Benchmark Reborn.

@caodogao4327

2 ай бұрын

Your joke made my day XD

@TheMetalfreak360

2 ай бұрын

@@caodogao4327 Glad to make you happy.

It's not just the benchmark though. The changes Yoshi P is talking about will also apply to the in game character creator, so it's important they get it right. In effect, the benchmark is a beta test for the in game character creator, which is the first thing new players see.

While it may seem insignificant, the benchmark show cases the new visual upgrade. I think it should show off the best possible look for your character.

"Double the polys?" *first thought: Hildebrand*

@raffibart705

2 ай бұрын

If you double Brandihilds Polygons is he just gonna turn into Hildibrand? *ponders*

@yanipheonu

2 ай бұрын

They just become a really high resolution box

Here's the thing: the devs would fix problems if everyone provided feedback. The 'YOSHIP KILLED MY BUNNY' community raging is, as ALWAYS, completely unhelpful.

Yeh, not worried at all. But glad they're aware and responded so people will calm down.

Oooh, someone explained my AuRa face 4 problem nicely. My biggest problem was the lips side shape. it changed quite a bit. Luckily this is not pokemon go.

i remember when he use realism model derplander and people start to freak out. That is derplander in term of lightning and model really really good like nearly new engine graphic. but dev don't want to push that too far because people do not want their characters to change too much.... I would say this... sometime we need to get rid of old things to make new and later adapt old to new. They stop to make new race to increased dept of character so... pls people need to calm down little. it right thing to give them feedback but do not use bad word yell at them.

Just a small reminder. The benchmark is essentially a tech demo. So do I think it was scuffed, yes. Do I also believe the community overreacted to the tech demo? Yes.

11:10 from shader perspective, those are the same gloss. Just different glossiness on one material (face) controlled by a texture map to tell which part is more or less gloss (which could also be later adapted following certain condition like being wet). They already had the glossiness map in the past. They wouldn't just take that away. The problem here is that with the new way to represent the material, the glossiness didn't showed at all. You look at the character creation and then look back at the 14 hours stream where he show a dungeon wet floor. This update is capable of display a very detailed glossiness than before, but that would require a high detail lighting and environment, which is not present in the old graphics and the character creator.

Why did it take me 5 minutes to realize Zepla was saying bunchmark on purpose😅

Glad they are listening to feedback 💜 letting everyone create characters with the new graphics and old creator just doesn’t make sense, dragging down all their hard work. I look forward to seeing the update.

6:30 Reminds me of the scene in Loki: "Is this more important than preventing a Temporal Loom meltdown" (paraphrasing the quote).

ive seen some really bad comparisons where they used different lighting lvls, angles etc that make the feed back look like just trolling. but this is a lot better of have the same screenshots to show the differences. im glad they are open to fix the character creator and benchmark toon creator.

They need to give dev time to adding butt slider so I have big olde time era butt. 😊😊😊

@anydaynow01

2 ай бұрын

Yep that original Miqo'te bottom was perfect, they need to bring it back!

Glad to see they're receptive to feedback. I just hope that next month when we see the job changes, that we'll see some changes based on the feedback given across all of EW. Make healers fun again!

@TFB100

2 ай бұрын

wishful thinking, but it would be great if healers weren't a snoozefest anymore

@v.v.3887

2 ай бұрын

Honestly based. Healers, summoner, dark knight... there are a lot of jobs where the devs clearly aren't listening to those jobs' core audience. GL dragoon and astro mains. May the rework gods be with you.

@Astroastromancer

2 ай бұрын

@@v.v.3887as an Astro main I fear 😢 I hope they don't mess it up

@miatomi

2 ай бұрын

LOL

I like my new miqo so much. I hope that they dont change the things i liked.

@Skyvernn

2 ай бұрын

What exactly do you like about the miqo changes? I'm of a completely different view and dislike the changes to my own miqo especially with the eyelashes. It completely altered the cute charm that I made her around using the eyes I chose.

@UnashamedlyHentai

2 ай бұрын

​@@SkyvernnI like most of the miqo changes. The lashes are a minor gripe, as is my missing lip gap. My teeth have been filed and that makes me sad. The pale clan marks are a lighting issue, I think, so i not worried there. Otherwise, I love the changes. I think the eyes look MUCH better. The face is more expressive. The cheeks look just a bit fuller, or maybe softer. The skin looks great. The teeth - minus shaving my fangs - look very good. Half of my niggles are lighting issues. The others are minor things that are the kind of change that I expected, like closing the lip gap. The fangs are the only real concern, and that doesn't ruin it by any means. It's 100 steps forward and like 5 steps back. That's still a gain of 95 steps.

@akirablackheart6811

2 ай бұрын

@@Skyvernn Okay i need to say that i dont have a cute Miqo. I do the Cool Adventure Type. I like the Eye changes the reflection with the light and all the details. The lipcolor dark is so cool with the matte look. I didnt like the old glossy look. As i watched the benchmark i was completely blown away.

@Skyvernn

2 ай бұрын

@UnashamedlyHentai I'm certainly hoping the markings came down to a lighting issue. For me the eyes are rather important as that was arguably the first thing I noticed about my character in the benchmark where I was put off by it. Definitely is a situation where some people like changes and others don't. In an ideal situation the character creator would have more options rather than changing existing things with no replacements.

@Skyvernn

2 ай бұрын

@akirablackheart6811 That's understandable everyone has a different vibe to their character. For me personally I preferred the old lips but it's interesting to see that you like the new version more. Change can be good. Though for most people who are upset it's due to forced change with no replacement options. Lot's of players myself included grew used to flaws in our characters designs. As an example you could use the face 4 miqo with the smudged nose. In the benchmark version the smudge is toned down and while new people may appreciate that others might not having originally chosen it for that characteristic charm.

Aitherea was right. Justice for Aitherea.

@IKIGAIofficial

2 ай бұрын

Lol

@seishuundegrace2713

2 ай бұрын

get help

@boehan605

2 ай бұрын

@@seishuundegrace2713 for what

God has spoken. The problems ARE real.

Justice for auras😂

My literal thoughts of the benchmark was omg this is sooo much better than the base game i no longer meed hd texture mods as much. Hope they fix certain issues like the eyes for the actual release. Cant wait. But people got carried away. The benchmark was supposed to be a tech demo test. The fact he even had to address this is crazy to me. We dont deserve yoshi p

Off topic, but what top is Zepla wearing at 1:24?? It looks familiar but I can't place it.

This whole controversy since the benchmark release has been utterly entertaining. NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE 😂

I just want better color options for eyes and lips. More vibrant options, moreso for lips in this regard. I swear every lip color is very diluted. I can't have a red lip matching my character, it's like.... red/pink or on the complete opposite end where it's both too dark and also just weird shades in general

I think YoshiP quoted "Lifeless" eyes because that's how a lot of players are describing them and not that he necessarily feels that way.

@UnashamedlyHentai

2 ай бұрын

100%

@j0kerclash289

2 ай бұрын

It's a professional standard to quote key words when discussing aspects of a topic that are reliant on the statements of someone else. In this case, the most pronounced feedback from consumers, which means it has little to do with his actual opinion in either direction beyond the fact that he agrees it's necessary to act on that feedback.

@horror-muppet

2 ай бұрын

@@j0kerclash289ya that’s basically what I’m saying.

I'm wondering if the Au Ra lips and nose scales will be normal again then? The new lips on face 4 REALLY looks downgraded and felt like it was the mesh that was changed for worse and not really lighting issue + lipstick was worsened too. Regardless I'd still keep playing! Still looks pretty enough, just nerfed.

Where to find the post on 3:08? anyone got the link? oh found it.

Could absolutely believe that it's breaking our "imagination" filter, and we need to wait for a mental update. Would also explain why we can't see the described issues when looking at other peoples characters, or when others look at ours.

i mean the bench mark was just a demo its not gonna be the finale product it is handy for getting a view pointers from the player base i do think there where to manny poeple that thought the benchmark was gonna be a preview of the final product.

awww.. they removed my dark spot under my roenose

The only complain I'll have about the benchmark is that for some reason it won't launch no matter what I try, so I can only watch with envy as others get to compare the before/after of their character. At least these vids keep me updated on what I'm missing out on

@karurosu4121

2 ай бұрын

have you tried "starting as administrator" to see if it fixes the problem?

Will there be a benchmark to see if the new benchmark will run on my PC? the old new benchmark ran fine but not sure about the new new benchmark with it's added shaders? Also, are mods available on the Benchmark? will the new benchmark break mods on the old new benchmark ? sorry for noob question I am new to old new and new new bencmark ffxiv 14

@normalmighty

2 ай бұрын

what.

I don't understand why people are acting like people were/are crazy for even bringing up all their criticisms. The graphics change is one of the biggest things people have been asking for for a long time and this is their first real preview of it. Plus there is enough time before the expansions for devs to make changes due to feedback. Makes no sense to make fun of anyone for voicing any negative opinions about it.

@extinctbaryonyx

2 ай бұрын

Its not the 'negative opinions' its they way they're wording it and saying it is the problem sometimes.

@Zephy_Sky

2 ай бұрын

I think the issue is mostly with people who don't know how to properly voice their concerns. Or who's only concern mainly just amounts to "change bad no matter what". There is a difference between constructive criticism and braindead malding. Since the internet often feels like it is full of the latter, it's often not very helpful or just straight up annoying. That said, to everyone taking the time to find the flaws and pointing them out in a helpful way are doing an awesome job 👍

@iResonate

2 ай бұрын

Some of it, alot of it actually, is not criticism but just whining. The characters will look a bit different, not everything will stay the same. There are some REAL concerns and problems, but it seems it's been drowned out by people just freaking out even though their character looks the same 💀😭

Yoshi P is the greatest director FOR ACTUALLY LISTENING TO HIS FANBASE!!!

I've never downloaded a benchmark prior to an expansion release for any game... until now.

Just a note here, it's not the actual benchmark that is changing, just the character creator and glitches in models.

Normally yes, the benchmark isnfor testing your computer. But with a gamewide overhaul, this is an unusual situation

When are the toes going to become high polygon??? I've been outspoken on the forums and have asked for better toes / feet since April 2018, it has been 6 years... yet Yoshi P hasn't prioritized toes at all in the benchmark. It looks like a brick... I can never use barefeet glamour without feeling repulsed and queasy. Usually I have to crop my screenshot so the toes are not shown or have to photoshop it so it looks like real feet. We also need soles, my miquote can be barefeet on the beach???? HELLO????

@AaronMetallion

Ай бұрын

They didn't prioritize toes, because toes are not a priority. Why are you barefoot first of all? It's not practical from an RP perspective. Besides, you posted on the forums for so many years and no one told you there's a blackmarket "Mani Pedi pack"? to get toes and soles? um, HELLO????

@The_Big_Sad_ASMR_Review_Cat

Ай бұрын

@@AaronMetallion Maybe they didn't tell me because it's the Official Forums??? I wasn't trying to be rude, I don't understend why'r u taking it personally. It just feels very horrible that for years I've paid 15$ a month, and the feet still look like they're stuck in 2000. How is this not a priority when you have open toe mogs that look like shit. I literally CAN'T use open toe mogs.

@The_Big_Sad_ASMR_Review_Cat

Ай бұрын

Not to mention there's so many paid open toe glamour, costing 19$ why would ANYONE pay for that when the toes are just bricks??? On top of that small clothes / emperor's feet not having soles, which is not a barefeet glamour period.

@The_Big_Sad_ASMR_Review_Cat

Ай бұрын

@@AaronMetallion anyway please I am not trying to be not friendly so how did you get that?

i feel like its been proven for a long time now that they do indeed listen, its no shock

Can we at least all be happy they brought back the 2.x bewb jiggle to clothing items as noted with the Viper AF gear in the trailer? 😅

So my "Extremely High" was a lie? Why Yoshi P, why?

@normalmighty

2 ай бұрын

The benchmark isn't changing. It was accurate, and where the devs were expecting you to actually see how your character looks. This update is because they didn't update the character creator at all for this, and didn't realize so many people would spend hours micro-analyzing their characters in the 10 year old character creator screen and never actually try looking at them in the benchmark.

My character is a midlander so I’ve had zero issues and was confused when I started seeing these videos come up. But then I saw that it was the non human races that were having issues and it made sense.

@UnashamedlyHentai

2 ай бұрын

I've seen people claiming that hyur got the worst of it. It's all over the place. Just hyper fixation.

@normalmighty

2 ай бұрын

@@UnashamedlyHentai Yeah, I've seen posted talking about how lalas are ruined forever because...you can see their back teeth at certain angles now?

Nobody else can see your "imagination", so I want them to nail the characters.

No savage raid, so instead the community gets a week 1 clear of the benchmark.

They did such a great job with the update people need to chill lol.

This is not us freaking out, for no reason, in the end it is good, because things like necks glitching or skins/scales being pixelated, will be noticed, because for all we know, they might of never noticed until the actual release, no now we have found most, if not all issues with the character models not just the lighting and have pointed them out before release, if anything we are helping. If anything we are more reliable, because we care to notice, not all dev team members play every race or even pay that much attention, not all of them work on the graphics in general. The benchmark is the perfect test subject, that is not connected to the game and is it's own thing, that is much easier to update and remake then a version that's already installed into the game, best fix everything within it so that it's safe to confirm that it is the real product. Naturally they'll be addressed in the official release does not mean they knew of all the issues, it only means they have more to check, which they should and then naturally it'll be implemented into the official release. Another thing with the benchmark, yes you are right, the point of it is to check the performance on your pc, but as you've read, there are textures missing, or displayed incorrectly, this misleads people, oh some textures are there you just can't see them, some aren't but you should assume they are there. We have all kinds of people running the benchmark, the people who take in the visuals and get the green score and call it good, the people who notice glitches and missing textures, thinking, huh so is my score false? Will the actual game be even more demanding then the benchmark assets make it out to be? No, the benchmark has to display the actual product, not missing lighting or missing assets, textures etc. because every such asset is a hit on you performance, which can end up being a lie on release. Since they're already telling people to upgrade their PC's or w/e else, not all people are rich, they want to know the budget, on how much they can spend on a new PC or graphics card or CPU etc. They might not be able to buy the best ones. So if something is off and the people who don't upgrade, thinking it'll be fine, I'll just turn this down but then the official version turns out more demanding then the text in the settings says, then they'll have a stressful time, lowering those settings just to help the game run, not all of us will be playing the 4k version. For the lala mouth, i think they need a middle ground for the mouth. The first one does the depth shadow of the inside right as clearly shown with Zeplas, uh performance, that I hope isn't misused and the second does the teeth right from the front, but the second one also needs to follow the first ones example and spread the inner teeth more side ways. ( I swear i sound like a Sylph the Gridanian lettuce fairy, these ones, those ones.) For the polygon count, when we were made to rewatch all the trailers for the game, during the 14 hour live, that moment when your character punches the wall in Heavensward, Uldah castle, after Nanamo drinks the wine. I wish our character did that, hopefully they do such things now, as indicated by us while ridding the chocobo in the benchmark, we were riding and drinking something, then we turned our eyes to look in the direction of the noise etc.

@alchemi8085

2 ай бұрын

Regarding the first part of your post, do you think it's possible to provide honest, useful feedback without freaking out and hysteria?

The thing is all new models are really only one 'new' mesh. So details like the ultra specific look of the scales, some lips and lala maxilars were not re-done. That has nothing to do with the character creation. I hope the team doesn't get overwhelmed and looks at things like the lala teeth on this video so they move the mesh around a bit more.

literally Yoshi P looking at the cry baby community and said "sit." "Behave now."

Lord, is there any making the FFXIV community happy?? Man everything I hear is always complaints.

@normalmighty

2 ай бұрын

For real. The community took a small handful of small model bugs and, instead of just raising this issue as a bug and moving on, start screaming at the top of their lungs like the end was nigh.

@andrewjarvis7777

2 ай бұрын

welcome to the internet

@Rhonndel

2 ай бұрын

@@normalmighty It actually makes sense for me as a long time WoW player. Only that worked on the devs, because they barely ever listened to the feedback. Like players addressing a huge issue in expansion beta and Blizzard fixing it at the last patch of that expansion. The same thing happened during 2 expansions actually xD But yeah, Square and Yoshi P are different than Blizzard

My issue? Clan marks are still part of the actual Miqo faces, and not, like, mutually-exclusive facial accessories. And the lack of Moon fangs, but that's lesser.

Dawn Trail will be delayed now I suspect...

@Zephy_Sky

2 ай бұрын

It would suck if it is. But at the same time, I'd rather it release with a perfected (or close to perfected) system so we don't have to listen to people mald, scream *terrible expansion* ,and just straight up overeact to minor nit-picks and details that would either get patched eventually or aren't worth even that much effort. Not saying all the issues are nitpicks, and im sure even after the fixes, there will still be upset people who just don't like change in general. But still.

@LordFinkenstein

2 ай бұрын

That's no going to happen.

@BaghNakh1

2 ай бұрын

Thats not likely to happen. They aren't going to delay DT launch just to fix a benchmark tool.

@UnashamedlyHentai

2 ай бұрын

Nah. Guaranteed reworking the character creator was already planned for release. They're just moving it up to address the concerns. The only additional work is to import the changes into the benchmark and rebuild it.

"The Lalafell dolphin teeth are here to stay." How could you say such thing ? :'( You wound me Zep ! Unsubscribe and plugging my ears right now ! (Jk, I know you're joking :p)

Soon my Charakter will look more Human than i do ^^

I'm so amazed that a community that is playing a 500 year old game is so picky about pixels.

I think people should chill out about the benchmark, it's a benchmark. It's purpose is only to test out your gear, it's not a demo. I think that's what people are getting confused about.

I may be crazy but I think a lot of the 14 community are spoiled and entitled. The bench looked fine for what the goal was, testing computers. And the lala teeth look more like real teeth imo

Awesome. Now remake the game with UE 5

Folks care way too much about inconsequential nonsense

lemme guess, its gonna suck at lauch and everything will be patched 2 months after release

@menosay1912

2 ай бұрын

Um, no. Bad guess.

@LordFinkenstein

2 ай бұрын

Instead of guessing you could have just read the notes so we didn't have to tell you how stupid you are.

Step 1.) Be FFXIV player. Step 2.) Beg for graphical updates. Step 3.) Bitch about graphical updates ruining your character. Step 4.) Profit?

@Wolfman818

2 ай бұрын

I mean if it's not done correctly, then yeah, give feedback on it. Get it fixed.

@scratch7971

2 ай бұрын

Good thing the devs didn’t have that mindset, it’s why they’re where they are now post 1.0

@lawrencebarber8583

2 ай бұрын

Except the update is literally making them worse. It isn’t just a couple of people, it’s a significant number. And it’s some major issues that need to be fixed.

@Wolfman818

2 ай бұрын

@@lawrencebarber8583 I wouldn’t go as far as saying that the graphical update is making things worse, but there are things that were overlooked and were pointed out by the community. In a general sense the update is great, but flopped for some for individual characters. However, I understand where you are coming from. I want my dark nose again for my hellsguard. Honestly, I feel like this just highlights the lack of customization options within CC. I’m hopeful that after this graphic overhaul they’ll do a CC overhaul. Since doing both while developing an expansion would be spreading devs thin.

@yanipheonu

2 ай бұрын

Tbf WoW had the same problem, and they even had a post explaining that whole problem. Which makes sense. If you upgrade a character model in any game, something might be lost in the change.

People see their toon as a surrogate for the failings of their own self and life. A big issue of the falling mental health of our society. It's like housing in the game is a surrogate for desperate people that can't afford a home in real life and cry when they lose the housing lottery. 😢 Those with little treasure and obsess over what little they have because it is all they have...😢

@scratch7971

2 ай бұрын

you can be critical of a game you spend 15 bucks a month on, bro

The benchmark is a hype tool as much as a preview, and the current one is building too much negative reaction. That's the core reason for the rebuild. Of course they're listening regardless, but the benchmark 2.0 is because of the negative reactions.

He didn't agree that the eyes were lifeless or soulless. He used the phrasing that the forums were using so we all know what he's talking about.

We all appreciate how attentive YoshiP is to addressing issues. But to those demanding some of these changes....realize you are causing this amazing man so much stress over five effing white pixels in an eyeball. Seriously. For one second, sit outside of yourself and really look at this situation. My god.

@omensoffate

2 ай бұрын

It’s his job.