I learned English for 8 years with on and off, I can understand what you said without sub, I still struggle with academic books, I stop learning, just enjoy it by watching on KZread, I think it times to move on the next languages like Spanish... :)

@IainMcGirr

2 жыл бұрын

Just stop focusing on grammar verbs and such crap and rules LEARN to speak think words and recite FIRST ..then add the grammar.. just like KIDS do before they go to school but even READINfG as an adult without focusing in past superlative pro noun etc.. is crap. no KIDS think is this the indefinite or definite article ..they just hear repeat speak learn and basic READ ...once they GOT that ...add tthe grammar try that .. you will go a much further way ..

I got into German and told myself (eventually) that I didn’t have to be fluent and didn’t have to speak correctly or lose my accent (except the American R because it’s too notorious) and ended up much more fluent than I would have expected through reading and listening.

@IainMcGirr

2 жыл бұрын

Wunderbar :)

Here's a great analogy: Do you know every word in the English language and how it works? If not how often are you learning more words? Same goes for a foreign language

It's also worth noting that you can aim to be fluent within a limited context. You don't need to be able to talk about art if that's not something you're interested in. You may be much more happy being able to go down to the local bar and talk about the recent sportsball game and do so comfortably and at ease.

I found this to be a very inspiring video, thank you. I started studying Spanish very diligently at age 68 and I’m now 74. It took a long time to become conversational (which is wonderful), but the stumbling block was not my age, and certainly not my diligence, it was me. Being a perfectionist can be a blessing and a curse. The curse is that it’s difficult to let someone see you not being perfect! I’m traveling to Mexico in a few weeks and I will re-watch your video before I go so I can be reminded to let my guard down and just have a good time speaking with the people and being thankful for the language I have acquired.

Hi Olly, Well done for this interesting video. Different learners can have different goals so no need to be obsessed with getting perfectly fluent in our target language. Sometimes reaching a lower-intermediate / conversational level can be more than enough. Take care, LUCA

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

Good to hear from you Luca!

Completely agree with everything. Remember while in China, the first conversation I had with a Chinese family (who spoke no English). It was replete with grammatical faux pas', mispronounced words, and was punctuated with me referring to my phones dictionary. However, I was floating on air for the next week with joy.

Thank you, I really needed to hear this!!

This is one of the most inspiring and motivating videos I have seen in a long time

“The point of knowing the language is to know the person.” Excellent advice. I learned that the hard way. Forcing myself to exclusively speak Spanish by trying to recall Spanish vocabulary and phrases when interacting with Spanish speakers, I made myself so uncomfortable that I could barely relate to them as people. This was especially fruitless given the fact they could speak a little English and were more that happy to speak both languages. When I realized my error, I spoke English with them and fit in my Spanish where appropriate and it was so natural.😅. We needed up having a wonderful bilingual conversation and I learned we had so much in common.

Such a clear-minded approach to learning languages as conveying your personality to others.

This video was spot on! You’re absolutely right! I say this to my students every damn day! I get a true buzz out of communicating with people on the street in whatever language I’m learning at the moment. Their reaction is priceless! And it makes you more motivated and determined to keep going with your language learning because you were able to communicate with those people at that particular moment in time in their language to the best of your ability and no one give a damn! Yeah! You messed up or not! As long as you enjoy the process of speaking with that person that’s what matters of the end of the day. Three weeks ago I went to a Thai restaurant and spoke in thai order some food and thai and it was an amazing experience and the girl was impressed that I could speak sometime even though it was basic. Come to find out we both live in the same city in Los Angeles and she’s not that far from where I live it here in Akron. So it was a great experience. You continue my thai learning experience for me that’s how powerful speaking thai at the moment what. The more you speak the better you’ll get the more you enjoy it

Thanks man, you rock

This is a very good motivational video for people whose passion is learning new languages. I really appreciated this point of view. That is so true!! Thank you Olly!!🙏🌷

I think the most common second language is English and I'm sad to say this but I have never gotten a buzz from speaking English with a native speaker. I believe we are expected to speak English, even in our own countries. Therefore, I feel like that part of the video might be true for languages other than English. I might be wrong, though.

@dragonofthewest8305

3 жыл бұрын

True

@Tehui1974

2 жыл бұрын

This makes sense to me, and English is my native language.

@paulwalther5237

2 жыл бұрын

It probably depends on the person. I’ve done a lot of language exchanges and noticed some people really got a kick out of speaking English. Mostly for low intermediate speakers or people who hadn’t spoken English in a long time. I used to get a buzz I guess from speaking Japanese but I’ve spoken it so much now that there’s no buzz anymore. I still have lots of room to improve though.

Thanks for this, Olly! Encouraging to remember as I continue to progress.

Thank you for this video, it was super wholesome and motivating!

I make a lot of mistakes in Spanish but native speakers are still always impressed when they hear me speak it

You are right- I’m learning French and I’m at the slogging it out phase lol. I work with a lot of foreign nurses mostly Italian and Spanish. They all the time get things wrong- in the way they structure sentences, but I understand everything and yes I consider them fluent. But with my own learning for me being fluent is not making any mistakes and speaking quickly . But why? Thanks for the video real food for thought!

I completely agree! I have a very high level of Spanish and will go for days completely communicating in Spanish and then I might beat myself up for making a bunch of misconjugations in a speech or something! Its not worth beating yourself up over. The person is what matters!

Olly, you are getting better and better every week. That’s awesome. Well done my man 👌

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

:) good to hear!

I soo love this leff of centre .. in my own country Ireland there is Two offical languages .. and many retreat naturally behind English and feel that they are not able to tackle Gaelige or Irish but this over the last 10 years with the influx of other Europeans coming in mass to Ireland and that has been a good thing to make that CLEAR has woken up many that the original language often pushed down their throats but the state education is something worth learning and can at LEAST try with others ie you dont have to be FLUENT but try .. and the feedback . has grown into a LOVE of languages beginning with BOTH of their own bingual languages ie English and Native Irish and fostered an rennewed interest on other languages but this statement of " not having to be fluent but making the effort " is SUCH a good thing to state and glad you called that out .. Líonann mo chroí le bród as a bheith in ann labhairt le daoine eile mar dhuine dá gcuid féin i ngach teanga .. auf English mit Deutsch.. :) sprechen aus Deutsche ..wunderbar.. :)

Am I the only person who is not so happy with initial stages of learning but very happy and motivated once I'm getting more advanced? Really I'm not happiest as a beginner. It's always such a drag to me. Despite my love for language learning. But I love native speaker aimed content, I love history and culture and this is what motivates me to get trough this "complete beginners 7 circles of hell". To me it's more fun to for example watch a documentary on Spanish history in Spanish, read about history of italian grammar in Italian or simply to listen to French bloggers blogging in French about their favourite books or food rather than to have to memorize and read some texbook content for a begginer learner of a foreign language. I write this while refreshing my Swedish with silent hope to one day read various scientific publications by Karolinska Institutet. ;-)

@signmeupruss

4 жыл бұрын

femmeNikita27 I'm with you. I have only studied German as a foreign language, and I look back on the first few months with agony. Now that I can read actual books I feel like the sky's the limit. I feel I have reached the point where what I learn next will come from target language material written for native speakers. All the best.

@femmeNikita27

4 жыл бұрын

@@signmeupruss My I ask what's your native language and how long it took you to get to your current level? Since yes, I should learn German too. Tried to begin with it recently and still recall my attempts at reading my first full press article without using vocabulary. I think it was 7 pages long and it took me about 4 hours or so. :-/

@Shootingstarcomics

4 жыл бұрын

I love the beginning stages, it’s exciting to me. It feels like I’m going to embark on an adventure when I don’t know any words at all and I sit down to get started, especially now that I know how to learn a language. I like all the stages really, the only thing I don’t like is when I think I’m getting to know a language pretty well, maybe I can read it and understand some tv show but then I hear a native speaker speak to another native speaker and I have no idea what they are talking about. That always makes me feel kind of low.

@signmeupruss

4 жыл бұрын

@@femmeNikita27 Hi! Mine mother tongue is English, more specifically the dialect called Standard American English. As to my current level, I haven't taken a formal test, like the Goethe Institute exams, but from my self-assessment and that of my German-speaking friends and relatives I would say that I'm at a B2 level. It has taken me taken me just over a year to reach my current level. Most of my work has been listening and reading. I have adapted some techniques from the smarterGerman creator, Michael Schmitz, and then applied the "quantity over quality" approach of many of polyglots I've watched. I didn't really hate the beginning of learning German, it's just that I like being able to learn new things from whatever I happen to hear. Then, too, much of my struggle was learning how to learn a new language. German was my first "second" language. Learning German, however, will be a lifelong activity for me since my daughter and son live in Germany in Münster. If grandchildren happen along I would like to be able to speak with them in their native language. I think I have been bitten by the polyglot bug, though. In the next couple years I think I will add Dutch as my second "second" language. Best of luck.

@femmeNikita27

4 жыл бұрын

@@signmeupruss Thanks for reply. Sounds like there is hope for me after all .;-) I need to learn it for family communicaton reasons too.My cousin's kids born in Switzerland, so not only they speak German but it's also a specific dialect. Thanks God, they have standard version of German in primary school now. Otherwise I have no idea how their mother would communicate with them since in my family so far we had mainly Polish, 3 versions of French and mostly British English. She got standard German lessons there, to be able to continue her PhD studies there, after having kids. Yes, I hope you got bitten by the polyglot bug since it's wonderful adventure for life. Dutch sounds a bit crazy to me. And has even more restricted syntax than English (as far as I can tell after following some bloggers who explained basics of its grammar). But well, best of lack with it. Roommate of my cousin had Dutch relatives and was rather studious person and if I recall she was trying to learn Dutch on her own during studes but as far as I can remember making real progress took her full 4 years. But yet again, it was her side project during hard biotechnology studies, so let's hope it was just due to heavy workload and let's hope you will make progress faster. I do get some of it language thanks to Swedish but still it sounds a bit weird to me. Pronunciation seems hard. I suppose I prefer Swedish since it's more melodic and softer. I guess that just Slavic ear in me, due to my childhood exposure first to Russian and then to Polish.

This is best language learning mindset video I've seen. Everyone who wants to learn another language should start here.

@storylearning

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason

This was and is fantastic advice! I am soo glad that I was curious enough to check out this video. You are liked... and subscribed to!

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful .. glad to have you aboard David! There’s plenty more where this came from.

100 percent agree!

This was REALLY interesting Olly. Fluency -how do you define it? A hard question. I've been living in Italy for 41 years, teaching English. I remember a quotation by a celebrity journalist , Beppe Severgnini, bilingual in English and an expert in British culture, . He once said that it takes about six months to learn the basics in English and be comfortable making your way around London. From that point it takes many years to feel you're more or less 'fluent ' in the language. To speak like a native, it takes a lifetime. I would add to that, in that after 41 yrs, you will never know QUITE as much vocabulary as the majority or natives. As you said Olly, it doesn't master. It takes a while for people to detect my own British accent, and occasionally I'll get a preposition wrong , but it doesn't matter. Thanks for the encouragement ( for my French) and for the great blogs. I've given similar advice to my own students of English, which has done wonders for their confidence.

@annaleeblysse

4 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I've got 40+ years with Spanish. Because the language is permanently part of my life I really don't worry at all about fluency levels at any given moment in time. I know that over time, the general trend will be to understand more and more.

@barbaragemin5117

4 жыл бұрын

Angela McElroy I agree Angela.

@liveforever4190

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, despite being bilingual since I was a child, I understand perfectly when you say, "I would add to that, in that after 41 yrs, you will never know QUITE as much vocabulary as the majority or natives." I'm an American who was born and raised here in the U.S. (I'm in my twenties now) yet grew up in a Spanish speaking household -- making it my first language before English. My parents are from Mexico and have always told my Spanish was really good, yet even I often struggle to find the precise, technical word for things sometimes (for example, watching the news today I found out that the word for "hostage" in Spanish is "rehén" and a "siege" is "asedio" -- hmm, who knew?) and every once in a while mess up a small grammar point (we do it too in English: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHt4xI-fktmwnbQ.html ) -- in fact I took a C2 grammar test just for fun a few days ago, and was surprised by the amount of mistakes I made. Yet nobody has really cared if I mess up a small grammar point or word (my mother'll correct me once in awhile, but we just move on) as even natives of any language often slip up from the official rules of grammar; my native speaking mother wasn't absolutely perfect on the C2 test oddly enough. Thus despite Spanish being a language I’ve known since childhood, I still mess up, less and less now as I learn infrequently needed or used but preciser terms for things. So I’m still learning my own native tongue. I know more words in English because all of my studies were in English and most of the content I consumed in English, yet still once in a while mess up the grammer when I speak (as I think quite a bit of us younger American anglophones do, especially when speaking with a slangier dialect), and were I too read something more poetic like the word “serendipity” and then even I would be lost. Because of the fact that their studies were primarily in Spanish my parents know a lot more of the seldom used, technical or slangier words and expressions in Spanish which I’m barely even learning, and I repeat that it's my first language. So yeah, unless you dedicate quite a bit of time to studying the language rigorously (though if you want to try, I recommend studying in native level courses if your advanced enough and want to improve further) what you said Barbara will continue to ring true. But the point is that it doesn’t matter, language learning (even your own native language(s)) is an ongoing process you’ll never finish, and if we’re honest, you’ll never have to! I can't tell you how both languages have been useful both for me, others, the Lord, and just how rewarding it is to be able to make a connection with somebody with whom you couldn't have if you didn't know the language. Just go as far as you can, little by little, working on what you think you need, every day, and your improvement will take care of itself, as has happened with my own quest to learn Italian (and I guess Spanish and English). Enjoy the journey and rejoice in the moments when you learn something new, knowing that many other who embarked on the path gave up and you didn't! Christ bless!

@SmallSpoonBrigade

3 жыл бұрын

There is no official definition. Even native speakers will encounter areas where they're not particularly fluent. When people talk fluency they usually mean the ability to communicate naturally in a large number of topics.

Food for thought.

People never want to accept the reality of how long it takes to really achieve something meaningful. It's like going to the gym and going from being overweight and out of shape to fit and healthy. Nobody wants to hear that it is going to take a whole lifestyle change and regular exercise that is uncomfortable and makes you push past your current limits, over and over again, not for weeks or months but for the rest of your life. As soon as you stop you get out of shape again. It's the same with a language, it takes thousands of hours, daily work, pushing yourself past your current limits, for years and years. Not a few months then you're done. If you're learning a language and your focus is on how long it's going to take and how you can do it in the quickest time possible then I'd suggest that you are learning for the wrong reasons.

Yes.

It probably depends a bit on the language and the method, but I'd wager it looks more like a logistics curve. As you start and get towards fluency it tends to be pretty hard and flat, and somewhere in the middle is where it's the easiest.

Hey y'all, Amazon his his books in Kindle format for only .99 cents today. I just bought the Spanish, French, Italian, German, and Russian of his book. Of course if you want the audio then you will need to pay more than .99 cents. Anyway, grab the kindle book while you can!

@jclyntoledo

2 жыл бұрын

But you can't do the quizzes with kindle so if you do kindle/ebook you'll need to write down the answers on a separate paper /notebook

@kimberlynorton

2 жыл бұрын

@@jclyntoledo correct. My preference is always a physical book.

Heck, I'm an American and still not fluent in English lol... I forget words sometimes, say the wrong things at other times... When I lived in Japan, it was common for people to comment to me that I speak slow Japanese. I would tell them that I speak slowly even in English haha

Listening to your definition of fluency, I get the idea that fluency == perfection. I place the bar of fluency a lot lower. In my learning of Finnish I have but one criterium of fluency, which is not perfection. I consider myself fluent if I can have a meaningful, non-trivial conversation with a native speaker, and the native speaker does not have to descend to the language of an 8 year old in order to be understood. At that point I will by no means have a perfect grasp of Finnish, but I should be able to understand others automatically and creating the structure of my sentences should also come more or less automatically. I came to this notion by listening to the stories of Matt vs Japan (a channel on youtube). You probably know of him. He reached fluency long before his speech became perfect. Also, his explanation of how the subconscious automatically digests grammar together with his experiences gave me the opportunity to differentiate between perfection (near native speech with maybe a little accent) and fluency (understanding and speech is non-trivial,although you still need to ask the meaning of a word sometimes or look for alternative ways of saying stuff). What I am trying to say is this: If you equate fluency to perfection, you are taking away an essential milestone in the process. In my mind this milestone is where in the past you still had to analyze a podcast or a written article using transscripts, you can now just listen and enjoy, even if you don't understand all the words. That, for me, is fluency. Mind you, I haven't reached that stage yet. I still have to vigorously analyse sentences in order to know what it says, even if I know all the words, but I am getting closer, a little every day. I am very curious to know if any of this resonates with you. Or maybe you just need to set me straight on what fluency is. Thanks for the video, I appreciate it!

Your reader came today. Adding it to my program. I still see OLLY on the book and OILY right here on this page. I'm so used to saying OILY you will remain OILY.

@storylearning

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve come to accept this as reality

My analogy for starting a language is like riding one of those bikes with a basket on the front, ( a bit like a bakers delivery bike ) . But imagine you have nothing in the basket to begin. So you are moving quite quickly ( the honeymoon period of learning ) but as you move along people are putting loaves, buns , cakes into the basket as you pass ( the words, prepositions etc etc ) . It's getting harder to move along. Then you suddenly understand something. You drop a gear, now it's easier. So you think they can chuck as many loaves as they want,( and they do ) so what do you do ? You drop another gear ( you have lots of gears ! ) . As time progresses you get better, so you don't need to change gear so often even though your basket is full. I hope you get the idea......

The whole reason I started learning Swedish again was to reconnect with a friend from Sweden which I haven’t talked too in quite some time to know the person and the culture.

If you made the y-axis the number of words you know then it would be closer to a line. It's just that fluency versus words isn't linear

You don't have to be fluent, however it would be nice to be that and not to catch yourself searching for words, or catching yourself just having produced a wrong verb form.

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

It’s a question of degree, isn’t it? I still find myself searching for words and catching myself using the wrong verb forms in all my languages... I don’t think perfection is a worthwhile pursuit for most people.

@thedualinglanguageteachers9020

4 жыл бұрын

Olly Richards well but we aren’t most people:)

A similar thing happens in weight lifting. At first you feel the best. Then you keep trying to chase that high but the progress gets slower (and there's people taking magical supplements) so you feel like you are doing it wrong.

Poin dari belajar bahasa asing adalah bukan untuk mengetahui bahasa tsb, tetapi untuk lebih bisa berempati kepada orang lain tsb...

It seems like learning languages for me is always easier after several months. I enjoy the idea of starting a new language, but not the reality.

I like this video and the attitude in it. I think the shape is correct for most of the curve but I see it differently at the beginning. I see the shape more as like one of these "∫". The very early learning is hard, because it is difficult to find interesting comprehensible input. Mostly the easiest graded readers and similar content is not what you've gotten into the language to learn. This is why so many people skip early to content which is too hard for them! This is especially true if the language is quite far from your current language knowledge (e.g. Japanese for English speakers) because an awful lot of content is pretty much 0% comprehensible out of the doors. The B1-B2 levels in my experience are then the area with the fastest learning. I learn faster then because I find more content that I enjoy. I'm increasingly watching whatever videos and reading whatever articles I like and getting a decent amount of learning from them, because my comprehension is 80%-99% on most things. B1 and B2 are much much bigger levels than A1-A2, which is why they take longer even though you are learning at a higher rate at this point. This is also the same reason why learning a second, similar language is so much faster (ie Italian when you know Spanish). Because you start in the happy area of having a high % of comprehension for a lot of materials. Then the learning slows down again because you end up in a position where you basically understand 100% of a lot of material. You have to go out and *find* more difficult things to consume. And you can already communicate what you want to say, you can only get better by trying to refine it and stretch yourself. Improving further requires you to go out into more boring or difficult territory at this point. This is why I believe that the intermediate stage is the area of fastest and most enjoyable learning.

Some people’s idea of fluency is a little too high. I’m not good enough in my native language. I’m always stumbling over words, forgetting words learning new words and getting confused by idioms. As long as I can talk to people fairly confidently in my target language I don’t care if I make mistakes.

@AzrentheLanguageNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Good point here. We get frustrated when this happens in a foreign language, but we don't in our mother tongue

I have to say that both reasons are just as important to me. To be able to communicate with locals AND be fluent.I'm certainly not speading 100's of hours learning a language JUST to be able to communicate...that isn't a big enough reward for me.

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

I agree... me neither. I guess the point is that there’s a whole lot of communication you can be doing while you’re busy improving and reducing errors.

@jooshozzono7249

2 жыл бұрын

@@storylearning i prefer to read and watch tv shows than speaking with people

I think even Steven Kauffman said, something along the lines that he’s not fluent in any language except for English and Swedish. Every other language varies on different levels.

Already subscribed boss

I live in spain and learn the language for some 7 month. I’m fluent talking about who I am, where I’m from, shopping, hobbies and some other things. Fluent not perfect and I’m lost with most other topics. - guess I’m not perfect in german or english either. Although I started to learn german at the age of a few month and english at the age of 10. A language will always be a topic to improve no matter what.

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve reached the point before in languages where I’ve stopped caring about improving them... and it’s a curious place to be. (Not wholly positive). Makes you realise the value in enjoying the learning journey!

@erimsee

4 жыл бұрын

@@storylearning I am at this point with english and funny enough it improves because I talk a lot to people in english and I enjoy to read and learn with english teachers (dancing, music, cardistry, magic etc.) But with Spanish I feel kind of a pressure because I live in Spain and I'm a beginner but I need the language to "survive" here. And I get a feedback (positive and negative) of my learning success everyday. So it is kind of difficult not to care about improvement these days. ;-)

Everything said in that video is only true if you’re studying as a hobby. To monetize your skills, to make language really change something for you like bringing you exciting job opportunity, relocation to somewhere you want to live or win you a few customers in a target country, you need to speak it quite well, b2 wouldn’t do, sometimes c1 would’t

my feeling is the better you get the lesser the amount of things that will motivate you in that language. but that's just fine since you're already able to access so much by that point.

@storylearning

4 жыл бұрын

That’s certainly been my experience

From what I am getting from a lot of these videos is unless you grow up with these languages you will most not be “fluent .” However, just more confident and comfortable over time.

I like your videos :)

A native English speaker......I was humbled when I met some working class Geordies on holiday. Friendly, but I really struggled to follow them.

GOOD

👍

I am quite fluent in Mandarin, but as you were telling your story I thought of a time when I had a whole conversation with a deaf person back home in the US. All I I really remembered of ASL was the alphabet, but when I wasn’t scared away by the fact the lady was deaf and used my awkward slow signs to start a conversation, she lit up and somehow (it still amazes me) we had a really nice chat and a connection. So yes, fluency doesn’t matter nearly as much as that effort to communicate that says I care about you as a person.

1:30 isn't it more that it goes quick in the beginning, then slows down and then (as you get very good) it becomes a bit faster?

How to go from intermediate to advanced level in English?

I see the word troll in the title and get nervous about everything I'm hearing.

@AzrentheLanguageNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Haha I had the same thought 😂

Hi, there. Does anyone know if Olly’s short story books come with audio? Thank you.

@thegreatsalad

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if you search Amazon there is audio too

@romesdiniz5235

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreatsalad Hi, there. Thanks for answering. Have a great day!

Inspired me to carry on with my Russian.

Yes, this is unfortunately the truth. I've been living for over 30 years in Germany now, have studied at university here, and will probably die of old age here , but I know I will never quite reach the fluency that I encounter every day around me from those born and raised here. Having grown up in the USA from German parents has helped with my accent, so many Germans don't quite recognize the American accent, they for some reason think I'm from France.

This is why I like street language. If you say sometng informal ( or better still rude) you will get a smile or laugh of recognition. J'ai le peche is more fun than ca va !

Accurate representation of the learning journey I'd say. I speak Japanese and enjoy chatting to their tourists in London too, hard to find native speakers in the UK. I always apologise for the third world demographics of London, the result of cowardice and treason, and urge them to carefully make their way out of the hellhole to more scenic pastures. It's funny because whilst they would never initiate, once you give permission for criticism they are full of questions on when and how England went totally insane. I am happy to answer, doing some small bit I hope in helping Tokyo escape the fate of 'Londonistan'.

Noone is even "perfect" in their native language. It's not humanly possible to be as there is no language without context and you don't have enough time in your life to get perfect expertise in every field.

@JaredGimbel

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. As a native English speaker and later on an English teacher, there were many times a non-native English speaker taught me an idiom, phrase or even a whole jargon that I never even knew existed.

Hhhmm, i dunno about the look of that curve. Doesnt match up with my experience with german or english at all. Luca lampariello has a video on the "epiphony point" where he describes a similar graph, but its curve hit my subjective experience right on the money. Basically, in both of the languages ive mentioned, there comes a time, after a long while of learning, where your ability just explodes exponentially, the so called epiphony point. your graph doesnt show any of that