Xal'atath's Connection to Elune
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In World of Warcraft The War Within we will soon be dealing with Xal'atath again, the Harbinger of the Void but there is more to this story
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I predict Midnight will have a heavy Elune focus. The moon shines bright at Midnight...
@Redhitcz
28 күн бұрын
More like in full moon...
Makes you wonder what kind of conversations Illidain and Sargeras are having rn
@seanbrown4706
23 күн бұрын
"How long we got to wait till we are forced to carry the franchise once again?" 😂
The xalatath dagger has to be a rune weapon... forged by the The Primus.... it collects souls... it has a powerful soul inside of it that talks... just like frostmourne... and it literally has runes engraved on it!!
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
Same color as domination magic too.
The irony behind affirming a turnaround of what's good is bad (Titans) and uplifting what is seemingly obviously evil that constantly does evil acts is now the true Good...? Bleh. Xal's weapon form and its appearance is a helluva lot closer to Frostmourne and Primus/Jailer, specifically. We don't know if part of their deal were weapons for his brethren (perhaps to dominate), but I wouldn't swear its Titan construction at all if the above is taken into consideration. Sorry, I have to wholly disagree that Amunthul wouldn't know Elune if she were part of the SL - he obviously knew of the Shadowlands and interacted with its most powerful member(s). That aspect (no pun intended) just comes across as a wholly bad take on the surface. Finally, while a crescent moon COULD be a rune per se, it doesn't make it that way by default. Sometimes icon symbol choices are merely that of individuals without being part of some runemagic automatically. No, Titan souls do NOT natively go to the Shadowlands. Argus was filled intentionally with anchors TOWARDS that end and with his death, it is what happened as a result. Just from his appearance there (and he wasn't the FIRST or ONLY Titan to ever die supposedly) that it disabled the existing Arbiter, which further strengthens its uniqueness. It was artificial, direct manipulation. I mean, c'mon... Titans go to arcane/order seemingly unless 'fuckery' occurs, which only on record happened once and the evidence strengthens that with NOTHING hinting at any other occurrence of it.
It’s Monday I was just thinking man a good wow vid would slap 🎉
That would make sylvannas a fractal of elune, which does fit pretty well
The chatter convincing himself that this is all somehow sun imagery made me real activated lol
" It's not the 1500's, I can just show you! " Accolonn, you are an absolute treaure. Thank you for all that you do!
they already told you the rules in shadows lands. Argus went and destryed the arbitor only because the dread lord pump him full of Deathmagic.
It could also be a lunar eclipse of the BLUE moon, which would still be blue.
Titan souls don’t generally go to the Shadowlands. Argus did because he was pumped full of Death magic before he died. That’s why the Arbiter shut down, it wasn’t designed to handle the soul of a Titan.
There are two moons, don't forget about that, so a luner eclipse could happen also when the smaller blue moon (the blue child) moving Infront of the bigger white moon (mother moon)
It makes a kind of half-assed sense that every dead being goes through the Arbiter, as it's heavily hinted that the four realms of afterlife are not the ONLY four that exist. Things that don't stay dead like Titans just get sent to the appropriate penalty box to wait out their time before respawning in-game.
Xal'atath is the soul of the titan that Sargeras killed (by cutting it (the planet) in two). Do you remember the story of how Sargeras first met the void that settled on titan, and he killed the titan, cutting the planet. And after - hello Nerzul version 0.00 How about this theory. And now Xal'atath will try to “regain what should rightfully be hers” - life in the guise of a titan (somehow).
Elune is, obviously, based on Selune. Metzen barely changed the name at all. Selune is the goddess of the moon. She has a dark half named Shar that she is eternally at war with. There are a LOT of parallels between Xalatath and Shar.
Blade of the black empire has the shape of two crescents moons combined into one. Also domination runes? I wouldn't be surprised if she's a fragment of Elune/blue child's soul that was torn out by titans or primus
Looks like the Blue Child doing the eclipse of Elune in her eye
I wanna believe the theory but Xal'atath's Whispers in the Tomb of Sargeras (Temple of Elune) when you fight the Sisters of the Moon tells us quite the opposite: Xal'atath whispers: I do so enjoy seeing the shrine of a great enemy profaned by the spirits of its own worshippers. Xal'atath whispers: A remnant of power lingers in this broken temple. It must be ours! Come, enter the circle and take it. (this event has a chance to trigger after defeating Sisters of the Moon). Xal'atath whispers: My mistake. It seems the upstart "goddess" still holds sway here. Oh well... (after attempting to absorb Elune's power). Source WoW Head. She seems more like being a rival of Elune.
There is an episode of classic Star Trek where captain Kirk due to an transporter accident get split into a good and an evil side. Thing is the good side is weak and without confidence. Once they get reunited Kirk gets restored. He need his dark side to funtion. This could have happened to Elune. Upon reuniting with her dark side she gets massivly empowered.
@Gatto751
11 күн бұрын
Sylvanas was split as well
XalaTath is a ArcaneTroll ShadowPriest that worships di loa Elune.. unless the Flat leveled Realm Azeroth has a Shadowmoon(or Shadowsun) like our Earth in real life..
Elune is there, behind the barrier in the Emerald Dream) And, I have a strong feeling, that she will come to ask Xal’atath some questions.
The interesting bit is that the runes on her face does not resemble any previous "void writing" in the game ;)
maybe cutting her in half wasnt a transgression against the titans, thus not a crime they'd accuse
I just clicked. Considering old gods are part of void lords and the void lords are coming, then their invading force is an army of old gods and we struggled to deal with only afew of them 😅
@accolon question and your thoughts...you have mentioned how the light isnt what people think it is...what if the arathian empire is the one that we are going to end up fighting with in the end. Im using something i know as a spring board for this thought and i wont give spoilers in case people consider this one but im curious to your thoughts
you're 100% on to something the rising crescent moon symbol is used in sects of modern Celtic-based (lol like i am, side note) paganism. the first time i came across this symbol i was reading The Mists of Avalon. In the book, the priestesses of Avalon (the female sect of an ancient coven of druids) wore that exact symbol between their eyes/on the fore head. much of night elf lore is Celtic based. that was the reason i chose night else all those decades ago, and have always been night elf and will always be night elf xD hahaha... so it makes sense to me what you're saying even moreso, knowing these things connect deeply. so cool!
maybe she loves almond crescent cookies
It's like magic systems. Sending us to the realms of death means you have to explain how it works. Magic systems are often vague in how they work for the same reason. Who wants to get into all of that? Plus you start seeing inconsistencies and that leads to confusion, etc.
The blade kind of reminds me of the symbol of Lordaeron.
@9:15 a good question for the artist: Why is 1/3 of Xal'atath's iris obstructed by her eyelid? I don't see the crescent moon. I see improper proportions. Her iris is literally larger than her eyes naturally open, which is really... weird, and not in a lore-related sort of way.
Could Xal'atath be like the Elunes first child that went rebellious for some reason, managed to harness power of a Night warrior without repercussions and then later got imprisoned in dagger?
Sisters of the Moon battle, the floor in the temple looks like her eyes.
i mean the Dark Side of the Moon = Xal'atath
When he pulled up the cinematic and showed Xala'tath...those markings looked like they were seared into her flesh and the placement reminds me of a face guard on a helm. Probably tricked into putting it on and getting this stuff burned into her flesh. the other runes also look like Black Empire too.
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
That's not really Xals body though. It's a random dead elf's body that she took. I don't think those runes are from Xal being tricked. I think it's part of the ritual to possess the elf body.
@selasiovec8581
28 күн бұрын
@@soulessENERGY good point. i'm not really up to date on my Xal lore.
I hope Elune saves us from the Titans
So if Titans go to oribos, what was the point of loading Argus with death magic?
At 13:00 you said all Titans go to the shadow lands and I don't think that is true. Argus went because he was infused with death magic. The normal titans are infused with order magic. So likely, there is a realm like the shadow lands that is like the 'order lands'
Blade of the black empire looks like a Mourne Blade - LITERALLY for trapping/transfering souls. 100% Primus or his teacher made it.
Xalatath refers to elune as an upstart goddess.
I don't see it personally, I'm willing to be wrong but right now the connections are a little thin for my liking.
This goes into stretch territory for me. Not because it's a bad theory, but because they literally just did the split soul thing with Sylv. I don't think they would want to do the same thing with Xal no matter who she is or is involved with.
ONE problem: The Winter Queen is Elune's sister, but we know that the leaders of Shadowlands covenants are just robots ... WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!?! Also, the "soul split" only works if Sargeras had the same power as the Lich King when he split Uther's and Sylvannas' soul.
Elune the moon has 2 sides like the Naru light always chasing the dark (phases of the Moon) look into the legion encounter Sisters of the Moon text might have hints.
Hi long time lurker i had on thought. what if Xal'atath is the blue child looking at the dagger picture you showed was a BLUE EYE and i believe the moons where called azeroths' eyes and she purple cause shes in a dead night elf body and the orbs around her are navy blue with purple high lights
How dare you trigger my PTSD with the mention of Titanforging!! have a like for this atrocity!!
Okay I'm totally confused now. I quit wow before the first patch in shadowlands. But came back in the last patch of DF. I thought the whole story of SL was that the Nathrezim were corrupting Argus with death magic so when he died he DID go to shadowlands and a titan spirit going there broke the arbiter or whatever it was called. But now blizzard confirms all dead titans go there? Then how tf did the sorter thing even break?
Theory came to me, and I know is off the wall. I need it picked apart, or more thoughts into it. What if Elune IS Azeroth? We have seen representatives of all Cosmic Forces, Naaru, Titans, Demons, Old Gods, Death Pantheon, and so on. We know that Elune use to be in the Shadowlands. The only representation we've seen of Elune is stories Anshe, and Muusha, Temples, Ysera taken to Ardenweald. The Night Warrior. But we've never seen an actual Representative that I can remember of Elune. What if she is Azeroth, but a part of her can exist outside of the planet. Hence Elune the goddess. Elune learned from the shadowlands, has observed all the Cosmic Forces, and knew that greatest deception to throw all of them off was to become corporeal? What if Azeroth was on the verge of Dying/being corrupted by the Old Gods, so a hint was laid down to get Amanthrul to find Azeroth. Elune knew Order could not abide by this, and what happened there happened. When Zovaal did what he did, Azeroth/Elune left the shadowlands to return to Azeroth. To help protect herself. Knowing that the Mortal Races had the potential to become stronger than the cosmic Forces. However, they needed time to grow and evolve. We know that she allowed Teldrassil to happen to send Ardenweald souls, but did not know about Orobos being broken. Her being back "on" Azeroth would explain why she was ignorant of that. What if the Night Warrior ritual is a misinterpretation of an whole Ritual. Just as Magni misinterpreted the Ritual that turned him into Diamond. The Void again encroaches to her Soul yet again, but the Titans are ofcourse busy keeping Sargeras imprisoned. The Light is to fanatical to send help until its almost too late, Fel isn't an option, and we know that Life can't control itself. So Azeroth/Elune is calling out to us now. "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi you are our only hope." kind of thing. Thoughts? Am I based, or baked? I'd love examples disproving, or ideas that support it. just be respectful.
I may be mistaken, but doesn't Elune turn red or orange when she becomes angry. Could that be in essence the rage that Xal'atath is trying to make here own from the mortals of Azeroth?
I always thought xall is to elune what Shar is to Selune
I feel like they are going to do another Sylvanas redemption thing, but with Xalatath.
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
I don't think so, they might both look like elves but have vastly different characteristics and motivations
its only the Tauren, because they were one of the first races if not the firsts, on Azeroth.
And xalatath is literally an elf! Elune's people are the night elves!
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
Anyone else notice that void elves skin tone almost looks like they're just reverting back to the night elf skin tone? The pale elf skin was the initial mutation and they are naturally inclined to be creatures of the darkness.
As soon as I saw the title I thought pooh yes this will be so fcked up, I need to click it
Yeah but then there was this: After slaying the Sisters of the Moon in ToS, Xal'atath speaks to you, saying: "A remnant of power lingers in this broken temple. We must claim it!" But when you try, you're struck by a massive Moonfire beam which kills you in two ticks. Xal'atath says this in response: "My mistake. It seems this upstart 'goddess' still holds some sway here. Oh well."
@Kryptic712
28 күн бұрын
Yep
@kimskowen7194
27 күн бұрын
Okay and? She might have struck you herself with that power, the joke being that the remnant of power was in her control all along.
@raydafuq3570
17 күн бұрын
@@kimskowen7194 Xal'atath whispers: I do so enjoy seeing the shrine of a great enemy profaned by the spirits of its own worshippers.
the titans like to erase memories and were quick to try destroying everything the minute their plans didnt go right, so I don't trust anything they say at all
hmmmmm elune might be dominating Xalatah hear me out: Zovaal had runes literally cared into his flesh by the primus. look at xals face in the closeup @09:02. thats not a tatoo. thats carved into her. Runes of? Elune..... (some other runes look like nialotha runes....) maybe Elune and oldgods are not so unsimilar?
The planet that was cleaved in half by Sargaras could that have been Elune? So it may have cause an Elune soul split. Do you think they may bring back Zoval and try to fix his story by him maybe working with Elune?
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
My only thought against this is if part of Elunes soul split, it went into the black blade of the empire. Not Sargeras' sword.
I do think you are on to something here. I think you are like 60% there. Keep digging down this path.
Nice
Gotta' stop touching so much grass, bro.
I still think shes Elunes first Avatar
Xal'atath has the most amazing eyes that if they don't allow voids elves to have them I'm going to lose my mind!
@KatieWiecks
28 күн бұрын
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I actually commented this in a Pyro's video two weeks ago and his fanatic fanbase rampaged me 😂 The simple idea that she has SHINING CRESCENT MOON in her eyes is too strong not to consider she has a strong connection to Elune, as her half-soul, avatar, servant, whatever you choose. And when Tyrande summoned the Night Warrior's power in the cutscene she demands "to wear her darkest face", then she literally has void-like face and becomes an instrument of vengeance. And guess what?! She also has a HUGE SHINING CRESCENT MOON all over her forehead... C'mon!
@margineanbogdan6105
28 күн бұрын
Also the 2 orbs around her could symbolize her soul duality if she was indeed split in the past or her connection to 2 realms like shadowlands and the emerald dream maybe.
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
The two orbs that look exactly like Elune during an eclipse? Also why are we bad talking Pyros fan base? We all like the same stuff
@howardhavardramberg7160
28 күн бұрын
Both Pyro and his fanbase can get a little much sometimes 😂😅 I can see it clear as day too, so many Elune symbols with Xal
@howardhavardramberg7160
28 күн бұрын
@@soulessENERGY There is a difference between bad talking and pointing out certain behaviours tho. I tend to agree
@kimskowen7194
27 күн бұрын
I posted the same stuff on Reddit and was hated and flamed there. People REALLY want to close their eyes to these pretty obvious references to Elune.
I've had an assumption that Xal'atath may not be with them. There always seems to be a Judas somewhere and I can see her being that. Whether her goals are beneficial to us is questionable, but we'll have to see.
Wouldn’t elune come from the life lands? Am i the only one who still thinks there is a “lands” for each of the 6 primary forces? So like an order-land, disorderlabds, void lands. Now they don’t all need land in the name of to just put the force in front of lands - like shadowlands was death land. I thought elune was life
What Bout the old ones? Who are supposed to be like the most powerful pantheon
I think the orbs around her are world souls
@soulessENERGY
28 күн бұрын
If that was true then maybe world souls that have been eclipsed by darkness
@MikeTall88
27 күн бұрын
They are most probably just magical orbs. Just like Kael'thas had
Too complicated. If Blizzard are going in this cosmic direction nobody will have a clue what's going on. My brother had never heard of Xal'atath and he plays wow. Elune could just be our real god. The Titans are demi gods who have overstepped.
Soo.. What you are saying because the night elves dont worship the sun, it means An'she is not relevant? Real, we might not see him ?
Every time I see her, all I can see is the crescent moon highlighted in her eyes. I very much get 'tied to elune' vibes from her. For every full moon, there's a dark one. Super fun to speculate about it all
Taking into consideration what happened to Sylvanas when stabbed by Arthus, the dark side of Elune could have been put into a morneblade. In this case, since it was a stronger being, it couldn't be kept completely contained.
Saw a theory that Xalath might actually be Alleria Windrunner after she was completely taken over by the void who got stuck in past after she was betrayed by the oldgods
@danielfahimislam3166
28 күн бұрын
Lol
I like the ideas, but I keep thinking back to xal'atath's whispers. I really hope we eventually find out what Xal'atath is/was and how exactly she ended up in the knife. - She directly implies she is one of the beings we call the old golds. - She also implies that she is one of the "first" and that they have masters (whom reside in a different realm). First what? Dunno. First warriors from the void realm to be sent to Azeroth I presume. - Their masters are the void lords or whatever it is that we recently found out is likely coming to devour Azeroth. - She implies that the naaru are equals/brothers that took or chose a different path. - She considers Elune a great enemy - She mentions having an opinion on "this world's new owners". The Titan's own Azeroth? Or Who? Who owned it before? - She's made it clear that we haven't seen the true powers of the shadow and the light.
I wonder if Xala's plot was originally Silvanas's plot to go against the great cosmic design, but the devs felt like they had to get rid of her after so many people started crying about seeing her so much. We need more Sylvanas. Now that's a real conspiracy theory
@willythemailboy2
26 күн бұрын
Substitute one hot undead elf with another, continue story.
N’zoth is not dead fyi
first! :D
Xal'atath wants to *MAKE. AMERICA. GREAT. AGAIN!*
@JynxedKoma
28 күн бұрын
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