Thank god they didn't butchered the masterpiece.

@Thats-Akumetsu

Жыл бұрын

One of the greatest AC games

@BeastEvan

Жыл бұрын

Hear hear. Did not have a DS and could not have bought one at the time.

@kosmas173

Жыл бұрын

Masterpiece my ass, it had the most boring Assassin's creed story, the bomb weapon system was awful and the only parts even worth playing was the very beginning and end of the story.

@faustin1022

Жыл бұрын

@@kosmas173most boring? lol the most boring is the ac 1.

@15chagO

Жыл бұрын

​@@kosmas173 you should change your profile picture since you don't know what you are talking about, Revelations has some of the best and most impactful moments in the franchise, Altair final moments, Ezio finding out he is just a conduct for a message sent through the Centuries, Subject 16 saving Desmond from the Animus when everyone thought he would betray him, and lots and lots of epic moments, yes, it was more of the same since AC2, Brotherhood and Revelations are quite similar, gameplay and graphics wise, but the story is amazing, and that's why you don't know what you are talking about.

Fucking epicness out of nowhere... Ezio AC games are the best AC games

@GameFailures

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. Ezio is a bombastic loud dude who doesn't have the personality of an assassin to me. But either way I respect your opinion

@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@slameno-JR

Жыл бұрын

Brotherhood is still my favorite to date. Probably gonna replay it after i finish Valhalla

@TheManInTheComments

Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s alright

@Proaz15

Жыл бұрын

​@@GameFailures lmao none of the main protagonists has the personality of an assassin except Altair.

Another Fun Fact : AC Brotherhood was supposed to be a cash grab, it was given an extremely low budget of 9 Million and 9 Months for development, Ubisoft wanted quick money through the release of brotherhood so players would flock over from AC2 while Ubisoft themselves had no intention of keeping them happy. The devs over at Ubi Montreal however loved this franchise and community more than the Parent Company back in France and so they gave it their all and now we have the Ezio trilogy to define the spirit of AC at it's core.

@elleari89

Жыл бұрын

And it was my fav game in the series

@AhmadWahelsa

Жыл бұрын

That's some dedication, and also hilarious it turned out that way, i wonder where are the devs that made Brotherhood is working now....

@MudriaV

Жыл бұрын

@@AhmadWahelsa Well the three people who can actually carry this franchise are Darby Mcdevit as Writer(Worked on 1,2,BH, Revelations and 3, he was brought back for Valhalla but was fired due to disagreements early on in development), Jesper Kyd as Composer ( He wrote Ezio's Family and composed The AC2 and Brotherhood OST) and Ashraf Ismail as Director (Revelations and Origins). The team at Ubi Montreal clashed alot with Ubisoft France so working conditions were apparently crap so while the rest of the team did work on AC Unity and Valhalla they didn't have the same directors and writers and now we have whatever Valhalla and Odyssey are.

@MudriaV

Жыл бұрын

@@AhmadWahelsa that's not to say that other teams were bad. Ubi Montreal was split into two teams. Ubi Quebec worked on Revelations and I think Black Flag. Ubi Sofia made Rogue. Unity and Syndicate were made by different teams split from Ubi Montreal and Quebec.

@lada8744

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, that makes sense. I think the combat was absolutely butchered and it had a lot of clashing and conflicting game design that didn’t know what it wanted. It wasn’t very cohesive or sewn together very well. AC already had some balance issues, but Brotherhood has some of the worst balance issues I’ve ever seen in a game. The MP was great though. I overall enjoy the game, but it really be much better. It carries itself on concepts more than actual well designed gameplay.

Naughty Dog seeing the name: Write that down, write that down!

@esketit1707

Жыл бұрын

What ? I'm a uncharted fan so I don't get the joke

@daani1733

Жыл бұрын

@@esketit1707 Uncharted: Lost Legacy

@jred2day766

Жыл бұрын

​@@daani1733 bruh bro said he was an uncharted fan 🤣

@thebombsquadtv6151

Жыл бұрын

@@esketit1707 💀💀💀

@ayeronwhodis

Жыл бұрын

@@jred2day766I couldn’t even get through the first hour of it and even I got it 💀

So basically Nintendo unintentionally forced ubisoft to not use a shitty marketing tactic and actually come up with a new game, that's amazing lol

@C.FJohnson

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, exactly. lol, this was the same with the early Far Cry ports

@Cruddy129

Жыл бұрын

Didn't stop ubisoft doing it years later

@hecdavid11

Жыл бұрын

The Ezio Trilogy is such a videogaming achievement that it sometimes makes you forget how crap Ubisoft is at taking care of a franchise

@tanneredge9774

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo is just as evil though. We saw how they feel about fan projects of their games.

@SpicyRikers

Жыл бұрын

@@tanneredge9774 Hes Right you know

i guess you could say this was a bit of a… revelation

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

@ManLikeEddy

Жыл бұрын

EVRIKA

@randomstranger_3

Жыл бұрын

ba dum tss

@KoOkiEzRoCkz

Жыл бұрын

And the Nintendo version became a lost legacy

@fadimallouhi1150

6 ай бұрын

Bruh 😂😂

My favorite game of all time. End of a perfect story

@e.m.p1572

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@FrogBrah8

Жыл бұрын

Best game I have ever played hands down

@Fableruin

Жыл бұрын

Best assassins creed no doubt

@Waqar_Khan475

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say the best of the Ezio trilogy but it was good

@imhim3717

Жыл бұрын

@@Fableruin nah 4

The Ezio story was peak AC. You can't change my mind such a great trilogy

@alexandrelaranjeiro7133

4 ай бұрын

Yea exactly. After revelations assasibs creed went straight down the toilet. But you know what brings back similar mechanics on ps5 spider man 2

@q-tip4723

24 күн бұрын

There is an exception: AC4: Black Flag.

@TechnicalBeastYT

Күн бұрын

​@@q-tip4723 No hate on AC4, I really love that game, but it's less about assassins and more about Pirates.

@q-tip4723

22 сағат бұрын

@@TechnicalBeastYT That is very true. Though it's a break away from the standard, it was still amazing.

This was the best story part with the lost civilisation speaking to Desmond through Ezio. If they never had this, the story would of fell apart much earlier. I miss that part of my life.

@DonDarkz

2 ай бұрын

Its always there for you to revisit that pârț of your life :) i just completed revelations for first time, absolutului amazing Game. Its reignited my love for AC in general

The Ezio trilogy will sadly never be topped by another Assassin's Creed game, they set the bar so high for an interactive storytelling piece right from where we picked up Ezio as a problematic teen to the conclusion of his journey in Revelation it is a masterpiece.

@sprewthizzle

Жыл бұрын

Brace yourself...the Ezio-haters are coming after you soon 🥱

@ReikiMaulana

Жыл бұрын

@@sprewthizzle Let them come, i don't care anymore Ezio is the best

@irgendeinname9256

Жыл бұрын

It could be topped but not if it's developed by Ubisoft

@Shibeaver141

Жыл бұрын

I do agree with you I loved the ezio trilogy but for some reason I loved orgins more when I played them all and I don’t know why

@noahsepke333

Жыл бұрын

I sort of agree. Revelations was the fir AC game I got then immediately after finishing it I bought 1,2 and brotherhood. Altair and Ezios story was the best story telling in AC I would say black flag and Edward me way is on the same level. Yeah he’s not the same kind of assassin but I couldn’t put black flag down. Just beat it for the first time last week and that game was great

Revelations was my first installment. Ezio is fucking GOATED. Requiescat in pace, Mentor.

@-pROvAK

7 ай бұрын

That's sad you played the worst AC first lmao

@Retr0_Blues

7 ай бұрын

@@-pROvAK"worst AC" bro doesn't know what words mean 😭

@fukiduki9629

7 ай бұрын

​@Retr0_Blues fr, not the best of the Ezio trilogy but its miles from being the worst game 😂

@Adahy_Bullet

6 ай бұрын

​@@fukiduki9629100% agreed.

@Youssef06_

4 ай бұрын

@@-pROvAKu probably think Valhalla is the best one 🤡🤡🤡

Lost Legacy cool name

@shad3115

Жыл бұрын

Uncharted took it

@KellyMorris596

Жыл бұрын

I think it could be a good name for a new game... now that the original writer is back they could make a game in time periods we skipped in the Desmond line

My life would be very different without Revelations, I love it so much.

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

@holdyourcolor-8288

Жыл бұрын

I can't tell if you are sarcastic ot serious 😂😂😂

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

@@holdyourcolor-8288 lol 😂

@benparsons4979

Жыл бұрын

I think your life would be quite the same, mate

@irgendeinname9256

Жыл бұрын

​@@benparsons4979 maybe he f*cked up his college degree because of this game

And now you can actually play revelations on Nintendo's handheld via switch

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

@q-tip4723

24 күн бұрын

Full circle over a decade later.😊

revelation was the first assassins creed game I played and it will always be my favorite

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

@MannahSonne

4 ай бұрын

I wish you also played AC2 and Brotherhood because they are so awesome.

@riley8603

3 ай бұрын

Revelation was the goat

Man this game is underated Such a phenomenal story and player control

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😢

@wjzav1971

Жыл бұрын

Gameplay and missions suck hard though

@SSAS939

Жыл бұрын

@@wjzav1971 No way man, I really enjoyed the missions personally The missions had do many bomb and hook blade usage it was fun I don't know what you referring to with gameplay but the gameplay is literally brotherhood with more polish and options The assassin's were the most fun imo

@wjzav1971

Жыл бұрын

@@SSAS939 Brotherhood you had a wide assortment of side-quests and plenty of opportunities to play around with your skills, abilities and equipment. Revelations barely had any side-quests and the chapters were over pretty quickly. Each faction (mercenaries, courtisans, thiefs) offered so many missions in Brotherhood and you could do quests about Templar Agents, the Followers of Romulus and the main quests were quite tricky. Revelations offered exactly one quest per faction and the main quests were over pretty quickly and sometimes so easy and insultingly dull. Ohhh, you have to tail a flower merchant to collect tullips. RIVETING! The bombs were fun but you got so little opportunity to try them out in comparison to how you really could play round in AC II and Brotherhood. Revelations was such a disappointment.

@redacted94

Жыл бұрын

Definitely not underrated when its an Ezio game.

Thanks to this I have a chance to play AC Revelations and learn so many great things about AC Revelations Ezio

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome ☺️ lol 😂

So glad it came out..because it provided the much needed closure on not one but Two Master Assassins, and their eventual meeting (kind of). Seriously Amazing.❤❤❤

If this game wasn't created I might not have ever started playing Assassin's Creed this was the first Assassin's Creed game I played and I fell in love with it.

His Assassins Robes are top notch in this game

@sinfulpsyche

7 ай бұрын

Especially with the masyaf white dye, imo

@DonDarkz

2 ай бұрын

@@sinfulpsycheagreed, OG

@fastertrackcreative

Ай бұрын

One of the NPCs comments on how his clothing seems to be randomly generated as it's a kind of mash up of elements

Fun fact. On the day I bought AC 2 and Brotherhood for the 360, Revelations had just came out, on the drive back while I was holding the brotherhood case I thought to myself... "Wouldn't it be funny if Revelations was inside?" It was fucking inside.

@thecoolnewsguy

Жыл бұрын

What??? How??? Two games???

@PeeWeeDiddlyDee

Жыл бұрын

@@thecoolnewsguy The lady who served me either put Revelations in the Brotherhood case by mistake, or I'm a god.

@thecoolnewsguy

Жыл бұрын

@@PeeWeeDiddlyDee lmao that's the funniest luckiest thing I've ever heard lol

@nerose274

Жыл бұрын

That actually happened to me in a very funny way When I bought RDR2 you know that you have the 2 disc case right? In physical version So basically when I was walking down to my house I thinked "Hah..would be pretty funny if RDR1 was right inside the case." The fucking PS3 disc was right there inside Loose inside the case.

@thecoolnewsguy

Жыл бұрын

@@nerose274 How can this be possible?

His story is one of many thousands. And the world will not suffer if it ends too soon.

@rohgadriscol

Жыл бұрын

you condemn what you don't understand.

@Ya39oub_G

10 ай бұрын

​@@rohgadriscol It's an Ezio quote from the game

@TheRodg43

8 ай бұрын

​@@Ya39oub_Gthat was also a quote from Ezio 😂 Brotherhood when he comes out of vault with Mario at the beginning

@Ya39oub_G

8 ай бұрын

@@TheRodg43 I get it now, thanks.

I still think about the moment in this game where Desmond, Altair and Ezio are all in the same room. Avengers assemble before Avengers assemble.

Some of the best things come from some happy accidents, and Assassin's Creed Revelations is one such thing. I especially loved all the weird grenade effects you could create in the game to mess with the guards. It really catered to a variety of playstyles.

Thank fuck for that arguably the best game in the series definitely my favourite

@sbentsen2714

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it's so awesome 🙏🏼

@Cold_Cactus

Жыл бұрын

Umm black flag was obviously the best of the series like theres not even a argument to be made black flag is objectively the best assassin's creed game , to the extent it shouldn't have even been an assassin's creed game since its clearly on a completely different level and deserving of its own ip separate from the shame that comes along with being an assassin's creed game post brotherhood

@daniellejasper2877

Жыл бұрын

@@Cold_Cactusthere’s merit to what your saying it’s not an assassins creed game it’s when they started the whole new assassins creed era so best of that era but not of the og creed games revelations finishes a 4 game spanning story arc ac4 has nothing to do with the previous games so can’t be counted as an equal to them it’s in a class of it’s own

@daniellejasper2877

Жыл бұрын

Well ac 3 started it off but that game kinda sucks and ac4 smashed it out the water so I’d say it still kicks off a big change in ac games as ac 3 and rogue are different but similar to an ac game ac4 starts you off as someone who dosent know about the creed or templars nor wants to be apart of either

@daniellejasper2877

Жыл бұрын

A true rpg just set in the ac universe it seems cause I played Edward as a full on pirate and didn’t count him as an assassin at any part of the game the ending said he went on to become one but you essentially weren’t one the entire game and I loved every second of it but again I can’t count it as a true ac game nor a participant in this race to number 1

Hmm interesting I didn't know that 👍

i was and always will be in love with the ezio trilogy specially this one with its darker, more atmospheric and mature vibe but it did feel odd to have such a complex story that bookends everything come out because it just never happens. so glad we got this.

“It was actually never meant to exist” 😂 “ah shit man I accidentally made assassins creed revelations someone call corporate and ask them what to do from here”

@irgendeinname9256

Жыл бұрын

Shit happens

What we need is a prince of Persia

@holdyourcolor-8288

Жыл бұрын

Amen brother! But sadly they canceled it because of assassin's creed's development. POP is basically the prototype of AC.

@dandy6876

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but Prince of Persia is dead and buried,AC series started as an intended POP: Assassin but the devs didn't like a pop game where the main character isn't that prince

@brb1994

8 ай бұрын

The first AC was supposed to be a PoP game, titled: Prince of Persia - Assassins. They made the brilliant decision of making it it's own IP, and a more realistic historical game.

Bro, this has got to be one of my all time favourites and there is none like it for the story with Altair and ezio together

This is my first ever game to play on the ps3, which was my 3rd console. I had gameboy and psp first.

I feel that "lost legacy" would have been a more appropriate title than "revelations."

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

best game ever i loved it wish it was longer

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

This is the greatest assassin’s creed ever! Online mode boy I miss those days of just getting a kill with a few seconds left while the end round music serenade my come from behind first place.

The very first sword a the prettiest 🥰 I play the whole game whit this sword 😅

And now im playing it 😎🤙

I'm glad it does...the ending still gives me chills

@Nova-uk6gg

Жыл бұрын

AC2 ending Minerva speaking directly into the screen was so trippy! “What?..who is Desmond?” That was mad! Can anyone from Ubisoft tell us what they were doing with the future story in AC? That story was so weird *Minerva

It was my first assassins creed game. I remember getting an Xbox 360 for my birthday, and I immediately went and bought the game to play it. I have alot ofmany good memories with this game.

This is by far the best Assassin's Creed game I have ever played.

The best game for me ❤️

Yeah, I remember searching carefully for anything related to lost legacy back then and found that only single line from a quick interview with one of the developers mentioning it was somehow evolved into revelations 😃

They also released a DS tie-in game for AC2 called AC2: Discovery, that covers the 3 (?) years missing in the main game, when Ezio was in Spain. It’s a game that nobody played or remembers but it still annoys me that it wasn’t included in the otherwise perfect Ezio Collection.

Back when Ubisoft made games that didn't suck

Such a well done game, 👏.

@thedecafe1

Жыл бұрын

😅

I thought they overcomplicated the bombs system but otherwise I think it was a good one. It's interesting to see the transition from the brash somewhat careless youngster into the weary but driven assassin. And how this game had a darker vibe reflected by the Animus screen, tragic but potent theme, and the ghost grey travelling cloak and eagle vision.

One of the main story missions in Assassin's Creed: Revelations is entitled "Lost Legacy", where Altaïr's last moments are shown.

The waffle house has found it’s new host

@someguywithanarrowtothekne3899

Жыл бұрын

The Waffle House Has Found Its New Host

@madhavgoel4183

Жыл бұрын

🧇 🏠

@stupidclown4327

Жыл бұрын

The waffle house has found its new host.

Youre just copying content from other KZreadrs

@Memedude_L1

Жыл бұрын

No

@giogio173

Жыл бұрын

Wich one

@thom6432

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to youtube

@randomguy-lo5cy

Жыл бұрын

what's he copying? that's literally how the game came to exist

@theSkiller2

Жыл бұрын

@@randomguy-lo5cy well i saw a vid with the exact same text a few weeks ago so i suppose he kind of copied it

I mean given the fact that brotherhood has my favorite cutscene of any of the games and has probably one of if not my favorite monologue in gaming history in it then I’d say Montreal really did a amazing job

25 years old and I remember the 3DS as being a massive failure but I honestly wasn’t super into gaming back then

Just finnished playing it for the first time completed the ezio collection

Still game me my favorite online experiences with friends ever. The pvp was so much fun

Revelations was my first and is the only assassins creed game I find myself coming back to every year to replay it. Masterpiece.

Playing as ezio made me feel like a gangster poping people in the dome with the first pistol ever made.

This was my introduction to the series and it was an amazing introduction.

I just started the ezio trilogy once again after playing mirage and i gotta say, its great to be home.

My first assassin's Creed game was on Nintendo ds when I was 7 then years later I got brotherhood I now own all games on disc except mirage

Amazing game with great story.Golden age of gaming

And we STILL have same problem with games for PC vs console!!! Most titles are "locked" with fps,graphics and some parts that are just cut-off from games

Bro, the PSP was the best. You could play 3 GTAs and AC bloodlines was a banger. Nintendo DS be like: I CaNt rUn 3d 😥

@lada8744

Жыл бұрын

AC2 Discovery was one of the best DS games there was. Don’t diss the DS when talking about AC games. It’s a strong contender there.

It's good knowing the game got a full release instead of a neutered one. So many games cut content just to put on handheld

thanks for the info

one of the best.. the story really summarize the whole AC at the time (AC 1 to Revelation) AND i got goosebumps the whole game

People keep forgetting about the character development that Ezio had,from an angry guy thirsty for revenge,to a wise mentor that can still get angry if provoked to much. I think Ezio and Altair are kinda similar in this aspect,except Altair was younger when he became the mentor/master assassin.

This was one of the best assassins creed games in terms of story, it was near flawless! We even had a guest cameo from niko bellic, what a time that was

I find it funny how Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Revelations ended up being better games than most modern ACs, despite their development suggesting they could have been massive train wrecks.

@JohnDoe-hj9fh

8 ай бұрын

Revelations was the blueprint for the new AC games. It's nothing about stealth and full of explosive set pieces

The sacrifices of the Master and the Mentor will never be forgotten. Requiescat in pace.

Legit, AC Revelations was and will always be my favorite of all the games! I started on the first Assassins Creed and when I finally met Ezio’s character, I fell in love with his game trilogy. Grazie mille per un buon gioco Ezio Auditore da Firenze. Adesso studio la sua lingua a causa di Ezio!🇺🇸❤️🇮🇹

Makes sense, brotherhood felt like DLC that wasn’t finished (it wasn’t and turned into a full game) and revelations feels like a 3ds game that was cancelled ,I’m just finding this out but that’s really what the game feels like, play khddd if you need proof.

I should really play the Ezio triology again. As a kid I fully completed these games and replayed them many times.

Lost Legacy is also what would become the name for the games DLC content, in which the player delves into the raw animus memories of subject 16, clay kazmarek, in a similar way as that of Desmond’s on the main game’s animus island. If they originally intended to make a whole main game of something like this, it could mean that they were planning on having him as the main or secondary protagonist, where we would be able to see and experience his still somewhat mysterious story in much greater detail.

Am I the only one who remembers a few assassin's creed games for 3DS that were like platform games?

"This is the time where Handheld Consoles were taking over." Uh... No, I'd argue it's when they started to die, lmao. Handheld gaming was at it's peak in the 2000's with the PSP and Nintendo DS. (And the PSP and NDS both had Assassin's Creed games.)

It was my first game I ever bought, one of my best buys ever.

I never thought handheld was taking over. My 360 was it

Love this game so much, i played it as a teenager and the entire experience was epic.

Revelations was the perfect conclusion to Ezio’s trilogy and what really got me into assassins creed. I showed my buddy back then the trailer like 5 times haha That whole storyline especially in the real world with desmond and the isu tripped me out as a kid and even sorta changed how I view certain things like I got really into astronomy and history after. Crazy sh** lol but I’m hoping mirage is a lot more like this one 🫰

I’m replaying them all now and Brotherhood is still my favorite of them all!

There was a 2d type of assassin’s creed game on the DS, I have a game card that has like 70, possibly more games on it, and one of them was Assassin’s Creed

This is the AC game that I never played but always hear alotta high praise about it

That explains the jump from 2010 looking graphics to 2012

If revolations was ment for the 3ds then it explains why the tower defence part exists

So that's how the best AC game was born

@FrogBrah8

Жыл бұрын

Best ac game Story wise ever. The most a game made me cry

@youdononeetokno

Жыл бұрын

​@@FrogBrah8One of the only few games that made grown men cried

I wish they would remaster these with updated mechanics such as toggle crouching etc

There was an AC game on the ds I don’t remember the name but I played the hell out of it as a kid

Revelations was what introduced me to the AC franchise. I think not a day later, I purchased the first Assassin’s Creed and immediately fell in love. Most embarrassing part was in Masyaf, when Al Mualim tells you to “go to God” I was stuck on that Leap of Faith for a good 15 minutes not knowing HOW to jump.

I was thinking, if we could join AC2 missions, music, vibes and plots (25 years of Ezio) with Brotherhood villains, scenes, game flow, missions and side mission (Leonardo’s ones were lit) with Revelations parkour, bombs, Altair flashbacks and Sofia (🔥) it would be the perfect game 10000/10

Handheld have never “taken over” since the game boy

i am turning the first 4 AC games into a TV series on my channel...

+ the ending was a foreshadowing 1 choice Desmond could make on the 3rd asc3

All Ezio AC games were amazingly fun and well written. Still my favorite assassino

thank god. This is still my all time favorite assassins creed

This doesn’t feel right at all. AC brotherhood was left on a cliff hanger. No way would they continue Desmond’s story exclusively on hand helds. Also 3DS sales weren’t booming like ps3/Xbox

Damn ac revelations coming out the same year as the 3ds is wild it seems off but it's true

Thank God... This is a great ending to Ezio and Altair's story

Who remembers the original nintendo AC game on the og ds?

I dont think anything will ever beat 100% the ezio games the first time that was peak childhood gaming for me man ans revelations was for sure my favorite just loved the world

Bruh i miss the popularity of hand held nintendos. Yeah the switch capls back to it but i was holding my phone tpday playing pokemon roms of my first game and i almost cried how for it really came from gen 3 to 9. Also revelations was so cool wish we had more advanced altair control

Back when development cycles where short enough for them to change course and still drop the game within the same year. (With very minor bugs too)

It did seem some what disconnected, we would not have needed it because we already knew where the apple was but we luckily got it, personally my favorite piece of ezios story, because it's so good after 2 and brotherhood