Best video on KZread showing clearly how to assign a channel to a sub-group.

Excellent work, Daniel. I'm a 40 year veteran engineer.. with many digital consoles.. But I recently got a job where needed to use the M32. And I needed a quick talk through about it - especially for TAP points.. and general bus structure of the M32. You did a great job! Thanks for a thorough yet quite clear explanation!!

Thank you for taking the time to go back and forth between the chain and all the IN/LC, Post EQ etc to show how it changes things

first guy who explaines everything. Thanks a lot for this video! Finally I get it all. Just for this, subcribed.

Very good and direct explanations! 👍🏼👍🏼

Extremely helpful and clear! Thank you!

Brilliantly explain, thanks

Man I hate digital desks. The whole routing thing is so confusing my brain shuts down. I guess I’ll watch a couple more times 👍

Great work Bro. 🤝

Great work!!

Thank you bro!

Exactness is Greatness!

Thank you so much

Thank you sir

Started watching your videos recently. You are doing great work and helping out a lot of people. Your dedication to helping people in the comments is awesome. Keep up the good work! I wish you were around when I was getting started. Was wondering if you have any videos covering ducking the bass with the kick drum via compressor side chaining? I get the gist of it, but wouldn’t mind going over a tutorial to make sure I’m doing it all right.

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

I have a video on reverb ducking. It's the same process for ducking the bass with the kick. But i may as well do a tutorial specifically for the bass and kick if that's necessary. Here's the video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIJpj5emmpbUY8Y.html

@Bobby_Uterus

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat wow! I’ve never tried the verb ducking! This is great, can’t wait to try this. Verb can get overwhelming quick, this seems like it could tame it nicely. Thanks for linking me to this. Also helps with the bass ducking from kick concept. Thanks again!

This is great

Nice explanation ❤😂😢

Maybe I missed it but why would you want to bus things to different outputs and/or with dry signals?

Thanks for explaining the different tap points for the Buses. I like how configurable the X/M 32 consoles are, but the output routing and configuration possibilities are confusing. My take away from your video is that I should use an Input tap point of Post Eq on the Bus for mixes that are being used for monitors (stage or IEM) because, in my experience, singers generally don't like to have compression on their vocals in the monitors. I would use a Post Fdr setting in the Output Routing section in order to have the bus eq, bus master fader and mute be active for a given monitor mix. This is for a system where FOH and monitors are being mixed from the same console.

@rasanowhere

6 ай бұрын

also nice for mons from foh is that pre-eq will still include lo-cut, if you can't listen and make sure the eq's feel right on wedges too.

Great video Sir. How can I remove channel signals from a bus? Thanks

@danielkharrat

Ай бұрын

Just turn down the sends

A lot of other sub group videos are using the sub groups as a linked stereo pair. I understand it selects subs in pairs. Is it ok to use a mono sub group? Pros cons?

@danielkharrat

2 ай бұрын

Yes if you don't have anything stereo you can use one single bus as a group

Really nice tutorials! However, I would like to point out that patching signals on the ROUTING/PATCH/OUT tab doesn't necessarily mean the signal will go out on the back XLR physical outputs...Since the OUTPUTS showed at the very left of that tab indicates only virtual signal holding places, not physical outputting connecters. Still need to check on the BLOCK/XLR tab and select OUTPUT1-4, OUTPUT5-8 to make sure the signals go out of the physical XLRs on the back of the console.

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right, but by default, the local XLRs and the AES50 outputs are assigned to outputs 1-16 of the out page unless someone intentionally changed them

Thnak you Mr Daniel, so I have a question.. How I can use all the 25 Buses?

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna make a video about that in the next couple of days

Beautifully described... Congrats bro... I get phasing issues when using stereo delay in M32 even though the insert fx is 100% wet. Could you please help to get rid of it?? Thanks in advance

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

What are you sending to that delay?

@basilmathai4006

Жыл бұрын

I'm sending the vocal mics from local inputs. Sending my choir mics through Bus 15 having stereo delay. As I'm unable to turn down the dry vox, latency come into play in my delay FX return channels, I think...

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

@@basilmathai4006 there shouldn't be a problem if you're sending channels normally to bus 15 that has the delay. Why are you unable to turn down the dry vocals?

@basilmathai4006

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat I'm keeping 'mix' in fx settings at 100% to get full wet effect removing the dry signal. But unfortunately the dry vocal is also returning along with the effects with a bit of latency. Pls correct me if it's a wrong way of doing it...

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

If the mix knob on the effect is 100% wet it means that the dry signal is coming from the channel itself, if you want to only have the wet signal you can turn down the fader of the vocal channel. But even if the channel signal and the effect signal are both up, there's no reason why it would phase unless you're using an effect that has a "phaser knob" on it then you can turn that know down if you don't like the phasing sound but otherwise the fx bus itself doesn't create any phase problems because the latency is accounted for inside the console, it's not something for you to worry about

You need to adjust that gate a bit. The attack is a little too quick, but great video!

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

There's no gate, i cut the audio manually but it seems that i have overdone it

I dont really quite grasp the use for subgroup... I mean does default busses(pre eq, post eq, pre fader, post fader) also could be send to main LR?... why bother using subgroup tho... correct me if i am wrong... or did i miss something?

@danielkharrat

10 ай бұрын

Yes but all other tap points require you to separately raise the sends level for that channel to get into the bus A subgroup doesn't have a separate sends level The fader of the channel itself dictates the level that is going into the subgroup Technically you can use a post fader bus as a subgroup for the purpose of mixing but you'll have to do the extra step of sending all the channels at 0db to that bus

@handihasan8823

10 ай бұрын

ahhh I see... I got your point... haha now I understand... thanks.. awesome video anw... been binge watching your channel for all the knowledge of this console... keep up the good work..@@danielkharrat

It is possible to use stereo mix bus, for carry panning for input?

@danielkharrat

7 ай бұрын

Yes you can pan it in the sends page of that channel or you can hit the LR PAN button to make it follow the panning of the main mix

@HiluluxSon

7 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat Thx Man, God Bless

I have a question bro. I have a bus that use post fader, how I control the input for other speakers that not use post fader, without influence the bus that use post fader? Thank you

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure i understand your question. What exactly are you trying to do?

@skylineid7843

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat I have a bus that use post fader, if I up the fader so that bus will up too right? So how I control (up or down) that input for other bus(not use post fader), but the bus (with post fader) not up or down too?

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

@@skylineid7843 if you're sending the channel to another bus the level of that channel will be independent from the other bus anyway. The only thing that will change the level of the send is the actual fader of the channel if the bus is post fader. But different busses don't affect each other. If you send channel 1 to bus 1 and also to bus 2, the level of the send on one bus is independent from the other regardless if it's pre or post fader

Hola daniel! Como puedo setear los compresores de buses estereo para q se comporten como dual mono y no en estereo?

@danielkharrat

7 ай бұрын

if you are using an insert effect, there is a dual version of it. but if you are talking about the stock compressor on the main LR you can't do dual mono. it's only stereo

@lucianogm

7 ай бұрын

Oook. Q decepcion! Me imagino q eso tambien aplica a los compresores de los buses linkeados en estereo?

you funny

How can I pan my drums on subgroup

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

Just use the normal pan knob of the channel

you not explain about the costum send

If I ever need to show someone how to get going with the m/x32 I’m sending them here

Is there a way to send a livestream mix to Aux 5 & 6

@danielkharrat

8 ай бұрын

Yes you go to the routing menu -> aux out page and assign aux out 5 and 6 to the livestream bus

@RockOfZionChurchCamarillo

8 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat Thank you, how can I control the mix separate from the house speakers?

@danielkharrat

8 ай бұрын

@@RockOfZionChurchCamarillo you send the channel to a mix bus the same way you do for monitors

@RockOfZionChurchCamarillo

8 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat realistically we would like to send it all through the USB output on the back of the M32 console and be able to control the mix. I’m a beginner when it comes to this new tech. Currently I’m getting a digital sound or interference. Any help or tips you can provide will be very helpful and much appreciated.

@RockOfZionChurchCamarillo

8 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat Thank you so much! I believe I figured out the Sends to AUX 5 & 6 out

Good I love this. How can I contact you

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

You can send me an email or a message on Instagram, it's in the "About" tab on my channel

You talk about mix buses post fade etc. you skip subgroups. What happened with subgroups? They don’t give you any options. I have a bunch of subgroups. On my scene I have vocal, keyboards. Drums, toms subgroups. Can you give some examples of subgroups uses. I use the m the traditional way. How would you use them?

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

A subgroup is a post fader bus but you don't "send" channels to it you just use the actual faders to mix into it. I would use a subgroup for all the drums to do some general eq and compression on all the drum mics together. If you have a lot of vocals you can put them on a subgroup and do the same thing. Think of subgroups as aux tracks in your daw. You mix channels into a group, you do processing on that group and you put that group on the main LR

@noelbulls8628

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat Yes! I notice that. But since I have lots of vocals and we use p16 monitors. I had to create subgroups to send to the musicians. The problem is that like you said the fader follows and they can hear that on the p16 monitors . For example I had a really good mix the other night and the speaking person was talking And the musicians were playing and the singers Too. I lower them to let the main min come thru. I got a complaint that they couldn’t hear themselves. So I’m considering turning the subgroups back to mix-busses and send them to the p16 . And using the sends on fader to give them the amount of loudness they need on the p16s. I can still compress and eq the mix-bus and send it to the main stereo bus. What you think?

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

@@noelbulls8628 never do post fader monitor mixes, it's very frustrating for the musicians. The level that goes into their ears should be completely independent of your main mix. Since you have p16 you don't even need to use mix busses you can just send each channel directly to the p16 and let each musician make their own mix. However if you have more than 16 channels going to the monitors you can combine the extra channels (vocals in this case) with a pre fader bus so the band will get all the vocals on one slot of the p16. But never use the same bus for monitors and the main mix at the same time because one of them will always suffer and for monitors always always always pre fader

@noelbulls8628

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat Yes I have the vocals on their own stereo slot. They get the direct out from the vocal subgroups. The drums are the same direct out. I don’t separate the drums because is only 16 slots and we have keyboards, tracks, click, vocals etc. so I had to make all that fit in it.

I really do not understand the whole "unmute the channel" step that you do when setting up a sub-group. That does NOT work. Maybe you are using a different firmware revision? I am using the very latest on a Midas M32 console. But the steps that you perform, do not work as described. In fact, the way that you have to do it is select the bus that you want to use (and using any busses between 1 and 4 or 1 to 6 seems odd as well since there are always monitors on those busses), and then press Fader Flip, and then raise the channels up that you want to send to that bus. Then, the rest of the steps are okay.

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

I am running the latest firmware as well. There's no send for a subgroup. The level that goes into it is the same as the channel fader. If you have a subgroup, no channel is assigned to it by default. That's why when you select a subgroup and press flip fader all the channels will be muted, it means they are off/not assigned to that subgroup. By unmuting you are turning on/assigning the channel to the subgroup. Then you turn off flip fader because there are no sends for subgroups. If you want to raise the level of the channel going to the subgroup you simply raise the actual fader of the channel not the send. And the mute button confuses you try doing this on the M32 edit app on your computer. There's a on/off button instead. So select the channel and go to the sends page and turn on the on/off button on the appropriate bus. And regarding busses 1-6 maybe in your case you have monitors on them but that doesn't mean that they are always for monitors. You choose whatever bus you want it's the same process for all of them

@BjorgenEatinger

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat You said "select a subgroup", then press Flip Fader, perhaps assuming that the bus send has already been changed from its default setting to a subgroup. I'll try that. I am not working on an app on a computer, but directly at the console. I am using bus #9, staying away from the monitors. I understand what you are saying with regard to the first 6 buses. I only do live sound with a single console, so that's why I am stuck in that mode, lol. Thank you very much for your help. Always very much appreciated!

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

@@BjorgenEatinger yes of course you need to configure the bus as a subgroup otherwise it would be just a normal send But what do you mean "stuck in that mode" you can change each bus individually on the config page of the bus

@BjorgenEatinger

Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat I meant that "I" am stuck in live sound engineering mode, lol. But with regards to the video, your steps might be out of order then, as I never saw you configure the bus as a subgroup prior to doing the Fader Flip. And other videos on the same subject simply raise the faders, but I agree that seems odd.

@danielkharrat

Жыл бұрын

@@BjorgenEatinger at 1:26 i configured the bus to be a subgroup