“It is no less difficult to write a sentence in a recipe than sentences in Moby Dick. So you might as well write Moby Dick.” ― Annie Dillard

Can confirm. When I first started writing, I decided to pen a ten-volume fantasy series akin to Song of Ice and Fire. I legitimately thought I'd create a fantasy epic my first crack out, and nothing could dissuade me. I spent years -- YEARS -- on the worldbuilding, but only ended up writing about nine chapters of the bloody thing, until I eventually burned out. This was back in 2015. A mentor of mine thankfully told me at the time, "You've got a successful book in you, but this isn't it." Best advice I've ever been given. I went back to basics, learned to hike, as it were, and got my first short story published in 2018. It was 5000 words, and I made $300. Flash forward to now, and my first novel, "Into the Known Universe: A Cosmic Love Story, Kinda" is being released in April 2024. The fantasy epic is currently in a drawer gathering dust. Now, I tell aspiring writers the exact same thing -- start with a short story, learn the craft, and go from there.

@RobertD55

Ай бұрын

You can “learn the craft” just as well working on a novel, as long as you’re willing to rewrite over and over.

@TheSecretsOfSorsa

Ай бұрын

Would you feel differently if you completed a 192k word first draft inside of 30 days, nailed most of the characters, created an action packed adventure story with a bad ass ending and built an awesome world?

@phillipreese6272

9 күн бұрын

I just read the sample of your book on Amazon. I saw you not ending dialogue with end quotes. Why? Multiple times? And the mention of a David Lynch film millions of years into the future from now? Doesn't that seem a little, off?

On Mount Everest, you can fall to your death or see your toes freeze off. When you try too much too soon in writing, nothing like this happens. You may totally mess up, learn from it and do it better next time. I think the most important thing is to get started, so you need that story idea you really want to write. If that's a complicated plot with seven protagonists in a world only you are able to understand yet, so be it. Trying to limit it may lead to a story idea that's not what you have in mind, like writing a school essay. When I decided to write a book, I had that idea with a dozen POV characters in multiple factions, several plot twists, face/heel turns, etc. It took quite long to even come to a finish a first draft. And there are so many things to do, like reducing the cast of POV's. In the process, getting in contact with other amateur writers, I wrote a short story based on a prompt. That worked fine and gave me some confidence to continue the long one.

I can attest to this wisdom. I wrote for eleven years before I got ANYTHING published. At this point, I have nearly 30 books on the market, and sooo glad none of my first attempts were accepted.

These guys from "Story Grid" are a godsend. They are among the very rare people who can tell an aspiring writer what needs to be said, and they are able to say it in a loud, clear voice. Listen to them. Thank you for this video, Tim. Kudos to you. Just let me add a small contribution: limit your writing style to something simple. Do not try to copy James Joyce, Lev Tolstoi or Dante Alighieri. Even the best authors have written great books with a simple, easy-to write, easy-to-read prose.

I’ve gone from researching and getting the plot down to faffing around because the consistent writing bit is so hard! Way harder than I anticipated. This is great motivation, thanks.

@StoryGrid

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Keep at it!

I completely agree with this advice. The hosts of the Story Nerd podcast give the same advice (I think they're both Story Grid certified), which is what led me to change my plans for my first novel to be single protagonist, linear timeline. Your other advice aligns (mostly) with what I'm doing. I'm old enough that I definitely don't want to take 12 years to write this book.

I like learning is small chunks and small labs, if you will. I create a lab to learn some aspect that is of interest to me and I set aside time where I can focus on that. I think a 3000 word short story is ideal for "lab work" and I consider a 30,000 word novella of a nice length also.

Halfway through the first draft of my novel and I have to say, you guys are spot on with good coherent advice. Definetely earned a sub from me and I'll be recommending your videos to all writers I know. Thanks!!

Using the "Master Work" as a "model" is what is amazing about the Story Grid. Grid It Out!!! Think about all those hit song-writers out there, they do the same exact thing - it's an ultra-short "story grid" and there are plenty of "hits" that are considered formulaic - they are but they work just like the story grid does.

*sobs* I've already broken all your rules....It's been in my mind since I was 19, and picked it back up the last 4 years. Literally it is the only story I have in me (that I know of), the only one I want to write, that I MUST write. Obviously, I've run into a few of the problems you've mentioned, and I still have not been able to force myself to just write the story in a fashion in which I can just go back and edit heavily after. My mind wants me to see the words on the page perfectly as the final product, even though I know that is not even a remote possibility. I'm currently writing small parts into my (fully plotted and I am admittedly more pantser) story in Scrivener as I listen to this, cringing as I learn everything I'm beating myself up over is my fault LOL! I can't quit, this story is my heart. Without something else interesting to write, is there some way to use the story I have and compartmentalize it in some way, or perhaps write the plots separately as single storylines, and interweave them after when I have more experience? It is very difficult for me to change at all, and now I'm past the halfway point of my life. Multiple people have read what I have done so far, co-workers, honest friends, and a few further removed, the reviews are mostly positive so I feel I am tentatively on the 'right track'. I cannot reiterate how important this story is for me to get out, to share with the world before I pass on.

@Nizzet

6 ай бұрын

Keep in mind this guy hasn't written all that much himself outside of pushing his own brand of writing advice, so I would suggest taking everything he says with a (very heavy) grain of salt. The question for you is not whether or not you should set down this story you have stuck in your mind but rather how to get it done. To that end, it might be worth it to try crafting a few unrelated stories just to help learn how it is done and how you yourself operate as a writer. The mere act of getting something done can be a huge confidence boost if nothing else, and that's something you'll need for the long haul.

@JasonGorton

6 ай бұрын

May I suggest writing the backstories of your characters out as standalone short stories? This helps you practice the mechanics, gives you a better grip of the world you're writing in (an keeps your mind in that world instead of distracting it with others) , fleshes out the background characters, and provides fuel for the main plot when you back to your big project. Think of it as the Hobbit -or Silmarillion, depending on how deep you decide to go- to your Lord of the Rings.

@hawkwolf

6 ай бұрын

@@Nizzet @JasonGorton I guess in a few ways I think he's partially right...I've taken a long time and 170K words into a book that isn't finished, but I have plotted it out from beginning to end now, and feel that continuing on and writing it all out will be much better. I'd really rather write it all out and then decide if it's more than one book, or if things need cut out, I'll have a better idea of where to do so. I definitely don't agree with his hard stance on 'read a lot, write a lot'. You need to read stories you enjoy to understand how a good story is put together on the page, not as well from instructions on how to do so. Reading from a writer's point of view, seeing the pillars holding the story together, you won't get that experience from an instructional video no matter how good it is. You will write a lot! No matter if you follow instructions or not you will write, and you will make mistakes, fix them, and you will find your voice doing it. Now should you just keep writing to infinity without evaluating your prose? Of course not. You work on it and improve and then apply what you've learned, but YOU WILL WRITE A LOT if you're serious about writing. I don't hold myself to a word count when I sit down to write, but I have good days and bad days...Anyway, I thank you for your pep talk, I really needed it.

@Myfreetherapy

2 ай бұрын

@@hawkwolf Yeah man, keep going. They both said what I was going to say. I'm almost finished with my first novel, its got two protagonists, Its also around 100,000 words. IT sounds like you're on the right track. The man might be passionate about his advice but how much has he actually written? Anyway you've got good advice from these comments. Good luck!

@encouraginglyauthentic43

2 ай бұрын

Just put it on the back burner and make other shorter stories.

Someone did a head count of George R.R. Martin's characters. The total? 2,017. That is not a year, that is how many different characters he wrote-so far, just in the current series he's still writing. That does not invalidate Tim's advice, I just found it interesting. And I believe Tim's advice is all great. But there is something that budding writers should be aware of: One protagonist, fictionalized 'you', first person-those are great ideas for a first-timer (or a many-timer), and if you choose those, they will serve you all the way through. Keep it short, limit characters, narrow the world-also great starting advice. But a writer should not be that surprised if the focus there might change over time, regardless what their first intentions might have been. A story seems to often go where it wants, and often, once you know and can inhabit your characters, they will actually tell you what happens next. Additional characters may just appear out of necessity for the story. And a story will end up being as long or short as it needs to be. Of course, the role of the writer in regards to all that is to keep things corralled within reason, and keeping Tim's advice in mind is part of how to do that, but sometimes these things organically change bc the story demands them. They will be surprises you were likely not counting on. I can't discount the advice, it's all good. But it is also important to listen to what the story wants from you, and sometimes it might eventually want to exceed those three restrictions. If the story presents a legit argument, like a defense attorney to a judge, it's worth considering allowing the story to go where it should. I would imagine Sand and Sea might have evolved in this sort of way. But you also should understand that the little mountain you are climbing might be more like Mt. Everest than you might have expected. And that your story will be, as Tim says, 'exponentially harder' to write well, and will likely take a lot longer than you expected. You must be able to commit to that. You have to do the due diligence of the hard work necessary, and know that this will be your expected path. The good news is that if your goal is to be a seasoned mountain climber, if you discover that you are actually climbing Everest, that can teach you a whole lot more than that little mountain can, if you are motivated enough.

@val_nightlily

9 ай бұрын

I suspect GRRM's character count confirms Tim's advice. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he abandoned A Song of Ice and Fire because it got too big even for him.

@tomlewis4748

9 ай бұрын

@@val_nightlily Me, too. When GoT came on HBO, I took one look at the way it was being presented and gave an emphatic 'No'. I was not about to have to juggle tons of characters as a viewer. That concept shoots the concept of clarity directly in the foot. I happily never saw one frame of that show. I got writing to do! Readers (and viewers) really are not that fond of authors handing them rock after heavy rock that they are expected to carry in their backpack for the entire journey. Too much quid for the quo.

@chermoore7144

5 ай бұрын

@@tomlewis4748 I presume you didn't read the books either? Well, you have deprived yourself of learning how to write the very best breakfast descriptions.

Ooh, I wouldn't encourage folks to write their first book in first person. It "looks" easy, but it's so much more demanding than close third. The "naturalness" is deceptive.

I have written around four short stories recently and entered writing contests. I haven't had luck in most of them, but reading the winning stories, I'm only barely beginning to understand what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix it to get better. It's so true that you need to start small. My big novel is currently safely shelved and waiting to be published someday, but I totally plan on writing more novels in the meantime, no longer than 40.000 words each.😊

@ShaneAddinall

6 ай бұрын

I'm in the same boat. My first book idea started to feel too big, so I've put it away and am now looking at short story ideas and basic one off adventures.😅

@gorebunny

Ай бұрын

Those would be considered novellas then. A novel has at least 40k words

Tim, that is so simple and at the same time so helpful. I am already keeping my story in one place, having only one antagonist, only one hero, but as a beginner, it´s still a challenge for me to convince myself that this will become a good read at a certain point. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and experience from Germany!

@StoryGrid

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

My new favorite writing channel!

Don’t necessarily agree with this. The “start from the bottom and work your way up to the top” works for most because it’s been hammered into our brains since childhood. But saying it’s impossible to reverse that course by “starting at the top” isn’t some golden rule that needs to be fallowed or it results in failure. One word, fear. I guarantee you that if your life depended on getting yourself up that Mt. Everest, you’re not going to say “Oh, I guess I’ll just die then because I’m not a skilled mountain climber.” If you’re not a trained actor and Tarantino or Spielberg came to you and said, “Looks wise, you are perfect for a role in a film I’ll be working on. Would you like to audition for the role?” Will you tell that famous director “I’ve never acted before so I have to respectfully decline.” Or will you acknowledge this potentially life changing opportunity that the majority of trained actors probably will never get by saying “I’m honored for this opportunity and I’ll give you 100%, despite having no skills.” There are obvious things you can’t just jump into because they do require A LOT of training or you could be severely injured or die…like gymnastics or Formula One racing, or building a sky scraper, or becoming a surgeon. But, we’re talking about ART, which lives predominantly in the world of the subjective. There are masterful writers who have moderate success and there a mediocre writers that are multi time NYT best sellers who’ve sold millions of copies world wide. You just have to acknowledge that the massive story your writing as your first project will demand a whole lot more from you. Saying to yourself that this project is the only project that matters to me right now. I’m going to learn as much as I can, through knowledge and observation, and my learning through experience will be this massive project. Well, ok then, no excuses. Stakes are extremely high. Get to work and get it done.

@bathos22

6 ай бұрын

The point is, to get from where you are to a mile away takes taking one step at a time. Simple. Sounds like you just want to be contrary for the sake of it.

Really great advice for the writers to be! Great to find this video! There is so much advice on YT, people talk and talk, and all this makes the listener even more confused. There is nothing as complicated as a writing long, complex story. Even a short, simple story is not easy to craft! After all, practice is all you need.

I think this is great advice and thrilled that I had already had a couple of these figured out!

Thank you for these great advices. Actually, these are the greatest advice I had as a new writer. Now, I can say that I am ready to write. THANKS A LOT!

I love these tips. It's easy to get carried away with exciting ideas, but I'm interested in just writing the thing in its most simple form to start. Binge watching your videos lately -- keep up the great work, we appreciate it. 💫

The answer to your question at 1:40 or so is likely because authors like Stephen King and George R R Martin tell new writers that they don't plan, they just sit down and write, and out spills 'The Game of Thrones' or 'The Stand.' No planning needed. Just read a lot and write a lot. Wow! What a concept, just sit down, start writing, do a bit of rewriting, and end up with a great book.

Thankfully I found this video. I was literally in the process of falling into the exact trap you described. Obviously need to research specific areas for science part of sci-fi, but I don't need to know as much as I think. Great advice, and it was much needed!

Sound advice 🙌🏼 Thank you Tim!

This was very helpful. Thanks Tim.

Best advice, I'm impressed. This is one of the best videos I've ever come acrossed.

Good advice and great T-shirt!

Interesting perspective on first person. I always thought of third person at the more natural storytelling voice: i.e. relating the story of someone else. But I can see how modern storytelling has shifted to being about ourselves.

Also, having a small realistic project finished and actually shipped would give a considerable boost to self confidence. So, it is important to have this first win, albeight small, to get confidence boost for a bigger project.

These are things I discovered painfully over time. Story Grid gave me a language and a heuristic to test where I was focusing my creative impulses. As soon as I finish the revision of my WIP (using Narrative Path and Story grid tools), I'm hoping to do a round of the 1-on-1 mentorship with story grid without this current project floating in the back of my mind. I want to finish the WIP to the best of my current skills before shifting towards intentional skills-based practice.

@StoryGrid

9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! If you have a few minutes, can you give a testimonial for Story Grid here: testimonial.to/story-grid-homepage

Amazing advice 👏

This is some of the best advice I’ve got in a long time

Thank you for this. I actually have spent the last 10 years worldbuilding a world with 9 different eras, so that any story I might want to tell, can be told within the same world/universe. I also just published my first novel ("Whispers of the Wind: A Torcorvion Tale") and so far its been met with positive reception. However - i myself am extremely underwhelmed with every single page out of the 450+ that are in that book. I already have the next novels i want to write outlined, and the STORIES are good. Its the actual writing of them that i cant seem to do. Then again, i have spent the last 20 years focused on hip hop. I was once nominated as one of the best young fiction writers in my state, and now im getting back into what made me start writing - but I'm super disappointed with everything i write. But, i am so thankful to have stumbled across this channel. Youre absolutely right. I should not have written Whispers of the Wind as my first novel. I should have gone back to the basics. However - theres no changing the past. Going forward, i am scaling way back. Im going to be writing storytelling poems, ballads, odes, and short stories. Still set in Torcorvion, but I think youre right, that I need to go back and re-learn to hike. Thank you for these videos

I’m grateful! Wonderful tips! My problem is that I am overdoing (this is not only with stories but, even with my homework since school time).

Making a second note: Do you know if the spreadsheet for the Trinity seminar will be released soon? Or even if that is a possibility? I have found the information highly informative and I particularly like spreadsheets an math formulas. Just don't tell anyone.

I can't say I'm necessarily 'resisting' this advice...I think it's great advice, and I've actually done a lot of what you're talking about. I've discovered that I struggle with 'simple', though, and my writing really shines when the story is complex.

@sweaterweatherlady

3 ай бұрын

I did, too. My task is to take all those complex ideas and simplify them to their most concentrated state. What matters most in this idea? How do I execute it tactfully? Sometimes, I have to drop ideas because I can't find room for them in the story, but I feel like it's overall rewarding.

Excellent advice. I'm just starting out, so pardon my ignorance. I'm given to understand that 1st person writing is normally associated with hard-boiled detective novels of yester years. This is great for me as those novels are fine for cutting my teeth on. However, to broaden things, I figured I'd try a 1st and 3rd person approach. I hope it works out. Either way, I'm enjoying myself. 😊

Most things you've said I totally agree with. But I don't see making a fictionalized version of myself. I don't find myself all that interesting, everyone I meet is more interesting than me. I also have played tabletop RPGs for decades, and read hundreds of novels. I have lots of models for my characters, other than myself.

Great advice!

This video popped up at a good time. I'm participating in nanowrimo this month and my first project is a scifi epic fantasy. I've been slacking on word count the whole month and losing motivation. My writing needs work and a smaller project would better for me to work on😊.

EXCELLENT ADVICE!

@StoryGrid

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I've spent the bulk of my adult life writing 5 novels but I have published none of them. They're all different genres but I'm going to write my 6th novel next week and its yet a different genre. I have never written a sequel but I have plans for a major series sometime soon. But I think its time to move into the editing and publication phase of writing.

I did the exact opposite of what you said and my first novel has been stuck since 14 years ago !🤣🤣🤣 As in this Nanowrimo 2023, I did what you said before I discover this video, I got a much simpler and funny version of it done in only a few days ! 😆😆😆

I have a professional crush on Story Grid. This is outstanding advice.

I REALLY want to write my book and this was great advice. However, the end when you asked “why are you puttiing off writing your book,” it’s quite the oppotiste for me. I get too carried away in this imaginary world of characters, magic, and technology, and I have to slow down and do the research, learn, and take advice first. I’ve always tried to make little stories and that was the problem: no real thought for the plot or endgame. I already wrote 3 pages and feeling myself rush, but I know it’s going to take time and I’m more than likely going to delete most of it. I want it to feel right and go in with the correct knowledge and wisdom than to write impulsively and make it as I go.

I think the reason I struggle to default to smaller stories before writing the book I’m working on is because it feels like abandonment. I’ve had plenty of stories that I wanted to be massive and, like you said, got overwhelming. Each time I try a new story, though, I’m getting further. Of course, I keep eventually running into the problems you’ve mentioned even if it comes later as I gain skill. Anyway, to answer the question of why I fight back internally against the short story argument is simply because I’m too attached to the big stories in my head. Even worse, I feel like if I take the breaks required to work on short stories, I’ll forget what I was doing in my larger work.

Think of a story as a single stream of water. Sure it may be connected to a vast system of waterways that connect to other larger bodies of water. But if you are going just down that one stream of flowing water then that is the stream that has your focus. Those other streams may at some point intertwine with the stream that you are on, and you can briefly ponder about those streams as they come and go, but you are still just focused on that one stream that you are flowing down on at that very moment. All stories are like this. Focus only on the one stream. And when you find the end at the large body of water below (lake, ocean, maybe a large river) you can always climb back up to the next stream for your next story. Happy trails and good luck! :)

That's great advice, which I probably won't follow exactly. Context - I've done the 20 years building a complex fantasy world and in the process I've written several short stories whilst building the backstory. I'm also over half-way through writing the novel. What I'm doing instead is limiting scope, I'm aiming for around 80,000 words max and I've limited the characters to those that will actually be involved in the story, it gives me depths to draw on if necessary. I am writing in first person who is a fictional me and one of my rules has become only to describe the world as my characters come into contact with it, including facts they have "always" known. The world only exists as a container for my protagonists emotional and personal journey, that simplifies things. They haven't come face-to-face with any magic yet and probably won't understand it when they do. I'm currently writing a short story about the final antagonist and then I need to get clear about the final confrontation. Once I've done that I think the story will more or less write itself, or at least the characters will. So yeah, I am listening, but adapting it to my needs.

Complexifying🎉

Make it simple. Start small period. I am trying to write episodically that way it's easier to write a novel. 😅

Another point about steering clear of novel length in the beginning: you won't have a completed, polished manuscript for several years. At least. That's assuming it's coherent and you finished the first draft straight away.

I started out in 2016 to write a book. It was going to be a love story, about the dangers and life lessons and be so deep and it'll move people. Couldn't figure out why it wasn't just, you know, writing itself lol. So I thought, maybe practice with another one, till I get better at figuring this out. Started another novel in about 2020. I'm only just now starting to kinda figure out what should be happening next. After watching this, now it's all making sense why I was confused about why it's not just writing itself, why I can't figure it out when they say, "just sit down and write" and I do that, but I don't feel like I'm getting better lol. I wish I knew about this channel and all the information they put out, back in 2016 😅😅😅.

I have in fact, already written a first fantasy, multi-POV draft of a gajillion words and the plot is so much confetti :D Slowly rewriting, but now I have a second smaller main project aimed to be 21 chapters. Much more manageable and a great learning experience!

I resist two aspects, the first is that I am not interested in a fictionalised version of me, that is how Mary Sue characters get made. And the other is about writing in first person, since the narrative is not about me so I can turn on full gossip mode and just write about the person the story is about. I also think that starting to write in the proposed manner of these two aspects could lead people to develop bad habits, and well, I find fiction in third person is usually more expressive.

Why the f*#&*$%? am I writing the epic you ask. Cause that epic is in my head, no other story, just this one, that's why. You have a point, though, going for the epic is a bit much, I think if you're excited about a story, write about it, even if it's a small scene or short story inspired by it. At least the epic gets some kind of exposure that way rather than dying a death as an unfinished manuscript.

@carolynhunt7333

7 ай бұрын

For what it’s worth, I support you in thinking big.

I was gonna disagree but then I remembered that that is exactly what I did. First a short story, then a novella, and then an 80k novel. I would only recommend not to get stuck writing tons of short stories if your goal is to write a novel. Write one or two and jump to something bigger. It is quite nice to write something over 40k just so that you can say that you wrote a novel. Then you can move on and do some nice work

Another thing I've seen professional writers do is write a successful short story - and then later on (maybe many years later) turn that short story into a novel. I've seen this in two different ways: The author rewrites the original story, but expands it greatly. (2) The author uses the short story as a chapter in the novel that tells much more of the story, editing the original only as appropriate to make it fit as a chapter in the larger story. Back in the old days (as in, several decades ago), it was not uncommon for novel-length stories to be serialized.

I'm 15 months into writing ten trilogies that would take approximately 32 years to finish. I probably shouldn't have tried to build a watchtower on the top of Mount Everest by myself...

Quick question: on "Pick a Masterwork" Should I choose a book I consider the 10th best story I've ever know, even though the 1st best story I ever know is from a videogame that was not converted in a book at all?

I started a grand epic fantasy series when I was younger, without any notes, outlines, or anything. Managed to bang out about 300 or so pages before my brain exploded trying to hold all the threads together. Came back to writing around 2014 with the idea of self publishing on Amazon. Made a ton of mistakes, and actually created a KZread channel (not like this one) about the technical side of things writers need to do. My goal was to start with erotica, and work my way up to longer works of "real writing" and it worked out well. Some sold, some didn't, some sold really well, some didn't. I'm still making money every month from books I published back in 2016 (thank you Germans and your weird kinks) and have been able to publish under a different name more mass market novels. Life is good, and I'm happy, but still a little worried about the Germans. This video is great advice, take small steps, and set goals. Self Publishing is totally doable.

The thing is, you want to have fun writing. IDC about it being good, I'm just having fun. Already wrote 70k (by the plan there's about 100k to go) and for me, 2 hours of that a day is better than tv. The complexity is what make it fun.

In case you were wondering, somebody else is taking your advice. I caught this video just before NaNo and it's having the desired impact. It's unparalyzing me. Before I retired, I did a lot of the big, complicated work, loved it, and excelled at it. But it wasn't writing fiction. So I need to put the training wheels back on the bike and make things easier for myself.

What if I'm 51 years old in writing my first book? I don't have 25 years left to get it right.

@Tommy_007

3 ай бұрын

Do it in 8 years.

This is so true. Every new writer I come across wants to write the next Malazan series. I'm like...bruh

@StoryGrid

9 ай бұрын

Right??

4:40 self insert for the win!

First, to answer your question: Everyone wants to write a 9-part epic fantasy because it's awesome! (And kind of in vogue right now.) Second, this is great advice and can be applied across any skill. Start simple, build a good foundation, and go from there. However... I was one of these people, and here's a possible counter argument: I went to school for business, so I basically learned theory for 23 years before applying any real skills. I learn best by doing, and since I have a fulltime business, writing is a hobby. I wanted to write what I wanted to write, and I've been reading epic fantasy since I was a kid. One of my fears in life is being one of those people who's always TALKING about what they're going to do, and I'd rather be DOING. So I just started writing. I wrote my first book in a year, and I've been editing it for multiple years now, but it's like a case study in learning how to write. I've been learning the craft and applying it to my work. At this point, I actually feel like I've got some of this story stuff figured out and I'll be able to tell a fine, EPIC, only 4-book fantasy series. But I have no delusions that it will be the next GoT =) In case any newbie writer is curious, here are the specifics of my blunder into writing: 1) I have 1 MC, and the only other real protagonist is his love interest. 2) I'm too in love with 3rd person POV CLOSE (in the reader's head). 3) My novel came out to about 130K words--and I have cut and rewritten ~50K of that probably. 4) I worked hard to ensure characters overlap and are more interesting rather than adding more characters. I have 5-10 really important characters. 5) The first book has 1 main source of antagonism and it's an old white man ;) 6) I broke this one... my world is huge, but I think I do a good job of leaving much in mystery in the first book, so it's not confusing and even enticing. 7) I read a ton of fantasy, so I think have a good base of what works (executing on that is a different story...). I'm not resisting this advice--I just already violated it! Glad I found this channel, thanks for the great video! But like I said, I'm a DOER, not a TALKER, so I've already written my first book. Maybe I'll be working with you soon to get it published!

Great

I managed to cut down my story to 3 viewpoint characters, but it's still a sprawling epic space opera with worldbuilding and believable technology. The reason I know it's right for me is because I'm almost finished with the first draft!

1:54 yea I’m guilty of this as I was planning on having gods of the Omniverse and one gives some power to someone for they would go out causing chaos I didn’t even have a plot I was just doing what ever came to my mind and I didn’t get far not even having the character enter another universe unless you count the void

Hmm. Sounds like JK Rowling. Gone with the Wind was Margaret Mitchell’s first book. You start with what you start with. I can’t really buy into this advice for everyone. Not really into making things easy on myself. But I guess if you’re determined to set a low bar for yourself….

@theapavlou3030

7 ай бұрын

Do you know how many times Harry Potter was rejected? And how much it had to be dumbed down for the US audience? That's setting the bar low... your audience not knowing what "Philosopher's" means 😂

You’re totally calling me out.

I think this is okay advice, but it is sort of true that writing the first draft gains you a lot of experience, which can be used to edit and rewrite. And so with time and effort you can get your first novel in a good state, even if it is complex. You are going to spend a lot of time doing that though.

Dude, this is great advice, but like, please blink.

I recognised this problem and decided to write a simple novel as a way of easing myself into the huge, sweeping sci-fi/fantasy series. I even chose a child for my protagonist (a child with some of my own characteristics) to keep things simple and constrained. A larger story is hinted at but the plot never leaves the child's neighbourhood. The problem I now have is staying focused on that short, simple novel. Even when much of the epic has been left on the bench, set aside for future novels, I find myself tempted to complicate the story and add subplots concerning the child's parents, neighbours, and friends. Writing a "simple" novel is actually very hard. I have to force myself to NOT think about the epic story, easier said than done for a daydreamer who likes to live in their head. Happily, I've found a masterwork to work with. Charlotte's Web. A short, deceptively simple novel that involves many of the author's thoughts on things like death, justice, and the significance of religion. It couldn't be a more perfect companion to the kind of story I want to write. So thanks for that tip! Here's to getting "Neighbourhood Witch Alliance" finished!

I write middle grade so my books are never more than 40.000 words. I am on my third book and I would never write anything so long. So, I will never break your first rule.

Complexifying😂

I would feel as if I'm cheating if I had to sort of copy another successful author's story as my masterpiece. 😅 I just couldn't do it.

I mean i I started small it was about two soldiers Wanting to kill each other long after a war, now I'm sitting on 3,000 pages of lore, story, history and ect.

Overcomplexify 😂

I kind of assumed that any sane person who sent their first book to a publisher had already written for years, had dozens or hundreds of unfinished novels or highly detailed outlines, and several finished books that just didn't seem good enough to publish. But I guess some people really have excessive self esteem. (I assume most of them will self publish at some point though.)

HOW MANY 12 YEARS DO WE HAVE

I dont not agree with you, but wasn't Pat Rothfuss first book Name of the Wind? Harry Potter was jk rowlings' first book. Im 20k words into my first book and i have it all planned out with a gameplan for my next 2 books. I have 2 protagonists. Its what im passionate about and I personally hate short stories. One book stories always feel rushed and incomplete to me. Granted im not spending years world building. Im actually world building as I go.

@StoryGrid

2 ай бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias - Tim

@MrKlarc19

2 ай бұрын

I'm not saying that, I'm saying write what you love. I'm not going to write a dumbass short story just to practice. All it's going to do is turn me off from writing and I'll never end up writing what I want. I also didn't say I disagreed with you, I'm just saying there's lots of exceptions and for some reason those exceptions tend be be the most popular.

Please blink

@powerthroughfocus

Ай бұрын

😂🎉

@mvo9856

3 күн бұрын

7:03 😂

Commercially is a 200,000+ book a good idea? Couldn't it have been a fast release trilogy instead?

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤔 Setting lofty goals without experience - The author advises starting small and gaining experience before tackling huge projects. - Using the analogy of climbing Mount Everest, he explains how attempting something too ambitious without the proper skills is unwise. 02:54 📝 Simplifying your first novel - The author recommends writing your first novel with just one protagonist who is like you. - Keep the first novel under 100,000 words, in first person, with few characters and limited worldbuilding. - Choosing a respected similar book as a guide can provide solutions when you get stuck. 10:28 ⏱️ Avoiding procrastination traps - Extensive planning and worldbuilding can be ways of avoiding actually writing. - It's better to publish a simple complete book than spend decades planning a complex epic. - Consider why you resist advice to start small - is it fear of finishing? 13:14 🏁 Finishing and publishing should be the goal - The priority is to complete and publish your first book, no matter how simple. - After gaining experience, you can attempt more complex stories in the future. - Don't let unattainable perfection prevent you from finishing. Made with HARPA AI

Here's the problem with this allegory: a typical novice writer is not really in the same situation as the wannabe climber. Because even if we have not written a book before, we have read LOTS. And yeah, we still have heaps to learn - but we already know heaps, as well, about what works and what doesn't. And the thing about baby steps is that they are BORING. I do not agree, either, with that bit about protagonists. For many a writer, it is the interplay between the characters that is the most important thing, the thing that makes the book come alive. Significant interplay - which is only posssible between protagonists. Hey, you cannot even have a decent romance if you restrict yourself to one!

I would say, quit the idea of climbing the Mount Everest.

Ok, I have to disagree with you, because I know at least three different authors that wrote big book series. Christopher Paolini: Inheritance Cycle Series Joe Abercrombie: First Law Series Brian Lee Durfee: Five Warrior Angels Trilogy Why should I listen to you since there is proof first-time authors made it big?

@StoryGrid

7 ай бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

@k.christopherpfeiffer5302

7 ай бұрын

​@@StoryGrid What do you mean by this? Do you mean it's impossible for a first-time author fails selling their big series or I didn't do enough research on the books from first time authors? Do you want more proof?

@StoryGrid

5 ай бұрын

My point is that the vast, _vast_ majority of people that set out to do this fail miserably, but we cherry pick and see the successes as reasons why _we_ should do it, which is Survivorship Bias. In most cases it's best to start with an easier endeavor and then build up to something more ambitious. - Tim

@k.christopherpfeiffer5302

5 ай бұрын

@@StoryGrid Really, you want fewer ideas to fail? The problem is your wrong. I gave you three different first-time authors that expanded their ideas into their book series. You're telling all your viewers it's not possible? I've got ideas that could be published that could be a book series but listening to you in this video you say start small for my book series?

So... I'm going completely opposite of everything you're saying, so this advice clearly isn't for me. Thanks, anyway, I guess?

Under this comment I am going to reveal my first short story. I’d like critique from anyone willing to read it.

@theeightbithero

5 ай бұрын

Travis’s eyes split wide open. I could see fear carving away at his usual stoic countenance. Thump… thump. We meant to hunt bear. We should have never left the safety of the mountains. It’s a shame. The air is so refreshing down in the valley. Thump… thump. “Travis, we need to get out of here.” I whispered to my elder brother. He pointed across the meadow. “When I say so, run like hell to that forest. Don’t look back. We will regroup and figure out what to do then.” It had been nice having him back home for the fall. He really had grown into his beard. War does that to ya, I guess. “Now! Run, Godfrey!” When I left the shadow of the bolder I saw our villain. A giant standing with his sling at the ready. We were not alone in the hunt, rather we were its game. The forest once across the field seemed now across a continent. It took what felt like 15 minutes to reach the tree line. When I got there I could taste the copper flavor of blood from running so hard. “Godfrey. Get over here.” I ran to him still well out of breath. “How are we going to get out of here? There is a giant between us and home now!” Travis looked me in the eye with contempt for his foolish little brother. “We can do plenty of things. We can walk deep into the woods and circle the valley. We could climb this mountain out of the giant’s range of breathable air. We could… shit!” By now, I really needed to, but I knew that he wasn’t talking about that. Smoke. I could smell smoke and the horror of it took my heart. It hadn’t rained in two months. The forsaken forest floor was covered in red dry leaves. A living tinderbox ready to light up. It was trying to smoke us out! “No no no!” Travis exclaimed. He thought for a second. There was no way we could outpace a forest fire. “Godfrey, nock your arrow. Get in as close as you can, then take out its eye.” “How am I supposed to get close to that thing?!” “I will distract him for you. Walk up behind and him when you are close, wait till it releases the stone from the sling then yell. When you see its eye, take it out and run back home.” “Releases its stone? Don’t tell me you mean yourself to play at live bait!” “We don’t have time, Godfrey! Follow my orders and do so quickly and maybe, just maybe, we can both make it out of here! Now you go left around the fire. I’m going right. Aim small, brother.” He began to run from me before turning and shouting, “Now, Godfrey!” Then he was off. I approached the tree line from the left of the fire as Travis instructed. The giant was already slinging stones the size of two of my heads at my brother a hundred yards out. His back was turned from me as planned. I approached the giant as quickly and quietly as I could. The longer Travis was out there the more likely we wouldn’t make it. One of the boulders almost got him. He was slowing. Fatigue was eating away at his plan. I stopped. I could have gotten closer, but I needed to do something. As I raised my bow I could hear Travis yelling faintly under the sound of the swing of the sling, “Closer, Godfrey! Closer!” I knew that he was right. I froze. I imagined the giant’s great boot crushing my frame like a beetle.” When I awoke from that horror, the giant had released its stone, and was now reloading the sling. I cried out to draw its attention. I drew and fired my bow when I caught his eye. Direct hit! By some wonderful magic, the day was saved! The giant fell to his knees, and then to the ground, revealing the price of this black magic. “God no.” Travis had vanished. I ran past the giant and my fears possessed my legs to a sprint. “Travis!” No “Travis!” The sight of the bent over grass turned my stomach, and I began to hurl. Only then did I begin to understand why. I looked down. Blood, legs, his rib cage. He was gone. Sure everything that made up Travis was laid open up to my observation, but the structure of God’s handiwork had been miserably defaced. The life of a man not seconds ago correcting my approach, extinguished. I sat with him. Smoke of an orphaned fire blocked out the sun. I still can’t get the stench of my brother’s blood out of my nose.

I disagree.

@StoryGrid

9 күн бұрын

Ok… congrats? - Tim

Comparing writing a book with climbing Mount Everest, just enjoy writing guys, no one dies from writing a fantasy series. Boomer

@StoryGrid

3 күн бұрын

First of all, how dare you. I’m a fucking millennial! ‘81 😂👴🏻 Second of all, what you’re describing is journaling. Writing is just having fun until you realize you’re not good enough and it’s going to be harder than you ever imagined to acquire the skills to get what you’re trying to say on the page. - Tim

Who punched you ?

@StoryGrid

3 ай бұрын

I practice brazilian jiu-jitsu, so it was probably somebody's knee instead of their fist 😀 - Tim