Our European audience, definitely share some of your thoughts along-we're dying to hear!

@JohnJohn-nh2rl

4 ай бұрын

can you share what type of headphones the black ones

@techlore

4 ай бұрын

Sennheiser Momentum 4

@tramsgar

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the balanced report on "hit and miss" with EU. Just as in the US, there are several players on a national scale that infuse their side motifs through EU politicians willing to sell themselves cheap when it suits their ideology. Oftentimes, it's possible to trace the money through public sources and leaks. But of course not always, so that's probably why there's such a mixed message.

@ondrejsoukup8376

4 ай бұрын

I am not happy about EU law as EU citizen. I prefered walled garden approach. And do not see Apple's reaction to this law in such negative way. It is still their API's and so on. Core fee will save me from fadebook outside of app store and violating privacy even more Apps that will use their own payment systems is bad for privacy usually,… Apple pay helped with that.

@Giovayt2

4 ай бұрын

​@@ondrejsoukup8376It has never been about the consumer but instead about their influence apple has on developers/companies with the AppStore itself. That's why the company is considered a Gatekeeper in the first place

Just smh. If Apple made a car the supermarket would have to pay Apple a cut every time you bring home groceries in one of their cars.

@hopelessdecoy

4 ай бұрын

And you better have a subscription license from them to eat their trademarked fruit from said grocery store.

@cesramm1120

4 ай бұрын

You mean the store would your not getting it

Remember the 1990's when even preinstalling a web browser by the OS maker was considered a violation of anti-monopoly law? If I were EU, I would ban OS manufactures from shipping their app store by default. Users must install the kind of app stores they want.

@anonemoose102

3 ай бұрын

such a low priority to society tbh

Its absurd listening to two extremely smart , well articulated individuals talk in detail about corporate greed but fail to label it as such. No things aren't "crazy" . No things aren't "ridiculous" . This is monopoly behaviour. This artificial exploitative rent seeking behay. Use the right labels for goodness sake.

@user-pd1vg7pd6b

4 ай бұрын

That's right! We are afraid nowadays to call each and everything what it SHOULD BE CALLED!

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

I am actually amazed that people on this website, owned by this company, think Apple is MORE of a monopoly and must be reigned in when this company literally controls the whole internet and the EU doesn’t bat and eye

@RagingBad

4 ай бұрын

Use commas for goodness sake’s

@drstalone

4 ай бұрын

@ghost-user.. not exactly true. EU DMA affects Google as well. While Google is also a monopoly they allow way way more access to their ecosystem than Apple. That's why F-droid, GrapheneOS, Newpipe, etc exist.

@drstalone

4 ай бұрын

While Google has turned very corporate-like in recent years, it wasn't built on the idea of locking down everything, while Apple was from inception, and it's coming back to bite them.

Imagine buying a car for which you can only replace the tires from companies approved by the automotive manufacturer.

If the third party app store has to be approved by Apple then what the hell is the point of a third party app store?

Everytime Henry says: artificial. Do something, drink or do 10 pushups. I don’t know.

@techlore

4 ай бұрын

10 pushups!

@j.t.2190

4 ай бұрын

in Finland, we do 10 beers but yeah@@techlore

It's called malicious compliance.

Apple thinks they're above all rules, they think they already own you and I.

@basdfgwe

4 ай бұрын

They do own their users. The users appear to enjoy being owned.

Apple's PR release where they announced all of this reads like it was written by a petulant 13 year old that can't buy all the candy at the grocery store. Absolutely pitiful stuff.

I feel like doing it this way is actually MORE of a security risk than just having a special setting hidden behind 50 warnings and knowledge checks that just lets you install whatever software you want as long as it’s signed in some way. People are going to assume if apple let a marketplace on the app store, then nothing there would be malicious, regardless of what Apple’s warnings say

Many decades ago, I bought the new iPod when it came out, (I had little interest in the digital world, so did not understand what I was getting into). I spent a fortune re-buying all my music and uploading it. I thought it was perfect. Then I tried to step back outside the Appleverse, and of course was hit with the shock of reality... I realise this seems so naive now, but I really wasn't paying attention. In the end, it was a very simple choice for me, I knew that Apple was a company that I would never have anything to do with ever again.

Apple really going for the "fuck around and find out" strategy.

I think the EU should ban Apple products, the way the US bans Chinese products.

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

Why? Are you a totalitarian?

@TheChadXperience909

4 ай бұрын

@@ghost-user559 Are you calling the USA totalitarian?

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

@@TheChadXperience909 I’m asking for your personal opinions on governance, not drawing a conclusion on any particular governance or national policy. I’m asking why you want governments to have power to control their populations even more and remove more freedom and autonomy for literally no reason whatsoever?

@TheChadXperience909

4 ай бұрын

@@ghost-user559 Did I say such a thing?

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

@@TheChadXperience909 No. You think that the government should be arbitrarily allowed to ban any companies or people they don’t like at the cost of the entire continent of Europes population ability to exercise free will. So you you are not brave enough to put it so plainly, that’s true. However totalitarianism is a requirement for your fantasy, and you literally are calling for the removal of the individual liberties of millions of people, so yes that appears to be your perspective.

I don't give two shits (or one for that matter) about Apple, but you know, I love that the company is trying to rub shit against the judges faces like this, because it only reinforces the need to apply maximum punishment against the company in regards to anti-trust laws. I don't care about Apple or Apple products, but it serves to me if it's gonna become an example of what not to do or else you'll get the hammer. There are too many tech giants out there that needs to see action happening when a company behaves like that. Thing is, this bs has gone for too long unanswered, people don't realize how many societal problems we have because anti-trust laws are not being followed, and if judges and justice are not going to do anything about it, I'm all for tech giants and Silicon Valley bros behaving like a spoiled kid throwing a tantrum, because perhaps this will make people realize how far gone the situation already is - particularly judges, politicians, and people in a position to do something about it. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Apple did something like this. It just follows several of the company's previous actions in regards to admitting fault about something. We all know Apple has pretty deep issues about admitting fault at anything they do wrong. Only this time, they are not being anti-consumer, they are going against a court decision. In a sane world, they'd be absolutely destroyed after this. But we don't live in a sane world anymore, so I'm hoping for at least some escalating punishment.

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

Where do you draw the line on Government overreach then? Because accountability goes both ways. Why does the EU say nothing about the largest monopoly in all of human history who owns this site, but goes after apple dismantling their autonomy and market differentiation, while letting this monopoly control the entire world and internet with zero mention of the “Alphabet”. Does that sound fair and balanced or corrupt and authoritarian?

As eu citizen, very happy with this law, but that said, not an apple user. And yes the laws are sometimes hit and miss, (encryption is one of those topics where I have another view than the EU I guess). But with things like this I"m very happy that they make these laws, but indeed in the middle is a grey area with if the should or shouldn´t interfere. That said, I think we have enough evidence that companies don´t have our best interest and will make things terrible for us if they were allowed (the already seem to do a pretty great job, and none of the big companies seems to be really liked by the public). So no interference is no option. About the fear that users need to use a separate store for some apps in the future, that is totally Apple's fault: If they made it that there is no extra costs (and allowed the app on the store, wtf is a game streaming app not allowed) to publish it also on the apple store: NO developer would chose to not publish it also there and leave a lot of people behind. And if need to control everything to keep us safe (feels a bit stupid after the bug that a sms could give an attacker control...) then I guess nothing would stop them to create a daughter company that sells a locked down variant (that company would not fit the "gatekeeper" definition, so would be allowed to do that) and then everyone can choose for themselves what they want. (And if they really care sooo much and that is the only way, they should do that in my opinion, you care so much for our safety right? so give us a chance on that safety, because you can´t trust us clearly to just not install another app store... About nfc payments to open up. My bank had it's own system, but switched to google pay, still pissed about that. The own app always worked fine. Not only it is less secure (phone needs to be unlocked only with google pay, instead of needing pin or fingerprint for the bank app). Also I don´t want that all that info also goes through google ( to be fair, they probably already know most, but still)

Their micro transaction fee is the issue.. They where actually told this is monopoly exploitation.. In the EPIC vs Google court. Those 80% of the total revenue are important..

Has me looking back over the fence to what's going on in Android world. Android is appealing due to customizability and advantages that comes with having an open-source OS (i.e. less restrictions on devs, less restrictions on usability, less monopolization, etc.). While the user experience and functionality can be unbearable to deal with, I can understand that certain restrictions Apple places on their devices can have potentialy security benefits. However, so much of what Apple is doing is pure greed and disgusting in behavior. I absolutely detest many practices Apple partakes in. With all that said, I know the grass isn't greener on the other side. It seems as with Android there is still more of a fragmented environment. Further, a huge issue for me is that while Apple does collect data, on Android it feels like if I get a phone, not only will Google be collecting my data, but the manufacturer of the phone and the companies of whatever 3rd-party apps and services which are preloaded onto the phones. That is, it feels like out-of-the-box, Android phones have more companies immediately trying to steal data. That doesn't sit well with me. I know I could load a custom ROM on an Android phone. While appealing, there are also a lot of drawbacks in terms of functionality and features that are lost. In the end, as consumer, techy, and cybersecurity student, I'm disappointed in the current state of data privacy, data security and consumer rights.

@jonaharagon

4 ай бұрын

I very much agree. The situation is very bad on both fronts when it comes to mobile devices. There's no winning either way, outside of avoiding smartphones altogether whenever possible I think.

It’s the users that will wind up paying those fees. It will roll down hill.

Don’t buy Apple products, just stop. Simple

@basdfgwe

4 ай бұрын

Yes but apple appeals to people who are probably not the target audience for this channel. Most lamens would be on insta or TikTok tbh.

@cesramm1120

4 ай бұрын

And use shty copy cats like androids and get tons of viruses and hackers and terrible preinstaled apps

@RagingBad

4 ай бұрын

@@cesramm1120another ignorant talking

@JohnDoe-rq9cx

4 ай бұрын

Sure, buy android and feed Google Ads with your personal data 24/7 instead. (no, most of users won’t switch to aosp)

@playtester6635

4 ай бұрын

​@@JohnDoe-rq9cx Apple ads or Google ads? But one allows side loading the other doesn't. One makes a phone that officially supports installing alternative operating systems, the other doesn't

Classic apple since always, why the surprised faces?

6:53 It’s only so high to keep the revenue of the super big ones, and not two destroy their own market, which they have built up for 15 years

There is likely gonna be an additional judgement against this but it lets them get more money for a longer time

8:09 which is exactly what most of the target audience will think, “ where do I click now this safari, or this fire foxy thing?”

How do you get the European Union features for the Apple ecosystem if you don't live in Europe?

@techlore

4 ай бұрын

That's going to be hard. Apple isn't just relying on an IP address, but also other data points to ensure someone is actually in the EU. As of right now no news (we've seen) on any ability to spoof this

@MStrong95

4 ай бұрын

@@techlore makes sense but just curious as Microsoft and the Windows 11 setup hack to use world or European regions got rid of bloatwear allegedly

Whever Apple isn't screwing everyone it really needs to be with the caveat "yet."

So this platform thing at 22:57 is going to end up like the crappy movie experience. The whole thing is going to become nothing more than a conglomeration of referrals where nobody is actually providing content but we have to pay them a monthly fee AND buy the content we actually want to see or hear. What is even worse about it, is that everyone else is going to copy this crap. Prime is barely different than AppleTV at this point.

My itchy finger wants to release a alternative os for those devices..

Guys, can we get some videos on spyware on the hardware (PC) level?

@drstalone

4 ай бұрын

Seconded. Much ignored issue. There's so much sinister things with UEFI, that even makes it impossible to remove malware from your Windows install, not that I use that shit anyway.

@moses1440

4 ай бұрын

is there nothing we can do about Intel's management engine? @@drstalone

Android rules because it's Linux and open source. iOS sucks because it's UNIX and closed source. Way back when I was a big apple fan but after they brought out the iPhone they started changing into a greedy corporation. Now I don't recognise them at all. I don't buy their products anymore, I even am disgusted in their software, the lock in, the lack of freedom, the built in moneygrab in everything from hardware to software, to accessories - they just rob you at every turn. The whole point of alternative stores was to give users the freedom to install apps from anywhere, free or paid, totally free of Apple. But true to their greedy nature Apple just won't let go of the money and still want to make money off any transactions. This is nothing to do with user safety and everything to do with Apple profits. They are like the local bully who demands all the kids give him some of their lunch money. They disgust me! Anyone who trusts them are SUPER NAIVE. Android is far, far safer than iOS in any case. It's just superior in every way.

@MrMichaelfalk

4 ай бұрын

IOS is based on BSD not unix.

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

I actually agree with Apples decision here. And I don’t agree with Apple very often.

@drstalone

4 ай бұрын

Android that you typically get installed on your phone is not open source. It is very likely modified by the manufacturer and won't correspond to the source of AOSP. If you are going for custom roms like GrapheneOS then that's a different thing.

The eu law will only help dominance for Chrome which is bad thing. Apple only allowing Webkit was the last stop for Google. Why EU does not have problem with google's anti competitive behaviour with pushing Chrome?

@CrisCheese_

4 ай бұрын

Chrome isn't being anti competitive as far as I'm aware. browsers and consumers just all agreed on using chromium browsers, if u think that's an issue go ahead and tell everyone to use WebKit and Gecko instead

@ondrejsoukup8376

4 ай бұрын

@@CrisCheese_ I wrote answer. But for some reason it is deleted again and again. I think that there should be possibility for using WebKit, Gecko and Chromium. I have used all of them as my main browser for some time during last 5 years and see benefits and disadvantages of them all. So I hope that it will be possible to not only use Chromium. Chrome got their almost monopoly through forcing the browser on google search site and many other sites. I know about users that use Chrome only for that. Not because they like it most. But because it works with all sites.

@duckmeat4674

4 ай бұрын

​@@CrisCheese_chrome is being anti competitive by enforcing standards that apply to chrome only

@ondrejsoukup8376

4 ай бұрын

Why is my answer deleted again and again?

@ondrejsoukup8376

4 ай бұрын

@@CrisCheese_ I think that there should be possibility for using WebKit, Gecko and Chromium. I have used all of them as my main browser for some time during last 5 years and see benefits and disadvantages of them all. So I hope that it will be possible to not only use Chromium. Chrome got their almost monopoly through forcing the browser on google search site and many other sites. I know about users that use Chrome only for that. Not because they like it most. But because it works with all sites.

It's going to be interesting trying to fool iOS into believing I'm in Europe since many software components just don't care if I'm using a VPN/Proxy

Wait until the EU reacts. A big fine is coming to Apple. What was expected from a company who keeps their customers in "jail"?

In the Android world, I'll never understand how people would will install an app made by "someone random dude" on their phone.

@Jose04537

4 ай бұрын

Because the best ones are open source and peer reviewed, so there's literally no reason not to if the app is good.

@zoomingby

4 ай бұрын

@@Jose04537 I'm sure a wide variety of these apps get installed by people who have no idea of the risks.

algorthm hates u dude, i feel soo sorry for u, u deserve far far better views.

LOL... Apple loves their own malicious compliance.

The term is blatant and hostile non-compliance.

Apple should be forced to open IOS completely without robbing developers and they should pay more taxes. EU audience here.

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

Isn’t that the definition of authoritarianism?

@MartinKuhlen

4 ай бұрын

Just like free health care I guess. @@ghost-user559

Android ai phones way ahead of iPhones 💯

kek the apple fanboys are triggered!

maybe tax Apple for it's lack of openness so there's a higher ceiling for other hardware to get started

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

Why? Why not the owners of this site? Like how does removing another hardware and software option “help consumers” in any way? If they get persecuted they will simply pull out of the EU and the devs and customers are the ones who will lose, while the owners of this company will truly have an almost unhindered monopoly in Europe

@PonderLust

4 ай бұрын

@@ghost-user559 I think your translator is broken.

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

@@PonderLust It think your brain is broken. But we can’t help what we are born with. The sad thing is the comments dint post if I say the name of the company that owns this site and then any “negative sentiments”, so this is how we all talk now to get passed that. But that does put the onus on the intelligence and intentions of the person we are attempting to communicate with, so that’s my bad.

@drstalone

4 ай бұрын

@ghost-user.. I think it's not just your comments, I have seen it happen to mine, and people have been complaining on other videos as well. Likely the antispambot removing comments by mistake.

Apple is great at business 😀 they invented what an app store is after all they ahould decided the rules

Apple is doing fine with MacOS. People can install whatever they want. The iOS lockdown is all about money and control. Macs repair is now down to zero though. Slowly Apple are gonna destroy their ecosystem. ARM based apple silicon was an innovation. iPhone have very little innovation.

Barely anyone cares, iPhone is not dominant on European market, and people jump from iPhone to Android, back and fourth with no problems. If you are tired of Apple you buy am Android, or vice versa

@Anco

4 ай бұрын

There are enough users here that don´t want to jump to Android and could possible care, but I don´t think anyone of them really cares that they have to pick a browser one time, and choose to maybe not install another appstore. Also many will be happy if it will give them acces again to fortnite... (I see a EU iphones export to USA with fortnite installed happening 😅)

Apple just too selfish 💯

Abolish EU, also Abolish IP

@ghost-user559

4 ай бұрын

So you want no ip? How do artists and inventors and programmers and literally every industry get paid if anyone can take and steal everything they do instantly?

But: Now a malicious State Actor can open an App Store in the EU, fill it with malicious apps and go market the store to everyone they can reach. What's the safety net there? People just hope that somehow iOS blocks the malicious behavior of these apps? iOS security always seemed to be in two parts. There's the OS native antimalware but you've also always got Apple mother ship watching over the content in the app store and blocking/banning malicious apps. How does this situation not devolve with malicious actors starting up app stores? 🤷

@techlore

4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure how you imagine app stores just magically appear on people's devices? On Android you can have countless third-party App Stores and yet almost no one uses anything other than Google Play because users have to actively install alternative App Stores. Malicious apps *do* exist on Android (and on iOS), but I'm not terribly sure how allowing the option for a user to optionally install another App Store/app installation source is fundamentally different from what we see on Android, Linux, Windows, and yes even MacOS :P

@YaelScience

4 ай бұрын

I believe their policies for third party app store distributions are good for exactly that reason: security. My grandmother or my father or whoever can download apps without the worry that it’s a hidden crypto miner, a scam or a fraud. And if it is a fraud, the app store should have has good costumer service as the oficial app store or better.

@YaelScience

4 ай бұрын

Their cut is because of the work they do to verify the apps.

@tramsgar

4 ай бұрын

@@YaelScience Yes that's their FUD propaganda. Convincing if never given a second thought.

@ondrejsoukup8376

4 ай бұрын

@@tramsgarSo really are you telling, that multiple app stores without rules is better for privacy and security?

APPLE is finally ROTTED

APPLE COMPUTER COMPANY DIED in the late '80s

Don’t like it don’t buy it. Nerds.

If apple was a country - it would be North Korea.

@BasedHyperborean

4 ай бұрын

🙄🙄🙄 good LORD it really isn't that deep

@Adam-326

4 ай бұрын

Uh, no?

As an Apple fanboy, you sound like someone rationalising on why their girlfriend cheated on them.

@jonaharagon

4 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear you’re an Apple fanboy, hope you recover soon 🙏