a more specific type of vehicle than say, a mass market Ford or Nissan. In fact I think a lot of buyers will have the same opinion and see it as less is more type of thing.@@danielrn133

@mediocreman2

3 ай бұрын

The shifter doesn't bother me at all. I'd rather have something that comes as a kit and keeps the price down. If they had done their own shifter, that could be another $1k per car for all we know.

yes, please keep this thing for a while; we need to know where the quality really is on the powertrain....if theres a real competitor to jeep that would be good to know.....thanks guys!

@qx4n9e1xp

3 ай бұрын

The bronco & 4 runner is still the real competitor to the wrangler. The Ineos Grenadier is more like the Super Duty of mid-size off-roaders (they actually share a couple of parts suppliers) so it probably competes more with a Land Cruiser or G Wagon, although not really, because the Grenadier is not luxury-oriented in the least, it's straight Utilitarian.

I think it would be a lot of fun to own one of these but I am going to revist in a few years after we how well they hold up and if they do a little refreshing with the handling. I love the looks inside and out so no worries about a refresh there.

I got to drive one recently and loved it. The power was fine. The ride was comfortable. The seats were also comfortable with a great driving position and forward field of view. Yes, the steering is slow but not terrible. What I thought was funny is that the city and highway gas mileage are the same at 14mpg for the Trialmaster. I kinda want one.

Im glad to see you are giving it try. Looks cool but I wouldnt touch it. Too many unknowns. It may be petty but I hate the speedo off to the side..

@jeepanon

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately all these new cool overlanding/off road ready SUV's are priced out of range of most Americans. It's so sad, I love these new trucks and would love to have any of them, but I almost don't even watch these videos because I'll never have any of these new fancy rigs 😢

03:00 I was waiting for 'The story is you were created in the back seat of one'

Tommy, Own a British Racing Green 2004 Xtype with 45,000 miles, larger V6, Nav screen, 10 disc cd in trunk, in beautiful condition. Truly, a wonderful vehicle.✔

I almost bought a Grenadier (had a reservation, deposit, & everything) but I decided to buy a house instead 😂 It's definitely a great truck. Enjoyed driving one at the Fox Valley offroad course & speaking with the engineers. Thing is definitely overbuilt, but at the same time, I've seen some teething issues on fb groups related to fit & finish. No doubt a huge accomplishment for a brand new manufacturer making their first vehicle, similar to Rivian. They definitely cared about making something great.

Looks superb. Seen a lot of these on the road in Dubai recently. Hoping to find someone I know who has one so that I can ‘have a go’ soon!

Priceless spending time together.

Is the back seat scratched (7:00)? I know it's an offroader but it's still brand new...

Appears to be a real overlander. Also appears to be best in that price class. Can't wait to see your results and in class comparisons. 🤔🚙

Looks really neat, capable, roomy, and not overdone. I look forward to a good shake down. For all the newer technowizardry in vehicles, I want to know what to do when it fails to crank and when cranks but fails to start out in the field. If I can’t self rescue then I don’t want it.

Excited for the Grenadier series videos! One of my dream vehicles, maybe I’ll find a used one in a few years? Tough to beat the 4Runner though…

Man I kinda like that range rover especially for that price.

@Christoph-sd3zi

3 ай бұрын

Especially when stuff like Kia Tellurides are $55K

WOW, When you first pulled up I was thinking in the $150,000. Range. Excellent deal @80k!

@omardevonlittle3817

3 ай бұрын

It doesnt even have heated seats

@is6566

3 ай бұрын

It has front and rear lockers and that’s what counts.

$80k and you get a hood prop lol

@tedbell4416

3 ай бұрын

Nothing but quality

@Christoph-sd3zi

3 ай бұрын

The nickel-and-dime stuff kills me.

@gunnaro3116

3 ай бұрын

The prop rod will never wear out. You want to replace hood struts every few years? I don't…

@nycmaverick

3 ай бұрын

@@gunnaro3116 why don’t they give you a cut off broom stick. That’ll never wear out too

@paulhunter9613

3 ай бұрын

@@gunnaro3116 I have never had to replace a hood strut

I really like the Ineos, nice buy.

Thats the coolest looking offroader ..looks way tougher then a soft mall crawler bronco and jeep wrangler 😂

Great looking vehicle; it looks its purpose. Fingers crossed it doesn't leak oil too soon like other BMWs (both third hand reports and my own experience).

No way! I’ve loved seeing the Range Rover on the channel!!!

Interesting vehicle. Though I like the darker blue color better, but my interest is peaked.

At 7:01 into the video it looks like the rear of the smaller rear seat is scuffed near the top fold before you take it out of the dealership?

Hey Jeep- that new grand wagoneer is a miss when you look at how satisfying this is as it relates to its original inspiration points…. Bravo I love it!!!

Congratulations 👍 Love the color, just like a Land Rover Defender look a like 👏

The bmw style shifter is horrible reminds me of a parts bin car…….but other than that it’s cool, like the darker blue myself, hope it is good!

Yes, the speed display slightly to the right really makes one really miss looking over, around, or through the steering wheel for that information. 😢😢

I live in the Dallas area, and I've seen a bunch of these around

How long does the battery last on the compass? 🤔

That blue defender

I knew you guys would get one after Tommy liked it so much at GoodWood last year 👍😉💪

It looks great and well built!

Super cool!

Wow what a story!!! 🤩

I absolutely LOVE these Ineos Grenadiers! I can't afford one but I love them, nonetheless. Maybe I'll look for a used one in a few years and see what they cost then.

Wow those look really cool! I love the utilitarian design, makes me want to really off-road the shit out of it

It’s basically a defender in terms of design. The door does not sound like the one in the G, by a wide margin.

The best think about the BMW engine is since they detuned it, you can run a stock flash on it and get much greater power delivery.

The psych up on the x type was sweet.

I love the Shale Blue color! I would love to own one of these!

I’m bummed the RR is gone. I was hoping for more episodes with it. The grenadier is cool but a comparison on the trail would have been fantastic. Should have sold some other vehicle.

Definitely an interesting vehicle.

That Range Rover in Ireland would retail in a diesel version for around €60,000. Car value are finally levelling out over there but not here yet.

Love the shoutout to Harry’s Garage!!

@TFLoffroad

3 ай бұрын

The best!

Though as happy as I am to see you guys do this series with this vehicle I am kind of sad that Roman had to get rid of his range Rover for it I kind of hope that was something he could have kept like and definitely for himself after they are done with the series and just used other cars you know for their other series to trade in for stuff and he could have kept that one permanently cuz he seemed to have loved it so much but I understand where he's coming from He's running a business and has to do what he has to do

@campingeast

3 ай бұрын

When you have so many cars you need to drive like these guys, I would imagine it is difficult to justifying a personal car just because you like it.

Random question, do you guys finance or pay cash for your vehicles?

That's cool that you can build a "trial master" without the widdle wadder and other stuff you don't necessarily want, Roman did a nice job speccing it. Too bad Jeep doesn't let you do that.

🥰😍 VERY COOL! get mine in range rover green.