*LONG VERSION of DO NOT BLOCK ESTROGEN* kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKNsq6eghMzbirA.html

@bekirsivri80

4 жыл бұрын

if you take higher dose like 250-300 mg a week?

@georgecottell6616

4 жыл бұрын

Still no.

@daarissalaam169

4 жыл бұрын

@@bekirsivri80 noooooo

@reb03lb7

4 жыл бұрын

scorpio scorpion even if you’re running a gram a week, you don’t need an AI

@nicholaslacouture439

3 жыл бұрын

So how high can serum e2 get before it’s bad for erectile function. If it’s 100 is that fine ? I don’t get why all of these videos don’t throw numbers around.

What you guys basically say is that estrogen is good for you and does this and that and we should not block it. But remember that this is for estrogen in the right range, not over the top. Some men need AIs to bring down E2 in range. Too much of E2 is just toxic for a man.

@tongpoo8985

Жыл бұрын

These guys cant hear you theyre fully stuck in their echo chamber. It would be nice if they explored these topics but I dont think they are capable. "Estrogen good" = the whole video. Yes its important for it not to be too low, but if it is too high, far out of range, like it is for many men, should it be brought down with AIs? Id love to know if its worth the side effects

@brandonyoung4910

Жыл бұрын

I take 12mg of aromasin every 2 weeks or so because I get hit with random insomnia that only comes down when I take the aromasin lol

They don't offer any alternative lol, simply state if your Estrogen is high then your doing something incorrectly. I take Arimidex at .5 mgs a week and it puts my E2 in the sweet spot around 25. Without it im around 100 on E2, and holding water like crazy. Same protocol every time and eat super clean. Sorry Gents, not buying what your saying.

@alecpagoria579

4 жыл бұрын

Men with 100 E2 on TRT usually feel great when they give their body time to adjust and adapt to the new hormone levels, and give their body time to stop fluctuating and stabilize. What you're seeing is fluctuation symptoms. When you're not taking your AI, your body is adjusting it's estrogen, and the estrogen is fluctuating. This makes you feel and look like garbage no matter what the reading is. The fluctuations themselves are the enemy, not the actual reading. The AI is keeping your hormones from fluctuating, which, in the long term, is an extremely unhealthy way to go about this. Yeah you feel good and look better, but you would feel just as good if not better without it if you were patient enough to let your body stabilize on a good protocol. Secondly, there is no sweet spot. Aromatization happens in different tissues in the body, such as testes, brain, etc. It's not running around in your blood stream causing symptoms. If your E2 is at 100, that means nothing, because it's being aromatized in the tissues at the levels it needs in regards to your biology and testosterone levels. By blocking it, you are now going against your body's natural processes. That 25 reading is not what's making you feel good, it's that the AI is controlling hormone fluctuations. Like I said, yeah it feels good now, but you can prevent fluctuations in a 1000x more healthy way than these nsaty drugs.

@robertriebel8064

4 жыл бұрын

@@alecpagoria579 , so carry on with a bad ratio? Seriously?

@thatoneguy8493

4 жыл бұрын

AP so I’m starting 160mg cyp a week divided into two shots per week. My dr wants me to take .5mg of arimidex twice a week too on the days of my shots. Can you please elaborate more on how to prevent these hormone fluctuations in a more healthy way opposed to using AIs? Thank you so much !

@jow.c4611

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatoneguy8493 maybe .5 once aweek after 12 24hrs after pinning until u drop bodyfat lean out then experiment how u feel dropping ai with high normal t levels and high e2.

@mahreeohhhh

2 жыл бұрын

What was your injection schedule/ amount. I'm dialing mine in and feel like .5 Aromasin a day after pinning gets me right.

With all due respest this video is utter bullshit. High e2 is known to cause a variety of undesirable side-effects including high BP, gyno, prostate enlargement, heart issues (and eventually death). Low e2 is, of course, also bad for your health. But the video creates confusion by saying you don't want AI because you need e2 in your system. Of couse you need it, at a proper level. AIs help you keep e2 within range. You want to run a proper TRT protocol without monitoring e2 levels? Well, good luck with that.

GREAT video, fellas! Thanks for your tireless efforts!

You guys reinforced what I had been thinking all along. I believe you guys really know what you are talking about and what you are saying here rings true to me.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

Жыл бұрын

Logan Williams Thank you for sharing!

Been looking for info on this for so, long I can't remember when I started looking. Thanks a bunch you guys. Answered all my questions. Makes perfect sense and thanks again for the video. Liked and subscribed.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Did you join our facebook group to get personal help?

@patrickvanmeter2922

4 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization No, but I will. I've never had any problems but was concerned about AIs. I live in Mexico and buy it OTC.

Great stuff fellas!

Excellent video guys ! This is the BEST TRT channel youtube

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Keep sharing!

@jakehahn2457

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍🏼

So happy I found this channel. Just started TRT, and even though it has only been two weeks, I feel awesome. And to get some genuine knowledge in this area, just makes it so much more interesting.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

Love how you went into detail of the BENEFITS of estrogen in males especially.

You guys are great! I am a family practice nurse practitioner who rx a lot of T, and will be opening my own men’s health clinic in the next coupe months. Ik it’s a lot of work and time away from your family doing these videos. Thanks for your time and the passion you guys put into it.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!! Help by sharing our videos, thank you!

I am impressed by the knowledge being shared. Good job Gents!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

+Omar Baradi thanks you!! 👍🏼

oh gosh thank you for this video

@V3NQM69

4 жыл бұрын

You are a girl, right? What is there to gain for you from this video?? lol

Too high estrogen levels contribute to gallstone formation and bile sludge. U don't want both. And an AI may help reduce an enlarged prostate. High estrogen relative to low testosterone may increase prostate size.

@nicklopez6698

Жыл бұрын

Yes but on trt your test level is high lol, for example test level 1100 and e2 is 60, so how it can be bad for your prostate?

Such a great clip I had to watch it 3 times!! Do you guys have a clip about checking estrogen vs estradiol levels? This maybe a bit moot since you has a great analogy of what we are looking at when we are reading e2 levels. Thank you for the great info!!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ypmm53

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization you’re welcome

Always spot on and great information! We need to debunk the "bro-science" associated with E2!! Thank you guys for bringing to the forefront and sharing!!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

This is really irresponsible medical advice. They’re assuming no one corrects dosage volume and frequency and that’s just all you have to do. There are guys doing everything they’re saying and still feel like crap with bad sides. Everyone is different. Should AI’s be avoided if possible, yes. But to say no one should be on them is terrible advice. There is a responsible way to administer an AI without crashing estradiol for men with issues. Watch “never prescribe an AI! Always prescribe an AI” by dr Robert Stevens for a rational take on this these guys have good content but missed the mark by a mile on this topic

If i dont take .25 of arimidex once or twice a week, my estradiol goes too high. However in relation to total and free test which is elevated outside normal limits, the estradiol is also elevated so the ratio remains ok but should e2 still be kept in normal limits?

@bevi69mm82

3 жыл бұрын

Good question

Intresting topic!

Great video. I was looking at doses for an AI because I'm going to take 2 75mg doses of test c a week. I was worried about having too high of e2 but also read that if it's too low you can have issues. I prefer to take as few drugs as I can.

Yes getting proper levels of testosterone can help with estradiol. But that's not always the case. My endo has adjusted my testosterone and hcg over months and no matter what my estradiol is high compared to testosterone. My number one symptom is erectile dysfunction. My brain thinks about sex but the equipment just says nope. AI is the only thing that changes that for me.

What is the relationship between estrogen and blood clots?

Thanks for the information. What is your opinion on taking HCG??

Another great video, I liked the format of having Gil pose/frame a question then Jordan expands and explains. Thanks again!

@liftingdermatologist

4 жыл бұрын

awesome

Guys, I agree with all causes of high E2. But I also feel a junk diet adds to the water tention, bloated feel. I don’t block at all and once I realized those symptoms only last a day or two you no longer pay attention. Thanks for channel

I got really bad side effects without AI. Even though my weight went down 5lbs my waistline went up 1 size. My neck and face also got super puffy. Anxiety got terrible and I couldn't sleep. Could that be because 7 years ago I was 370lbs (now 240 and 270 when I went on TRT) and have a huge number of excess fat cells? Once I get back to 200 (I have visible abs at 200) should I try getting back off AI? I switched to microdosing my TRT as well because I know that should help.

so is HCG cutting HCG something you would suggest to reduce E2? My doc pulled the AI after a conference and changed his perspective on blocking E2. its been months since i stopped but my erection qualify has decrease. my AI is high via blood serum (understanding you guys may not think thats the say all be all) but my e2 was 61

Yes you need. Tried TRT both using AI and not using it. The effects of TRT on me on AI small dosage was far way better then without it. Also too much estrogen will harm the prostate for sure. Guys please control your estrogen levels and never let them go up high normal ranges.

I'm taking 100mg test ever 3.5 days (200mg per week) - I've developed very early symptoms of gyno (I was prone to it even through puberty) Should I be taking 1mg anastrozole (my ai) every pinning day too? Or is this too less / too much? I'm not due to get my bloods checked for another couple of months.

@DrewElderkin

2 жыл бұрын

@Jake Hunter That is correct. This is basically your body telling you it's too high. (I take 200 as well but I do not get that. Everybody is different). Don't bother with an AI just lower it as Jake said.

@thesmartoneification

2 жыл бұрын

If you feel great on 200/week, take a microdose of AI. Lowering your e2 isn't a bad thing.

@dannypopaz7694

Жыл бұрын

Microdose it EOD and lower the dose 125mg per week to start with. Try stay away from ai if possible you rather fix your dosage and injection frequency which could help with e2 symptoms then to take more drugs just to feel good.

So , you mentioned we can actually get E2 spike if we do large amount of HCG. What about something small like 250IU’s a few times a week ? Thx

Gents: Another Great Video!! Keep up the good work!!

@carlzipperman6689

4 жыл бұрын

Shbg "prefers" testosterone

So what do you say to the thousands of people that have gotten gyno from TRT? AI's are sometimes absolutely needed.

I take 2.5 my of Armidex every 5th day, and that keeps my E2 at about 60np. I'm a very fast converter. I have four homozygous slow COMT genes, as well as a homozygous CYP1A1 gene. We're all different, there is no one size fits all. Some of us need an AI or we become an wreck. How is keeping my E2 in the 60's-70's gonna cause heart /cerebral issues..if I'm not crashing it, and it's actually remaining at a "high" level? Btw, when my E2 was last tested in the 60's, that's when I was on Letrozole! So, I would imagine arimidex my levels are higher. I don't think it's a good idea to crash your E2, but what's the harm if it's remaining in a "high " OR moderately "high* level? And why are all these KZread channels suddenly trying to annex the use of AI's ? 🤔

What about if I'm taking 500 iu of hcg twice a week with 100 grams of test P spread out to 3 times a week? I still get a bit bloated... I can feel the increase estrogen on my fingers.. they get thicker and sometimes my fingers go to sleep,..

I know this is only for TRT. But what about PCT for someone coming off? Should you avoid tamoxifen pct? And basically you shouldn’t start any T unless you’re planning on staying on lifelong/long term?

So I took your advise and stopped using the AI altogether. The main reason I did was because the AI seemed to be causing acne. Every time I would take the AI I would break out. I am on 150mg of Test C a week. I can feel signs of high E. I am depressed, fatigued, cloudy, no desire to do anything but lay on the couch....and I also feel my prostate enlarged. I still have a sex drive but the erections are weak. So, I guess my body converts the test to estrogen at a higher rate than most. So it looks like I will be getting back on the AI and try to deal with the acne in a different way.

@translationmultigift2883

Жыл бұрын

Well, according to this shitty video you don't have symptoms, you are just imagining you have them. So don't even think of taking an AI, keep on suffering. :)

Ya trt puts my estrogen to high and when i stop taking ai my blood pressure goes up to 155/95 and my resting heart rate is sround 90-100. I do my cardio too i do a cardio based type work out. Throw in 12.5 asin monday/friday and my bp within a day goes down to 125/75 with a resting heart rate of 55-60 I love when people that dont have estrogen problems talk shit abou AI lol. I dont get pimples or gino or anything. Just bad blood pressure and extreme anxiety. I almost thought maybe it wasnt estrogen and have came off my ai multiple times. And the ai fixes is within a day every single time. So idk what to say. I alread do 15 min of Hiit and 30 min on the stepper after im done lifting 5 days a week. Dont have abs yet but almost. Definitely not the fatty i was a few years ago

@PHATT_TV

Жыл бұрын

@blakemoore1905 Hi mate, I just started trt a week ago (125mg test enanthate & have severe anxiety & panic attacks. My Endocrinologist is on holiday for next 6 weeks too, great. Do you think A1 might help my anxiety too?? I’m considering micro-dosing but I’m almost terrified to pin again & live through this crippling anxiety

Jordan did add a caveat at the end there about symptoms and HCG. Is there a possible use case when on HCG? And do you have any differentiation between reducing oestrogen to zero and a slight reduction to a healthier “range”?

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

No, they absolutely suck and are not smart they just rehash research they dont even fully understand lmao dont take advice from these guys

Great video my freind stay safe greetings from Philadelphia 👍

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Belgium

@liftingdermatologist

4 жыл бұрын

you too, my friend!

Honey bunny when your shooting anything over 200 per week with a high body fat % and no hard training u better be taking a A.i.

@jow.c4611

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly,Which ai is best? aromasin minimum effective dose run it till youre at 10 % bodyfat Then drop it?

@Ron20042004

3 жыл бұрын

Key there is don’t shoot more then 200 mg / week. Less then 200 mg will get you within the right range and not increase unnecessary risks.

@homemuscle

3 жыл бұрын

I'd concur - Even if training hard, I hate crying when I drop things :)

@elduderino1329

3 жыл бұрын

No one needs over 200mg per week unless you want to grow muscle faster. In that case why don't you want to train? It is contradicting. Also if you are fat why don't you just loose that fat?

I don't think a low dosage of of AI if it keeps u below range is so bad for everyone... I mean there must be some people out there who take it and have no issues

@seikahm

2 жыл бұрын

When i was natural my range was 15-25 if i go to 30 im bloated and start to develope gyno so

I'm not on TRT but trying to find a ratio or limit on oestradiol for higher test injections. If I were around 2000 free test from 300mg Test E a week, obviously my oestradiol's will be out of normal range as well, but how do you know what the correct range is without suffering high oestradiol side effects if no AI was taken?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Good question. Come ask in our facebook group, please. Same name as channel. Free contact with all experts.

Another great video, I think men are afraid of gyno tbh, should you just ride out sensitive nips and adjust dose? I know I sought out Anastrozole purely because I lifted my 4th ever shot of TE from 62.5mg to 75mg (pin twice weekly) and next day had sensitive nips. It lasted for a week!! What do we do? Thanks agsin

@BestBud-hr3tu

10 күн бұрын

Blood test for estrogen first. Anastrozole will likely bring your estrogen too low so be careful.

Not everyone wants to be on Facebook ... just FYI.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

I know, and I do not care.

@user-rc6qm7dt4w

4 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization hahaha

I see all of these videos about not taking AI's with TRT and I think it depends on the person,. They're right in that they are NOT NEEDED but if you're having puffy nipples or other high E2 symptoms they're a must for overall health. Remember, high e2 causes weight gain, hair loss, reduces sleep quality, cause heart issues, etc. so it's important that things are in balance. It is possible to have a high T of let's say a 1000 and have E2 at say 60 (higher than the reference) and still be healthy and feel normal so it's very subjective. To say don't worry about E2 and focus on just androgens is probably not a wise idea unless you're someone who doesn't aromatase a lot. If you're having symptoms you absolutely need to focus on it until you feel better.

@thesmartoneification

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This video is full of misinformation.

Great work…

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

Great video!! Over 75% of the men on HRT need to see this. I think at least 15-20% know this info. The other are doing the right thing indirectly because they cannot afford an AI. Let’s not forget some of the negative issues of AI too.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

@matthewbowers6178

2 жыл бұрын

I am on an AI and feel worse than death. I stopped it immediately this week after being on .5mg twice a week of anostrozole for the last 5 weeks. Funny thing is my labs came back within range and my e2 was 26. They used the roche method and not a sensitive test of course. Been complaining of the symptoms of low e2 and side affects of anostrozole for the last 3 weeks and they just keep saying stick with it. I'm so frustrated, they are treating the paper and not me!

Once again everybody is different because I was splitting my low dose twice a week injections and stopped my ai… what a mistake!!! Moody , depressed , brain fog , no libido…etc… I started back on the ai and woke up with a kickstand! Energy is amazing and pain and brain fog is gone!!! How is this explained?

@nathanhill8448

2 жыл бұрын

The guys in the video are going to say you’re taking too much test.

@redarmy1778

2 жыл бұрын

how much aI? Anastroloe or aromasin?

@anaheimstcruiser2996

2 жыл бұрын

@@redarmy1778 What works for me is half a pill of Nolvadex every other day and I split my 125 mg test into three shots a week also every other day 💪🏼 I’m not a doctor, nor am I giving any advice, I’m merely letting you know what works for me🙏🏼

@georgecottell6616

2 жыл бұрын

Novladex (tamoxifen) is a SERM. A SERM is not an Aromatase Inhibitor.

I am a 63 yo Male in super shape low body fat muscular etc. Been on trt for a year combined with dhea. Was fine for the majority of the time. Latest lab results show high estradiol at least based on the standard levels. Doc added anastrazole and since then I have had sleep issues so e joint pain and almost zero libido. Previously no problem. I'm guessing the anastrazole is screwing things up?

@stewartclark8760

Жыл бұрын

Too high a dose probably. What was your estrogen level and what dose of adex have you been taking?

@earlusmcdivett

Жыл бұрын

You’re 63. Talk to you Dr about cialis. AI has nothing to do with sleep.

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

​@Earlus Mcdivett it absolutely does? How would cialis help with sleep either? Jesus no-one here understands or knows science LOL crushing your estrogen out of no where will absolutely cause sleep issues bud.

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

Dont take 1mg every day like im sure they prescribed. Take .5 once or twice a week to start and see how things feel or test levels and keep going up slightly in dose until you find the minimum effective dose

@naegleriafowleri2230

Жыл бұрын

Get off that dude lmao

Damn this channel has some seriously useful information that you cant find easily, very nice

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, @dinosaurmonkey6867 I appreciate that, please help by sharing this video around!

Impressive his point of view, clarifixes some things about the failure of my trt 5 years ago. TT 1500 TFree 29 E2 32 Shbg 23 Dht 266 I felt so bad about TRT that I gave up. After that I gained weight and developed lipomastia, very low energy,it takes me 4 days or more to recover after training. I feel like an old man, and I'm 39 years old. Below my last laboratory exams. TT 306 E2 29 Shbg 15 Dht 248 Now I decided to try again, dr started with nebido (every 8 weeks) and 250mg durateston (10 in 10 days). Supplements 2g Tribulus, 1g Mucuna, 1g maca, 5mg tadalafil, saw palmeto 600mg. Could any of these supplements decrease estrogen? Composition of Durateston Testosterone propionate: 30 mg. Testosterone fempropionate: 60 mg. Testosterone isocaproate: 60 mg. Testosterone decanoate: 100 mg. Sorry for my English, I'm Brazilian.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Please join our facebook group, you'll get answers from the docs in there.

@michaelroberts1862

Жыл бұрын

Why the fuck are you doing injections every 8 weeks? Either do them twice weekly or expected side effects and bad labs.

Excellent!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

Unless you're naturally estrogen dominant, (which is an epidemic amongst men thanks to environmental toxins) if you are then you should cycle natural AI's when boosting test naturally or synthetically. Yes its true estrogen is not bad, you need some, but high estrogen is bad, even if your test is high, high estrogen is still bad, even if e2 goes higher when you boost test, its still bad to have too much estrogen as a man, yes you need some, but you need the correct ratio for you.

So in this case, the best move would be: 1st option: spacing up the doses? (200mg twice a week or EOD) 2nd option: lowering the dose? would that be it in order to fix the high estradiol and low libido?!

@LamouR1337

2 жыл бұрын

Splitting the dosage is the biggest solution when your estrogens are high. I was on shitty protocol and pined 200mg/14 days and i was angry, without libido even with ai. Now i pin every day without any ai and my libido became much higher

@AverageGamerz4Life

Жыл бұрын

​@muthaphukinlol what's your weekly dose?

What is your take/opinion on DIM supplementation to address/balance estrogen?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

We do not balance E in this group. We made many videos to explain exactly why: start here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKNsq6eghMzbirA.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpZ2x4-AhLudaJc.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/kXaN1KNpnLvAY84.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6iql7pxd9rcdKw.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4edy7aQoNi3iaQ.html and

Should or do I even need AI on 200 mg a week considering my estrogen was low last week with lab work and I haven’t even had my first injection. Would love ur feed back.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

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@philmilligan7666

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in the same boat. Just started at 200. I’m using .25 Arimidex one a week for now and seeing how I feel.

From your own sources: "Effects of excess E2 in men Excess exposure to estrogens in men can cause gynecomastia..." "Gynecomastia is the most consistent effect of excess exposure to estrogens in boys and men." "AIs and antiestrogens are also clinically useful in boys and men with gynecomastia due to E2 excess"

@UshutupProductions

Жыл бұрын

exactly

My estradiol is 89.6 with total at 827, free at 17.5 and SHGB at 34.8. I feel fine but doc wants ai .25 once every 2 weeks. I'm on .4 2x a week of T and 500iu hcg 3x week. I feel fine a bit oiler skin and a bit swelling in extremities. Any thoughts?

@ypmm53

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Stay away from AI. Consider getting off HCG especially if you have kids and don’t want kids or just don’t want kids OR you had a vasectomy. Most don’t need to be on HCG. As the guy stated in this video sometimes HCG can cause I fluctuations in estradiol.

@bevi69mm82

3 жыл бұрын

@@ypmm53 should I go to 3x a week? I only went on HCG to avoid atrophy. I took the .25 last week next is not for another week (every 2 weeks). I hate the thought of it and I feel like my mood changed.

@ypmm53

3 жыл бұрын

@@bevi69mm82 one, what is the issue with atrophy? You can still ejaculate. No one has ever said if his balls weren’t so small, I would screw him. Two, if you don’t want kids or had a vasectomy, you don’t need to be on HCG. Lastly, if you truly need to be on HCG, 250IUs twice a week should suffice.

@bevi69mm82

3 жыл бұрын

@@ypmm53 that was the only issue shrinkage. I already have kids, no more. I'll get off it.

@ypmm53

3 жыл бұрын

@@bevi69mm82 unless your urologist or endocrinologist see a need for it, why take something else that can cause increase in aromatization or elevated estradio? Good luck!

My doctor prescribed 100mg 1x a week but I split it into 2. I asked about sub q and he was thrown off because it's only supposed to go in the muscle according to him. 😂 Well I want to try it out, is 2x a week ok or should I pin more often if I go sub q instead of IM?

@SamClarkschannel

2 жыл бұрын

Subq is so dumb.

@jackkhol4251

Жыл бұрын

@@SamClarkschannel Why? SUB Q works great. I'm on week 10 .

Hi i get 125ml of sustanon every 2 weeks and i have all the 5 symptoms from your video "when you are taking to much" i have no libido, bad sleep, high hemoglobin and hema with symptoms, anxiety (esp after vitamin D), feeling lethargic. my bloodtest is done at the end of week 2, before my next dose and showing test 350ng/DL. Can the dose still be to high for me? as symptoms go away at the end before my next dose.. Is it possible i'm just really sensitive to it? When i get my next shot i always feel worse.... Like is has reversed affect.. Sorry for bad english i"m from belgium.

@chriswhynder8311

3 жыл бұрын

dose is probably too low

@RickAstleyLetMeDown

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriswhynder8311 ty for reply but my hemo and hematicrit is way to high.. taking more is no option as i had several how do you say that in english..they put a needle to drain the excess blood.

@datpspguy

3 жыл бұрын

How often are you pinning and how long have you been on the TRT program?

So why are they giving me the AI then? And HCG too if it's not needed. I just started TRT this week so I'm really trying to learn all this stuff. I just turned 40 and my natural level was at 87.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

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@juzaus300

3 жыл бұрын

Hcg is good for keeping your testes functioning

wtf, i have to feel like shit and be a fucking mashmellow waterballon with abs? no way

I think blocking it with nolva preventing the gyno is the way to go unless it really gets out of control and you’re curled up with chocolate needing a midol

I seen natural supplements, testostirone booster mixed with 50 mg Arimistane. Arimistane kills of the enzymes that converts testostirone into estrogen. And nowhere, no one in internet has the possibility to give answear to if body will be able to produce new aromatse enzymes after you used something like 50 mg arimistane. And will body produce new aromate enzymes? And what happens if you use tongkat ali daily and then use supplement mix with 50mg arimistane 1 or 3 times / weekly? Would that be safe? Great video and great topic, worth watching!!!!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

Жыл бұрын

Filip1ve Thank you for sharing!

@Filip1ve

Жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Does anyone know if body can produce, will produce and will be able to produce new aromatse enzymes after you used Arimistane that kills of aromatse enzymes? There is not a single soul that can answear!

Even when using superphysiological amounts of testosterone an AI is still not needed? Or are we talking just on trt dosages.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

TRT

@montepr803

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Thank you sir for answering my question.

@jeffpack1502

3 жыл бұрын

thats what my DR said too. I just got bloodwork at 46 on T RT, so I'm hitting an AI to get back into mid 30s which works well for me.

This is a stupid ass statement! I'm on TRT and super sensitive to testosterone,,, everyone is different,,this is crazy

@Quintanaroo2117

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, without an AI my libido is hard to manage. I've done everything possible to control e2.

I’ve been doing 30mg s/c daily and blood work is way in the normal zone I was thinking of adding 25 mg of proviron but I’m sure yet but everyone I talk to say it’s a great wingman and great for cutting? Anyone know Great 👍 video thanks 🙏 for all the hard work guys I’m 56 and diet train hard been at it for 35 years

Blocking e2 as in completely crashing it is not good but decreasing an elevated level to within limits is ok? Right? Or... Lets say the limit for e2 is 100 and limit for test is 700. On trt you get to 1400 on test so therefore going to 200 on e2 is ok? Or should e2 still be kept around 100?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

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@akuma4u

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization ya not gonna pay for a membership. Thanks anyways

@SuperDurkadurkastan

3 жыл бұрын

It's really hard to say because I had my endo prescribed me 1.5mg/week, and by the end of my TRT, I was at 20 for E2. I'd honestly say it fucking ruined my sex drive, but that's their ideal goal level. I'd personally recommend playing it by ear if you're on basic TRT like I was (100mg/week). That level is so low that it's probably take a month for your body to aromatise enough estrogen to have an effect. Since coming off TRT, I don't think I'd ever take arimidex ever again if I went back on. It's just ruins your sex drive.

@akuma4u

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperDurkadurkastan that is incompetence from your doc. Ill be honest mine also tried to get me to take 1mg arimidex per fucking day! At most u need .5mg a damn week! So yes your e2 crashed and thats not good. I believe i read the ratio should be kept 1:7 e2 to free testosterone or e2 to total. I forgot. .25mg a week of arimidex usually is enough for most guys. I notice many times if i forget to take arimidex for a few weeks then take it, the next morning i get a good quality morning wood erection. I think due to the e2 going down a bit it creates a better proper hormonal environment.

@comrademike8853

2 жыл бұрын

@@akuma4u

no one is saying shut down e2 completely,,keeping it in check is extremely important unless you want gyno,,,,i found out the hard way

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

+joe blow I read your 3 comments. Please enter/join our free FB and/or MeWe group (same name as this channel) to discuss things further there. You write you are confused. Let’s clear things up.

@TheDannyBossaPodcast

3 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? We will be doing a doctor's roundtable on February 6th with at least 5 physicians discussing this topic. We're not talking about shutting it down. You should not be blocking it AT ALL. Watch the video and learn. No, E2 isn't the cause of gyno.

Sorry. Estrogen is indeed on a negative feedback loop and will self regulate. But injecting exogenous testosterone negate this effect. For example: a doctor might at first attempt to treat a hypogonadal man by Rx 1mg of adex DAILY (I’m not in favor of this but it does happen). Why would they do this? Because suppressing estrogen will lead the body to produce more testosterone so it can fill the deficit of estrogen by some of it converting to estrogen. Negative feedback loop and IT WONT (in almost all cases) crash your e2. What happens when you take an excess of ai while on trt? You crash your estrogen because that feedback loop doesn’t work. Unless I’m missing something big here you’ve used faulty science.

Très instructif

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Merci!

I got on test c about 2 years ago. My e2 went to above 80. My Dr put me on ai 1 mg daily. My e2 is now 25.

Is it possible that no matter what a person on trt does to lower estrogen naturally they still might need an aromatase inhibitor?

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2 жыл бұрын

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@GD-tn3ez

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you’re injecting more oil than a 2-cycle engine lol 😂

@thesmartoneification

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that is possible.

My endocrinologist explained that to much testosterone will convert to estrodial so simply dont over do it by taking to much testosterone. It won't benefit you.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

*Thanks* !👍

I am taking 50 mg eod test e. And i am getting itchy nips. I seemed to be fine untill week 10 of trt. I also had gyno surgery 10 weeks ago and gland removal but the little but of gland that was left is swollen and itching . What do i do

@imeldomarcos4126

3 жыл бұрын

Your test dose is too high.

Ok, well what if your levels are 58.4 ng/dl, this is way above the normal range. Still don't take it? And out of curiosity, is testosterone 1670 ng/dl way too high, I have been taking .3ml 3x per week in the thigh of Cyp, and now I am going to downshift to .2ml 3x/week and see what happens in a month.

@Triggernometry7

2 жыл бұрын

.3ml of 200mg/ml cypionate is 180mg per week sorry brother but your doctor is a retard. you should be on no more then 125mg per week or you're going to have a bad time. in rare cases some people can get away with 150mg per week and not have their lipids negatively affect but that is very rare.

Dr. Rand McClain has more patients and experience with TRT than anyone else, and he likes to keep E2 in the normal range regardless of how high Total or Free T is. By keeping E2 in check, you also decrease SHBG, which means more Free T, which is where the magic is. The problems occurs when E2 is too low (under 20).

@mehmetakif5842

2 жыл бұрын

My Shbg is around 23, is that OK? 😁

@deyvidsousa

2 жыл бұрын

O melhor de todos

I am a 58 year old man who has been on TRT (.75mg enanthate / 1 x every 7 days only) for 4 years. Two years ago I found myself becoming very emotional (weepy watching war movies, like that) and (I know this sounds strange) the actual word "suicide" would flash in my mind several times a week. To be clear, I wasn't thinking of harming myself, I googled why a happy person would think that, life was awesome (single, motorcycles, living in Greece, hard workouts, dating younger women, etc). I mentioned this to the endocrinologist and he prescribed me 0.5 arimidex / 1 x every other week. Within 2 weeks of taking it the 'suicide' thought just went away I and began enjoying my war movies the way men are supposed to. Oo-rah! It was his medical opinion that the testosterone had raised my estrogen level just enough to have that effect and the low-level arimidex was enough to take care of it. I'd be happy to hear any counter-comment or suggestion.

@averagewheyenjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with man crying

I took clomid and tamoxifen as a PCT... Had anxiety, panic attacks, fatique, malaise... For 3 weeks. Every blood test was ok... So, never again.

I agree you dont need an AI. especially if you micro dose often and subq injections help as well.

Been reading a lot of these comments and I'd like to remind people that this is a KZread comment section, not a pubmed article. Be safe brothers!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

Жыл бұрын

👍😎

what if i have a lump forming?

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

Dont listen to these guys ever

So the aromatase enzyme is not made in adipose tissue? Is that correct?

@elevatemensclinic8448

4 жыл бұрын

It is made in many different tissues, at varying amounts.

Just got blood work back. Im 59 and on TRT, doing 125mg of Testosterone a week. My estradiol was 55.5 pg/ml. My Testosterone level was 700, do i need to take and estrogen blocker, looking at taking DIM.

@robertborgeson1821

Ай бұрын

Did you ever end up trying dim? The guys we are watching don't approve of it but I don't agree with their take on estrogen in general. I just started low dose dim and it has cleared up my acne. Curious to know if it's working for you

i took .25 anastrozole 2 months ago and i've been a panic-stricken insomniac ever since, with strange sensations in my head and chest, muscle twitches and vertigo. I can hardly work. I know it has a half life of 3 days but it seems to have significantly altered my head somehow. Stay far far away

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@2BaSedP0l0Swagq

4 жыл бұрын

Why did you take it? You probably crashed your estrogen wether your on TRT or not. Most guys take an AI and dont even need it on TRT.

@eyybc

4 жыл бұрын

KodakBlacksBrain i was on trt for a few months and one day noticed a strange soreness in my chest that was centered on the nipples. I thought oh shit, must be the estrogen spike. Took 0.25mg of anastrozole. It’s been a constant nightmare since

@alecpagoria579

4 жыл бұрын

@@eyybc You are just like me. I went through this as well. I had tingling in my nerves, dizziness, panic attacks, etc after a small dose of AI. It lasted for a few months. Just don't ever touch it again, keep your testosterone level, and it will come back. The reason it takes some people so long to recover, like you and I for example, is we do not aromatize very heavily. We don't naturally produce a lot of estrogen so when we crash our estrogen, it's a longer ride to get back to normal. This is why small doses in the first place absolute destroy us. You will get better as long as you just never touch it again. Your estrogen will not stay permanently low as the testosterone in your body WILL aromatize into the estrogen it needs. For the panic attacks, keep this in mind. You are not dying. Nothing is seriously wrong with you. You tanked a hormone that is VERY important to brain function, so now your neuro chemistry is messed up. However, you are not dying, you are not sick. You just need to let that hormone stabilize to get your cognitive function back.

@eyybc

4 жыл бұрын

AP thanks, that’s basically what I’m doing. I think I further aggravated the situation by stopping the trt altogether for a couple weeks after it all began, thus maybe causing another crash or just destabilizing my endo system so badly. At the time I just didn’t know what to do since I constantly felt like I was on an airplane spiraling out of control. I’m back on low dose trt for the last few weeks and am getting slow improvement; panic attacks have leveled out and gone, but i’m still an insomniac and need Ambien to fall asleep, after much pleading with my PCP. Head occasionally feels like there are pop rocks candy going off inside 🤷

To say that nobody needs an AI is ridiculous. Some people do. I take a small amount of anastrozole but if I don't, my e2 gets way too high and I get all the symptoms of such.

@kurtismartin8986

2 жыл бұрын

What’s your dosage frequency?

@davincibz1

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@georgecottell6616

2 жыл бұрын

Except, no.

@TheSavageB

2 жыл бұрын

My doctor said I didin't need a blocker at all, 100mg a week, plus a DHEA tab a day. I did t400 for twelve weeks and felt no symptoms from that, thinking I will be fine. Its all about doing your bloodwork and going from there.

What are your guys thoughts on Nolvadex and Clomid during TOT?

@ypmm53

3 жыл бұрын

Clomid has mostly been used as part of PCT or to help turn your testes back on after being on a cycle or trying to get off HRT. Which I believe once you are on in most instances cannot get off. Unless you may have been severely obese and your testosterone was low from that and now, you lost a ton of fat and maybe able to produce your own test. Nonetheless, clomid is not usually part of any HRT. In addition, I recently been learning of some bad side effects that clomid has. Nolvadex is a estrogen blocker. Your body is still aromatizing test to estradiol. However, since it’s preventing receptors from using the estrogen, your body is not absorbing it. I still am trying to learn a bit about nolvadex. Either way, I don’t believe nolvadex, clomid nor AI should be part of HRT. Those who claim of having a lot of estrogen or e2 elevation need to lower their dosage. I don’t believe most need more than 60-80mg of test per week. Now, you are one that works out hard 3-5 days a week, etc., even then, 200mg/week May still not be needed. You have to cater the dosage to yourself. Please be mindful that the goal of HRT is to reverse signs and symptoms of low test while replacing test levels AND minimize side effects of HRT. It shouldn’t be an exchange of high test and new sides. It’s a balance act that varies by individuals. The key is document and take blood work. Compared to how your feel. Good luck!

Hoping to get and answer, I am 32 on TRT since I abused steroids as a young man. I’m on .8 cip a week. For past year , if I stop taking my AI and continue my doses. Do I still do my HCG after cycle , and do I add any other remedies to the test cip or just shoot and live. Thanks!

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

Dont fucking raise your estrogen to super high levels 24/7 365. Youll be a bloated mess crying at movies and have stomach issues

@AverageGamerz4Life

Жыл бұрын

​@Owen1997 what do you consider high E2 for trough?

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

@TruthWillFlow it would depend on where your testosterone is at. If you have 1500-2000 test then id imagine 50-90mg estrogen would be very normal and not represented the same as if you have 700 test and 90 estrogen. Its a balanced amount in saying

@AverageGamerz4Life

Жыл бұрын

@Owen1997 my current total t was 879 and my e2 was 45. I was doing really good the last few months and now I have ed and weak erections. Also, cant lose belly fat and was having hot flashes again. Thinking it has something to do with e2 possibly.

Ben Affleck double for sure. Great video as well!

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

I had lipo and full gland removal gyno surgery and stayed on trt at 120 mg test c per week and my nipples are once again itchy from not using an ai. So what do i do if im not using an ai?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

Please come and discuss this in our TRT and Hormone Optimization Facebook group (it's free, and all the experts are in there).

@marcusmazdaboy

3 жыл бұрын

I'd bump that dose up to 200

@Waltonslots

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcusmazdaboy what will that do

@marcusmazdaboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Waltonslots there's not a lot of research but anecdotal evidence suggests that a right balance of estrogen to testosterone reduces these symptoms. So 120mg might be too little for you.

@TaylorTEK

3 жыл бұрын

@@Waltonslots Some people just get it super easy and normally the higher the dose the more it converts to estrogen! I personally would just run a small amount of ai and you can up your dose of test if thats what u want or bump your test down to 100 and see how that is. I personally would not recommend upping it if your already getting pre-gyno symptoms. There are guys that can get away without using Ais but there are also tons that cant. Also make sure your test levels are stable because that will cause issues with estrogen as well. I pin twice a week subQ no issues i do 200mg a week and my level is 1500! so idk wtf this guy is talking about in the video on paper he may be right but in the real world SubQ works just as good if not better at least for me as i get bad muscle pain if i do IM i did it for a year and once i switched to subQ everythings been perfect. Just my two cents talk to your doc and do your own research before you listen to someone on yourtube or especially there comment section even me!

What about people that do bodybuilding at ultra high blasting levels of many drugs? Shouldn't they use it?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

2 жыл бұрын

This is clearly about TRT

@rrrreefer9721

2 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization I'm simply asking for people like them? I'm just a TRT guy. Sheesh

Ok guys check it out. I am 1 month into my cycle or Test E. I do 100mg on Monday and 100mg on Thursday. 200mg total a week. I have not done AI as I was reading starting my cycle that I will not need AI with 200mg of Test a week. If I was to do 300mg a week I still may be ok but even if i did 300 or 400mg per week, are we agreeing that no AI is needed? Are we saying that I should only be using the TRT and nothing else? Lets keep it simple here for the noobs. I have been reading and researching as best as I can from what the internet can offer but as we know. Lots of misinformation is out there. Thanks to all the experienced for answers. Great video really. Subbed and rang the bell. Cheers.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

4 жыл бұрын

Join our facebook group to get answers to personal stuff, please!

I feel horrible after taking a quarter pill of Anastrole. Tired, weak. Throws my hormones way off. Not good.

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

3 жыл бұрын

That's why we recommend against it

@philortega6516

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization A Dr. Should make that choice based off lab work.

I've been on TRT for almost 2 years now. I typically run 120-140mg test per week split into two doses every 3.5 days. I've been running 1mg arimidex with each shot. My memory, concentration and mood have never been worse. I thought maybe I have a build-up of beta-amyloid in my brain from poor sleep, but now I'm starting to wonder if the reduction of estrogen over time is actually the cause of the poor memory and depression? Any thoughts on this? Thanks...

@mosesgeorges8533

2 жыл бұрын

This happened to me the the first time I took a A1 1mg my mood got worse and it's been hard to sleep I feel like my head hurts and it's inflamed

@aaronaustin9814

2 жыл бұрын

With that dose arimadex would make you virtually have 0 estradiol which is a no no get off that shot asap I got off cold turkey anc within 3 weeks my concentration sleep and mood shot up

@loscriticssupreme931

2 жыл бұрын

My TRT online clinic provided an AI however the doc told me unless I start feeling or seeing symptoms don't take it. If I need to take it then .5 mg twice a week when I inject. I inject .5 mg of test cyp twice a week and have felt great so far. Staying up to date on my labs.

@OGAesthetics

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a crazy high ai dose holy fuck. I assume u went off right?

@loscriticssupreme931

2 жыл бұрын

@@OGAesthetics Just a question. What symptoms exactly am I looking for to use an AI?? I'm borderline obese but slowly trimming down on TRT. I can't tell if I'm growing breast tissue because I already have Man boobs lol. Unless I'm breaking out in severe acne or something what are the usual symptoms of high estrogen or conversion?

So if I’m not mistaken, and it’s a subject that is easy to get lost in, the answer to my sore chest & fatigue, is to the increase injection frequency & adjust dose. Unfortunately I have gone from self administering weekly to test under doctor’s guidance & my doctor is adamant that I was overusing/abusing test & must reduce injections from once a week to once a month. You seem to be saying that I need to go twice a week, lower dose. Judging by my doc’s advice so far, she will not go for that

@BigStrick02

2 жыл бұрын

Once a month test injections?? That would be miserable 😖

@wwtf7180

2 жыл бұрын

Test deca is recommended once a month due to long half-life so I’m told.

I'm starting to believe you guys patients is a gift of God.these guys who don't wanna watch a video of an hour for thy're own health i don't get that. I selfmedicate and never used an AI .even i watch every video fully you guys bring out just because i'm interested and i wanna learn.achhh app generation everything has to come yesterday and without effort and spoonfed.in the past i was on other trtforums where thy advocated for AI's and very rarely i saw a post of a guy gave testimony of how great he feld, it was always the same returning posts of problems.

Confused. within 4 weeks of being on TRT I got Gyno. 1 week on Anastrozol and it was gone. I believe in balance, if free test is at 1000 what should estodials be? I think around 60???

@thesmartoneification

2 жыл бұрын

Some people aromatize way more than others. This video is doing way more harm than good. I've known multiple ppl to get gyno on low dose trt. Danny isn't a doctor, he's a guy that's on a permanent cycle and pretends he's on TRT but still looks like shit AND HAS GYNO HIMSELF LOL.

@jackkhol4251

Жыл бұрын

@@thesmartoneification What aren't you understanding? He knows you might get Gyno. So fucking what? Cut it out. He's saying AI's are way more dangerous than Gyno. Like heart attacks.

@Owen-C1997

Жыл бұрын

​@Jack khol okay high estrogen enough to cause gyno means youre holding a lot of water around your heart and also making your heart work harder to pump because your blood pressure is now high from high estrogen, leading to... wait for it... RISK OF HEART ATTACK BUD! lmaooo.

I'm starting TRT next week and my Estradiol is already at 34pg/ml. Hell yes I'm going on Anastrazole.

@nosirrahx

2 жыл бұрын

If they have you on .25 once a week, consider .10 every 3rd day. Same 1.00 over 28 days but much more stable levels.

Hi I feel good with estrogen but my gyno from puberty gets stimulated unless I use an AI. I need HCG for fertility and enjoy it as well. Can I take low dose raloxifene instead of an AI?

@TRTandHormoneOptimization

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, better than an AI for sure

@dannyd938

2 жыл бұрын

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization thank you!

@IamPsybo

2 жыл бұрын

@Lasse Hørup Hansen why not

@joeschmoe435

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannyd938 How often are your injections? I also of slight gyno from puberty and had to switch to pinning eod early on in my protocol. Haven't had an issue since. It's the inconsistent balance between T and E that causes issues.

@dannyd938

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeschmoe435 good info. I have tried MWF, EOD, and ED. Every day is best, but the Hcg stimulates my gyno no matter what. I decided idc anymore I’ll let it grow lol