Full interview with Vince Russo: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doN7tLepoM-7gLA.html

@TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA

Жыл бұрын

Love It CVVCLIPS Bro

@MrWhateverfits

9 ай бұрын

I just came back to wrestling after not watch since the early 2000's. I grew up with the Attitude Era and now when I watch all I can see is just the fakeness and miss timed moves.

@thomaskolodziej9994

9 ай бұрын

The attitude era was the best I can't stand new s***

@Kazpper88

9 ай бұрын

HE AIN'T WRONG

@Kazpper88

9 ай бұрын

HE AIN'T WRONG

Jim Cornett’s blood pressure has entered the chat

@Noobie2k7

9 ай бұрын

I mean Cornette would probably agree with this in private, publicly he'd obviously still disagree on principle. Cornette also hates modern wrestling for the same reasons. I do love Cornette but he's never ran a wrestling company that drew any money, Russo has twice. His WWF and first TNA runs were both successful.

@jamesf791

8 ай бұрын

​@@Noobie2k7Russo ran a wrestling company? Running and writing a few bullet points are not the same thing, bro

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

@@Noobie2k7 Russo Killed Owen

@thatboybear

2 ай бұрын

@@Noobie2k7Russo ran WCW and TNA into the ground, and the only reason WWE survived his tenure with the book is the dual advantages of having two of the hottest stars in the history of the business on the same payroll at the same time and a boss that controlled his product. Russo is the Dame Dash of wrestling: you say you made this company? Make another one.

@jasoninflagstaff

2 ай бұрын

​@@thatboybearRusso never had "the book" in the wwf. He was A writer among a bunch of writers and everything had to go through McMahon. So much of Russo's garbage never left the committee meetings & you've seen since what happens when Russo's nonsense doesn't have a filter.

how chris survived a whole interview with VR is insane!

@herecomesdatrain

Жыл бұрын

He's a professional

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

VR speaks the truth. Watch AEW Collision. The only real story is, "I'm better than you! Let's wrestle!" Wrestling is different than it used to be.

@buttereggs35555

Жыл бұрын

​@@yourfavoriteentertainmentfacts

@brahmabull5018

Жыл бұрын

@@yourfavoriteentertainmentDude you couldn’t be more fucking wrong 😂 Thank god you don’t run a wrestling promotion lol!!

@malekat8539

Жыл бұрын

​@brahmabull5018 then explain why he's wrong if you would mind...

Anybody and I mean anybody can sit and watch Booker T & Stone Cold shopping at the grocery store together. 😂

@thedecipher346

9 ай бұрын

Anybody can actually sit and watch the attitude era in general

@cakeisbetterthanpie9169

8 ай бұрын

But not anyone who loves wrestling loves every single thing about wrestling.

@GracefulEloquence

6 ай бұрын

@@thedecipher346 Yeah, I guess if you are into rape, gore, and lynching, the attitude era was palatable to a wider audience and not just edgy teens.

@TheDON914

2 ай бұрын

FACTS😂😭💀

@TheDON914

2 ай бұрын

​@cakeisbetterthanpie9169 True

Unpopular opinion: Whether you like him or not, he does have a point. Only those who’ve watched pro wrestling for 25+ plus years will understand where he’s coming from… especially from a business standpoint. The casual fan is what REALLY generates revenue.

@Shockkings0714

11 ай бұрын

Than why are both companies, WWE and AEW making outstanding revenue right now?

@grandpaabundy6145

11 ай бұрын

The casual fan

@Shockkings0714

11 ай бұрын

@@grandpaabundy6145 But didn’t he just critique modern wrestling for not being able to draw in casual fans because of their approach of wrestling?

@jeremykurtz83

11 ай бұрын

WWE 2nd Quarter of 2023 Revenue was up 25%. Viewership of Smackdown and Raw increased 26% and 19% in the 18-49 demo. Live events revenue increased 51% over the prior year. You, Russo, and the casual fan can all please go away.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

He's absolutely right. (No one talks about today's "characters" like they did in the '90s when everyone watched it.)

Vince Russo did a fantastic job showing how little he knows or cares about this industry in under a minute. Wow.

@_Snafu_

Жыл бұрын

Right. I mean had the highest ratings everywhere he went, but, yeah. Clueless he is, right. Wink 😉

@yelhsanosnhoj6602

Жыл бұрын

He is 100% right. The fundamentals of wrestling have been drastically altered thanks to King Karen, CM Punk, and his legion of Karens who hang on to his every word like it’s the truth. And since that’s just about every adult nowadays who watches wrestling there’s been a major shift in the product. There isn’t any character because people want to see “real wrestling” matches whatever the hell that is. They love a gimmick and think that is character and it’s not and so now everyone on the roster feels exactly the same despite what they call themselves and how goofy they dress. WWE needs to attract new fans to keep it afloat but the new roster can’t do that, they only attract preexisting wrestling fans. And that isn’t much especially compared to the numbers WWE used to do. Roman had the ability to but the jealous fans didn’t want to see him prosper and so he can’t. Y’all blame Vince when y’all can’t see it’s the wrestlers themselves that just don’t have it because you are tripping off their Indy work. Hate it if you want but what Russo said is 100% true.

@Appalachianasshole41

Жыл бұрын

Modern wwe is hot garbage. I have watched from 1982 until about 10 to 15 years ago. It is absolutely not the same and everything russo said is true. Character doesnt matter stoey doesnt matter. All the wrestlers look practically identical like they have 2 to 4 molds and all wrestlers must fit into one of those molds. No real stars anymore nobody that can be a ring general and create a match unscripted on the fly, all promos entirely scripted and rehearsed. No emotion no love no hate no nothing just a boring snooze fest that old fans hate and turned away from. This modern era cant hold a candle ro oldschool eras any of them. Even the cartoon like over the top 80s early 90s wwf was better when we had guys like coco beware and those other ridiculous gimmicks it was still better.

@louisn1368

Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you on about Vince Russo is spot on ever since 2007 wwe has gone downhill even in the ruthless aggression era there was a wrestling matches that went on for far too long and in if it wasn’t for weapons,blood and swerves people would have hated the ruthless aggression era same way they hated the pg era,reality era and all the era’s since

@Appalachianasshole41

Жыл бұрын

@@louisn1368 honestly for me having started watching in 1982 every era from middle of ruthless aggression on is just the same shit era, it's all the same and nothing differentiates them for me. Long matches aren't a problem when the story and heart is there. I sat ringside for hhh vs hbk hell in a cell, it was something like 48 1/2 minutes and was awesome. Flair used to do hour long matches with steamboat and made the match up as it happened based on the audience. Just a completely different and watered down product at this point.

I’m embarrassed for admitting as much, but I can’t handle the zooms and the shaky cam. That’s what chases me away.

@myth1cal37

Жыл бұрын

Better reason to not like wrestling than VRs reasoning

@gladiator1342

Жыл бұрын

And the terrible acting

@Briansgate

Жыл бұрын

screw those zooms and shaky cams

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

The zooms are cringe, it's like they're admitting the match ain't exciting enough by itself.

@renel8964

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! The moment I saw the 1st zoom I went "I'm done"

He is right there. Characters and story dont matter anymore, people wanna skip right to the big match with no meaning behind it.

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

so? ill skip to whatever match he wrote the storyline for. fuck his writing.

He ain't lying. The bloodline and judgment day would have been like a one month storyline during attitude era.

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

before Vince needs to push his newesr totally funny gimmick, Beaver Cleavage

@EdgyContents

5 ай бұрын

And than he would move onto spmething as good so that people wouldnt get bored

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

@@EdgyContents depends on "as good" when you got mr beaver cleaverge or general hugh g rection or the fat chick thriller aka that 70s guy

@100thprimate

3 ай бұрын

The bloodline is corny vince russo bs that killed wrestling. Look at golbergs whos next, it was super simple and worked for months because the jackknife was billed as some nuclear weapon. Then everyone started doing it every 30 seconds under russo so it didn’t mean anything so he came up with bizarre stories and now those dont work and there’s nothing so they have 3 hour shows of filler

@uberhaxorzskelletor

3 ай бұрын

​@@100thprimateBooking someone like that only works for so long if you're not a good worker and Goldberg had a lot to be desired. He's pretty much the WCW ultimate warrior because he's not really a good enough worker if they don't book him perfectly

This guy never liked wrestling.

@thesegafan4472

Жыл бұрын

No one likes wrestling today .

@quas3728

Жыл бұрын

@@thesegafan4472 yea only smarks stick to wrestling just to cheer loud to guys like kevin owens.

@endlessfiregaming3863

Жыл бұрын

​@@thesegafan4472lmfao who are u kidding . I like wrestling more now then i ever did back in the day .

@kevinlee9929

Жыл бұрын

​@@endlessfiregaming3863That would put you in the minority

@endlessfiregaming3863

Жыл бұрын

@kevinlee9929 yep tell that to the 70,000 people who bought tickets to all in , or maybe the sold out to the rafters scotia bank arena for forbidden door that I was at .

I have to admit Russo is, for once, right on this one. A lot of matches feel random and purposeless nowadays. In the Attitude Era, even the most meaningless match had a solid story behind it.

@stashallemagne4488

11 ай бұрын

ehhhhhh i wouldnt agree with this

@Noobie2k7

9 ай бұрын

I mean in rhe Attitude Era almost no matches ever ended clean. The matches were just used as a means to keep the story going to the next PPV which back then is where the big money was. Now wrestling shows are written and booked for TV, not for the PPV's.

@fuckiopussigetti453

5 ай бұрын

@@Noobie2k7 you talking about the AA matches never ending clean but forwarding the story is true, almost every single fuckin main event during that time was Austin- Taker, Austin-H, Austin- Rock, Rock-H, Rock-Taker in some shape or form and it always ended in a wild schmoz or the show ended with some post segment with some top guys getting ambushed

@spheremode3271

4 ай бұрын

I like parts of the Attitude Era, but a lot of those storylines weren't solid, they were mostly low-brow trash like choppy choppy ur pp. The stories at the top were mostly quite intriguing, but the midcard storylines sucked. I'd rather have the midcard not have too much story than have it be filled with trashy garbage.

@zacharyradford5552

2 ай бұрын

So right that why the other two promotions he worked for and had unfiltered creative control died out.

Vince russo just summed up a huge issue within the indie scene and AEW

Who remembers when 3 finishers was the ultimate game over. Like when taker gave Kane 3 finishers and he kicked out at 4 so taker won the match. It made Kane look like a monster. Nowadays if you don’t take 10 finishers in a match it’s not over yet

@conorbarnett6379

3 ай бұрын

Idk every top draw main event heel that drops the title at WM for the last couple years has been hit wit three straight, Brock in 2019 vs Seth 3 Stomps, Brock in 2020 vs Drew 3 Claymores & Reigns at 24 3 Cross-Rhodes… so if anything it’s more like that first Kane Undertaker match then ever minus the Mankind HIAC match 98 limp kick at the 3 & 1/2 count which definitely works as a something to use sparingly for a all out war and maybe if he’s returning this year as a face by default they coulda had Roman like limply move the arm at the 3 especially if my maths right and the end game is Roman vs Solo in a Chief Match

@conorbarnett6379

3 ай бұрын

And I’ll give the Gunther Zayne match any day as an example of your point, beyond Rocky Balboa overkill that the character never displayed before or prob will again he basically channeled Hulk Hogan and it was just like if he had kicked outta just 2 finishers in 5 minutes and nobody addressed how bizarre it was

So you don’t like wrestling, you basically just like reality TV

@maybelater2010

Жыл бұрын

BINGO

@anthonyanderson9303

Жыл бұрын

Wrestling is reality tv

@celtic69

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyanderson9303 no, it isn’t

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

Wrestling is supposed to be a testosterone driven soap opera with characters and stories. Fake fight after fake fight gets boring and dull.

@jactrich

Жыл бұрын

That’s what wresting is to a tee my man. I loved it growing up especially through the 90s but we all knew we were watching an R rated live soap opera. Who’s the most famous wrestlers? Rock,Stone Cold ect. Are they the best technical actual wrestlers? Not a chance Why are they the most famous wrestlers when there is much better wrestlers? Because pro wrestling is a soap opera.

Dude clearly hasn’t been watching the bloodline

@thetribalist6923

Жыл бұрын

Funny enough Id say the bloodline story proves his point. Characters and story are a big draw and that angle is proof.

@anthonyanderson9303

Жыл бұрын

​@@thetribalist6923exactly its not from the matches. Roman barely wrestles.

@anthonyrivera2306

Жыл бұрын

​@@thetribalist6923And funny enough, he's stated that he doesn't like the Bloodline angle, which baffles me.

@geno1399

Жыл бұрын

I haven't, WWE lost me when the streak ended, TNA lost me when they hired VR

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

No. He only watches Raw.

NO NO NO “Bro” you changed the fundamentals of the game when you turned a cherished sport into YOUR game. Cease to exist soon please for all of us.

He is 1000% right and if you don’t agree you do not think for yourself.

Storylines were always more interesting to me than the matches themselves.

@robinali6903

10 ай бұрын

Which is why I agree with him.

@DeezNuts-

10 ай бұрын

Yes but the matches are part of the story, getting the balance right is important. When russo was running the show, it was terrible because their was no balance it was all about characters and gimmicks and the storylines were inconsistent and the matches were too fast and inconclusive.

@LoganHunter82

9 ай бұрын

There should be a nice balance between matches and promos. If you concentrate too much on one or the other, it becomes boring. Look at WWE at the beginning of '2010's. Hardly any matches, promos went on like 20-30 minutes, matches were always the same etc...That's why I also find this modern NWA very boring. Not enough promos and storytelling

@zacharyradford5552

2 ай бұрын

Wrestling is the fucking story line.

@mistert4533

2 ай бұрын

@@zacharyradford5552 no it's not. Stone cold getting hit by a car is a storyline. Randy Orton attacking the McMahon family is a storyline. Kurt Angle kissing Stephanie is a storyline etc. What are you even talking about. Clown. If you don't know something about a subject, then don't contribute

"The matches have finishes instead of run in DQs every single match, its terrible!" Shut up vince

1000% this man knows the truth! I am with him all the way here.

@TimmyJamesDafunnyMan

9 ай бұрын

I wish you two a happy life together

@kelbosskii9769

9 ай бұрын

He aint wrong u mark

Did anyone notify Russo that Crash TV sucked? Ask Bart Gunn, Dr. Death, Owen Hart, and countless others how good of a concept Crash TV was.

The story really matters so hes right on that account.

@drehgonden1103

Жыл бұрын

But they have story's and storylines , they just don't have his Jerry springer level of storylines bc its inappropriate these days. Ppl dont remember the attitude era day to day. The top guys aren't who vince wrote for he wrote for the underneath and not all of it was great alot of it didn't make sense.

@sohell1992

11 ай бұрын

Go look at the storylines he creates before saying he's right.

@S0ulEaTeR1012

11 ай бұрын

@sohell1992 just because his are shit doesn't mean the sentiment is.

@drehgonden1103

11 ай бұрын

@@S0ulEaTeR1012 no I mean we can agree on the sentiment but the person saying it makes it disingenuous, because wwe does storylines they just don’t do the inappropriate ones he likes bc it would get them kicked off tv and or get the wrong negative reactions like they were getting in the early 2000s . Now a days WWE has a pretty good rep with everyone , so the idea that wwe should go back to the attitude era is silly bc it screams back in my day men were men and jazz was all the rage not any of this rock and roll nonsense.

@bhhdty2272

11 ай бұрын

@@sohell1992his stories are ofc trash but he’s still 100% correct, that’s why the bloodline draws 10x more money & viewers than any other promotion or tv show.

"Wrestling matches don't draw fans" It's a wrestling company do you hear yourself

@smithsfan425

Жыл бұрын

It’s a “sports entertainment” company, which they love emphasizing all the time.

@baseupp12

Жыл бұрын

storylines have always been the main draw of wrestling boom periods, it wasn't the matches Hogan or Rock or Austin that made them megastars it was the character work and the memorable storylines they are apart of yes wrestling does help to build a storyline but it is only one part of the whole.

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

Yes. And all the greats say the same damn thing. Wrestling has never drawn a dime. The stories and characters are what hook people.

@deathmauler181

Жыл бұрын

Jesus christ what he's saying is that without engaging stories nobody cares, the casual fans who aren't IWC wackos do not care

@malekat8539

Жыл бұрын

Did you call wwe a wrestling company? My brother in christ, are you 13 years old?

Thats why I like LA Knight , they brought that back with him

Facts!!!😊

He’s absolutely right I hate him but he’s right

The only person from the business itself that calls it fake lmao

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of others.

@TheKestevon

10 ай бұрын

Your king CM Punk also called it fake

@robinali6903

10 ай бұрын

I mean I agree with him. There is no character or story anymore. Now it’s just wrestling. You need all three. Which is why the attitude era is the best.

Facts I only watch when they bring back the legends

We’re all trying to find who did this

Honestly for me, matches are what drew me to wrestling. Many medias do storytelling but the wrestling aspect of wrestling is what makes it special. Wrestlers like AJ Styles and Seth Rollins got me in to wrestling because of their in ring work. Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoy the storytelling aspect of wrestling, but I think the match at the end of the day is the main attraction.

@quas3728

Жыл бұрын

The problem is fans. If you want "wrestling". why don't they choose promotions like NJPW or PWG instead of WWE? they stay in WWE and hijack the show. this is the result. are they happy now!?

@djsav688

Жыл бұрын

Damn you must be 16

@carlosr6462

Жыл бұрын

so you watch movies because of the action and explosions but not for the story? the story will always be the main attraction, 2 vanilla guys fake fighting and doing the same flips that everybody is doing do not draw casuals nor the pro wrestling fans that used to watch the product religiously 20 years ago

@TheDawracik1

Жыл бұрын

I agree dude. People are hostile towards this opinion for some reason. I guess they just don't want to admit they aren't fans of the actual wrestling 🤔

@James-616

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosr6462 Exactly what I was thinking, it’s why I have no interest in anything to do with The Elite, every single match is the same and not in a good way for me

Shut up Vince Russo. You single handedly almost ruined wrestling.

@shaqyardie8105

Жыл бұрын

He's right though, there's a reason the ratings are at an all time low.

@CommerceAudio

Жыл бұрын

@@shaqyardie8105 I agree with you, but because you did not almost ruined wrestling, and then turn around and complain about the decline. Lol

@shaqyardie8105

Жыл бұрын

@@CommerceAudio He's entitled to his opinion regardless of what you think he did or didn't do as far as contribution to wrestling go. How did Russo almost ruin wrestling? TNA was dogshit after Russo left, the show didn't automatically get better once he left.

@kevinlee9929

Жыл бұрын

​@@CommerceAudioHow did he ruin wrestling when he was the creative force behind the Attitude Era?

@CommerceAudio

Жыл бұрын

@@shaqyardie8105 kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zox-kpSAhpPMZ8o.html this is a good video or I may recommend Jim Cornett discussing it.

I definitely feel where he comin from

@zacharyradford5552

2 ай бұрын

WCW did now it doesn’t feel anything.

Exactly how i feel about wrestling. 1993-2010 i was hooked but its just not the same now.

Never forget that Vince Russo once wrote a story where Goldberg "refused to follow the script" and the announcers blatantly ON AIR said that Goldberg was supposed to go down and now they have to improvise. This man is a disgrace to wrestling and has done everything in his power to destroy it.

@plshelpmeawkdough

9 ай бұрын

That's sounds way more entertaining than 30+ minutes of flips and super kicks lmaoo

@bizmonkey007

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, Russo blatantly crapped on kayfabe and destroyed any remaining credibility of the WCW (at least what was left of it at the time). The WWE had outrageous storylines at the time but they were presented as real with respect to kayfabe.

@plshelpmeawkdough

8 ай бұрын

@@bizmonkey007 they literally had moments where they were completely out of character doing promos, Taker came out in normal clothes and a bandana 2 years before the American badass was even born

@Vicvenom2

2 ай бұрын

@@bizmonkey007 did you not watch wrestling in the 90s? You’re making it like Russo was the first person ever to break a Kayfabe . Vince McMahon did it after the steroid trial and told the athletic commissions that it was fake because he didn’t wanna pay the fees anymore . The WWF was breaking Kayfabe way before Russo ever became writer . I think you need to dust up on your history

@bizmonkey007

2 ай бұрын

@@Vicvenom2 The way Russo did it was different. For example he would have Schiavonne directly mention Kayfabe when things happened with lines like “is this a work?” or “this isn’t part of the script!”Maybe some other writer was responsible for lines like that, but to have a wrestling announcer directly reference kayfabe so blatantly is something you never really saw or heard in the WWF or even ECW from what I remember. Sure, the WWF and ECW had gritty storylines that blurred the lines of work vs shoot, but the way Russo did it was very on the nose.

Honestly... He has a point wrestling appeals to many different people for many different reasons. For me when a match hits the 20 minute mark I'm looking at my watch like can we go now

@maybelater2010

Жыл бұрын

It just means you aren't actually invested in what you're "watching", never do something just to do it, it means your time is better spent elsewhere. Ironman matches are some of the best matches and span 30-60 minutes lol.

@jackhughes7637

Жыл бұрын

​@@maybelater2010Well fuck... They should make him invested. He's clearly a wrestling fan and enjoys watching it. I'm sure he would be more willing to watch a 30 minute match if the characters involved made him feel like it's must watch.

@deathmauler181

Жыл бұрын

@@maybelater2010 it is literally their job to get people invested

@malekat8539

Жыл бұрын

​@@maybelater2010No, it just means that the match had no substance to go for that long. Iron man matches (especially the Bret hart vs Shawn Michael's match) had substance between the wrestlers.

@boutdatstrenuouslife9747

Жыл бұрын

You just have the attention span of a hamster

The matches should tell the story

He’s got a point. The characters and storylines (besides the bloodline story) today aren’t what they used to be but the actual matches are better.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

It's become a gymnastics show.

For me, this is true. I just stopped watching wrestling like maybe 7 or 8 years ago. No more really good stories or good characters.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

I stopped in the early '00s. WWF was only awesome when Russo was writing it.

@mangamango5569

10 ай бұрын

A lot of things have changed in that time. Do you check in periodically or watch clips? Or did you just quit cold turkey and don’t know what’s happening right now.

Nowadays wrestling's like watching the cruiserweight division take over

I CAN’T BELIEVE THEY’RE NOT STRUCTURING WRESTLING MATCHES TO APPEAL TO NON WRESTLING FANS! IT’S NOT THE SAME!

He's not entirely wrong. We all love the attitude era, but how often do you go back and watch an attitude era match vs. going back and watching an attitude Era segment. Most of us would agree stone cold was the highlight of his Era. But you go back to hear the glass break and to hear him cut a 'What?' promo more often than not, not to watch a match.

I think it’s 50/50. A good story line draws fans in, and a great match keeps them watching. As a kid I def tuned in every week to see the storylines I was following progress. And than watching great matches like CM Punk vs John Morrison was great.

@JamalService2000

11 ай бұрын

This is easily the smartest and most reasonable comment I’ve ever read in this thread.

If there is one man in the whole world that is not allowed to criticize modern wrestling is this guy

@nineteeneightynine432

Жыл бұрын

You're delusional everyone has a right to criticize anything they want

@ipoopedtoday5340

Жыл бұрын

That 5 min time limit match they just had on Raw felt like the old wcw tv title matches with the time limits

@letsgobrandon7297

Жыл бұрын

@souroosharaghi5894: He did have some good ideas.

@KingOfStrongStyle2088

Жыл бұрын

​@@letsgobrandon7297yeah but his bad ideas outnumber the good ones

@AznIntegra521

11 ай бұрын

@@nineteeneightynine432this guy doesn’t no a damn thing about wrestling so no he has no right to talk about it.

Why can’t we have both? Great stories and amazing matches.

This is hilarious considering how much work they've put in to the Bloodline and Cody stories, and all the little details that have been lost over the years that have come back

Thank you. Somebody said it.

He's only half right. Yes, personalities and stories draw the casual fan, but those stories are building to something. Something integral to professional wrestling. THE MATCH!! The idea that casual fans don't care about the matches is idiotic. They care about matches of consequence. You can't just throw a cold match out there and expect record gates. But you do need matches, and since you're expecting people to pay money for these matches, they should be pretty fucking good.

@Disneymagic24

Жыл бұрын

idk many of your favorite matches probably arent that great and he is saying people care more about the moves and spots in the match then the entire match itself

@Dock76

Жыл бұрын

@@Disneymagic24 You've no clue what my favourite matches are. I'm not defending the barren wasteland that's modern wrestling. I'm saying you need quality stories plus good matches. He also said wrestling matches. He didn't say moves.

@quas3728

Жыл бұрын

The Match is not the DRAW. you say "Idiotic" but you know what? this is entertainment. you blame casual fan for not liking match for what? do you think liking match makes person a smarter? Batista and Big Show were not technical wrestler. this is the problem of IWC (Internet Wrestling Community). I'm not blaming people who prefer match over story. the problem is IWC love to hijack the WWE show. why don't they stick to PWG or something who only focus on the match?

@Dock76

Жыл бұрын

@@quas3728 The match between Hogan and Andre wasn't the draw? Austin/Rock wasn't a draw? The storylines are important. I conceded that. I said the storylines are building to a match. No matter how you slice it, that's true. The fans buy the ppv to see the big featured matches. I didn't blame casual fans for anything. Try reading next time, moron.

@kevinlee9929

Жыл бұрын

Most casual fans don't care about the matches. Which is why many diehards complain about the Attitude Era not having great In Ring matches. But it did record numbers.

His smile slowly fading away while hearing him preach.... Priceless

What he's really trying to say is BRO WRESTLING ISNT ABOUT WRESTLING, BRO IT'S ABOUT THE CAUSAL FAN. IT'S A SWERVE, BRO

@shaqyardie8105

Жыл бұрын

It is about the casual fans though. Dieheard fans will watch no matter what, you want to keep the casuals watching and potentially turn them into diehards.

@yy-hj4br

Жыл бұрын

@@shaqyardie8105 I don't watch/play/read something I enjoy and go "I like it, but i don't think a casual fan would, so maybe I shouldn't." I didn't get into challenging media because i had a Russo type character dumb them down for me. Russo took it too far even if you believe him, which you shouldn't because the man overstates how much he did for the Fed, destroyed WCW and stunted TNA. Also tastes change. If Russo is right and the crash tv crap worked in the 90's it will not work with today's tastes. Russo is a fossil as much as any territories promoter, that is if you believe his hype.

@shaqyardie8105

Жыл бұрын

@@yy-hj4br I don't either, I like what I like, but he has a point. Russo storylines can be whacky at times, but they are memorable. Raw has been mostly boring and forgettable for the past 15 years. Storylines and characters are more important than some flippy spotfest.

@deathmauler181

Жыл бұрын

Tell me you have no idea how a business works if it cant grab a chunk of people who are not into it religiously and only keep the diehards the numbers go nowhere.

@yy-hj4br

Жыл бұрын

@@deathmauler181 yeah but judging something you like based purely on how a hypothetical casual fan would like it is stupid. Great, you got the casual fan. If Russo was right all along, his casual fans stopped watching and tuned out because the product was flat crash tv nonsense.

Russo has a point to a degree… The Bloodline Story proves his point With that said… we need a little bit of both. Characters & Storylines should be important.. but the matches within the storylines along with those Characters have to matter just as much

@Vft612

Жыл бұрын

Matches are way better now

@JungleCatRico

11 ай бұрын

@@Vft612 Depends on the matches and companies that do them.

@Noobie2k7

9 ай бұрын

I mean the Attitude Era when people wrestling was at its hottest almost no matches ended clean on TV. Because the matches don't matter.

@makhubelamadiba8727

7 ай бұрын

​@@Noobie2k7 that's because storytelling wise you could get away with a lot more back then, the wwe had to adapt I personally feel like people should stop comparing

It's insane 😂 how confidently & clear-mindedly he's saying that there are characters & stories today...and then we have the all-timer Bloodline saga,which has all been built & running on great represtation & presentation of the characters & excellent storyline,same with the Judgement Day & many more other such great storylines in across the promotions like WWE & AEW & other promotions!He was talking as if he'd not watched the wrestling since destroying & finishing the WCW! You can understand,by this small clip,itself,why Russo is not taken seriously by 99% of the wrestling fans!

I do understand his point on where he says if he’s not a wrestling fan he’s not watching it BUT, there’s so much more ways people wrestle now. Just just got to find the time to find it

As much as this guy polarizes the wrestling fan base, I gotta say he is 100% accurate

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

It's only the marks who don't like him. (And Corny cause Russo did his job better than him.)

@OPbdh116

9 ай бұрын

Characters and storytelling are useless if there's little to no wrestling in a wrestling business. But just wrestling without any story or characters just as useless. It's a balance. And the fact is that WWE has been as successful as it is because of the times they got it right and the proper business necessary to see it grow. That's why they've outlasted WCW and ECW, plus are leagues above TNA, ROH, and AEW. Those are the facts and that's something that Vince Russo never fully understood.

@neilsun2521

9 ай бұрын

@@OPbdh116 There's never been "little to no wrestling". The stories always serve as a build up to the matches, to give you a reason to care about the outcome. Nowadays there's there's FAR too many matches: 3 hours of Raw! Yawn...

@OPbdh116

9 ай бұрын

@@neilsun2521 "There's never been little to no wrestling"; tell that to Mr. 'Five to Eight minutes match" Russo. Also, the problem with 3 hours of Raw isn't the number of matches, it's the 3 hours of television. 3 hours or more works for PLEs (or PPVs for oldheads like me) because time is given to complete or climax rivalries and/or storylines. But there's too much gap to fill for a regular show so you get hours of filler. No one wants to watch that much filler.

@princealmighty5391

9 ай бұрын

​@@neilsun2521 the matches should also tell the story wrestling sucks now

If you're super invested in a story and characters, the wrestling doesn't have to be amazing to make it an entertaining match. If you're not invested, the match could be Incredible from a technical standpoint but it won't mean anything and will not entertain you as much as a lesser match with a great story. Vince russo did lots wrong but it doesn't mean hes wrong on this occasion.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

What did he do that was "lots wrong"? And who cares considering he did all the best bits? (Yknow, Austin & McMahon D-X;..)

@plshelpmeawkdough

9 ай бұрын

​​@@neilsun2521WCW was a miss for sure, but I cant imagine not having an ego and doing whatever I want like Russo when he literally made WWE the biggest thing it's ever been with his style of writing.

When you start the very first sentence with a catchphrase

That thing about casual fans is very very true. I used to watch wrestling matches frequently but then lost track for a while post-COVID. But the only thing that made me come back to WWE was the Bloodline storyline. And as a casual fan at that point of time, I only watched the promos and segments, which I still do to an extent when I just want to know where the story is going. If the story is interesting, you would get higher numbers, regardless of the output. Everyone knows the results are "booked", so at the end of the day the Winner is pre-determined. But the story, that's what's appealing

Been a fan since I was a baby in 85. Took a break from 2007 to 2020 and was blown away by the athleticism, especially women's. Got sucked back into it and love what's going on. It's too bad he feels like this because what's going on is pretty great. I think guys like him and Corny are just upset the art has moved on without them.

@Geojr815

11 ай бұрын

Dude wrestling today is just a corny PC family show. It used to be real and wild like Jackass or Howard Stern or Jerry Springer. I don’t care about the athleticism and def not womens wrestling. Not unless it’s a bra and panties match

@drdeesnutts48

9 ай бұрын

He didn't really do character though, just stunts. It was always the same bullshit with him, match ends in 5 minutes then run in, then run in, then run in you could set your clock to it. @@robinali6903

@crowjones78

9 ай бұрын

Less people than ever watch wrestling so maybe it’s the product

@plshelpmeawkdough

9 ай бұрын

Literally nobody watches anymore, so if moved on means the business died then yeah you're right

Wrestling evolves, old has beens can't see that. Just because you liked a certain Era doesn't make this era bad. I disagree about his casual fan take because as a kid watching wrestling I didn't care too much for the talking and wanted to see them wrestle

Imagine watching wrestling for wrestling. What a concept.

You are the reason it isn’t the same Mr. Booking matches while watching Jerry Springer in the background for inspiration.

If Russo doesn’t like wrestling, then that means it’s being done right.

@VeinySausage

11 ай бұрын

Clearly not cause it’s damn near unwatchable today lol and the numbers show it

@Shockkings0714

11 ай бұрын

@@VeinySausageNumbers show they’re making money

@ronantimehd5790

11 ай бұрын

@@VeinySausagebro, now is the worst time to mention the numbers as a factor to why wrestling is “dying” 😂

@Joker-no1fz

11 ай бұрын

@@Shockkings0714 off selling seats and merch mostly. not off watching shows at home.

@Shockkings0714

11 ай бұрын

No one watches tv anymore. This goes for all sports, sports ent, and tv shows. Look at the ratings for everything. Nielsen ratings are an archaic form of measurement of the popularity about wrestling. Look at the social media views, ppv gates, and attendance records. @@Joker-no1fz

I feel what he’s saying. The characters are more important than the matches in my opinion. That’s why we still have a louder reaction when we see legends. Today we doesn’t have big stars and this is destroying wrestling

Hes right, I used to tune in every week , i haven't watched wwe in 2 years 😢

This is definitely hot take but Vince Russo is right. Wrestling is not same because I.W.C. invaded the show and took over the crowd. in 2000s, there are a lot of family fans cheered loud to superstars like Cena and HBK. now, there are only grown I.W.C. who cheer loud to guys like Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. what's the difference between current WWE and ROH / TNA in 00s?

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

Russo usually is right. He wrote the best period in wrestling history with WWF from 97-99.

@JungleCatRico

11 ай бұрын

ROH and TNA in the 2000s were better. Both had stacked rosters.

Bloodline: hahaha Roman: you must some kind of a dumbass Jimmy: yeah uce Roman:wtf Jimmy: oh sh- hey jey where you at

@user-nr3ey3do5i

Жыл бұрын

Bloodline are overrated af the judgment day are way more superior

@TRAWO

Жыл бұрын

@@user-nr3ey3do5i😂😂😂 ok

@silentpilot833

Жыл бұрын

Here we go 💀

@mrhayes538

Жыл бұрын

❤😂😂😂 yes sir

I will agree they don't focus on the story as well. The bloodline is a great example of them finally going back to it and getting it right.

I can watch a random match from New Japan where I don't understand the commentary and don't know the story or characters and still be entertained

I miss the attitude era.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

97-99 when Russo was writing Raw will never be equalled, for sheer entertainment. Today's stuff is bland as hell.

@JackTheripper911

Ай бұрын

​@nellsun2521 lol thats why when he joined WCW they went out of business in 3 years 😂😂

He’s 10000% right. I have Peacock and have been watching episodes from 2002 and I must say there is a MAJOR difference in star power. The entire roster felt like stars now we just see Indy favorites and have to treat them like legit competition because the Indy fans are the only wrestling fans really left. Their Indy darlings like CM Punk can’t draw in viewership he only attracts the same viewers. That is why Vince and HHH didn’t think much of him. He was a darling to the Indy fans sure but he can’t pull in the big numbers and outselling Cena in merch one year doesn’t make him a superstar or credible whatsoever yet people pretend like these things matter. There is not longevity in CM Punk or any of these Indy guys. At least not in WWE spaces they are much better suited for the Independents and there’s nothing wrong with that…

@theboombody

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, but even John Cena has to have a good match in the ring every now and then. Wrestling has to have matches in order to be wrestling.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

Yup. I stopped watching early '00. It was already losing its edge after the peak of the attitude era.

back in the days they had story lines like the bloodline and tribal etc goin on for mid cards, we had rivalries for every match from tag team rivalries to the main event ones to the mid IC US titles ones, and some personal ones, just diva section was a -ve back then, but still entertaining.

Thank goodness for Vince Russo, Jim cornette and Eric Bishoff! Tribalism is sick! & Neve at any point did Fans cheer for a rich fan who has did poorly.. if he did well. There would be casuals & zero tribalism

So he’s saying that he doesn’t like pro wrestling anymore… because there’s too much pro wrestling? I just think he never liked it at this point

@Kawlayoejs

Жыл бұрын

I don't agree with Vince Russo one bit, but pro wrestling is much more than the matches itself

@danielsims916

Жыл бұрын

@@Kawlayoejsit’s more than just pro wrestling but the problem is Russo never liked pro wrestling, he was a television writer. He was more interested in characters and personalities than the in ring action. Since he wasn’t a promoter he never fully understood how it worked. Had it been up to him , in a 2 hour show , it would be 20 minutes of total wrestling and the rest of the show is talking and doing skits like a Broadway show

@deadmanwalking5741

Жыл бұрын

@@danielsims916 yeah it should be a perfect balance between both storylines and matches

@thesegafan4472

Жыл бұрын

Yet when it was less about wrestling they were getting 7s and 6s

@danielsims916

Жыл бұрын

@@thesegafan4472 times were different, it was more about the individual stars than the brand

He wants a spectacle, not a match. Wrestling fans want to see technical wrestling and good stories.

@danielburger1775

Жыл бұрын

And WWE has neither today.

@sbj97

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielburger1775Facts

@soydegoat

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielburger1775still solos aew

@carlosr6462

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielburger1775neither AEW, collision is the only show they are doing the right way and it's actually watchable but dynamite is a car wreck of a program

@baseupp12

Жыл бұрын

You want to see that, majority of fans in the Attitude Era wanted to see storylines and shocking moments more than just technical wrestling.

Russo with a good point actually.

Classic tale of an old person saying ... Back in my day

He’s not wrong….

The man has done and said a lot of stupid things but this is completely accurate

@MiketheNerdRanger

Жыл бұрын

Where he is NOT accurate is saying that all of that is gone. If he's watching wrestling, then there's no way he doesn't see the stories.

@sLaMz1o1

Жыл бұрын

@@MiketheNerdRanger idk bout you but pretty much the only two even remotely interesting stories in wrestling are bloodline and mjf Cole

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

He's always accurate.

@sLaMz1o1

11 ай бұрын

@@neilsun2521 what are you talking about, he has caused so much destruction and bad things for pro wrestling

This is 100% accurate - I have about 11 close friends from when we were in college.. I'm the last one to Still be watching Aew and WWE. Ironically we All had Monday night about 6 hours a week ( wcw had replay) Or we recorded raw( we never ever ever felt that we NEEDED to choose a wrestling Flag! Impact wrestling started with the match lengths.. Dixie Carter would call out Vince McMahon trying to get Over by doing so. We as young kids NEVER said let's watch college wrestling....ever! But those of us who like baseball, football, Basketball. We Will watch college. The late 70s & 8os what captivated most fans was drama.. if there's no drama for stunts it has no value!!! When Cody v Brock had no story it Took away from The final product.. As we would watch.. we have no idea 💡 what the sequence of moves are at bash at the beach ⛱️..but we remember Scott Hall and Kevin Knash and hulk Hogan forming the nwo.. nobody wanted to see Hulk Hogan v Ricky Steamboat. But Hogan v mach0 was the Big story. Anyway we watched Both and when Aew was starting they had Cody as a great wing man and pr Guy for TONY Kahn, signed Bryan, Adam Cole and CM PUNK. He brought in Shaq and introduced US to Jade Cargill.. They were All pumped.. But once Cody left.. Bryan Danielson did ok Adam Cole injured & PUNK wound up being fired.. All but me was Left ( They stay somewhat interested in WWE and now it got so Bad hearing These guys trash Aew and I couldn't understand why.. Until about 2 weeks ago.. They All told me at least DIXIE went through a table! LOL 😅.. I was not feeling well And stopped at you Tube.. almost every podcast who had covered wrestling.. if they talk WWE, Impact Wrestling.. or even UFC ( And UFC is real but Dana White is mostly known when you say UFC.. usually wrestling promotion do not focus on the owners especially if they look soft. And Dana White makes sense bc it's Hard to have one face. However besides Vince McMahon. AND he was a character in the stories and it's a mixed bag of stories with every promotion. Having to see Over 50 vids and it completely gives wrestling a really bad look when they're known for CM Punk firing Punk, not thinking with attendance & making similar mistakes and rifts with sloppy shop decisions and injuries and potential signings.. I absolutely understand what 11 w/5 just casually watch & none stuck with Aew.. Luchaunderground, Black and Gold.. Those shows gave multiple stories.. Aew is Tony Khan & I stopped watching 2 weeks ago & there's now some creativity going on very little.. But with 5hours a week and I'll give it 5 months let's see if it's lightening in a bottle with edge, Sammy Cal, Mercedes Monet and The Man in the mask.. with MJF Adam Cole and Tony storm doing well!! RIGHT now.. impact has good things cooking 🍳.. but I'll see These 5 fresh stories. As I did with ( Cody, Bryan, Cole, punk Shaq and Jade cargil.. it went no where.. back to TONY KAHN in every single News item with Aew News.. if it's not his face it's his answers and protection of what he does.. so after wrestle dream let's hope it can attract.. Vince Russo is mostly correct with WWE and totally correct with Aew.. Fans want to be entertained!!!

He’s speakin the truth there’s literally no gimmicks in wrestling anymore

I agree everything did change we need story and characters

@drehgonden1103

Жыл бұрын

Except they do have story's and characters they just aren't attitude era bc they can't the attitude era was wild and trashy problematic and inappropriate. Wwe made money but they also made ALOT of enemies. Sometimes u have to grow up and say Okey it's not my time. But to say they aren't making story's or have characters isn't true. In alot of was wwe today has better written characters than when Russo was writing. Everything in the attitude era was on the nose . Now things are more indept one character tends to lead to another and have call backs to the past. He hates cody especially bc cody is austin or rock no shit if cody did Try he would accuse him of being a pale imitation. They have who works for the ppl of today. This mf is old telling young ppl that what they like or who they like shouldn't work. It's working tho.

@nukaorange2985

Жыл бұрын

I feel it I grew up in that Era i pay attention to character like la knight top dolla and all of that but for moments the product of their story wasnt hitting right some of story were predictable a story doesn't matter if trashy or messy and shit it about how grow to the story like cody is he tell story so as Roman you pay attention cause you want to know were it going were it leaning towards and how it ends idc what Russo like and dislike I like story with character develope while evolving into the character that we proud to have and see great examples miz triple h undertaker Kane r truth wade Dolph I can go more

@VeinySausage

11 ай бұрын

@@drehgonden1103why does WWE enemies matter to you? Wtf you don’t work for the company you mark….as a fan you’re supposed to watch the product and it ends there nothing else

@drehgonden1103

11 ай бұрын

@@VeinySausage ur the one being a fucking mark, I’m referring to the political or social networks that were going against them. Lastly don’t tell me what I can or can’t think about I can appreciate the entertainment as well as analyze the business instead of frowning my face and saying things aren’t like what they used to be.

This clip alone can give jim cornette a 5 hour long video

@VeinySausage

11 ай бұрын

Cornette is a cuck who raped the boys lol

@LoganHunter82

9 ай бұрын

Lol!

The Colorado shirt 😂

Marks pissed because Russo spits facts

Russo changed the fundamentals of the game, that's definitely not his issue

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

Nope. Wrestling used to always be about characters and stories. Even the WWWF. People pay to see larger than life stars.

@facejobby

Жыл бұрын

@@yourfavoriteentertainment Indeed. But Russo's wrestling was incomparable with Sammartino selling out MSG in the 60s. He brought Jerry Springer to the WWF, which was not something that existed before the late 90s.

@polkaputo3226

Жыл бұрын

no he didn’t, he just stole ideas from ecw.

How Russo survived having brain damage all these years is beyond me

I’m a fan but this guy is 100 percent correct

I never thought I would hear somebody say “back in the day it was all about the story not the fake wrestling.” When older people back then said “back in the day it was about the wrestling! Not a fake story.” 😂😂😂 we will forever go in these circles!

Russo has been on fire lately. He's 100% correct

I hate to say I agree with Russo, but... He's right. The fights are predetermined. The characters, the people talking to you through the TV are real. That's what's most important.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

Why would you hate to agree with the guy who drew the biggest audience?" for Raw!? (It was actually cool when Russo wrote it.)

@jackhughes7637

2 ай бұрын

​@@neilsun2521 Russo takes a lot of credit for an era that had minimal amounts to do with him. Look at WCW under Russo.

@neilsun2521

2 ай бұрын

@@jackhughes7637 Russo created D-X, wrote all their jokes. He also wrote all the classic Austin Vs McMahon stuff which ended the '83 weeks'. (Look at WWF before and after Russo was writing the show. Before Russo (new gen) it sucked badly! And after Russo, it sucked again.

absolutely 100٪؜ right 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

He’s right. The fundamentals of a viagra on a poll match!!

@brandonyouth5241

9 ай бұрын

Exactly! He of all people actually knows what draws the crowd. Who could've forgot The Last Rites match 16 years ago. Critically acclaimed match.

He’s right.

He’s right, it’s been far too long since I’ve seen something on a pole

Mid 90s to early 2000s was the best. Prove me wrong.

This interview proved how right Jim Cornette has been about Russo all these years lmao

@stashallemagne4488

11 ай бұрын

Jim Cornette and Vince Russo two more wrestling nerds lingering on the internet xD

@JackTheripper911

Ай бұрын

​@@stashallemagne4488as a posed to all the other wrestling nerds online? The same nerds that cry over everything now? Lol.

For F**** sake someone get Cornette on the horn

@yourfavoriteentertainment

Жыл бұрын

Why? Russo and Cornette actually agree on a lot if you listen to both of them talk about today's wrestling.

@Hillthugsta

Жыл бұрын

Its funny that whenever those two was on the same show at the same time, the show was at its greatest. They compleate each other.

@VeinySausage

11 ай бұрын

Nobody wants to hear that old geezer and his fat cohost lol

You’re definitely right Russo agree 100% but I’m still watching wrestling because I love it especially my attitude Era!!thanks to you n vince n jim

Facts …it’s not same at all not even close and I miss the days when wwe had competition from wcw such great matches and wrestling characters

He ruined a wrestling company by trying to appeal to casuals and turned off the core, you always take care of the core

@JamalService2000

11 ай бұрын

I’d argue with you but...ahh you’re not wrong...

@stashallemagne4488

11 ай бұрын

vince russo in wcw that gives you cake and thats nice but then decides to take away the cake after one bite. of course there are other factors like THESE PYTHONS.

@neilsun2521

11 ай бұрын

He helped WWF beat WCW in the Monday Night Wars. His attitude era from 97-99 really did 'ruin' WCW. Sorry for your loss, bro.

@VazmanianDeviI

9 ай бұрын

listen I know it feels good to get what you want in wrestling, but that’s not what makes wrestling good. everyone gets mad when a specific result doesn’t happen, and when it does happen. then the fans that wanted it to happen. complain that it wasn’t good enough. If I’m a wrestling promoter I’m ignoring y’all, cuz it’s good to give to your fans it shouldn’t be the norm. the fans are fickle and don’t even know what they actually want most of the time. you should want them to appeal to the casuals. that’s the way they can grow is to appeal to as many audiences as possible. so no you don’t always take care of your hardcore fanbase. too much fan service is not good. It really affects your product. look at AEW. they have been declining in the ratings. Instead of branching out and doing something different. they’re still trying to appeal to the same group. that will tune in every week regardless. they’re not growing. they’re declining. they’re most likely losing lots of money by just appealing to you only.

The clean cut, overly processed, presentation, the lack of individuality in the sets, the lack of interesting and/or over the top characters, the lack of storylines; romantic, serious, funny, outrageous. It simply isn't the same. He is 100% right. I remember a time when a one night storyline saw Eddie Guerrero giving Big Show Laxatives in a burrito, and he almost pooped himself during a match. It was so funny, I still haven't forgotten it. As ridiculous as that story is, and despite the fact that it lasted only one night and one match, Wrestling needs these things. And it no longer has them. Wrestling has become a hospital waiting room. When it used to be a Night Club.