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@lpanebr

10 ай бұрын

Already did! Actually Ib came back to ask what was the fix you did for the rolls using a macro that someone suggested in discord? I can't find it..

@BenVallack

10 ай бұрын

@@lpanebr good question. It’s essentially just putting a &sl toggle inside a macro for your layer switching. You can see it in use for my 18 key layouts here on the second layer and second caps layer switches github.com/benvallack/zmk-config-piano/blob/main/config/boards/shields/piano/piano.keymap

@lpanebr

10 ай бұрын

@@BenVallack thank you so much for the quick reply! I'll give it a try!

It feels very gratifying to have such high quality content laser targeted at you for what feels like such a niche interest. Great stuff Ben

@Winter0192

Жыл бұрын

@DevMug should look into steno for optimal minimization

@sgbbco3981

Жыл бұрын

@DevMug Did you end up doing the 34 key build? How has it been?

2022: Ben Vallack: "my superior 1-key configuration!"

@okoproroka1561

2 жыл бұрын

And 128 layouts XD

@ano_nym

2 жыл бұрын

There just was a16 key keyboard uploaded, so you are closing in XD

@KimonFrousios

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, you re-invented Morse-code...

Looks like you’re on your way to 6 keys and added feet tapping for layer switching. Keep them coming

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@strictnonconformist7369

2 жыл бұрын

At that point he’ll compose a march while doing a march, and that’ll be quite a feet!

@laurilehtiaho9618

2 жыл бұрын

Ultimate goal - 1 key and morse code

@xf0f0f0

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know why you need 6 keys if you have 10 fingers (you have, aren't you?). And there are 10-button keyboards. Take a look at Ginny.

@your_sweetpea

Жыл бұрын

I'm told it's actually quite hard to sync your foot taps with your key taps (with your fingers). As humans we're quite good at syncing up our finger movements, but our feet aren't included in those neural pathways.

I’d love to see you something along the lines of a typing test on this, especially where we can see how fast you are using this method. That’s my biggest concern about switching to a smaller key layout, is losing my speed of typing.

I love videos like these, it gives me a lot of ideas on how to set up my own layout on my moonlander.

absolutely love your videos exploring ergonomic keyboards; it’s always interesting seeing how other people approach layouts, layers, and keyboards and I think i’ll be implementing some of these ideas in my own qmk config.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much.

@DanielASchaeffer

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 2nd Josh's comment. You're blazing a path for me that I've been reticent to take.

@DanielASchaeffer

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Would you be willing to share your ZMK file?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanielASchaeffer Link’s in the description :)

I love seeing people actually sharing in depth details about how they're implementing their builds, not just "how to." Some great ideas in this, even if I don't go down to 34 keys myself.

The Atreus was my first introduction to reduced-key split keyboards, and it blew my mind how much you can do with so few keys. Recently I've wanted to build an even more ergonomic keyboard, and your videos are full of amazing insights that I've been looking for, very inspirational. Keep up the awesome work :D

@colbyboucher6391

Жыл бұрын

Got a prebuilt Atreus, love the thing to death. Honestly don't think I want to bother with something smaller.

I've finished my 36 keys and started with home row mods. My switches are kailh black so I'm experiencing fatigue and roll mistriggering modded keys just as you've described. I'm now waiting for blue switches and will experiment with switchable lawyers. Your journey and videos have been a great companion! At first I didn't understand all but as I experimented and came back to them more and more made sense. I'm very grateful to you. Thank you. PS: I'd love a vim video with your current keyboard!

I'm a miryoku / colemak addict but this looks pretty rad. Manna Harbour has an old branch where it only activates home row mods when you hit a key on the opposite side so rolling is no longer a problem. Very cool.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I recall reading about the opposite hand thing, it’s a feature that should be merged I think! Thanks for reminding me.

@mvargasmoran

2 жыл бұрын

I love using my Corne, not miryoku, but I stole a bunch of ideas from that layout.

@MichaelAye

3 ай бұрын

Is there any update on this idea? Sounds like a working one!

@bogorad

Ай бұрын

@@MichaelAye there is a brilliant user-space QMK add-on called Achordion. it completely solves the HRM problem.

Thank you for getting me into this rabbit hole :), finally finished my first build of ferris/sweep

I managed to actually build my Ferris Sweep and I love it. My productivity dropped massively for now, but I expected that and I'm still figuring out the right layout for me. Anyway, I'd be highly interested in your VIM setup/workflow. Thanks for the quality stuff you're doing! Cheers!

You continue to inspire me to try new things. My 36 key modded Planck keyboard is my pride and joy.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant keyboard!

This is nice! I recently bought the ZSA Moonlander and although it has taken a few days to get used to, I'm already loving it. This 34 key layout would make a nice super portable version of that.

I just got a Sweep, and I am loving it so far. This video has a ton of usefu info, thanks a ton!

@flip4119

2 жыл бұрын

Also holy shit I am surprised at your subscriber count. This is million view level quality man.

I'd like to hear more about the "IRST" layout you mentioned!

Great video! I arrived at very similar conclusions with my (36key) layout. I have Ctrl and Shift on dedicated thumb keys and Alt+GUI in other layers. (I use mostly windows and Linux) I don't like home row mods, because the letters on modded keys are send to OS on key up vs key down and my brain just didn't like the inconsistency in delay between regular and modded keys. And your previous video inspired me to organise layer switchich in a way that I can always come to baselayer regardles where I am.

This was quite elucidating. I'm quite focused on layouts that can do everything - general use, terminal, Vim, gaming, etc - across all three major desktop OSes, so the idea of using ultra-compact layouts like this always seems like a bridge too far. It was really interesting to see how you approached life with 34 keys. I love the design of the dual-thumb "there's no place like home" incantation - very intuitive and elegant. You also helped me realise there is value to having separate layers for "fire once" commands and repeated ones such as backspace.

This is an amazing video about layouts, have always wondered how to layer mine

I'm loving my ferris sweep, mod-tap, tri layer activation all help to give me every single key I'll ever need in such a tiny form factor, looking to make a wireless version soon with the leftover pcb's I have to make it super easy to travel with

Please note the Z on the little finger as shown on layer 1 should be backspace. Doh!

@sebastianrudnicki3949

2 жыл бұрын

Where can I get that cute jack 3.5 cable?

@alexdubois6585

2 жыл бұрын

Very interresting. Could you please explain how you select text (either per character or per word), I do not see a shift key on the arrow layer (I am coming from windows, where you do shift left to select text from your current position to the one on the left). Following that, I would do a Ctrl+X or C (for cut or copy), then some navigation, then Ctrl + V. It might be good to type some programing (we can slow down the video if we can't keep up) to demonstrate the layout in different scenarios. Very interresting video. Thanks for sharing.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexdubois6585 Yeah will cover all this in a vid for sure. Basically you trigger shift first, then jump into the system layer as a toggle with three finger combo on top row right hand. From there you can use alt (combo on left hand) or cmd (right thumb) to modify the arrows too. Copy and paste are both in the system layer too. Top row index for copy, hold it down to paste. cmd+tab can also be invoked in that layer and the arrow keys can then be used to switch apps. So a select from one app and paste into another is quite nicely supported actually.

@knightrider585

2 жыл бұрын

Took me ages to work out why there were 27 letter keys. :(

now imagine a key cap with the characters you are typing, with 2 color LED, the transparent character filter the color of each LED, when you switch layout it changes the color of the LED so you now have a dynamic keyboard with interchangeable character on.

@WeiFinder

Жыл бұрын

Whoa, great idea for the color switching Also, I've seen some tiny split keyboards like this but wireless. I haven't had a wire on a keyboard for 10 years and I'm not looking to go back to wires.

I just built the ferris sweep and I'm using your keymap to type this! Thanks!

Thinking to try this out on my Iris. Well done video. Liked those overlays. They explain the motions really well.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Stuck at home, whole family got COVID, so this vid really brightened my day, thx. ISRT is a nice choice. Intrigued to see your 24-key experiment next

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no, get well soon! You can see my progress on my ZMK config commit history actually, I have added some keys back now (26 total now) but will go into all that in the video.

@dflynn

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallackWe’re ok, esp. mild for kids. Thx for sharing your zmk history. Your idea of moving Z to comma is unassailable. Moving Y is trickier because of potential SFBs but I wish you every success - its left-pinky position in ISRT isn’t great; but I suppose it’s the same position as in MTGAP, which some have long enjoyed

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@dflynn Yeah moving Y has been surprisingly natural actually. E on the thumb is still a bit of an effort though!

@dflynn

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Cool. Thx again for sharing all your your keeb adventures

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Very welcome!

The video I've been waiting for 💙

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a shout out to you in my next vid too!

@KyekOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Another video to wait for then! 😄 Thank you!

Your videos are excellent. Thank you!

That is an interesting layer switching style. Line up the layers sequentially under the same key, with a different key serving as return-to base-from all of them. Number of taps is the layer you want to go to. No need for additional keys. I will give that idea a try.

Thank you! I didn’t think about that I config the keyboard like this. I will still use full TKL keyboard, but this open up more option to configure the layout for different purpose.

I can't believe it, but you've done it again, Ben; I am attempting to teach myself yet another keyboard layout. lol. I think that qwerty is probably still going to win out for me, but I am attempting IRST because it seemed like an interesting idea and, after a few preliminary lines of text, I think I could find myself looking forward to learning it, unlike ColemakDH.

I really appreciate your videos documenting your journey & your thought process on workflow optimization with keyboard interface / layouts. So far, I type on Dvorak and have used different versions of Microsoft's ergonomic keyboards. I'm wanting to take the next step - going for an Ergodox. What advice do you have for folks getting started following down the trail of learning layers / optimizing layouts & ergo's for simplification & minimizing finger travel?

I think the combination of not knowing where my keys are with VIM would be pandemonium. Do you not suffer a massive drop in productivity when you’re switching layouts all the time?

@TheCoolSquare

2 жыл бұрын

in my experience I tend to adjust to symbols/mod key changes more quickly than changes to the overall letter layout. I think that's because the symbols and other function keys are used more rarely and that allows you to place them in nice logical groups. But there is still a small adjustment period.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I have found that once I learn a new layout, if I leave most of my vim bindings on the same letters it’s actually pretty easy to just use the new location for them. I remap the hjkl positions so they’re in the same place obviously but the rest I just use them in the new position. Changing layouts is a big deal though and not something I want to do again. I used holidays to blitz learning them previously to avoid the productivity hit.

@michael-rommel

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Do I get that right, that now with this layout, you set up vim to use PNEA instead of HJKL instead? Thanks for the inspiration!!

Tap for shift is such a good idea Ben.

Love your videos as always. I would like to explore this layout on the moonlander, and I really appreciate that you recreated it in oryx, except it seems to be an inverted version? Is there a regular one?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that one is inverted, don’t think I did this the right way around actually. At this size I think it’s better inverted though. Just a pain to get your head around in Oryx!

My solution for home row mods is the combo home row mod. The idea is that you press the home row key on both hands simultaneously and then you release it on one hand, but still keep it depressed with the other hand. This means that there is no accidental rollover and no forced delay.

@BenVallack

Ай бұрын

This sounds very interesting!

discovered this channel from the barefoot shoes video, now seeing you are a pretty invested keyboard enthusiast! that's great as I was researching the low profile keys and custom builds on my own for a while now. currently using a regular 65% keyboard and not finding browser tab switching hotkeys hard to press, once I realized I can use ctrl+pgup/pgdown that is , very convenient with two hands

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Yes lots of keyboard content here and on my keeb specific channel!

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Check out this one kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqxkwZqDYLrIXdY.html

Noooooo! I just got to 25 wpm on Colemak DH on the moonlander… further down the rabbit hole I go ;) Hoping you create a video on ISRT in the future. So many people seem curious as to that layout. Thank you for all the fantastic content you provide Ben. My slowly dissipating RSI appreciates you.

Very interesting to see your approach. I use linux mostly, currently with xmonad or dwm as window manager so I need to consider accessing the keyboard commands. I also dual boot the computer into Windows for work, so I need to consider how to make a layout which also works with Windows. Many thanks for sharing!

Ya, designing layouts is a very interesting thing. Thanks for making this video. Your video is very imformative and useful. I've got my 1st crkbd (on last Sat), and it's my 1st 40%. Now I am designing the layouts (and learn). In this video you tell me the principle of designing a good layout. Very helpful. (I don't understand the content before I go my crkbd (a.k.a. the hardware), even using Anne Pro 2 and Gk64XS have a concept of layer. Having a crkbd on hand now and even I've just used it for 3 days, I am able to understand the contents of the video , lol.)

Great video! Love seeing people's different approaches to small layouts, I'm very curious to see what this 24 layout looks like. I would recommend taking a look at caps word (basically a self cancelling caps lock) if you're not already aware of it, but it sounds like you're moving to ZMK and their PR for that seems to be on the back burner for now. Either way I think it would work well with your reduced holding philosophy.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I like the sound of that!

Thanks. I finally figured out what a "Via" is, thanks to your description.

I’m just waiting on a PCB to build my own Ferris Sweep right now! Very cool layout

@purplelord8531

2 жыл бұрын

are you? I wouldn't know

haha so cool the layout on top!!

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Thought it might help visualise it all.

Hello Ben! Really enjoying the ISRT learning process and progress. Thank you for helping with my keyboard journey. I'm curious about how you handle vim commands with numbers in front of them. Do you hit one layer switch to symbols, another layer switch to numbers, hit the numbers, switch back to base layer and type the command? Example: 23J (go down 23 lines).

Learning new keyboard layouts is always hard and i wish there was a solution that makes it easier. I thought about it for a while and when i saw this video, your editing, to explane the layers you used, was the solution i was looking for. Do you know of a way to overlay your keyboard layers life in mac or even vim?

Glad to see you enjoying the Ferris Sweep (and that I may have been the one who alerted you to it). I love the simplicity and accessibility of the build etc.. Your thoughts and principles of layout design seem very logical and inspiring. Personally I'm still held back by the lack of TrackPoint. I feel crippled without one, having to leave the keyboard for mouse activity. Perhaps one day I'll integrate one into a Ferris. Though I wonder if I could be comfortable with a Ploopy Nano trackball.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah moving the hand away for mouse/ball/trackpad is a real hassle, would love to get a mini trackball in there.

My 34-36 keys layout is a modified version of miryoku layout which I moved mod-tap keys to 3rd row, and used 2 keys combo on top and home row for Esc, BS, Tab (left hand) and some common symbols (right hand) like quote, dquote, question mark... Mod keys appeared in all of my layer for 2 hands and at the same position. Left thumb 1 is Space + Number combined with Nav in the same Layer, left thumb 2 is Esc + Media Layer. Right thumb 1 is BS + Symbols layer, Right thumb 2 is Enter + FN layers. It may be slower for hold switch compare to tab switch layer, but I feel it is more natural to memorize the functions of all layers.

Great video & production quality, something I think would help at around 7:40 would be highlighting each set of keys as you talk about them to make it easier to follow

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Good point, will do that in the future!

Awesome. Everything you do is completely different from my setup and will be a reference if I ever decide to dive beneath the 42 keys line. Chiefly tap/holds. I should start using these on every special character. I suppose I'll still mostly use combos, which IMO is the most effective way to "thicken" a small layout without sacrificing usability. Note to the wise: homerow mods are a pain, but homerow combo mods (like D+F for alt, S+D for ctrl,...) work pretty well and I've never had a misfire, even when monkeytyping. PS : also congrats on the production quality. Everything from the graphics to the narration pace and the general organisation feels smooth and well put together, overall very pleasant.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Agree combos are awesome, started using them on my smaller layout, I sort of got to the 34 point based on my Oryx layouts which is why combos are absent. But now I getting happy with ZMK I am seeing the power of combos for sure. Tap holds plus combos are quite the powerhouse.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for comments on production, much appreciated.

A video on how you use Keyboard Maestro would be really interesting.

Salute to another vim user! I've been using the Planck for the last year, largely after discovering it through your videos. I'd love to try a minimal split board, but I wish they could make them totally wireless.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

The dream is real. I’m currently using something a bit special. Super affordable, super tiny, split, totally wireless. Stay tuned. Will be a few videos away.

@nodidog

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Well, this sounds interesting to me!

Have you considered that instead of double tapping on the enter key that you use the ctrl + M key for enter? I have been wanting to change my backspace and enter key to ctrl + H and ctrl + M. I look forward to the time I get a minimalist keyboard :D

I'd love to see the vim specific video! Particularly I'd love to see how you handle keys that have a specific spatial relationship in qwerty. For instance, should I remap movement in vim to be whatever the right hand homerow keys are in my layout to maintain that muscle memory, or use hjkl no matter where they are?

@420

Жыл бұрын

He's still probably practicing, or threw this thing away for being impractical for daily use.

@murtaza6464

Жыл бұрын

I have never used a non qwerty layout, but would definitely want to accompany such a drastic change with spatially remapped hjkl (to whatever the keys on my home row right hand are)

@wormholecowboy

8 ай бұрын

Do you understand how he is using the space bar for both the leader key in vim but also the meh key?

@IWorkInPixels

8 ай бұрын

@@wormholecowboy my leader key in vim is the spacebar, so he probably has it set the same.

Lovely quality

This is very well done, I do have a ergo dash and I love split keyboards. I'd like to ask a question. Would you know a way to make the layout JIS and not ANSI like it usually is? I work in Japan, and that would help me to use my keyboard at the office, without having reboot windows when I change layout.

Thanks, learned a lot in this video and the quality of your production is great! I was thinking to ask about the typing experience and a comparison of GergoPlex vs Sweep, but after reading the comments I think I'll wait for the next video! :)

This is so cool! Thanks for sharing! I was wondering where you ordered you ferris keyboard from? I bought a couple of nice!nanos recently and have been thinking about switching to a minimal layout for a long time!

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I tweaked the Kicad files from here then uploaded a new Gerber file to pcbway.com for them to send me the PCBs. github.com/davidphilipbarr/Sweep/tree/main/Sweep%20Compact More details on the build process in my next video.

@vimalmollyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Can't wait!

@idankk

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack what's the difference between the compact and the v2?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@idankk It has the puck support and power switches but I think is pretty similar.

@xerasolutions

2 жыл бұрын

Hyped to hear about your build process!

Great video! Would love to see a video on why you prefer ISRT over Colemak and other layouts. Have you considered combos in place of home row mods? I moved to them and am liking it a lot more, less misfires. And no bluetooth on this one?

@jeelliovuscow5522

2 жыл бұрын

What sort of combos are you using?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah combos can definitely be a good option. I’m actually using them in my 24 layout for shift but still have home row mods as well.

Makes me want to get a ferris wheel keyboard and learn this myself!

Your best video yet Ben. My head is still spinning. When you talk about the double tap on the thumb keys to return you to layer 1, can you explain a bit more about how you have done that. How are those keys set up in QMK?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

So all I mean there is that if I hit the right thumb key followed by the left one, it just so happens that in any layer that will always get you back to layer 1. It’s more a result of the layer design than anything fancy going on.

@DanielASchaeffer

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Do you find yourself using that combination all of the time rather than wondering which layer you're in?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanielASchaeffer Yeah some of the time for sure, that’s what it’s there for I guess but it does highlight how it isn’t easy to stay aware of which layer you are in all of the time.

Shame the LED doesn’t change color to show the layer. I’m currently working on a 34 key version of my 30 key unsplit Hummingbird keyboard, and will definitely try out your layout when it arrives.

this is a fascinating conversation. i would like to see a typing demonstration

@BenVallack

9 ай бұрын

Plenty of that on the channel - check out my shorts.

I found this channel because I wasn't logged into KZread on someone elses computer and saw a barefoot shoe video. Now KZread is recommending lots of Ben Vallack videos. 😆

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Amazing!!

Thank you for the details! My question is this: are all the double taps for enter, arrow keys, etc. less or more ergonomic than just moving your hand over a few inches? Certainly the layers would be faster, but do the extra key presses wear on you? (Trying to decide on a 34-40ish key layout vs. a full size or tenkeyless)

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Additional key presses don’t seem as much of an issue to me as moving my fingers all over the place. Both in terms of speed an comfort. I’m pretty happy with the small board idea. In fact I am currently way on something even smaller. Stay tuned!

hey ben! thanks for these videos - I’ve been a 60% user for years now but you’ve convinced me to take the plunge and design my own 34-ish key board. how are you putting the really smooth key layout overlays on your videos?

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Awesome cheers. I used Apple Motion to add motion blur to the movement of the graphics. 180º shutter angle to match video frame rate.

I'm just starting with my 42 keys split keyboard for Vim. So that were very useful and sensible advices. Thank you! For now I'll try to stick only to 2 layers and 2nd layer will be activated on hold. Yeah, it'll require some combinations, but I try to arrange it the way that fingers return back home without looking at the keyboard. The thing that really scares me is the amount of time I have to spend working/training/learning with a new keyboard to start typing at least at previous speed. What if I don't like the layout ?

Tnks for inclouding the layout file, one question would you be able to show a visualization of the layouts? like an image something to help me visualizing how using these layout config would feel like?

You are a mad scientist.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

haha

Nice. Have you seen SteveP's Seniply setup? It's a 6-layer concept for reduced keyboards.

OOH the new layout! Good luck on getting used to it!

Nice video Ben, thanks for the inspiration (I’m going to fiddle with this to improve my own keymap). ISRT is new for me, why are there two Z keys? It doesn't seem to come standard with ISRT, is it a tweak you made?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

There shouldnt be, is that in my onscreen graphics?

@ReinierLadan

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Yes, but now I’ve looked into your keymap I think it’s a visual error in the video. The second Z should’ve been the backspace on the base layer.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes well spotted! Correct, the one on the right should be backspace.

@ReinierLadan

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack is there any shift key on your nav/mouse layer? Can't find one.

wow❤❤ In spite of your help, my wrist would be alive!

For me, 35 keys would be ideal. I am very happy with how I have optimized my Ferris 2 Bling. To explain it simply, the thumb keys from left to right are switch layer, ctrl/enter, shift/space, and alt/bkspc. The latter becomes delete on the second layer, which i would like available on both, hence my desire for a 35 key keyboard. On my 2nd layer, the top row is numbers, but for ergonomics, it goes 8901234567. Works quite well once you're used to it. the other keys on the left hand are arrows and below them home, pg up/dn, end. I have the mouse stuff set up on the right hand, directional on the home row then lower index, middle & ring are the mouse buttons. To drag a window you have to cheat with the thumb on the lower right index key. There are more nuances but that's the basics from half a year of trial and error. Quite happy with it. Having shift/space as one key takes a bit of getting used to, but once you have it's fine.

I use a Ferris Sweep, can I ask if you've tried vertical combos (not chords)? For example, I mapped escape to KG and colon to ZP (on your keyboard) amongst other symbols. Since my switches feel light to me (25gf) I can press the middle of the two Choc keys using only one finger. I like it because it adds more keys to the top layer. Thoughts?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I did try that actually, I may need them if I run out of side by side combos. I kind of felt they were a bit fiddly to find a new ‘target’ in between targets but maybe I didn’t stick with it long enough.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

By the way check out the later commits in the ZMK config repo in the description to see the combos I’m using on my current layout (not the one in the video).

Nice. I’m still using a 32 key layout on the planck as a daily driver, so just one key per thumb. Definitely not missing a full size keyboard. In fact, I 3d printed a “shelf” that sits on top of the laptop built-in keyboard so I can set the planck on top of it when on the go. Looking forward to how a 24 key layout will work for you. I use emacs native bindings, so it might be harder for me. I might have to switch to Emacs evil mode at some point.

@meeself

2 жыл бұрын

With a 32 key layout, what sort of layer switch chords to you have to do for the more difficult Shift-Alt-Ctrl kind of bindings in emacs?

@bluefaolan

2 жыл бұрын

At thirty-two keys… wouldn’t a dilly or a gherkin make more sense for you than the planck?

@mbarton98

2 жыл бұрын

@@meeself My modifiers are on the home row and duplicated for each hand. So I hold the three fingers down to access those modifiers with either hand. If I hold down all four then I get the Hyper key that I use for many of my Keyboard Maestro macros on the mac.

@mbarton98

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluefaolan probably so. It was a big step for me to go from a full size keyboard to the planck at the beginning of Ben's video series. It was also the most I ever spent on a keyboard, so I tried just removing some keycaps from the planck and use the wide layout where the two middle columns are not used. I'm considering getting another keyboard so I will check those suggestions out.

Question. Would the addition of OLED screens to this board assist in some basic stuff such as displaying layers? I haven't build any custom keyboard yet (literally have my 3D printed case ready to go and parts for two full keyboards I'm just lazy) but was wondering your thoughts on adding screens to this minimalistic keyboard.

@eternalskywalker9440

2 жыл бұрын

Adding an oled screen would be cool. I don't know if it works with the stock QMK.

Hi Ben! I'm starting learn ISRT and wondering about your VIM strategy. Did you remap your most common vim commands by location or did you keep them with the same letters and defaults. For example, find next char 'f + letter'. Did you change it to 't + letter', or kept it as is and changed how you type it on the isrt layout?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

My strategy is swap hjkl to the new places, then just learn the new places for the rest. Most of the letters are logically chosen (f for example) so I found I was remembering them by name more than location anyway which made them quite easy to use in their new place.

Excellent video! You've (almost) convinced me that this is something just for me. I love your idea of layer switching (including the fall-back double-stroke). One thing I'd like to hear is why you've went for ISRT instead of Colemak DH. I've tried Colemak (briefly) and like the IE and ST progression. After watching a couple of your videos I'm sure there is a solid explanation - and I'd love to hear it. I'm also not getting how modifiers works (command/option) - is it long-press? The other thing that scares me a bit is how I'll get my local language diacritics like ąłżźć etc?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I tried ISRT and immediately it made even more sense to me than Colemak DH so I stuck with it. I think you will know within half an hour of testing it if you want to stick with it. Yeah home row mods are a long hold (200 ms) to get them to behave like mods.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Odd characters from other languages does seem to be a common issue with small layouts. I think it’s a case of just using another layer.

@unnainconnu9098

2 жыл бұрын

Based on letters frequency in Lithuanian, you can fit more than 98 % of the keystrokes on the first layer with 28 keys (according to "Raidžių dažnių lietuvių ir kitose kalbose, vartojančiose lotyniškus rašmenis, analizė").

I've been wondering this in your previous layouts as well: to use the navigational keys (left, down, up, right), do you move your fingers over 1 key to the left? Or do you use your index finger to service 2 directions and the pinky sits idle? Either way it seems less optimal than keeping them directly under the home positions, and I was wondering why you chose this configuration.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

It is the default position in Vim so I just kept it. I am currently testing a more conventional arrangement that doesn’t require a stretch of the index finger though.

I would really like to try this layout on my ferris sweep. However, I wonder if Command and Option keys that are shown with red icons on the first layers are present on all of the layers? Do you not get 'rolling issue' when you type fast alpha keys with those mods? Another question is how would I activate a shortcut that has e.g. Command, Shift + 4? Btw it looks nice and I will have to give it a go

Thank you

This is almost as little keys as the Georgi steno writer that I have. Looks like loads of fun.

Have you played with the Ginny at all? I saw it when checking out the Gergoplex, I know it's for stenography so I doubt it would be a daily board, but would be interesting to see your thoughts on it and steno. Love the vids! Much love

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I have some plans for looking at steno, stay tuned :)

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Not used the Ginny though

after seeing gergoplex, bought the same keyboard. for me, key is pressed twice sometimes. do you config to avoid this? and some weird character was pressed when typing fast. do you have same experience?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

I havn't seen this but there are configs related to that I think, it might be that you are getting used to chocs?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Is it all keys or only one? May be a deffective switch.

@youngwanify

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack the character seems like some unicode when typing fast. i feel some combination typing made specific unicode even though turned off the unicode in the setting

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngwanify I think that is the home row mods firing. Are you using the default layout? So as you roll from a key with a mod on you are hitting your next key and getting the modded version of your second key. This is the big issue with home row mods. If you look at my config files linked in the description you can try me settings and see if solves it.

I was wondering since you are programming with Vim, if you use your IPad for programming as well? I've decided to get into changing my keyboard layout as well, but I'm thinking, that carrying around a laptop and putting an external keyboard on top of it, would be super annoying, but with an IPad it seems very easy to use it on the go as you've showed in your videos, but on the other hand I feel like the IPadOs isn't suitable for programming. So I just wanted to know if you have any experience with that. Also what I wanted to ask is if you have ever tried to have a 'layer switch layer'? I mean it in a way of that instead of using your 1 thumb key to roll through the layer, you map it to go to a layer where you then can have a key that switches to your special character layers/ mouse layer/... so instead of having to roll through your layers you push a button with your thumb and then your index finger for example and then you are in your special characters layer and then on the middle finger you have your mouse layer. I hope you get what I mean ':D Also thank you a lot for making these videos! They have been really informative!

I'm just curious, how you handle and perceive the latency on the home row mods. I'm currently testing, but even after a week, the latency throws me off.

Hi Ben, Are you planning on showing how you use your keyboard with vim?

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Yep

Hi Ben. I just discovered your video on the ferris sweep. Very interesting!! Is this the same keyboard you purchased on the jlcpcb website? If so, I thought it only had 2 layers. Would I need to specify a pcb with 4 layers for all the functionality of the keyboard used in this video? Thanks very much in advance.

@maxxiong

2 жыл бұрын

Number of layers doesn't depend on PCB really, unless you use VIA, but even then it probably supports like 8 layers because it has so little number of keys.

@asif62621

2 жыл бұрын

I only ask because the jlcpcb website gives more expensive options for 2,4 & 6 layers. I think I would want 104 keys so I guess I would need to pick 4 layers on the pcb website, though it seems that Ben chose 2 layers on the website but shows 4 layers in the video (I’m a bit confused about that-I’m not very tech savvy. I’m only interested in these videos because my shoulders hurt when using a normal keyboard)

@jbaker895

Жыл бұрын

@@asif62621 the layers are all digital, they dont exist physically and has nothing to do with the number of layers on your pcb

@jbaker895

Жыл бұрын

@@asif62621 look into the moonlander keyboard, it will be very simple to set up to your liking, and includes a graphical interface to create the layout you want.

@asif62621

Жыл бұрын

@@jbaker895 Ah, I see. Thanks Josh. That's very helpful.

amazing

This is an amazing video. You somehow hit all my niche interests perfectly :) Here's a question that I hope you can answer - if I want to optimize my "keyboard usage" (mostly for fun), what would be a good first/next step? I have some experience with homegrown weird keyboard hacks, and recently switched to a Moonlander, so now I can start taking advantage of more options. So to take my game to the next level, what would give me the biggest "bang for the buck"? 1. Switching to utilizing Moonlander layers more, home-row-mods, etc, but not going all the way to a 36 key layout. 2. Going all-in on a 36-key layout? 3. Going even more all-in on a 34-key layout? 3. Kind of orthogonal to the above, but another option - learning Colemak or something similar? Btw, have you ever considered trying steno for typing?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I would ditch qwerty. I am using ISRT now but Colemak DH is good. I have done some other videos on those. Start using layers more to reduce awkward finger positions, you can just do that bit by bit. I have tried steno; I can’t really get past the issue of it not working on the iPad or phone so am just continuing to optimise a normal board for now.

@edanmaor

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack Thanks! Yeah Steno feels like an interesting thing to learn but much harder than anything else. I've taken to writing mini-text-expansions for common words (e.g. "sp; -> supposedly"), but this isn't scaling very well. Do you think it's better to learn ISRT than Colemak DH? I kind of randomly started learning Colemak without much thought cause you were using it, but if I'm doing this I might as well choose the "best" layout.

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

To me ISRT felt immediately better than DH. I would give it a go and see how it feels for you. There are loads of these highly optimised layouts that have materialised since DH originally appeared and they all do lots of interesting things.

What I do is put the L1 key over ctrl on the base layer. That way you don't need to worry about outputting anything when trying to go back to L1 if you're already there because ctrl by itself doesn't do anything. Simpler than the two thumb tap.

Hey your videos encouraged me to get a corne keyboard. How do I set the shortcuts and keys to use a german layout instead of the US one?

The default VIA sweep layout has shift on z and / (which works well for me) but ctl on 'a' cannot work for me ('as' becomes ctl-s (save)). Do you suggest all "hold and press" become "tap and switch layer"? Is this through pure QMK (not via nor vial?)

I'm using an Elite C which is not supported by ZMK, so I'll have to use QMK. Do you know what version of QMK you compiled with? I'm getting compilation errors. Also, is there a json keymap file you could push so it's more future proof?

How does this work when combining this with your mouse? Imagine you want to click something with your right hand and copy paste it with your left hand, or click, delete line. Maybe I missed this, but is this efficient? Seems like combos on the left keyboard are handy is this case?

oh wow very nice custom keyboard!

@BenVallack

Жыл бұрын

Avoid the stretch - you’ll be fine with three rows :)

Ben, this is amazing stuff; thank you! I have a question which relates to this video and the one you did on why you left the workman layout. I too did my life on qwerty (60 wpm) and was very happy to switch to dvorak. I stayed on dvorak (80 wpm) for close to 10 years and then I got my OLKB Planck and decided with ortholinear I'd also go to workman. It's been a year and I'm in the 90 wpm range on workman now, but like you said noticing the left hand ring finger awkwardness... As such, it's time for a switch again, but here's the question; Colemak DH or ISRT?

@BenVallack

2 жыл бұрын

ISRT 😀

@razinator1

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenVallack okay, this truly is a fantastic layout! I'm only just beginning but already am loving the flow of ISRT! Trying out the 34 key layout too and with layer on toggle that you suggested. I'm thinking I might go back to layer hold (like the shift key is) but I'll give it another week or so... Thanks so much for this idea, and for pointing out that same finger bigrams are a big deal.

do you have a similar layout for a colemak based version of this? Also, you mentioned a coding practice video, specifically selecting text video. is it coming?

Really interesting. What microcontroller does it use? Or are there two microcontrollers?