Watch the full debate: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4F_zbpxobWuo9o.htmlsi=d-N-Nq7wz6W5mHjv

@mickeycz

11 күн бұрын

@Bluuuud you certainly need to do some work on your logic and reconsider your moral compass, for what you spout here is really appallingly stupid

@HeavyDevy89

11 күн бұрын

I'd like to watch it but OH MY GOODNESS Dinesh just completely derps out here in this small 10 minute clip. Just this 10 minutes felt like 30.

@ethanmiller5487

11 күн бұрын

How else could tribal people understand God if not in a tribal way? Humans can only relate new information to things we already know. If you think the Bible condones or even promotes any evil, you are assuming you can tell the difference. Dont assume that.

@anothermike4825

11 күн бұрын

These theist talk about god like it is infallible, but after reading the Bible, how could you believe it was written by a god, or under the influence of god? It doesn't take much to be a better human than their god. Why should I be impressed?

@jameschapman6559

11 күн бұрын

From the bible: eating shrimp or wearing linen and wool together was forbidden. Even in the New Covenant, "slave's obey your Master's." Christian's are taught to "become slave's to god." The bible never stopped condoning slavery.

Alex is becoming what we all hoped when we found him 10 years ago.

@TurinTuramber

11 күн бұрын

I first saw Alex on Rationality rules years ago. The boy hath becometh a man.

@3Prayt

10 күн бұрын

Literally yes

@therealbs2000

10 күн бұрын

Look at all you proud papa's 😂😂😂😂

@DK-nq9wv

9 күн бұрын

@@TurinTuramber You’re following an idiot

@danp6918

8 күн бұрын

You said it mate! I remember commenting on one of his very early KZread videos saying he will be the next Hitchens

Alex is my tribal war god.

@winstonasmith9398

11 күн бұрын

brilliant

@daltonadams4672

11 күн бұрын

You have chosen well!

@darkscot1338

11 күн бұрын

I follow DarkMatter2525.

@brandonmacey964

11 күн бұрын

I guarantee you he’s less reliable and far less good than the fictional or non fictional God of the Bible.. JR Tolkien couldn’t craft a better finished product.. your tribe doesn’t even have a book that could convert 50,000 people into it.. Christianity is the largest religion in the world.. have we won yet? By many metrics? Even Dawkins prefers Christianity..

@t2nexx561

11 күн бұрын

Cringe

Another commentator said on another video: "Dinesh is against socialism and yet he had no problem being publicly owned here".

Alex needs to be reported to the Hague, because this was a massacre.

@Ibn_Abdulaziz

6 күн бұрын

The atheist guy doesn't believe there is an objective truth. He was asked by Suboor Ahmad of r*pe was objectively wrong. These are not debates, but gotcha soundbites. So aaking him if he believes that the victims of the h-man of Germany who are probably his new sponsors, does he believe that there is truth and justice for them or if they are particle, stardust with the h-man? That soundbite would've sealed it. Also he uses western current taboos as a benchmark for morality without without establishing it to be truth. But how could he, since there is no truth to him ever.

@Ibn_Abdulaziz

6 күн бұрын

If everyone became atheist vs if everyone rejected atheism, won't the matter become the same from the perspective of the atheist once you become equal in non-existence with whoemever you quarreled with anyway? Thus truth was nkt the objective, as it never exusted. Rather it was out restlessness from the nihilism of atheusm, or to be a menace, or preserving a desire, an addiction etc. Atheists are polytheists. They believe atoms and gravity are the creators of this world.

@Ibn_Abdulaziz

6 күн бұрын

According to the Baal cycle Yahweh's name was changed to Yam. And Yam is the brother of Baal. Yam means sea and could've been the fourth son of Noah عليه السلام who drowned as a disbeliever. His name was Yam. So they probably called the sea after him. Even the bible makes Yahweh inferior to El as you'll see the quote from Norman Cohn. El or il just means God. Just like we say God in english today, then when we speak in english with you, and we say: God created the world. We mean Allah. Likewise the early Muslims understood El or Il to mean God and thus Allah. Important note. Just as christians say God has a son, then likewise the ancients said that El or il (God) had offspring. They made angels or jinn as the offspring of God before christianity did it with a man. After the romans were overwhelmed by christianity, then they replaced that old paganism of ascribing angels or jinn as offspring to God with a man (Jesus عليه السلام). The arabs left Ishmael's عليه السلام religion but preserved some forms of it like circumcision and Hajj, but mixed it with paganism that they got from Syria, from the Amalekites whom a man named 'Amr bin Luhay al-Khuza'i brought with him. And those pagans believed that the angels were the offspring of Allah ﷻ to be worshipped, seeking intercession with them in order to get rain. That was the religion of the old pagans. They sought rain, had some of Noah's عليه السلام religion left in them, but innovated angelic worship (Syria, Mesopotamia) or ancestral worship (Egypt). All of that was beautified for them by the jinn. The jinn are the gods of the pagans. They lived on earth before mankind and despise mankind for replacing them as vicegerents of earth. The race of the devils is not fallen angels, but jinns. Every idol has a female jinniyyah along with it. The point being, just like christians claim God has an offspring, then the claim of the ancients who innovated polytheism into the religion of Adam and Noah عليهما السلام, seeking rain by taking angels as intercessors with God, and then the jinn duping those people into making themselves out to be angels, is what happened. Thus it will be hard for people to understand how the Children of Israel who deviated immediately after Solomon عليه السلام and adopted the gods of their neighbours until Allah ﷻ sent Assyrians, then Babylonians upon them. Then they got a second chance and the son of Mary عليه السلام was sent as an example for them, but they denied, so Allah ﷻ saved and raised him, and from their denial christianity emerged, and because of that it was the romans turn to deal with them. Then the offspring of Harun (Aaron) عليه السلام sought refuge from that persecution, read their books for hope and sought the final Prophet ﷺ to defeat the pagans with him. And that is how and why they ended up in Madinah. Banu Nadhir and Banu Quraizah who lived in Madinah with the Prophet ﷺ are the offspring of Harun (Aaron). Allah ﷻ made sure that the most learned of Bani Israa'il met His final Prophet ﷺ. They always threatened their Arab neighbours with: "Soon a Prophet will be sent, and we will end you with him like 'Aad and 'Iraam (ancient Arab tribes) were dealt with." So the Arabs of Madinah (Al-Ansaar - the Helpers) said: "This is the one whom they were threatening us with, so let us follow him before them." And thus while the Prophet ﷺ was being persecuted by his people (the Quraish of Makkah), he sought refuge with all the tribes who came for Hajj, none of them accepted him except those who lived in Madinah with the jews because of their knowledge about him due to the jews who were threatening them with his emergence. And thus Allah's ﷻ Perfect Decree, that the abode of Hijrah (emigration) became Madinah at the same time as the Da'wah is shifting from inviting pagans who denied the Afterlife and Resurrection, to the Ahlul Kitaab (people of the book - jews and christians) in order to establish the Hujjah (proof) against the Bani Israa'il, that Nubuwwah (Prophethood) has ended for them and is now with the other line of Abraham's عليه السلام offspring. They denied the Prophet ﷺ and warred against him, even brought the pagans of Arabia against him similar to how they are gathering you (Nato) against us today, until the Muslims had to dig trenches lest the huge army spoils Madinah. They were defeated, and the very prophecy and victory that they sought with the Prophet ﷺ against their enemies was instead given to the Muslims. In less than 30 years, the Muslims conquered the east and the west. And thus the jews still await that victory that they never received, hence why they say that their messiah is not coming for spiritual reasons, but for political reasons. But since there is no Prophet after Muhammad ﷺ, they seek it with the Dajjal (one eye false messiah). And they have prepared the way for his coming through hollywood with superhumans and the one eye symbols. His emergence is near. No one will be able to believe in Islam when he appears due to the huge Fitnah (trial) and supernatural doubts that he will come with. Whatever is holding you back from Islam today, are small potatoes in comparison to his Fitan (trials). They always inclined to shirk (polytheism), the calf, adopted their neighbours ways and ended up with this Yahweh. Even the name Israel is evidence that El, meaning God - Allah ﷻ is the God. Yahweh is a jinn. 'Ikrimah رحمه الله said: جَبْرَ، وَمِيكَ، وَسَرَافِ عَبْدٌ. إِيلْ اللَّهُ. "Each of the words: Jabra, and Mika, Saraaf means slave, and (the word) Il (El) means Allah."[¹] [Sahih al-Bukhari » Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an » The Header of the Chapter (6) "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril (Gabriel)..." (V.2:97)] ______ [¹] Thus Jibreel (Gabriel), Mika'eel (Michael), and Israfeel (Sarafil) each means Allah's slave. Johannes C. De Moor says: "Who is this god Yw who would take over Baal's mountain with help of his father El? _In my opinion, he is none other than YHWH._ Formerly, I rejected this identification, like most of my esteemed colleagues. _But in view of a number of new data I have revised my opinion on this issue..."_ [Congress Volume, Paris 1992: by John Adney Emerton p. 220] Norman Cohn mentions how scholars suspected that the Ugaritic Yaw might be the prototype for Yahweh: "It is becoming ever more difficult to say with any confidence when, where and how the Israelites first came to know the god Yahweh. It may be that, as Exodus says, he was originally a Midianite god, introduced into the land of Canaan by immigrants from Egypt; or he may have started as a minor member of the Canaanite pantheon... _Originally El was the supreme god for Israelites as he had always been for Canaanites._ Even if one discounts the pronouncement of El in the Baal cycle: _'The name of my son is Yaw'_ - the import of which is still being debated - one cannot ignore a passage in the Bible which shows Yahweh as subordinate to El. Deuteronomy 32:8 tells how when El Elyon, i.e., El the Most High, parcelled out the nations between his sons, Yahweh received Israel as his portion." [p.131-132. "Yahweh and the Jerusalem Monarchy." Norman Cohn. Cosmos, Chaos and the World to Come, The Ancient Roots of Apocalyptic Faith. New Haven and London. Yale University Press. 1993]

@Ibn_Abdulaziz

6 күн бұрын

Allah سبحانه وتعالى said, وَجَعَلُوا بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجِنَّةِ نَسَبًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمَتِ الْجِنَّةُ إِنَّهُمْ لَمُحْضَرُونَ And they have invented a kinship (pantheon of offspring) between Him and the jinn, but the jinn know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e. they will be called to account). سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ Glorified be Allah! (He is free) from what (falsehood) they attribute unto Him! [As-Saffaat 37:158-159] وَجَعَلُوا لِلَّهِ شُرَكَاءَ الْجِنَّ وَخَلَقَهُمْ ۖ وَخَرَقُوا لَهُ بَنِينَ وَبَنَاتٍ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ And they make the jinn as partners in worship with Allah, though He has created them (the jinn); and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified and Exalted above all that (falsehood) they attribute to Him. بَدِيعُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۖ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَمْ تَكُن لَّهُ صَاحِبَةٌ ۖ وَخَلَقَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ ۖ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything. [Al-An'aam 6:100-101] That is why Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was sent with the Qur'an. The jews deviated and became magicians due to their greed for this life, even seeking immortality. And in their magic religion and its offshoots (western secret soceity sects) they worship the jinn believing them to be angels. An example of that is the magician and kaahin (oracle) of Elizabeth the first. John Dee sought the formula of gold for her by way of alchemy and invoked (worshipped) "angels" when some jinn devils answered him and gave him a new script that he calls angelic script. Those jinn told him and his friend Edward Kelley to switch wives i.e. commit adultery, and that only then will they get the formula from them. The wives told them that these were devils and not angels that they were communicating with. But they didn't listen. Once they did the act, the jinn left and betrayed them. And their lives were ruined after that. Thus to make you catch up and understand what the matter is really about, our 'Aqidah (Creed) is Surah Al-Ikhlaas, the 112th Surah of the Qur'an. That Allah ﷻ is One, has no equal, begets not, nor was Allah ﷻ begotten. And also Ayat Al-Kursi 255th Ayah of Surah Al-Baqarah, that the angels cannot intercede for anyone without Allah's ﷻ permission. To not take angels, Prophets, saints as lords to be invoked, but to be a Pure Monotheist and to not say that you will turn to dust and vanish into non-existence. The christian calls you to ascribe offspring and partners to God while the atheist calls you to despair and believe that you'll vanish into non-existence with whomever you quarreled with, thus making this life and world existing with falsehood, injustice, vain and indifference. Truth never existed to them, and thus they were just being restless menace when it didn't matter if anyone was an atheist once they become equal in non-existence with whoever agreed or disagreed with them. And that could happen at anytime, so why waste your few moments of existence trying to convince others of falsehood when truth never existed to you? Preserving lusts, desires, addictions is the reason.

@bitangayves2125

5 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Literally the only thing protecting Dinesh from gut-wrenching, bag-on-head embarrassment by that debate is his own utter lack of self-awareness.

@castor-zv9kv

11 күн бұрын

I'm sure that all the money flowing in from the credulous masses helps him cope too.

@munchkingod6

8 күн бұрын

It’s not just this debate. His entire body of work is this bad. He’s a grifter who wouldn’t know truth or moral decency if it bit him.

@knutthompson7879

8 күн бұрын

The way D’Souza keeps on coming back for more is impressive I guess but also embarrassing. He got into a Twitter exchange about Southern American political history with an actual historian a few years ago that was an intellectual massacre, but he just kept on going for weeks as if utterly unaware how outclassed he was.

@michaelehlert9

8 күн бұрын

He’s not even a good grifter

@EliosMoonElios

8 күн бұрын

"his own utter lack of self-awareness" Are you really that stupid? He know exactly what he is doing, he know he is a liar exploiting faith to get easy money.

The wit of Hitch and Dillahunty, paired with an unmatched knowledge of the bible. All delivered politely without cussing or anger. This man is a debate assassin.

@mikev4621

11 күн бұрын

needs to let his opponent answer the questions though- rather than assuming he's already right, and carrying on to his next point.

@Amanita._.Verosa._.

11 күн бұрын

​@@mikev4621 Indeed. Alex could hold back just a bit. One of the things that made Hitch so appealing was that he knew how to be patient and while he was being patient you could see sometimes in his face that he had a reply and was simply waiting.

@mikev4621

11 күн бұрын

@@Amanita._.Verosa._. And he had that right from the start of his career.I like Alex though

@Jocky8807

9 күн бұрын

Alex was right. The god bible started with 1 person, into 1 family, into 1 race, into 1 nation, into everyone else. And it is okay. Because anyone could join the tribe by accepting the allegiance to yahweh. And, to become a chosen people was much more burdensome than not. So it was a privilege, but also a burden. Not the other way around.

@tdb517

8 күн бұрын

@@mikev4621 Alex is 25. When he will be 40, he will have the maturity of the people he's being compared to and will be an absolute legend.

"All you need to do to justify anti slavery in the Bible is to completely ignore the actual words." -Dinesh D'Souza, basically

@CJFCarlsson

8 күн бұрын

Atheist citing something someone never said, no wonder you never have enough evidence. "basically".

@a.p.2019

8 күн бұрын

@CJFCarlsson LOL enough evidence for what, to not believe in your specific flying spaghetti monster? Might want to check your burden of proof.

@CJFCarlsson

8 күн бұрын

@@a.p.2019 It makes a lot of sense that a person who is made of pasta thinks lols is an argument. No. I am not going to tell you you can do better than that. There is NO burden of proof in telling you not to lie, soil yourselves, murder and steal.

@ducksdog9996

7 күн бұрын

@@CJFCarlsson Idrc about this argument as I'm just watching it to learn how to debate better but i dont think atheists or who your arguing against disagrees with not murdering, and you might not see it this way but others could you view this as saying atheists (or agnostics) have no moral system which is utterly dehumanising no matter what beliefs you have

@CJFCarlsson

7 күн бұрын

@@ducksdog9996 Sounds like you believe persons without morals or who have deficient morals are in some way not human, by your use of the word "dehumanising". It is a point. It would make it a lot harder for them to live in civilised society, as proven by psychopats as individual cases or by communists when it comes to how to run a whole society without morals. There is lots of deflection going on here. They are very human. It is as natural to lie as it is to be truthful, as natural to pretend as it is to be genuine.

"Wasn't God a bad guy ?" "Don't Worry, Jesus patched it"

@Uriel-Septim.

7 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hHyHzsFsXcSygKw.html

Watching this debate was completely and utterly painful, you did well to control yourself.

@langreeves6419

11 күн бұрын

I didnt watch but a few minutes. Neither one is interested in knowledge, just in being right. That's why I rarely watch debates. It's not an efficient way to learn.

@Tsotanga2

11 күн бұрын

​@@langreeves6419Imagine thinking that 'being right' is not essential to discovering knowledge. What wild JordanPetersonian drivel.

@diegocm8636

11 күн бұрын

Yeah.. Ganesh will do that to any sane person

@avatarmufasa3628

11 күн бұрын

@@langreeves6419 Whilst they are having a debate, i dont think its reasonable to then conclude that neither is interested in learning. And sometimes being right is motivation to learning and is often the basis for a lot of scientists. I would actually argue that Alex is. I havent watched enough of the other guy, but the little i have seen would indicate otherwise.

@lukaslambs5780

11 күн бұрын

When he used the “Christians abolished slavery” argument I’d have probably lost it tbh. So many issues with that claim.

Do not forget that at the end Dinesh left Alex intentionally hanging when he wanted to shake his hand. Absolutely old testament behaviour.

@JimBobJoeB0b

11 күн бұрын

Did he? I thought they were just grabbing their books.

@TheLochs

10 күн бұрын

lol

@bevgroves8062

9 күн бұрын

It was predictable after the immense lack of eye contact, which was very strange to watch.

@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262

8 күн бұрын

You're reading Dinesh "rejecting a handshake" into both of them awkwardly leaning over to pick up some stuff. Persecution complex.

@Quetzietse

4 күн бұрын

@@bevgroves8062 Right? Dinesh kept trying to work the audience and looked away from the person he was supposedly talking to. He looked scared or embarassed, he knew he was getting destroyed lol.

Seeing Dinesh being hitchslapped by Christopher was always a joy, but Alex is surgically dissecting the guys argument by it. Love it!

@A_Stereotypical_Heretic

2 күн бұрын

Yeah it was always brute force with Hitchens, just overwhelming his opponents with rhetoric and rationale. Alex is more of a surgical striker. It's interesting to watch. Unfortunately for Dinesh, he is an intelligent person, but every debate he has ever been in has him on the defensive and on his heels. It's hard to come out on top being on the defensive.

Alex's calm interview style is one of my favourite things to listen to. Alex in hitch mode like this is my favourite. Do more of this for sheer entertainment value

Dinesh thoroughly embarrassed himself. Alex was sharp as ever

@johnnash10

11 күн бұрын

He was basically answering the questions without even understanding the whole question. Just an illiterate tryna be intellectual

@Razoredge581

11 күн бұрын

That's what Dinesh does in any debate or discussion format he finds himself in. Genuinely pathetic grifter.

@SpockrulesBJJ

11 күн бұрын

To be fair, when has Dinesh D'souza not embarrassed himself?

@RidetheGeoffening

11 күн бұрын

Always has , always does , always will.

@ThePond135

11 күн бұрын

@@Razoredge581 How is a grifter? What do you even mean when you use this word? Genuinely confused

One of these debaters was not prepared

@frankxu4795

11 күн бұрын

It's not so much that he is unprepared. It's the fundamental flaws from the religious arguments that cannot be fixed.

@MinosML

11 күн бұрын

​@@frankxu4795while I agree, he wasn't even prepared about those 😅

@lesediamondamane

11 күн бұрын

​@@frankxu4795 Yep. His position is indefensible, hence he has to go off the rails and not stop talking so he can't be checked on nonsense he's preaching.

@robweis9

11 күн бұрын

He just didn't have the proper accent😂

@disturbed157

11 күн бұрын

The guy who constantly interrupted clearly

In the past I had thought that debating people like Dinesh is a waste of time. Now I realize that it's important to make these debates available to the widest possible audience as any honest theist who cares about truth will see the obvious issues with their faith.

@maicholor2849

8 күн бұрын

Why is faith necessary if humans are perfect?

@crazyprayingmantis5596

7 күн бұрын

We're at the point where we need apologists for apologists

I can't guarantee a lot, but I can guarantee that D'Souza will never debate Alex again

@nickgoldring1446

4 күн бұрын

@riff... YOU can't guarantee anything. Put a sock in it.

@riffhammeron

4 күн бұрын

@@nickgoldring1446 no, I can

@anthonyschneider8835

3 күн бұрын

He’s a grifter only doing it for the money and fame

@nickgoldring1446

3 күн бұрын

@@riffhammeron You must have voted for Obama's third term. Ends November 5th.

@riffhammeron

2 күн бұрын

@@nickgoldring1446 What does that have to do with D'Souza getting his ass embarrassingly kicked?

Dinesh: "God loves everyone equally!" Also Dinesh: "God sides with one group of people over another" Did God love the caananites and amalakites equally too?

@2l84me8

11 күн бұрын

He certainly doesn’t love nonbelievers nor gay people.

@zzzzzz69

11 күн бұрын

Contradictions not contradicting is a divine trait apparently

@12monkies123

11 күн бұрын

He certainly favoured one son over others to the determinant of Able and Joseph. Doesn’t sound like God stands for equality .

@PigOfGreed

11 күн бұрын

God doesn’t love everyone equally, there’s literally a verse of God saying He hates someone. It’s just a poor reading of the Bible.

@darren.mcauliffe

11 күн бұрын

Yes, but he loves the Israelites more equally.

From poisoning the well, to hand-waving, to back-tracking, to false dichotomies, Dinesh did it all and Alex didn't fall for any of it. I'm so happy Alex has come so far, it's been amazing watching him grow.

@dirkmoras

11 күн бұрын

Alex is growing, but 5 years ago he could handle this situation with ease aswell.

@willmosse3684

11 күн бұрын

@@dirkmorasYeah, that’s what I was thinking. Alex is young, but he’s been annihilating this kind of stuff for years.

@hotstixx

11 күн бұрын

Dsouzas such a well practiced old fraud.

@Jeff-wl1cz

11 күн бұрын

thats what she said

@whatoh3407

11 күн бұрын

It feels like the good intellectuals always seem to come out AFTER the grifters and snakes already poisoned the well. I've been seeing an uptick in more centered critical thinking intellectuals.

1: "I want to hear the verses" 2: "Word salad" 1: "This always happens" 2: "Different topic"

So Dinesh's defense of the Bible is, "All good people know to ignore certain parts of it that are bad, so it's good." Weird flex, but okay.

@crazyprayingmantis5596

7 күн бұрын

The funny part about that is God doesn't consider any human being "good" We're all filthy sinners who deserve punishment apparently

@steefvanburen7985

5 күн бұрын

​@@crazyprayingmantis5596 come one the dude sent his son ... 😂😂

@user-jt5vi8cm1m

Күн бұрын

​@@steefvanburen7985 His son clearly loves us so much that he let millions of children starving to death in Africa 🥰

The whole debate was so cringe and embarrassing. The dude has to be a troll for atheism. Alex annihilated him on every point, and Dinesh KO'd himself multiple times. Brilliant.

@TheHuxleyAgnostic

11 күн бұрын

Dinesh has always been dmbr than a stump. He just appeals to people even dmbr.

@oftenincorrect

11 күн бұрын

Leviticus 24:44-46: Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellows ruthlessly.

@foppishdilletaunt9911

11 күн бұрын

Ganesh D’ Sousaphone (childish I know) is such a pseudo-intellectual. Kant & Hegel, you poseur. Felon and fascist enabler. Fie ! Feh !

@rumple7551

11 күн бұрын

When he's not telling lies about a magic diety he's telling lies for his tangerine diety his film 2000jackasses was pulled by its distributor for lies 🤡

@iExploder

11 күн бұрын

@BluuuudSo you would agree that the Bible is not applicable to the modern world, then?

I've never seen Dinesh exposed so thoroughly

@generic1337gamer

10 күн бұрын

Well, then you need to rewatch Dinesh v Hitchens debates 😉 but I understand the sentiment

@72PMChambers

10 күн бұрын

As @generic1337gamer says, you don't have to look hard. I was expecting him to be destroyed as he goes well over his level in debate. Dinesh v Hitchen Dinesh v Dillahunty Dinesh v Anyone who's not extreme ideologue. But what's interesting is the following debaters use very different styles to achieve the same result. Hitchen's charisma is a hard force to handle. Live a lot of KZread debators Dinesh wins arguments against ill prepared, poorly experienced young students in controlled environments. He is well practised and practise and preparedness can often win over substance.

@willemvandeursen3105

8 күн бұрын

@bojackharkness, He was also exposed as an adulterer. Nothing unlawful, just a Christian tradition: "Jesus forgives, on beforehand" 🙂

Moses Slavery: ~1300y, Christian Slavery: ~1700y, Christian Abolitionism: ~250y..... You really think the Christian God is the perfect moral arbiter and also never changes?

@Jocky8807

9 күн бұрын

Yes. Because since the beginning there was one law that a bit difficult to omit. Love thy neighbor as yourself. Even if you own a slaves, and then treated them with love. It was actually come out quite okay. 🙏

@maximus3159

9 күн бұрын

​@@Jocky8807huh?????😂

@Sirrus-Adam

8 күн бұрын

Well, Christians don't own God, any more than any other religions do. The Christian ideas of God made some improvements over the ideas about God in the Old Testament, or in the surrounding area. Our concepts of who and what God is, continue to grow and develop, despite what a "holy scripture" may say. Now we have a new text that provides a boatload of additional information about God, in Part I of The Urantia Book.

@patrickday8067

8 күн бұрын

@@maximus3159don’t try. They’re brain dead.

@skindred1888

8 күн бұрын

A slave isnt your neighbour. Theyre your slave. ​@@Jocky8807

If only Dinesh studied cognitive biases before studying fairytales.

Dinesh's argument basically amounts to: Christians cherry pick the bible and often don't even read it, so don't tell me about my god by quoting his holy word.

@robweis9

11 күн бұрын

'If you read the Bible objectively instead of the way a halfwit sycophant would, you won't come to the same conclusion as my fuckwit bootlicking financiers.'

@justchilling704

11 күн бұрын

That’s a good straw man, and I don’t even think he performed well myself.

@toonyandfriends1915

11 күн бұрын

@@justchilling704 i am thinking exactly the same

@VikVaughnMISC

11 күн бұрын

@@justchilling704 nah it was a steelman.

You thought Dinesh was bad at debating politics, but holy fuck...

@elephant_888

11 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@skepticalbutopen4620

11 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@odinallfarther6038

10 күн бұрын

I avoided this because of the way denesh bull doses ,bull chits and babbles . But Alex did a rather good job ,it is sad this grifter has got away with this for so long .

@kingsanom1

10 күн бұрын

@@odinallfarther6038 It's true. I feel like he diminished in popularity since the pandemic, but he was fairly prominent during Trump's presidency. I forgot how annoying he was, massive grifter indeed.

@IsmailofeRegime

8 күн бұрын

@@kingsanom1 He was treated as a "respectable" conservative commenter in the media back in the 90s and early 2000s, but when Obama got elected he seemed intent on building up a profitable following among the dumber portions of American conservatism with the whole "o no Obama is a racist black man and socialist who will ruin America" stuff, and since that hurt what credibility he had, he decided to double down defending the good name of Trump, etc.

Slavery abolition started in France in the late 18th Century, not America in the 19th.

Amazing work, Alex. Exposing people like this is great. I hope you continue with these kinds of debates.

Alex O’Connor totally destroys these guys.

@darren.mcauliffe

11 күн бұрын

This guy destroyed himself. Alex didn't have to do much.

@mattgyrich1531

11 күн бұрын

Dinesh is the weakest marinara sauce there is. Alex's strength here is how politely he disassembled him. So as to not make his perspective look bad.

@gabrielamaral978

11 күн бұрын

​@@darren.mcauliffe Still his merit, don't shit on other's work

@darren.mcauliffe

11 күн бұрын

@@gabrielamaral978 I didn’t say he didn’t do anything, just that it was made easy for him.

@gabrielamaral978

11 күн бұрын

@@darren.mcauliffe yeah, but you attributed more demerit from the guy than merit from Alex

Apologist is a good name for these people. They should apologize for such poor reasoning/spin.

@c.a.t.732

11 күн бұрын

I like the term "excusigist" as coined by Mr. Deity.

@duediligence8888

11 күн бұрын

Excusegist

@spartanladkenny7870

11 күн бұрын

Exactly! Listening to him gives me a head ache.

@cegesh1459

11 күн бұрын

Indeed, they are deplorable.

@serversurfer6169

11 күн бұрын

They’re trying! 😅

Alex was masterful at holding Dinesh to account for his BS.

I only saw the opening statements live and things were so calm during those. Now I have to go and watch the whole thing because this is crazy. I've never seen Dinesh pinned down like this in a debate.

Dinesh's argument is that "you must read the bible like a christian reads it". Ummm...you mean only literally when it suits an ulterior purpose or motive? Otherwise, it's just a bunch of tales from the Bedouin of Arabia. That's exactly how Dinesh reads it.

@adamgates1142

11 күн бұрын

Ive heard many Christians tell me I shouldn't read it at all and instead should have an priest explain it to me.

@pauligrossinoz

11 күн бұрын

Christians can't agree on the meaning of the Bible, even among their co-religionists. If the only basis for Biblicsl "truth" was "A Christian says its true", then that's just opened the door to an endless morass of arguments that Christians can't settle about the many many Bible versions. Plus a whole lot of other arguments besides that!

@mokshit7620

11 күн бұрын

Is this Dinesh guy Christian?

@dantex8983

11 күн бұрын

@@mokshit7620yep, an Indian American Christian.

@mokshit7620

11 күн бұрын

@@dantex8983 intresting because his first name "Dinesh" is a sanskrit name meaning "Lord of the day or the sun God in hinduism". Quite blasphemous for a Christian and is pagan too.

keep up the great work.

Keep up the great work Alex

The gentle eviscerator at work again, making all the old apologists obsolete. It was impressive to behold.

@tristinyaeger9222

11 күн бұрын

The gentle eviscerator is my new band name.

This "debate" seems more like a person working at a psych ward talking to a lost-case patient.

Anyone who claims to understand the wishes of a supernatural being should be kept well away from children.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

7 күн бұрын

Amen! I wouldn't want someone like Dinesh anywhere near a classroom ful of kids!

Alex, I am so full of admiration of your intellectual talent. I wish you all the best, the world needs your lucid, incisive thoughts

I give that guy's mental gymnastics an "11". 🙄

Dinesh: "New Atheists make truth claims about things there's no way of knowing." Also Dinesh: "My Christian God absolutely exists." 🤡😂😂

@milberg4338

11 күн бұрын

@Bluuuud hehe my God would kill your god in a 1v1. ez

@booksquid856

11 күн бұрын

​@Bluuuud Atheists don't typically make the claims that you pretend they do. You are projecting the positions of your own faith delusion. Atheists and theists alike face the very same situation of adopting and adapting to both ancient cultural biases and present day experiences. Attaching these to an imaginary friend does nothing to alter that moral relativism. For example, I could start attaching all my beliefs onto Santa, admit that I have no way of proving he exists, and then gloat over those who simply choose to act kindly without believing in him.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

11 күн бұрын

@Bluuuud Atheists simply lack belief in a god or gods. Period end of story. There's zero faith involved at all. Most atheists I encounter also leave space open for a scientific "god" variant but only one in which current science allows for. Faith, belief, is irrelevant. You can conject philosophically on leprechauns & unicorns as well, but their existence exhibits the exact potentiality of truth value as claiming the very specific Abrahamic beliefs the debate is discussing here. Faith based in prerequisite claims based in faith, is still faith. This is the Bible, and this is Christian theism. The very specific events within the Bible that are critical to the veracity of not only it's historicity, but the reasoning behind basing your entire worldviews on, is utterly unfalsifiable by how facts are discerned, making the entire concept pure philosophy & metaphors, etcetera.

@booksquid856

11 күн бұрын

​@Bluuuud Attaching your culturally informed beliefs to an imaginary friend does nothing to alter the relativism. ;)

@SamoaVsEverybody814

11 күн бұрын

@Bluuuud Respectfully, atheists simply lack belief in a god or gods. Period end of story. There's zero faith involved at all. Most atheists I encounter also leave space open for a scientific "god" variant but only one in which current science allows for. Faith, belief, is irrelevant. You can conject philosophically on leprechauns & unicorns as well, but their existence exhibits the exact potentiality of truth value as claiming the very specific Abrahamic beliefs the debate is discussing here. Faith based in prerequisite claims based in faith, is still faith. This is the Bible, and this is Christian theism. The very specific events within the Bible that are critical to the veracity of not only it's historicity, but the reasoning behind basing your entire worldviews on, is utterly unfalsifiable by how facts are discerned, making the entire concept pure philosophy & metaphors, etcetera. I forget who said it, but the fact that scientific advancements have little to no affect on Abrahamism's numbers is proof positive that it's never been about actual truth, but simply humanity's desperation for a higher purpose, and death anxiety. I know all the arguments and not a single one is compelling at all when pitted against what's known.

Alex bringing some Hitchslaps. Look forward to seeing where your career is going to take you! Nicely done 👏

Love this for you Alex. Keep crushing it bro!

9:28 “A Christian book has to be understood in the way Christians understand it.” 🙋🏼‍♂️ That’s a cult. ❤

@Dan16673

11 күн бұрын

Da book make da sounds me like hear, good to me ear

@Luckyland2014

9 күн бұрын

Not really. If I want to understand a language, then I'd try to understand from people who already spoke it

@Dan16673

9 күн бұрын

@Luckyland2014 not the same. You don't understand something from folks who already are invested in it being true or useful

@gianfrancomargaritha329

9 күн бұрын

A "Christian book" that originated in the Middle East, originally written in Hebrew and Greek, that favors one specific ethnic group (Israelites) who are Jews, not christian🙄🙄 #MakeItMakeSense

@stephtimms1776

9 күн бұрын

No, Paul in the Holy Bible once said man can only comprehend the things of God through the spirit of God. For example, God's NOT fine with the oppression of anyone, contrary to what Alex asserted, but God allows those who insist upon the natural consequences of their actions and choices. God allows this against his repeated commandments and warnings, and his sending his Son Jesus to save the world from mistakes when they repent.

From the bible; eating shrimp or wearing linen and wool together was forbidden. Even in the New Covenant, "slave's obey your Master's." Christian's are taught to "become slave's to god." The Bible never stopped condoning slavery.

@Clogmonger

11 күн бұрын

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them." -Jesus, apparently

@itf2212

8 күн бұрын

Amen. Dinesh has mixed water with wine and pours out weakness.

This is a return to form, I’m very used to him having respectful conversations but I’ve missed the debates

Already knew how this was going to go before watching. Watched anyway for Alex

I was really worried for Alex's blood pressure here. Quite frankly, I was close to having a stroke after hearing such unbelievable dodging, denial, and strawmanning. "Weasel" is the only word I can think of to describe Dinesh. Well done, Alex.

@xymos7807

10 күн бұрын

I know Alex really likes to strawman.

Dinesh falls under the category, 'A Dumb Person's Idea of a Smart Person'.

ALEX, I COMMENTTED ON YOUR ORIGINAL " FEAR OF HELL " VIDEO A FEW YEARS AGO. I SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT YOUR QUOTE OF HAVING AN " INSTINCTUAL " FEAR OF HELL WAS INACCURATE, AS A FEAR OF HELL IS TAUGHT/LEARNED, WHEREAS A FEAR OF HEIGHTS, RATHER, WOULD BE " INSTINCTUAL ". YOU CAME OUT WITH A SECOND VIDEO ON THE SAME SUBJECT, EXPLAINING YOU HAD FINALLY GOTTEN OVER YOUR " FEAR " OF HELL. CONGRATULATIONS! WELL, I TOLD YOU I WOULD BE WATCHING YOU ALONG YOUR PATH, I KNEW YOU HAD GREAT POTENTIAL TO BECOME A GREAT DEBATER, AND I HAVE TO SAY, YOU DID NOT LET ME DOWN! GREAT JOB WITH DINESH! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! JEFF ROUTSON

8:28 "millions of abolitionist preachers" really? There were millions of abolitionist preachers in the US during slavery? That is incredibly inaccurate.

"The God of the Old Testament ... acts like a tribal God". Good job of making Alex's point there Dinesh. The way D'Souza suddenly started using the term Yahweh was comical. Essentially he wants the Bible to be the story of two Gods. The nasty one and the nice one.

@pmaitrasm

11 күн бұрын

Marcion, an admirer, and perhaps a disciple of Saint Paul, said just that - the god of the New Testament is most certainly not the god of the Old Testament. The more Christians cling onto this monotheism belief, the more they will get embarrassed by the likes of Alex.

@robweis9

11 күн бұрын

I've never seen Alex perk up like that. Like a hungry little spider with a wiggling web.

@booksquid856

11 күн бұрын

​@@pmaitrasm "Paul" was a pseudonym and character based on the concept of a Roman censor. It was one of several fictions created by the Alexandrian satirist--also sometimes called by his other fiction alias "Josephus--who masterminded the gospel campaign, organized the rewriting of Jewish history, and banned Jews from discussing their own constitutional narratives in any way not authorized by Rome. "Jesus" is a literary puppet in whose mouth is put the words of not only "Josephus" but Titus as well, the gospels satirizing his war campaign in Judea.

@pmaitrasm

11 күн бұрын

@@booksquid856, Yes, Josephus Flavius is Joseph bar Mathea who is Joseph of Aramathea. Titus Flavius Vespasianus is the Father (about to become God) and his son Titus Cæsar Vespasianus is the Son of Man (about to become Son of God).

@stilltoomanyhats

10 күн бұрын

Classic good cop, bad cop routine

It's so fascinating to see a theist admit that

@robweis9

11 күн бұрын

To be fair Dinesh is a grifter, not a theist. He's too lazy and inept to get a real job, kinda like Peterson. His siblings are probably neuroscientists.

@justchilling704

11 күн бұрын

@@robweis9Ah of course questioning a theists sincerity that’s not a tired cliche from atheists.

@Theos-ne7nv

11 күн бұрын

​@@justchilling704 Oh, you sweet summer child. Go read the guy's wikipedia page and some of his trash. I dare you to not get to the conclussion that he's a dishonest failure of a human being. I honestly dare you. 20$.

@LeoVital

11 күн бұрын

@@justchilling704 You don't wanna go there, trust me. One of the most common tropes amongst theists is saying that atheists know God exists but they just wanna keep sinning, or that there's plenty of evidence for God but the atheist's heart is unwilling to accept them. Theists do that way more than atheists.

@jagramger

11 күн бұрын

​@@robweis9Just partly right and quite hasty. Before becoming famous, Peterson was (still is too) a very knowlegeable pyschologist and university professor. Definitely real occupations. He's a an expert in those matters, but is an absolute buffoon when it comes to theist apologetics.

Alex, you have my symphyses, it's hard debating with a closed mind.

Jesus stood against the cruelty of yahweh. For which, his followers killed him, then co-opted his story into their religion.

@Florin9T

6 күн бұрын

You might be right, but this mean that the Christianity of the Church is actually a masked cult of Jahweh or Yehova. They hacked the true meaning of Christ's message and they turned into a cult in which there is GOD and SINNER, HEAVEN and HELL, DAMNATION and SALVATION. Plus, religions, especially Abrahamic ones, completely ignore modern science discoveries and modern society. People should live and think exactly according to their principles and especially to their dogmas. I am no longer religious. It's been years since I have last prayed. But I do ask myself many questions.

Did no-one tell Dinesh not to do this? it was an embarrassing mess for him

Notice how Dinesh tries to portray himself as rational and logical and intellectual but notice how emotional he got how much he interrupted Alex and how he kept raising his voice.

@mickeycz

11 күн бұрын

that's a typical pattern, which you see with many of his lot - he could certainly qualify for the Dunning Kruger Platinum Award

@pablodemorais9320

11 күн бұрын

I definitely take Alex's side in this debate, but it's very dishonest to argue that losing one's temper necessarily means one is not a rational and intellectual person. This premise is perfect for extreme-level gaslighting.

@SamyasaSwi

11 күн бұрын

​That I think is true One does not just lose its temper because they're on the losing side. There's many reasons to lose one's temper, some more respectable than others​@@pablodemorais9320

@JimBobJoeB0b

11 күн бұрын

@@pablodemorais9320I do agree that we shouldn’t put blame on Dinesh for getting heated, just as Alex did. In fact, it took up until the last 10-15 minutes for things to really get heated, that’s worthy of applause to both of them! Sometimes it’s fun to get a bit heated in debates anyways 😆

@mikev4621

11 күн бұрын

He had to raise his voice because Alex kept climbing into him before he'd finished his answers.

Thank you Alex. Just one big Thank you. We need more people like you.

Interesting how Christians can't just say, "Every religion is wrong. Because humanity is stumbling in the dark, just like it always has been. If there's only one pure path to the best possible outcome for everyone, then we think, based on results, that our blind stumbling path is pretty good compared to a lot of others. And you could clearly do way worse."

@androkguz

6 күн бұрын

Honestly, that's a respectable point. It doesn't go far, but it works where it works

Alex: “please point to ONE verse anywhere that specifically says slavery is wrong” Dinesh: *gish gallops into infinity and beyond”

@ts8960

11 күн бұрын

Leviticus 19:34 > The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. Exodus 22:21 > Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. Deuteronomy 10:19 > And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. Leviticus 23:22 > When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the Lord your God. Deuteronomy 24:17-18 > Do not deprive the foreigner or the fatherless of justice, or take the cloak of the widow as a pledge. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you from there. That is why I command you to do this. Deuteronomy 24:19 > When you are harvesting in your field and you overlook a sheaf, do not go back to get it. Leave it for the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

@spidermonkey7280

11 күн бұрын

@@ts8960so then how do you reconcile these passages with the passages explicitly endorsing slavery? I’d really like to know. As from what I’ve read it seems as though this is just mentioning sojourners in your land, and is not talking about slavery in the slightest. When discussing slavery it specifically mentions “from the heathen around you” and other such statements, clearly condoning the taking of slaves after war/conflict

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

​@spidermonkey7280 There are no passages that explicitly endorse slavery man unless one reads Roman Empire era slavery or the triangular slavery back into the OT where they don't exist.

@spidermonkey7280

11 күн бұрын

@@signposts6189 then what are your thoughts on Exodus 21? How does that not explicitly endorse slavery? It provides rules for it ffs

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

@@spidermonkey7280 It doesn't. Exodus 21 provides rules for contracted/covenanted servants, not slaves.

Amazing point, when almost everyone was a Christian, Christians started the abolition movement

@orangezeroalpha

11 күн бұрын

When being a non-Christian means loss of property or death, weird that only Christians were building all the bridges... but seriously, Dinesh is only off by at least 2500 years on the whole "lets not keep slaves" idea. His tiny, deceptive worldview is plainly there for all to see.

@ButConsiderThis

11 күн бұрын

Same as “well look at these scientists from 200 years ago! They were all religious therefore science wouldn’t exist without religion 😂😂😂

@1969cmp

10 күн бұрын

....and yet today, Gregor Mendel is still the father of genetics while Darwin failed in his ideas of genetic inheritance. ​@@ButConsiderThis

@ButConsiderThis

10 күн бұрын

@@1969cmp who cares? Science isn’t about a man. It’s a method of discovery spanning the entire human species. Science can admit when it’s wrong and advance beyond. Religion can’t. It’s outdated and useless.

@user-ot1tr5kc2o

9 күн бұрын

​@@1969cmpHow did Darwin fail in his ideas of genetic inheritance?

Hmmm... They finally decided to argue against slavery during the enlightenment... it's as if having the ability to doubt their tradition freed them up to improve their morality. Every time a christian tradition is changed, removed or replaced it is the direct result of a secular thought because it is a thought which contradicts the religion. In christian tradition, moral advancement is impossible without blasphemy and it takes a freedom to commit that blasphemy to spread moral advancement.

Interesting stuff

Dinesh got absolutely O'Connor-ed in this segment

Must say it was an absolute pain to listen to Dinesh.

"The easiest way to destroy a foolish person is letting him talk"

I would love to speak with someone like you Alex. I was raised without a religious upbringing and then at the age of 17 I became a Christian and I do study theology & apologetics. We have a lot in common! Worth the shot. God bless!

I love how Alex keeps the respect and eye contact with his rival not with audience, amazing clarity 💪

I love Dinesh's terrible analogy "it's like a story about murder". No it's like a story telling you it's morally righteous to murder and how to do it properly.

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

Where does the story tell you it's morally righteous to murder and how to do it?

@kareemnj6248

11 күн бұрын

​@@signposts6189The OLD testament is full of this, have you read it?

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

@@kareemnj6248 I have read the OT. But you didn't answer my question. Be specific instead of vaguely talking about how the is allegedly full of this.

@kareemnj6248

11 күн бұрын

@@signposts6189 Deuteronomy 20:16 Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Joshua 6:17 Joshua 6:21 Samuel 15:3 Judges 14:19 Numbers 31:17-18 Psalms 137:9 Samuel 12:13-18 (God allows a baby to be born only to kill it for the fathers simple sin) Leviticus 20:27 Leviticus 21:9 (this one is not a metaphor for gods wrath, an actual punishment that was pursued even by Christians) Deuteronomy 17:12 Deuteronomy 17:2-5 Matthew 10:34 Ezekiel 35:7-9 Be quiet 🤣

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

@@kareemnj6248 None of these passages tell you it's morally righteous to murder and how to do it. Take 2 Samuel 12:13-18. How does it teach that it is morally righteous to murder and how to do it?

I don't know if it's just how this guy debates, but it seemed a little odd that he wouldn't look at you once this whole time. Kinda matched up with how he refused to actually answer half of your questions and kept going back to "you don't understand"

I will NEVER get tired of watching Alex dismantle every single argument that is put forth in these debates. The fact he uses bible quotes is just the absolute cherry on top.

Guess according to his logic, we can apply equal treatment to gays getting married? Apparently you can just ignore parts of the Bible because "treat others as you were to be treated" supercedes all!

@pauligrossinoz

11 күн бұрын

Exactly! ❤👍

@Amanita._.Verosa._.

11 күн бұрын

According to DD's logic, being gayy is only acceptabIe when old menn are attackinng boys.

@epmcgee

10 күн бұрын

That is technically what Christianity is. The New Testament is written about the New Covenant and the Old Testament is written about the Old Covenant. Although that also contradicts Jesus's statement that he didn't come to remove the law but to fulfill the law.

@DundG

10 күн бұрын

@@epmcgee That's why Christians rather pick the things they like and ignore the others, or don't compare certain parts to not encounter the inconsistencies of this book. There are some good ideas in Christianity, but this damn book in it's totality is now rather a problem for those who want to use it to gain a following or maintain this group. That's why they pick the verses and hand wave away the fact that this book describes their deity as a being we today consider horrendously immoral.

@dyrtyharry6789

9 күн бұрын

​@@DundGi agree that christians tend to be inconsistent with their Bibllical observances... but i don't see how its just as inconsistent of the anti-thiests who cherrypick the worst parts of the Bible to portary YHWH... while, when you _actually_ read it, their "terrible" God seems to be quite concerned for the welfare of widows, orphans and foreigners...promotes mercy, honesty, fairness and justice... so how does that make YHWH worse than, say, Odin... any other Canannite or Phoenician diety?

It's weird how Dinesh doesn't reciprocate eye contact with Alex.

@KrelianLoke

11 күн бұрын

That old man is too arrogant and condescending to maintain eye contact with his opponent. He just wants to belittle Alex and buy over the audience by replying directly to them. It is very similar to how Amber Heard kept looking at the jury when answering the attorneys' questions.

@tiarabite

11 күн бұрын

I think that's because of being raised by indian customs where it's considered rude to have eye contact with someone else for prolonged periods of time.

@petretepner8027

11 күн бұрын

In the full debate, he goes further, and delivers his opening statement (after Alex's) standing, facing the audience. The curious explanation he offers for this is that Alex's British accent somehow gives him an inbuilt advantage in the discussion, which he appears to think can be overcome or mitigated by wandering around the stage and gesticulating. This is "preacher mode" presentation, not one suited to a one-on-one discussion. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4F_zbpxobWuo9o.html 23:08

@SamyasaSwi

11 күн бұрын

Yes I noticed that too. Does seem to indicate simmering

@petretepner8027

11 күн бұрын

@@tiarabite He manifests no such reticence in his debate with Matt Dillahunty: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3mBk6OhnKuflaw.html What *might* in an odd way be related to his Indian upbringing is that he feels intimidated by Alex's British accent, something he says more or less straight out at the start of his opening speech in the full debate: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4F_zbpxobWuo9o.html 23:08

You can always tell when someone's argument is on shaky ground when they barely make eye contact through the whole debate. Dines knew he was put on his heels by a masterclass of debate by Alex.

The Bible never says god loves us equally.

Dinesh can't explain or understand what you're saying because he is willingly enslaved by the Bible.

@IbnRushd-mv3fp

11 күн бұрын

I think deconstructing the flaws inherent in theology is great, but actually disregarding the merits of monotheistic ethnics as a whole is quite braindead since many of these values still influenced the overall zeitgeist.

@borninvincible

11 күн бұрын

@@IbnRushd-mv3fpI don't need a deity to behave 🤡

@MarcDonis

11 күн бұрын

Jesus slaves!

@t2nexx561

11 күн бұрын

We're all slaves to something Id rather it be to a God then whatever the world has to offer

@12q8

11 күн бұрын

@@t2nexx561 nah, that’s just your slave mentality being projected on everyone else because you can’t imagine otherwise

Alex O’Connor is a true philosopher.

@MinosML

11 күн бұрын

Socrates would be proud with his way of debating.

@smackyay

11 күн бұрын

@@MinosML You mean he is good at interrupting

@spiralsausage

11 күн бұрын

​@@smackyay they had 5 mins, when someone isn't engaging with what you're saying and not responding to your point I think interruption is a nice touch 👍

@mikev4621

11 күн бұрын

@@spiralsausage In that case let the guy waffle on, and the viewers will work out who's right.

@smackyay

11 күн бұрын

@@spiralsausage Sure in a conversation you use interruption all the time. But Alex is not only interrupting throughout the clip whenever Dinesh is talking, he is also overloading the conversations with Dinesh with questions - and then he is interrupting him. You should watch the video again. It is very obvious. That is a particular nasty debate tactic very similar to a "gish gallop" and seems like Alex is trying to just "win the debate" rather than have a fruitful conversation. I know Alex is capable of having a normal debate with people he disagrees with strongly, e.g. Ben Shapiro, so I am going to accuse him of purposefully doing dumb shit for the views here. Also.. I don't support Dinesh in any way.

I’d love to hear a post-mortem on this, Alex.

@genegauvin6180

11 күн бұрын

'Post-mortem' is the accurate phrase. This was a murder.

"Thou shall not kill", Alex. You just murdered Dinesh.

“Debates about the existence of God are interminable, and I cannot hope to settle them here. In my view, though, the persistence of this debate is not surprising for one reason only: the depth of the widespread human need to cope with the harsh realities of the human predicament, including but not limited to the fact that our lives are meaningless in important ways. Upton Sinclair famously remarked that it “is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”⁹ It is similarly difficult to get somebody to understand something when the meaning of his life depends on his not understanding it.” - David Benatar, _The Human Predicament_

@MinosML

11 күн бұрын

Wow, what a good quote. I really ought to read that book, now I'm interested.

@mymyscellany

11 күн бұрын

Didn't expect to see Benatar

So his argument is that even though the Bible is very pro-slavery, you can do some theological mental gymnastics to make it say something else. He morphs the Bible into saying what he believes is good, based on modern morality, and then claim that is what god _really_ intended.

@krishvids608

11 күн бұрын

The crazy thing is that after THOUSANDS of years of Christians thinking slavery is great, when they finally do have dissenters- in a time “completely coincidentally conciding with the enlightenment”- they go “THAT WAS THE PLAN THE WHOLE TIME THE TRUTH WAS IN THE BIBLE”… like I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that clear for the past thousand years lmao

@justchilling704

11 күн бұрын

Can you show from the Hebrew language that the Bible definitively supports slavery? Bc every atheist that says this sh1t reads the Bible like a fundamentalists, and thinks that idk Dr. Josh Bowen or other clearly hostile scholars are infallible.

@VulcanLogic

11 күн бұрын

You can add "communicating clearly and unambiguously" to the long list of the things their omnigod can't do.

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

The Good Book is not pro-slavery dude. It never has been. Besides, why do you think slavery is wrong anyway?

@jackweaver1846

11 күн бұрын

@@signposts6189 it absolutely is pro slavery in various scriptures. No amount of denial will ever make that untrue. Slavery is wrong because it’s a cruel and harmful thing to do to another person. If you need the creator of the universe to spell that out for you, then maybe you’re just not a good person.

Alex, I tried using the "Contact me" on your website, but got this memo: "Couldn’t submit form due to a temporary issue. Try again later." Is there an email that we can use? I wanted to provide some feedback on the "Is the Bible True?" debate. Thanks, Christopher

When you tell the truth, you can't lose. Well done Alex. 🇦🇺 😁

Perhaps Dinesh is how God smited us all

This was one of the best debates i’ve seen

@chagglenough2892

11 күн бұрын

Homie what speed u watch it at it literally just got posted

@daousdava

11 күн бұрын

i​@@chagglenough2892it's one week old already

@Jidom_101

11 күн бұрын

@@chagglenough2892 There’s a full debate that was posted yesterday alex linked it to

@dodumichalcevski

11 күн бұрын

There was no debate 😂

@pawebudziak3517

11 күн бұрын

@Jidom_101 on what level was this even a good debate though? This was an awfully painful one to watch personally and one side clearly annihilated the other

Gotta love it. You're like Tyson at his prime in the ring, the poise & eloquence of your delivery angers them before you made your point, turning Theistic Scholars into word salad warriors. Knowing more about the subject than those who actually worship it, i think is a smidgen threatening. Much respect.

Alex O Connor nailed it. So glad he puts these things to light.

Alex My man, You are doing such a great favor to the world. The way You handle this topics, the way You approach this conversations and debates, it's so different and refreshing... I love You man 😂😂😂 I've been watching You for years, and your growth is something to be in awe by...😁

May you live a long and productive life, Alex. Someone needed to fill the void left by Hitchens.

Dinesh is even wrong about the anti slavery thing, the persian empire banned almost all forms of slavery hundreds of years before jesus was even born.

@nanban1896

5 күн бұрын

I thought it was in 1929. What year was this ban articulated and where?

The most logic-holdy logic-hold I have ever seen Dinesh tied up in. Bravo Alex. Succinct, clear, to the point.

You think Dinesh would have learned his lesson after debating the Hitch 😂

@QuintarFarenor

11 күн бұрын

Oh as long as he can portrait himself as a winner after, and get paid to debate and the flock throws money at him, he can make himself a clown, he doesn't nor need to care.

@magepunk2376

11 күн бұрын

Dogmatists never learn. That’s what makes them dogmatists.

@utubepunk

11 күн бұрын

He's an ex-con desperate for relevancy.

@FactStorm

11 күн бұрын

He gets paid to further his right wing religious theocracy, go figure

This was the craziest debate ever! Alex was AMAZING.

He created all men in his image, all men equal, but he takes sides. How does that makes sense?

Gosh, this is painful, watching D'Souza flounder like a fish on the deck of a boat. Someone, please, return him to the sea from whence he came. He is no match for Alex O'Conner.

@Alexander_45

7 күн бұрын

He’s no match for a 10 year old let alone Alex.

Jesus said Moses allowed divorce "because of the hardness of your hearts, yet it was not so from the beginning." If he could slam divorce, why couldn't he slam slavery in the same way?

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

He did. "Let my people go..." (Exodus 5:1).😉

@RustyWalker

11 күн бұрын

@@signposts6189 Err .. not Jesus, and God wasn't bothered about slavery, only the maltreatment of "His people," except it's not historical. It never happened.

@signposts6189

11 күн бұрын

@@RustyWalker And where does He tell His people to enslave the Egyptians like they enslaved them for four hundred years if what He cared about was only the maltreatment of His people?‭ Never mind the fact that the almighty told His people in Deuteronomy 23:7 (NLT‬) the following about how to treat those brutal enslaving Egyptians;👇👇👇 “DO NOT DETEST the Edomites or THE EGYPTIANS, because the Edomites are your relatives and YOU LIVED AS FOREIGNERS AMONG THE EGYPTIANS."

@Doctor_Fate5

10 күн бұрын

​@@RustyWalker because he formed a covenant with them.

@RustyWalker

10 күн бұрын

@@Doctor_Fate5 File under "Fiction"

If any Christian wants to do what Dinesh wouldn’t and cite the verse that condemns slavery, that’d be great 👍

@pmaitrasm

11 күн бұрын

*"Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you-although if you can gain your freedom, do so."* - Saint Paul in his letter to the Corinthians. It is not an outright condemnation, I agree, but it wishes for slaves to be free.

@hathead300

11 күн бұрын

Exodus 21:16 "Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death."

@coast2coast00

11 күн бұрын

@@hathead300 "Stealing" would be the unlawful taking of someone, not saying anything about the lawful taking of someone.

@bokoura

11 күн бұрын

@@pmaitrasm Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

@joshuapena6757

11 күн бұрын

​@@pmaitrasmBy that logic, the below sentence from the same passage means Paul wished marriage were abolished: "Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife."

People who wear ties are saying "I am obedient to the status quo, I never think critically and unmindfully mimick what everybody else does!" At least they let us know. ✌🏻🧡

Alex just beats him down every time .