I’m most grateful for your new venture. I know it will be wildly successful and is greatly appreciated by many socialists like me. I am always interested in your thoughts on any matter. 🕊️

@jurgschupbach3059

Ай бұрын

.bin ich ein Sozialist wenn ich die soziale Marktwirtschaft gut finde.............sofern der Individualist sich keinen Organisationen anzuschließen braucht damit er nicht wie ein Feind der Gesellschaft behandelt wird. Ihr Personenkult Gläubigen nutzlosen Scheisserchen

If I live in a way that causes the least harm, regardless of the choices (forced or otherwise) of people around me, I will die knowing that I consciously lived in a way that did the least harm. And I will truly be able to rest in peace knowing I freely chose the right way. That’s enough … that’s everything! … for me and for the world and for the creatures I’ve shared it with.

@koiyujo1543

Ай бұрын

same here tho I love to live longer

Yanis, you are one of the great thinkers of our time - take care, the world needs you more than ever ❤️🙏best wishes from Germany ❤️🙏

@thefreestylefrEaK

Ай бұрын

Because you're a Nazi.

Love, love, love you Yanis.❤ Thanks for speaking up and never stopping.

Thank you Yanis

We are collectively creating a future we do not want because we are apathetic and addicted to comfort. Nobody wants to do the real, and dangerous work of protesting.

@growthandunderstanding

Ай бұрын

Speak for yourself! I continually write my elected officials in support and opposition of the issues that matter to me. I write to news outlets that I believe fail to fairly and/or fully cover any topic. I have been protesting in the streets of Los Angeles, Berkeley, New York, San Francisco, Dallas and other major and minor American cities for most of my life. I do it because I feel responsible and do not allow the failure of others to fulfill their duties as citizens to impact my fulfillment of that duty.

@totonow6955

Ай бұрын

Embrace and celebrate the full void with weeping and laughing. We just don't know what will happen. It's an Irish wake.

@sableminer8133

Ай бұрын

​@@growthandunderstandingYou make Billy Jack proud! That is extraordinary effort that, due to my lost hopes of change faded, so did my willingness to do all the things you list (except extensive travels to protest... Now that I have learned of my country's imperialist evil ways, unravelled by any other nations, it seems impossible at this point😢

@growthandunderstanding

Ай бұрын

@@sableminer8133 I an empathize with your sentiment. I became determined to fulfill my sense of duty as a citizen by reasoning that I am either part of the solution or part of the problem. Apathy is eventual death of this wonderful experiment of the American republic.

@CBT5777

Ай бұрын

Because too many people have kids to take care of instead of waiting for a better world to have kids in.

Yanis you are Great !! God bless you.

A new approach to 'culture', where we are taught the importance/relevance of 'connection'. We tend to live in our own bubbles, in isolation, from the outcome of our actions. All of us. Therefore we do not think and act as a collective. The truth of connection and it's implications is obfuscated. As any person who has experienced a rise in consciousness, through their life, knows the suffering that results from a lack of connection. This understanding should come before learning to deal with the important decisions of adulthood- therefore the human formative years bring each of us fully into understanding connection and intent. This is what we lack. Without it we do not have the heart and mind that is necessary to embrace the collective and make healthy decisions, in the full knowledge of outcome. We do not acquire wisdom. If we do not break this cycle, en mass, we will not step up.

@l.w.paradis2108

Ай бұрын

"Hell is other people." Jean-Paul Sartre, _No Exit_

Très bon exposé. Merci. L'égoïsme est la mort d'une société.

@acc4465

Ай бұрын

in any language - what you said about selfishness is 100 percent wrong.

@l.w.paradis2108

Ай бұрын

​@@acc4465 Well, if you are in the US, you are getting to witness the results of rabid egoism right now . . .

@TueLesPigeons

Ай бұрын

How about the joy of selflessness you can experience in North Korea? ​@@l.w.paradis2108

Choose social well being over money-ism ✊🏼

@marcozegikniet9301

Ай бұрын

Right wingers belief that this cannot happen without tyranny Why? Billionair propaganda told them so

BRAVO Yanus!!

In this era of decay and corruption, socialism is the only legitimate banner left under which to seek democratic rights for all people. I am totally with Yanis.

@aprescoup

Ай бұрын

Yanis is a self dealing PMC of the Bernie Sanders/AOC type. A gatekeeping and sheep-dogging tool of the anti working class neoliberal/neoconservative imperialist elites.

I always enjoy listening to Yanis. To accomplish the things he mentions, the democratization of ownership has to be a big part of the solution.

I have never been impressed more by anyone than this man. If only we could get more people to listen to him. The modern Greek philosopher philosopher. If, if the world survives the next 10 years, he will be remembered as what he is. He is a caring, none selfish genius. We need him. Why do very clever billionaires ignore him? They are not clever enough to understand that being just rich is a pathetic goal, unless you bring the world with you.

We will do this. Keep the faith! Socialism will be victorious. Thank you, Yanis, for everything. Solidarity from the Czech Republic ✊️

@rehan2118

Ай бұрын

I love men who have integrity

@TacticalMayo

Ай бұрын

No thanks you can keep that commie garbage.

@carrerau7138

Ай бұрын

Socialists were responsible for 100 million deaths in the last century. We should not let this skum ever get to power anywhere again.

@acc4465

Ай бұрын

i will fight to the end of me against socialism.

@TacticalMayo

Ай бұрын

@@acc4465 me too.

Cause you have a good heart not malicious thief

@aprescoup

Ай бұрын

That's the sort of traits communal narcissists like Yanis, Bernie Sanders, et al, exhibit. :(

@imadsbai1213

Ай бұрын

@@aprescoup . I don't see any narcissistic traits in both of these men . But I have an idea why you don't like them !. Cause they have one thing in common, they are not sioniste and they stand by the Palestinian people

Wait. Why did this discussion not continue??

In 2015, in the Guardian magazine, he stated that he was an “erratic Marxist”. Backsliding to a mere socialist will make it harder for Yanis to get his next professorship at an American university.

@benmcconaghy3313

25 күн бұрын

You can be Marxist influenced and a socialist. You know that Marx was a socialist? And your snarky comment about becoming a professor in the US is based on fantasy.

@flooaweeb

14 күн бұрын

Cool bro

Highly influential thoughts for the mindful ones....❤

Free hold Property Rights is the Key ! Logically we are all temporarily occupying this planet . So , grow and prosper based on what you contribute and leave that as a legacy . The middle class aspiration continues and recreates continuously, not based on ownership of what is NOT yours… In other words , like the land you have , your life is Leased (80-90 years ) to make the most of it ! You will then be released and happy

Great interviewer. Subbed.

Very good intro to an ongoing conversation. There is a flow between left and right that remains unmentioned.Because the left aswell those who chose the path to enterprise both have their limitations. When taken into consideration you have to ask whether a commitment to some sort of mixed economy isn’t by far the better and most practical political response to choose! After the toxteth riots outside of the episcopal initiatives by both David shepherd and Derek worlock,it was the interventionist commitment of Micheal Heseltine that helped turn the tide for the people of the Mersey with the then newly formed Government policy that became known as the urban priority initiative! The last of that policy bubble, overlapping with the successful BBC “Peeblemill at one”.

He talks about Capitalism mentioning the self interest of mega corporations but doesn't mention the banks once. I saw a video about a forest in which the entire forest was actually a single tree. The Banks are like this. They are a single entity that grows richer with every single transaction of people, companies and governments. The US Federal Reserve Bank is the largest bank in the world, 80% owned by 2 commercial banks, Citibank and JP Morgan, they in turn are majority owned by just 4 companies: BlackRock; Vanguard; State Street and Merrill Lynch. That concentration of wealth translates to too much power in the hands of too few, who by definition care only about themselves.

Great opening question...

Well said Yanis!! ✊

Well explained. I hope many can receive your perspective and truth telling with an open mind.

Yanis, where can I go for a reading list- I have Marx and 3 of your books but I always try to peer at bookshelves! Carpe diem from Ontario ( I feel my country IS broken)

Imagine the lunacy of believing that our political con men; that once obtaining office are only concerned with gaining more power for themselves by serving the corporations; are going to give you something or do the right thing!

Thank you for giving me hope.

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Thoughtful comments regarding game theory and the conflict between self-interest and common interest. The conundrum is the assumed myth of separation. The idea we can advance our own self-interest by thinking of our exclusive advantage assumes what happens to everyone else does not affect us because we are separate, but this assumption is not functionally true. Nothing in nature lives independently.

@down-to-earth-mystery-school

23 күн бұрын

COVID was an excellent example of that, it was a global problem still approached with tribalism

Love this podcast!

Lack of democracy is not the REAL problem. The real problem is what we are teaching your youth via the media and the schools. If you fail to teach social responsibility, you get none.

Great interview. Yanis makes it so clear. Thank you.

"From the ashes of devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise..." We either go Starfleet or we go Fallout. I would prefer Starfleet.

Social is time well spent. Social ISM IS TIME LOST TO DICTATORSHIPS

@blackeagle7947

Ай бұрын

Europe will be North Korea very soon. Socialism is a failed ideology.

I have hope when I listen to Yannis.

@thefreestylefrEaK

Ай бұрын

All fascists and Communists do.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🤔 The paradox of collective self-determination* - The speaker grapples with the question of how we are collectively creating a future that none of us really want, leading to a potential collapse of civilization. - The speaker discusses the idea of self-determination without anyone at the "rudder" or in control, and the combination of self-realization and the pursuit of the common good. 00:51 *🏪 The limitations of Adam Smith's vision of capitalism* - The speaker criticizes Adam Smith's view that self-interested competition between small businesses would automatically create a good society, arguing that modern capitalism is dominated by large corporations and "tech feudal lords" rather than small-scale competition. - The speaker suggests that the current form of capitalism, with the concentration of power and property rights, is detrimental to individual liberty and democracy. 03:21 *🎢 The game theory perspective on collective action* - The speaker explores the insights of game theory, particularly the prisoners' dilemma, and how it applies to environmental issues and the challenge of collective action. - The speaker argues that while game theory provides useful insights, it cannot substitute for the democratic process and collective decision-making required to address these challenges. 07:17 *💼 The need for democratic action and workplace democracy* - The speaker emphasizes that the only way to address these collective action problems is through democratic processes and institutions, not just theoretical constructs like game theory. - The speaker argues that true democracy requires democratizing the workplace, where power and decision-making are concentrated, and giving workers a direct say in the means of production, distribution, and communication. Made with HARPA AI

Excellent talk 🎉

This one’s worth saving and showing to others 🔗

What until he finds out others have a differing view on what “the common good” means, and he won’t be the guy in charge.

3 minutes: Isn't that what Lenin said?

Why not make the case in the same terms laid down by Smith as something of a deconstruction? That is, 1) Smith was right, human moral sentiment will balance the common good through an invisible hand. 2) Corporations are NOT human and yet have been given the rights of personhood. 3) The only way to balance the scale in a domain including both humans and corporations is to ensure that all adhere to the same laws: tax laws, penal code, citizenship and immigration, etc. All laws.

Cheers 👍💪✌

#CoreTruth

8 billion & growing, the litter box is overflowing. If you treat your life support system like an open sewer, don't expect anything to last!

Lol at the part where Yanis said "the world is fucked anyway...excuse my French"

anarchosyndicalism-Mondragon-Basque country in Spain

Employee ownership of companies is successful method of doing this

Whatever the subject, you can rely on him to be original, revolutionary and subversive. And it's no coincidence that the Germans have banned him from their country over Gaza, for example.

Mr. Varoufakis I wanna ask... I'm curious is the book "Kicking away the ladder" A good one? I heard it's good but I like your opinion on it I'm planning on getting it however I want your opinion good sir.

8 billion people. 190 nations. People of widely-varying objective and subjective abilities and tastes. Just starting this video. Curious to see how we found this cooperative and how it runs.

@clemfarley7257

Ай бұрын

So he likes democracy, and agrees that that is the legitimate and desirable form of government. But says it won’t work because the plutocrats divided the working man to such a degree that the necessary conversations cannot take place. And if we did have a true conversation, he knows how it would turn out. But again, we are unable to. And so we must democratize the companies-in other words, the owners of the means of production. I can’t wait to see how in the last 45 seconds he pulls this off.

@clemfarley7257

Ай бұрын

lol. Therefore, democracy is impossible. So each worker is his job gets an equal vote on production issues, and I also assume on compensation issues. So socialism, he says, is the only solution because democracy is largely impossible, and the common man with the new-found power will do it fairly and better-somehow. I guess because Yanis and his friends will feed him the right answers. He couldn’t support his nonsense if his life depended on it. Ask him what happened in Russia when they employed his democratic notions inside factories. Ultimately the engineers and most educated made the decisions-bad ones leading to constant shortages-and the party cadres were embedded in everything such that the workers were scared sh!tless. And the men at the top were worse than Bill Gates, and they weren’t very kind to their neighboring countries. I wish the interviewer had a deeper understanding.

My fellow (far more distinguished) Greek argues, "...some of us are socialists, who don't believe democracy is possible unless it penetrates the workplace. Unless we have one share; one person, one vote. Unless every factory, every office, every supermarket becomes a mini-parliament in which people co-own the means of production; and as co-owners, have a conversation amongst themselves as to what they want to produce, and how they want to distribute the income that is being produced." But this description applies more to separate worker-owned businesses (business co-ops, albeit with equal shares owned), rather than to socialism- and is akin to policies advocated by such politicians as Bernie Sanders, who has even wrongly described himself as a "socialist." However, actual socialism (such as that tried and failed by Robert Owen's and George Rapp's town of New Harmony, Indiana) is when ALL citizens of a society/community/nation/or world own equal shares of all property and the TOTAL means of production. Moreover, this total and equal collective sharing of ownership of all property and means of production is vested in government; that is, true "socialism" is government ownership. Not control, not management, but ownership. Worker cooperatives of commercial enterprises is one thing; socialism is quite another. WORKER-OWNED COMPANY SUCCESS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaSt1aijkZfgqbQ.html

Have to laugh at your sit or stand concert analogy. That exact situation happened to me at a Jimmy Buffet concert years ago. Worst concert I ever went to.

I have always respected & admired Yanis varoufakis. Those who swim against the tide of injustice are heros .

@anthonymorris5084

Ай бұрын

There is no greater justice than capitalism.

@missk1697

19 күн бұрын

@@anthonymorris5084 🤣🤣🤣

@anthonymorris5084

19 күн бұрын

@@missk1697 Sorry, I don't chat with infants or speak cartoon.

We want to live diffrently, you I and other people. Some people would feel extreamly suffocated in that type of communal live (even if it could work non-authoritarian), because they need/want agency in there life in a way that needs them able to not care what other people think. Those people are more likley to be libertarians or anachists or even maybe milder forms of that type of thing, because they want indepence of everything and ability to just build whatever they set there mind to, stop whenever they want to etc. Then there's people more like me who don't mind communal life but only when it's based on tradtions and with people who I love. Otherwise I do care about people, but I don't want my life so bound up with what they do that I can't make decions of my own. I would personally like more worker-owned buinesses and would love to work for one, but that would have to be in a context of a pretty libertatian or liberal societiy, where I have the option to decide to opt out of that and persue my own if it seemes wrong? If that makes sense. I would justify it otherwise too with things like you will have authoruanism when you need to force people to particpate in a community who do not want to particpate in it, because you are talking about forcing them to adhear to work and possibly private live restrictions they do not intent to follow.

@RextheRebel

Ай бұрын

Sounds like you're describing Distributism.

I have a corollary argument in Cancer on Capitalism. The title is a dig on its declared champion(s). Also known as What Capitalism?

I love this guy.

I became a socialist from second thought as an american gen z I still got a lot to learn but I'm very much happy why i did it mostly I did it through the realization of what my country truely is and the bs I was fed growing up. I was trau'matized... which I remember last year going through a massive 5 to 6 months of breaking the chains of propa'ganda etc I was fed growing up. This war with isr'ael against ga'za only made me show how much more hypo'cracy my country and the west are. The funny thing is what were constantly told is one of them is socialism or commuinism can't have democracy... the funny thing is their can be, karl marx himself loved democracy at least to my memory. less than half or less than quarter of the world have actual democracies. Norway or tawian are some of the best examples in the world of democracy I love to visit them one day but I know democracies don't last long if not impossible to stay around for any country as long with captalism is around tho of course I love to be corrected.

Because it sells.

10:22 Y.Varoufakis: ...power grows inside the machinery of economic activity,...

"Because I'm too weak to be a communist". Listen to his crap, but be aware that the Greeks rejected him for a reason.

@scarba

24 күн бұрын

Can you tell us more?

@nmavrantzas

24 күн бұрын

@@scarba Baroufakis is at best a stepping stone to reach actual marxism / communist ideas. His tenure in Greece was catastrophic for us Greeks.

Reading Adam Smith, you can't help sniggering at the people who say Socialism doesn't take human nature into account.

Because you're smart, aware, intelligent, etc.?

The status quo is established many ways. Bourgeois society is established autocratically by the self-interested state (a self-interested in-group identity) prioritizing power over democracy and egalitarian economics through geopolitics, monetary imperialism, capitalism/neoliberalism, and bourgeois democracy. At least four expansionist ideologies autocratically determine the social paradigm: capitalism; liberal hegemony; white supremacy (also religious supremacy); and the trifecta of national exceptionalism, national innocence, and national mythology, which pursuits inflict austerity on the working class to finance authoritarian state and capital actors. Populations continue to pay reactionary fealty to illicit church-state authority: by responding to tribal in-group/out-group dog-whistles; by glorifying the state power and wealth acquired through imperialism: and rallying to nationalism and war when declaring a god-favored nation. Population’s employment is co-opted into reproducing ruling class institutions and values to survive. The duplicitous PMC continues to conform to imperialism in exchange for receiving liberal program benefits, while the rest of society and the world receive the fascist program. Wholesale propaganda, surveillance, and censorship, polices and socially engineers society. The solution would seem to require addressing the Paleo-regressive, reactionary, and authoritarian elements of the human condition, which is an intention of socialism through economic reform. Even the incremental reform of social democracy demonstrates that sharing political and economic power with the working class somewhat functionally suppresses the most egregious human and institutional elements. The problem of course, is the failure of social democracy to understand its egalitarian political economy social engineering function, and falter and fail in the perpetual suppression of humanities regressive reactionary elements. Nevertheless, further reductionism to the self-interested state competing in the interstate system demonstrates deep tribal in-group authoritarian causality, which requires standing the entire global human condition down from any and all expansionism and interstate competition, presumably through a collective environmental sustainability agreement.

This is what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult authority in a society. Political sociopathy; a willingness to do harm for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure.

@aprescoup

Ай бұрын

Yanis is one such despicable and self dealing bourgeois millionaire sociopath. He's to left- liberals what Cornel West, bell hooks, et alia have been to blacks in America: the ruling elite's go to guy on the topic of workers,all of whom he reviles like every other self dealing, classist pathocrat.

Can someone clarify to me something: Does Yanis believe in a top-down centralized system that can micro manage everything or does he propose something else? Does he believe in traditional socialist dogma like the belief in tabula rasa, in cartesian thinking, and in the noble savage? These are genuine questions.

It’s so good that someone who directly contributed to the collapse of the Greek economy is here to tell us what we need to do 😂😂😂😂

@mariettestabel275

Ай бұрын

Really?

@jorgepeters7474

Ай бұрын

He's a clown, he was a yes man totally doing what the Europeans told him to do, but was very quiet and kept a very low profile while deserting greece and the greek people.But look at him now , full of opinions and you can't shut him up.He's a malaka.

@Redactedlllllllllllll

29 күн бұрын

All hail economy!

@missk1697

19 күн бұрын

One way to shit the responsibility away from EU authorities.

He's a socialist for one of two reasons: 1.) Lazy and envious of success. 2.) lethargic and unconscionable and doesn't mind if millions of his countrymen get ground up by the state.

@Joe-cb6ex

18 күн бұрын

An academic known around the world and an ex-finance minister is jealous of someone’s success? Whose? Some nobody on KZread like you?

@crowwalksalways3419

18 күн бұрын

@@Joe-cb6ex If he were a success he wouldn't be a socialist. Socialism has at it's heart ENVY of what is barely glimpsed from afar. Useful idiots seldom realize before their trip to the gulag.

Yanis seems to avoid moral philosophising so I'm glad you're pressing him on this somewhat ;) P.S. @charleseisenstein talks about this beautifully - maybe a discussion with the two?

7:40 Talking and debating is futile when we can't see RIGHT FROM WRONG. HEALTH FROM ILL

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Identifying as an ‘-IST’ labels and limits.

My TIMEBACKED doesn't need a CO. Owner.

KZread does not allow me to look at this video properly.

@l.w.paradis2108

Ай бұрын

Or comment freely

Watching people be so silly as to think the Answer to all problems is collectivism, which they never talk about its failures. Is just wild 😳 Human nature is a funny thing.. But I guess one has to give them credit, well off people telling others if I was forced to share what I have with you I would, but till then 😉

What's really amazing is that China's economy is 75yrs ahead of the West. CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Einar Tangan-Martin Jacques-Lijinjing-Tian Wei. Reporterfy Media-Cyrus Janssen

The problem are not people driving around in Cadillacs or whatever car, it's extremely disingenous. One second he speaks of democracy, the next he says we must creat political institutions that put an end to emissions, read pure authoritarianism. He's all over the place.

@ Yanis Varoufakis., Until we humans of differing tribes, nationalities, backgrounds and belief systems all agree that Capitalism and Social Democracy are antithetical and mix together like oil and water, the future of a civilization founded in peace and cooperation cannot be achievable. Jesus said it best; [Not that I'm a religious person...] >In Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other". This is the 'crossroads' the collective West has reached today.

Someone's in control. You just have to find out who!

The overreactive road to not-serfdom was the road to techno-serfdom 🤪 Reagan's prescription of 'rugged individualism' was not an appeal to virtue. It was a heads-up.

I write daily, for FREE. I'm social. Serving my knowledge to profit is the ism. You serve two masters on bipolar tv mentality

How does this idea of democratizing the workplace extend to things like housing, where so much of contemporary surplus vale is being extracted by landlords and corporations? Especially in a theory of neo-feudalism, it seems like social reproduction (housing, child care, health, education, etc) are at the front lines of the struggle for democracy.

So who gets to pick who emits & who doesn’t??

Anglophile Yanis Varoufakis visited England some years ago and her was welcomed by some people with money who ran the Conservative Party. He acted like he did not want to leave and became popular with his new friends who saw him as an exotic curiosity. We heard nothing of Yanis Varoufakis' concern for the English working class back then.

I’d really like to know what YV’s net worth is, what car he drives & how many flights per year he makes🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

If every office, every factory, and every supermarket becomes a mini-parliament, then the goods we consume will be as efficient, effective and wise as our parliaments.

@emergenthub305

Ай бұрын

Far wiser because then you wouldn't have a system disproportionately controlled by the minority interests of a capitalist owner class, which ignored the interests of the overwhelming majority and society at large.

@ideafood4U

Ай бұрын

@@emergenthub305 I worked in an academic department run by Robert's Rules of Order. It took forever to make a decision, changes and innovations were avoided, and the social and political hierarchy was as rigid as any company.

@emergenthub305

Ай бұрын

@@ideafood4U Many successful worker cooperatives already exist, the largest being the Mondragon Corporation, which is valued at over 20 billion dollars and employs over 80,000 people. Also, worker cooperatives can delegate responsibilities to representatives. Not every decision has to be voted on. Managers can be voted in and out, but the workers retain ownership and ultimate control. As our knowledge continually expands, I'm sure many more new and effective ways of running cooperatives will also emerge, as in all human endeavours.

@ideafood4U

Ай бұрын

@@emergenthub305 This is true. I've seen successful ESOPs. At the same time, innovation is hard when decision making is widely distributed and players don't have skin in the game. Firms need to change as human needs change.

@emergenthub305

Ай бұрын

@@ideafood4U I don't think innovation is negatively impacted at all, relative to decision-making being more concentrated. On the contrary, I think greater participation and access to resources for a wider pool of people leads to greater innovation. Moreover, workers having equity in and control over their workplaces, involves more people having skin in the game. Innovation is a feature of our capacity for knowledge and desire to find solutions to problems. These traits are ever present and can be better exploited when they are given room to explore projects beyond the narrow profit motives of a handful of capitalists. We see this all the time with the unrivalled amount of innovation that arises out of state initiated and funded projects (much of which requires unprofitable long-term investment), despite the mass of people responsible for these innovations having no skin in the game beyond their desire to uncover new knowledge and their modest wage packages.

VALIANT AND DIGNIFIED YOU ARE.

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Democracy is hugely overrated. I couldn't care what system we were to use as humanity as long as it was fair and just. Namely with no social inequalities.

@anthonymorris5084

Ай бұрын

Everybody is equal under the law. There is no moral imperative that demands everybody be equal economically. It's also impossible.

@VelhaGuardaTricolor

Ай бұрын

@@anthonymorris5084 In a society there is only one way everyone can be really equal under the law and that is by everybody being equal economically. There is nothing impossible about it. That is why there are things call LAWS. People using their common sense come up with LAWS to regulate society. One of them can easy be one that makes sure everybody gets an equal slice of the pie. Nothing too complicated about it. All you need is ink, paper and enough intelligence to understand how important it is. The moral imperative that demands everybody be equal economically is to make sure everybody is working for the exact same goal as everybody else. Namely the common good. The moment you have people working for their own private wealth you create a system that promotes private property and corruption and social imbalances. Those imbalances create the cracks that will lead to corruption. There can only be corruption if one can benefit from it. If you can't benefit from corruption, there is no incentive, therefore that option leaves the table. People can be healthy and pursuit their chosen careers without any hindrance. The moral imperative for economic equality therefore couldn't be any stronger. The problem is people are brainwashed into believing it would be a bad thing.

@VelhaGuardaTricolor

Ай бұрын

@@anthonymorris5084 Not impossible. All you need is passing a law. Nothing impossible about passing a law. If we had laws allowing slavery (horrible things) why not a law allowing for a wonderful thing? The moral imperative couldn't be any stronger. Namely to end of a number o horrible things like corruption, the end of exploitation, the end of crime, wars, mental healthy, poverty, drug addiction, unplayable medical bills, mistrust among people, unemployment, homelessness, financial woes of all sorts, food insecurity, end of nature destruction,etc... and on the positive side, the fomenting of wonderful things like competition, cooperation, friendship, true freedom, a healthy society for everyone, liberty, honesty and to maximize humanity's potential, etc... If that is not enough moral imperative, I don't know what could possibly be.

@anthonymorris5084

Ай бұрын

@@VelhaGuardaTricolor Nice wall of words. *"In a society there is only one way everyone can be really equal under the law and that is by everybody being equal economically."* We already have equality under the law. It exists. It works. It's functional. And yet you're advocating making a law then simultaneously arguing that laws don't work. *"One of them can easy be one that makes sure everybody gets an equal slice of the pie."* Except nobody would create the pie. Why would they bother? You're just going to seize their pie. Do you seriously think you just discovered this? It's called socialism and it doesn't work. So if someone makes $100,000 you're just going to use the "law" to seize it? Why would anybody work if you're just going to seize their money? If I don't work or have a job, you're just going to seize money from somebody else and then give it to me, so why should I ever work? Why should I do anything? If I work you steal it. If I don't work you give me money. You're also advocating authoritarianism. You're advocating taking away people's rights and freedoms.

@VelhaGuardaTricolor

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@@anthonymorris5084 You can''t be this delusional. You've said: "We already have equality under the law. It exists. It works. It's functional." Have you heard of poverty trap? Have you heard of biggest jail population in the world? Have you heard about people living in their cars bc they can't afford rent? Did you hear anything about the homeless crisis? Gun Violence, Drug Addiction, etc... Not to mention a very destructive and criminal foreign policy? How can you know all that and say it works and is functional? People don't have easy access to education, food, health, housing nor work. And you call this functional. You are either blind or dishonest. PS.: I never mentioned the law doesn't work as a concept. A stupid law can be stupid and implement stupidity. Proves that laws make things happen at the same time it proves that laws can't be stupid or they will foment stupidity.

Because he wants to help others, instead of himself all the time?

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Big Money Capitalism is not the same as human scale capitalism.

@down-to-earth-mystery-school

23 күн бұрын

I call it human scale commerce

What's about simple mind humans ? What's social darwinistic antisocial and narcissism ones ? Isn't just i tellectual hypothetical construction?

Sadly, political ideology, whatever your preference, relies on the belief that the individuals appointed to Government, with the exception of a handful of individuals, are going to act in accordance with a set of sensible values like honesty, hard work and the best interests of the country as a whole. This just never happens. Instead we almost always get big talk, promises and no action and eventually the people are lied to cover up self interest and corruption at a very deep level. Not to mention huge irresponsible Government borrowing and reckless spending. So I would conclude that Government, politics and the way the people are appointed to their positions within Government is seriuosly flawed and I think this is the case whatever the ideological system a country adopts. As an alternative, lets look at a large Company as a proxy for a well run Government. It runs on a capitalistic engine but shows its social responsibility by building and investing in the community and ultimately that Company is responsible to its shareholders who act as the hidden oversight, if you like. That same Company, when it borrows capital it does so to see a return on capital. When the Company meets its stated targets in its mission statement (lets call it a manifesto) there are usually additional rewards. What I suggest is a move away from traditional politics. Rather develop a system where what we call a Government today is actually a Management Company who report to the people on its progress via a commitee appointed by the people. The democracy of the people will reflect in how we agree on the mission statement given to the MC to achieve

I love the way more taxes will save the planet

Is Yanis leading up to suggesting we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, but instead get the state(s) to take a golden stake in the tech platforms, from where they can improve the lives of the people caught up in them. I think we’d all like to see a road map guiding the way forward to avoid techo-feudalism.

competition to live kills the community. then capitalism starts to unravel because we are all just out for ourselves with no sense of common good.

Villages wouldn't work as a capitalist system either. Monopolies and the strategies they use are very scalable in all directions.

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