That's gotta be one of the most unusual sights I've seen on UK rails. 2 buffered HST power car sets hauling freight and other passenger trains sets. Very peculiar!

It's mad to see HSTs doing this type of work but it keeps them going which is a good thing! Superb video by the way!

@fdhdd102

10 ай бұрын

not as mad as sending them to mexico for passenger routes!

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

It’s all gone HST mad..! I’m not bothered as long as they stay away from the gas torch. 🙏👍

@Loonie_0

10 ай бұрын

yeah we cant let them be scrapped! the HST have a very uniqe history to them!@@trainsplanes

Slightly surreal to see HST power cars being used as, essentially, freight locomotives.

@markcf83

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. It's very odd.......

@ChineseTrainGuy

10 ай бұрын

I mean, it looks alright for a freight train (except if it runs on its own it would look a bit weird)

@REDARROW_A_Personal

10 ай бұрын

Reminds me of a streamlined Russian M62 or TE-10...

@stanley3647

10 ай бұрын

+ Fast + Powerfull + No need OHLE + Reliable (proven!) - Need to work in pairs due to lack of cab ;)

@JJthrashing

10 ай бұрын

Still can’t get my head around 43 being used as rail movement locomotives.. surely can’t be fuel efficient if there doubled up each end ? The power must be enormous 🫨

This is like something I would have created in Trainz many years ago 3:14

It’s great to see old hst’s not being scrapped and given a new purpose as freight trains Love to see the class 91’s used the same way

@wharris302

10 ай бұрын

ecs is not freight

@bfapple

10 ай бұрын

Class 91s are not ideal freight locomotives. Especially as DBC has their Class 90s “for sale”.

I could imagine an unknowing trainspotter's first reaction to 2:19: The first HST power car rounds the bend, and you get excited, a HST! In a livery you've never seen before, what luck! Then the second power car rounds the bend, and something inside you breaks, "wha, what is this? are they towing a broken power car?" Then the first flat-car rounds the bend "WHAT?" And the second, "Oh I guess they're hauling freight trains now, I guess that makes sense." Then the first passenger car enters, and your mind shatters "buh wha" By the second unit and you get an idea: "Are they running Motorail HSTs? Best day ever." And as the rest of the train pass, you eventually realise, that none of that was true, that it was just an EMU transfer, you feel the excitement fade as the last pair of HST power cars pass you by, and you wonder what you were so excited about. The end.

Great video 👍🏻 I didn't realise Royal Mail still used trains. I haven't seen a mail train since I was a kid at the start of the 2000s

Great vid. Also slightly surreal to see so much overhead lines and so few electric trains

@avalon7902

10 ай бұрын

Red diesel is cheaper than Carbon Neutral generated electricity.

@joj.

10 ай бұрын

Welcome to the UK

@glennzone12

10 ай бұрын

Most of these diesel trains have some of their journey on non-electrified track.

@SportyMabamba

10 ай бұрын

Govt cowardice not electrifying the entire network, so the use case for electric traction suffers and the charge-out rate is higher as a result

Fantastic stuff and I love seeing the RailAdventure HSTs

The Rail Adventure HST power cars can be seen at the Severn Valley Railway occasionally as they are using the diesel motive power depot to repair and service them. Also the weight test train you see in this video also can occasionally be seen.

@bfapple

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, I was wondering where the power cars are based!

Fantastic catch there with the Rail Adventure lash up. Well done and thanks for sharing this video. Best regards, Colin.

The last time I saw HSTs haul freight wagons was on my model train set when I was still at primary school 🙂 Fascinating to see it become real all these years later.

Great video, really interesting to!

very good presentation, thank you

What a great selection of trains... if this is where you live then consider yourself blessed!

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Close by - Definitely a great spot.! 👍

Great videos and excellent camera work. Thanks 😎👍

Awesome

I should imagine there are several reasons they use class 43s. Cheap to buy as effectively the main option was going for scrap. Lower route availability index of 5 compared to freight locomotives. This means they are less restricted on the routes they can use, plus should impact on their track access costs. Running light as just a 2×cl43 pair, one engine can be shut down to save on fuel. The train is top & tailed as the train has to reverse twice to access Kirkdale depot. It takes the line to Liverpool docks, joins Merseyrail's Northern Line at Bootle Junction (between Bank Hall and Bootle Oriel Road stations) on the Southport line. At Bootle Oriel Road the train reverses, passes Bank Hall to Sandhills station. At Sandhills the train reverses again to take the line heading towards Kirkby / Ormskirk for Kirkdale depot. Last time I saw it at Sandhills it was a Sunday afternoon move squeezed inbetween passenger services. It was a 2 × class 20 plus 2 × class 43 combination. Even on a Sunday six trains an hour call at Sandhills heading for Liverpool, so it had to be a slick move. The 777s are unbraked and run through piped sandwiched between braked vehicles and locomotives. The wagons being ballasted with concrete slabs to provide adequate brake force. This train will be split, hence the 777s being split between the wagons. It stopped at Walton Old Junction sidings, Warrington. The train is due at Kirkdale at 00.43 on Thursday morning, departing Walton sidings at 23.09 , running as 6Q78.

@Ash-928

10 ай бұрын

The MAIN reason is, they look cool!

Awsome catch,nice one 😊

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! 👍

Great video 👍

Nice to see a postal from the new Daventry terminal

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Agreed there 👍

This is a great trainspotting location 👍. Lots of variety and interesting trains, haven't seen a royal mail train for years!

Awesome Mate Great Video 📹 👍

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍

3.42 - get the impression it was one of tthose "let's see if we can get away with justifying 4 x 43's when a 56 would suffice" moments. 10/10 for bravery.

Cant wait to see the 57's later today!

I saw the 4 and converter wagons parked up at Rugby as I was on route to Euston. Must have some grunt!

Those class 43's joined up like that reminds me of the class 89 minus the electrical equipment on the roof!

Cool those ferrywagons could end up getting to where there going very quick.

At least I now know what I saw going southbound through Rugby few months ago. Grey class 43. Got my platforms back to front so was well past me by time I woke up to my mistake.

Nice video great camera work as usual as always I am really enjoying your lovely videos and camera work keep your lovely camera work up bye for now Philip

Those HST look familiar.. THE OLD EMR ones with buffers on they had those wow

@markcf83

10 ай бұрын

Aren't some of these ex Grand Central too?

i guess thats one way to move new class 777

i see myself in this video

I think I saw this set up go along, was on the Canal at Milford ( Staffordshire) and was the strangest thing ever!

I have a photo, somewhere(!) of a HST with buffers at Bristol Parkway. That long ago it was in Virgin colours and on my first digital camera!

British and built to last!

@steveluckhurst2350

10 ай бұрын

Really? Are you serious?

Nice shots! Love those Hst's!! I wish they would save all the Hst's and use them to haul other things!

@bentullett6068

10 ай бұрын

Some of the HST's are moving abroad to Mexico. They have a new line being opened that requires high speed trains and to save money they are buying some of the HST power cars. I wonder if some will head to Australia as well as they to run HST's on the high speed services?

@noaerrr

10 ай бұрын

@@bentullett6068they already basically had hsts and have been getting rid of them recently

Nobody: younger me playing with toy trains: 2:19

Rugeley TV always been a great spot with it's long fast straight at the northern end and curves at the southern end, with a wide open view from platforms. Was buzzing with coal MGR workings at one time but still loads of WCML varieties.

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Always a great view there and some speed to match 👌👍

The HST lash up is so chaotic

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Definitely interesting! 👌👍

Kereta yang sangat bagus, sepertinya jalur sibuk semoga di negara saya punya kereta seperti ini 👍

Wow! 26 car train formation! Man, that sure must took a lot of power to move the 777s (which I really don’t like)

@mitchellhurd9300

10 ай бұрын

9,000hp for the HST's as each of the power cars are 2,250hp 😎!

@brendanhart5838

10 ай бұрын

@@mitchellhurd9300 4500 hp as only the lead two are under power. There are only fitted with multiple working connections at the van end and there are no connections through the train anyway.

ICE 3Neo rides between Köln Messe/Deutz and Frankfurt a M.

HST power cars on freight duties, some exported to Mexico, whatever next, converted to electric and back to passenger duties?

@davyfella

10 ай бұрын

We want some in Australia to add ton the XPT units being used on routes between Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

@leonkernan

10 ай бұрын

Wait wha..... Mexico??

I wondered why I heard the rail adventure 125s

Enjoy the videos but how do you know where the trains come from and where there going to

57009 was actually 47079 George Jackson Churchward.

Would like to know how the numbers stack up recommissioning those HST's...clearly they do..

Were the rear HST power cars actually being driven from the front pair or were they just idling and there to provide rear protection for the train?

@jonathanj8303

10 ай бұрын

They almost certainly weren't powered, but the most likely reason for them being there is to make some planned reversal easier - the driver just shuts down the ones at the 'front', sets them up to be trailing units with tail lights etc, walks to the other end, does their brake checks etc and they're basically ready to set off going the other way. A lot quicker than running round, and can be done anywhere, no pointwork needed. The other thing they do is provide extra brakeforce - I wouldn't be surprised if the 777's were being dragged with their brakes isolated - but I'm not sure if locos in tow are allowed to be included in the brake force calculation.

@bryanduncan6178

10 ай бұрын

No they were not. Its impossible for them to be powered as they require a '36 way' jumper cable to be able to talk to each other - there is no connection on the front of a power car to allow this, nor are there any cables long enough! As stated, the rear power cars are there to allow for reversal plus they have a compressor to maintain air through the train (something power cars are bad at).

@bluechang08

10 ай бұрын

@@jonathanj8303 @3:02 and again @3:11-3:15 timestamps there appears to be a pipe running through the cab window of the first cl777 and then the same going into the windows of the second and third - could they be connecting into the braking system of the cl777 somewhere internally or is this just a vacuum pipe running though each of the units to link up with the barrier wagons inbetween and behind the cl777's?

@jonathanj8303

10 ай бұрын

​@bluechang08 I'm sure they're brake related, but I don't know which they do. My guess would be that the 777's are isolated and those pipes are part of a bypass and there's a (loose) pipe running down the length of the floor inside the 777's - from what I've see on other videos, there seems to a similar pipe through the cab window at both ends of each unit, which makes sense. All this stock is air braked by the way, though the 777's are presumably electro-pneumatic.

@bluechang08

10 ай бұрын

@@jonathanj8303 Thanks for clearing that up. My son and I have been looking at clips of the new cl777's on here a few times in the past (due to them being the new trains for our local services) and noticed the pipes running into the cab area and wasn't sure what it was for.

The class 43 showing the class 56 what it could have been if it'd stopped playing around with coal trains, and put it a bit more effort into going faster.

where did you film i was with a group at crewe

3:31 I counted it all my self 24 cars on the mega power cars

Haha, 2:52 very odd looking but perhaps practical on the day?

Wow can you imagine if there was no TPMS active and driver decided to give the HST's full beans...? Years ago I think it was at Derby I saw a HST solo car being used as a shunter and I have always wondered what sort of speed two end to end power cars could achieve unbridled full welly.

@SportyMabamba

10 ай бұрын

Push a few MCBs to cut out the over-voltage protection then drop it into notch 8 😎

1:04 sounds like a irish rail class 201

@g8ymw

10 ай бұрын

Same engine. EMD V12, 710, 2 stroke. Ireland got them first

where do you go to see fright trains?

777019 not 017. 017 was transferred Wembley to Walton on August 2nd as 6Q77 and has been at Southport since August 4th

5:36 The 325 has gotten LED lights, I wonder why the 465s didn't.

I'm going to England next week, where can I see this HST freight train?

@bentullett6068

10 ай бұрын

It's actually a weight test train. Rail Adventure run special rail tours but to test the locomotives they run a freight train which gives the same weight as a rake of MK3 coaches. The HST power cars can sometimes be seen stored or in for repair at the Severn Valley Railway in Worcestershire.

How do I recognise one of these HSTs on realtimetrains, and can i see them in london

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

If you use Real Time Trains - The locos are based at Kings Norton OT Plant and run under TOC ‘SO’. If you search for moves based on those 2 criteria - It will show you what moves are planned.

@Ron_TTE

10 ай бұрын

@@trainsplanes alright! What station should I select, kings Norton isn’t showing anything

Why do the freights seem to go through the platform lines when there are two middle lines to use?

@matteomaximum

10 ай бұрын

Because they're too slow for the middle lines.

@markcf83

10 ай бұрын

I highly doubt Avanti would want their Inter City services held up on the main line......

@ThermoMan

10 ай бұрын

From a capacity perspective the freights mix much better with the stopping passenger trains than with the 125mph passenger trains on the fast lines

@AndreiTupolev

10 ай бұрын

The middle lines are for fast trains at up to 125 mph. Freights which are normally 75 mph max use the outer ones

Wow! Will that be running again today by any chance?

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

It won’t unfortunately - The next Class 777 delivery through the channel tunnel will likely be in the next few weeks 👍

Why do they have barrier wagons between the loco and the new stock?

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

They provide braking force for the consist 👍

I see comments on here saying it's weird seeing HST's hauling freight....no weirder than old EMD F units doing the same thing over here in the states. Besides, if they're still useful pulling freight, then why not? Better than cutting them up or storing them away to rot.

Those Class 43's aren't going to get much chance to use their 125 mph capability.

What is the purpose of the wagons between the multiple units and HST's ? And why those wagons?

@oliver.42

10 ай бұрын

They are wagons that have different couplings in each end so a loco can drag a multiple unit

@clangerbasher

10 ай бұрын

@@oliver.42 Thanks Oliver. Of course yes. Railways are only passing interest. Something aren't always obvious to me. I did notice the long bar coupling at the end of the consist.

@AndreiTupolev

10 ай бұрын

The units' brakes aren't compatible with loco haulage (which the HSTs are serving as here), so the wagons are there to provide braking force

@clangerbasher

10 ай бұрын

@@AndreiTupolev Thank you!!!

Were exclamation marks on BOGOF this week? 😊

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Hi Steve, Hope you’re well - Can’t beat a few !!!!’s 😜👍

@steveluckhurst2350

10 ай бұрын

@@trainsplanes 😊

When

they're like ghosts :-(

2x 2000HP diesel loco pulling 4x passanger coach on fully electrified trackline. The britcuck way of hypocrisy.

Shame that HST power cars have become unacceptable to the Unions; they seem to be an extremely flexible source of power for multiple supplications when.used in pairs.

@Mark1024MAK

10 ай бұрын

Do what? Where’s your source for this comment?

Odd

SO WHERES THE LONG HST THEN ??

@trainsplanes

10 ай бұрын

Watch for 3-4 mins and you see it.. 👍

they don't look right with buffers.

Pointless just use any class of locos, not a HST.

I was always under the impression that having two pantographs on the same train could cause issues with the overead line setting up a ripple type wave from the front, I assume this issue is not a problem any longer

I'm far from an expert on these things; can anyone explain why the HST/ 777 train requires so many barrier vehicles?

Shame to see them doing this but at least they’re not getting scrapped.