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I knew the whole thing about Martinique molasses rum in classic tiki cocktails, and yet I never questioned the use of agricole in a Three Dots. This video makes me want to do a side-by-side comparison as well!

@MixingUpTiki

26 күн бұрын

It was a lot of fun!

I swapped in OFTD for all classic tiki drinks that called for Martinique rhum after reading Matt's article. I think the all OFTD Three Dots is superb in all ways. It works extremely well in the donga punch too.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Now that Donga Punch would a knockout lol

I've done this experiment before and my conclusion was that Donn and Vic must've been using the grand arome martinique style in the Mai Tai and Three Dots. I can't imagine Vic thinking that a good replacement for Wray and Nephew 17/15 would be an agricole of all things.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Yes and no. Still not the Grand arome we get now-a-days, which is typically unaged. It would have been something similar, but still different.

@maitaioneon

11 ай бұрын

It looks like it was not the Grand Arôme but a different style of industrial rhum. Le Galion produces three types of rum: Grand Fond Galion, Le Galion and a Grand Arôme style. Perhaps one of the other two was more similar.

Excellent again. Love your comparisons.

@MixingUpTiki

15 күн бұрын

Thanks so much!

Tried this with denizen 8 year as a replacement and it made a great cocktail

@MixingUpTiki

Ай бұрын

Denizen is great!

Very interesting history lesson here. I've made my Three Dots with a split base of demerara/dark Jamaican for a while now and always thought they just mixed much better with the heavy spice component of the drink. Glad to see my instincts were right.

@MixingUpTiki

Ай бұрын

Yup, dark Jamaican and aged Demerara are one of my top pairings.

@barstoolbanter7212

Ай бұрын

@@MixingUpTiki Agreed.

3 dot is on of my favorite cocktails. Years ago I came to the same conclusion about the Martinique rhum not balancing well in this cocktail so I use 1 oz Demerara and 1 oz Martinique

An interesting experiment for sure. Before I could find rhum agricole I made this with el dorado 12 and appleton 12 or Newfoundland Screech or a local yum black strap rum. Honestly love them all. Even the rhum agricole each are different and still familiar. 😋

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Ooo the 12+12 sounds delicious

A must see video! Thanks

I follow the recipe that the folks at Three Dots and a Dash use which subs Dry Curacao for the OJ. The rest of the ingredients match up.

@MixingUpTiki

9 ай бұрын

Yea Paul McGee’s version is def good

Just found your channel, subscribed! I LOVE a ..._, it's one of my favorite cocktails, and I really do enjoy what the aged agricole brings to the party. But I'm going to mix one up with some Coruba right now, or perhaps some OFTD. And I agree with you, the Scorpion isn't that great haha. Cheers and mahalo!

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Mahalo! Thanks for the support. The •••- with OFTD is amazing!

I didn't know that back story ablut ancient Martinique Rum, but I switched the Rum to a Molasses one anyway because I also wasn't too convinced of it in this drink.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Good intuition

Was just about to make this drink but looking for substitutions for Rhum agricole- nice video to justify my swapping 🙂👍

@MixingUpTiki

8 ай бұрын

Cheers!

Nice video! That’s like $15 worth of cherries you used!

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Haha and they tasted like $15 worth lol 😂

Good morning. Although I'm French, I'm not a big fan of agricultural rums and their musty herbaceous flavors (well seen because that's exactly it 😁👍). There are some that have a strong herbaceous flavor 🤢 and others very few that are well scented and pleasant to taste. So it will completely change the taste of the cocktail. I tested this battle with WP 109 and the Depaz gold agricultural rum and a preference for the WP porte ci, the Depaz brings its little Martinican funk too. Cheers 🧉

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

I’v never even heard of some of those rums! That’s soo cool! Cheers.

Haven't tried Three Dots and a Dash with Coruba OR Clement, but I really like the drink with Avua Amburana Cachaça as a sub for the Martinique rum. Its warm spice notes pair really well with the falernum and allspice in the drink. I'd also like to try it with La Favorite 4 year (or La Favorite VSOP, which is just like the 4-year but bottled at 84 proof instead of 80). If you haven't tried those products, they have these warm spice notes that make it very different (and more interesting) than other rhum agricole

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

I have not but I’ll def put them on the list

@MisadelphiaSAR

11 ай бұрын

@@MixingUpTiki Btw I’ve never seen La Favorite 4 year or VSOP in Boston; I got both at Astor Wines in New York. But Avua Amburana Cachaça can be found around here. The 18-month La Favorite Ambre can also be found here, but I find it does NOT work in •••- because it’s too overpowering at 100 proof.

Molasses-based rhum is still being produced in Martinique. Look at Le Galion.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

It’s def not the majority though and it looks like it only produces one aged molasses based rum, their dark rum, and iv never seen anyone try it.

@maitaioneon

11 ай бұрын

@@MixingUpTiki I just got confused because the video sort of drew a line of past and present Martinique rhum styles when it isn’t like that. They made sugarcane juice and molasses rhums historically just as they do now. Agricole wasn’t (or was rarely) exported back then and now things have reversed for us in the US. Kind of funny.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

@@maitaioneon exactly. I do mention it briefly in the very beginning of the video. The whole point is that back during Vic and Donn’s time the Martinique rum they had access to isn’t the same as the Martinique Rhum Agricole most of use today.

While I think you're probably correct about the taste profile of the rum originally used in Don's drink, there's another angle to consider. Three Dots and a Dash was Morse code for V, for Victory, and (Colonel) Don Beach created it to celebrate victory in WWII. The inclusion of French and British rum in a drink created by an American is - I think - symbolic of the Allied partnership. Granted, a historically accurate version would need a big slug of vodka, but considering current events, let's just leave that alone. So I suppose it's each bartender's call, flavor profile accuracy or memetic accuracy.

@MixingUpTiki

10 ай бұрын

The rums that Donn would’ve used were still French and British. It’s just that the french Martinique rum wasn’t Rhum Agricole, which is what most people use today.

@hawks6973

10 ай бұрын

@@MixingUpTiki Agreed, but my main point was, using a French rum of some sort today, even if it's a different flavor profile, still preserves a non-flavor related element of the historical drink.

Im all for having multiple drinks under the guise of research!

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

I mean I clearly had to drink them…. In the name of science lol

@shadowstalker130666

11 ай бұрын

@MixingUpTiki exactly! Tiki drinks are also a great barometer of drunkenness! If you can still make a tiki drink, your not too drunk and can keep drinking. Lol.

lovely would you be able to suggest a few alternatives for the Coruba? You know for the none US peeps ;-)

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

Blackwells and Myers are your two best bets

@C.Fel.

11 ай бұрын

or Worthy Park 109!

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

@@C.Fel. while WP109 is great, it’s def a lot more funky than what we’re looking for here. We want something lightly funky.

I think something is wrong with YT, this video would not load on my cocktail channel account, and that account ONLY, very strange. Anyway... This topic is interesting to me because of the Mai Tai...I've made Mai Tai's with Rhum Blanc and Vieux and I just dont like it...at all. It does not taste like something that was intended. Pretty sure, like you said, the Rums are just different nowadays. Im looking into Barbancourt Rhum now, maybe that was closer to the original.

@bobsbottomshelf

11 ай бұрын

Still wont load, tried multiple connections and browsers, only this account wont load it. Strange.

@MixingUpTiki

11 ай бұрын

That’s so strange! Sorry.