EUC is the right way (and wrong way) to go!

@big_petebear8535

2 жыл бұрын

Punny!

@nsblite1

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there ;)

@MrMikekenney120

2 жыл бұрын

You are a natural, with cat like reflexes. I haven't seen many fat uncoordinated old guy's (such as my self) on the EUC's. They look difficult !

@big_petebear8535

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMikekenney120 I think the hardest part about EUC's isn't the balancing (despite appearing so) I think by far the hardest part is to have the slef restraint to never push the EUC too hard. Never leaning too far during takeoff. Never going too fast for conditions. It feels like flying and if you forgot about your weight you will go flying.

@thewinter_

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMikekenney120 No offense to Adam, but he is not a "natural". No one is. No one can step on an EUC and immediately get going if they've never done it before. It's a skill that you can learn and perfect, and one that anyone can do. Now, if you weigh more, you won't have as far of a range as a lighter person, but that's about the only limitation, as long as you're under the wheel's advertised weight limit. I started out overweight and uncoordinated, now I ride mountain bike trails on my EUC. I promise you can learn to do it, anyone can.

I'm 59 and have been an e-scooter rider for the past few years...now I'm seriously considering making the switch to EUC. They look like a lot more fun and have a higher cool factor. I have my eye on the S-18 or 16X. Update: I now own the V8F as my first wheel and learning is going better than I anticipated. Honestly, I think I 'm going to have to upgrade next year; not really for more speed, but definitely more range. Update 2: Yup, there is no way I will ever go back to a scooter. As stated here in the vid, there is a zen mentality connected to an EUC that is impossible to break once it has be acquired. Granted, I never wiped out on a scooter and I have had a few good spills on the wheel that left me a little rattled.....still....I ride on; well, til recently. Now my wheel is broken and I'm trying to repair it. The V8F is not built for crashes or off-roading.

@mike_t_007

2 жыл бұрын

In the same boat now! Looking to upgrade from my Hiboy scooter to my first EUC

@Volfas

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely would have went a lil bit higher end

@jashton8710

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volfas I don't have unlimited funds at my disposal, it was the best I could do at the time.

@greenwave819

2 жыл бұрын

@@jashton8710 I personally think you made a solid choice for a first EUC, and as the scene changes pretty fast these days, there is nothing wrong with saving up for the next wheel. Cool to hear that you're loving the switch.

@greenwave819

2 жыл бұрын

@@mike_t_007 EUC is truly unlike anything else, as J said very well. I'd recommend V12 or anything less powerful, for starting off. I think the vast majority of people wreck their 1st euc quit a few times lol

It all depends. I have 2 scooters, 3 euc. In a perfect world, it's all euc. I can throw all in my truck, and get going. In real life, some people want to ride with us, but can't ride euc. So I grab a scooter for them. It's less tiring, more accepted. The power scooter is comfy and exhilarating! Also more maintenance... Euc is less fuss, more tiring, but more satisfying overall. I love both, but the EUCs get the brunt of the work in my place🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@4406bbldb

2 жыл бұрын

All the groceries bags I can pick up I can carry and stuff like that, I want to upgrade my V8f to a V11.

Loved the "aaaaaaaah" test on the cobblestone road! Very scientific, indeed!

1:48 I spotted myself this time. I'm the guy walking on the right! 😄

EUC. Owned both and it’s primarily about what to do once at my destination. The EUC has a smaller footprint and rolls compact like luggage. It’s allowed in places where bulky e-scooters aren’t.

@-whackd

2 жыл бұрын

Like where? As long as you can take them on the bus, train, inside a restaurant or cafe then they're pretty much equal. I have an electric longboard and I can take it anywhere easily, but it's unusable anywhere you need suspension or big tires.

Great work! I too am a HUGE fan of EUCs. I still love scooters, but if I need to get from point A to B just for the utility, its an EUC for me every time. You both did a great job, good editing!

@yanassi

10 ай бұрын

“…just for the utility”? When you ride to commute, how much gear do you wear? Small helmet/wrist guards only or more gear like full face helmet, knee shin guards, armored jacket/shirt for shoulder/elbow/back protection? I love the distance and smaller size the euc has.

As the resident psycho, i took my v10F on a rocky mtb trail in the first 2 weeks. Made me a better rider, on the road, having to fight bumps and instability the entire time trains your reflexes and muslces faster than street practice. *** DO NOT ATTEMPT IF YOUR NOT GOOD AT FALLING SAFELY***

Hello from Los Angeles. This was the most comprehensive comparison between e-scooters and EUCs I’ve ever seen 👏 Both of you had very informative viewpoints.

For EUC if any component on the motherboard malfunction most likely you will crash, so is battery, motor, gyroscope, there is no brakes, and only one contact point, and lot tougher to balance. For scooter, if electronic or motor failure, you just hit either front or back manual brake to stop. Not even close on margin of safety, but EUC is just more fun.

@tiberiumihairezus417

2 жыл бұрын

You have a point, but try riding over a medium hole with both vehicles, with the electric scooter you will probably get your front tire stuck in it, the whole thing turn 90 degrees forward and the rider will land on its teeth. With the EUC's much bigger tire and torque, you will barely notice it.

@jimj2683

2 жыл бұрын

The safest option is something like a Podbike Frikar.

@thermodynamics1110

Жыл бұрын

look at all the butt hurt replying

This video is very informative and helpful. I really enjoy both of your videos and it was great that you teamed up on this video. Your civil and kind banter and conversation was really refreshing. Thanks for making these types of videos!

I viewed this video when it came out, and when I view it again today, it’s still relevant. Real nice job with this, Kate and Andrew!! Ride on!!

Awesome video! Great job guys. I'm a scooter rider right now, but I really want to try an EUC in the future exactly because of the "absolutely different feeling, when you ride it"

I love the video! This should be part of the DVD set

Very rarely would I watch a YT video that’s an hour long, but I’m very glad I did with this one. Great content. Thanks to you both!

The difference in efficiency leading to longer range between the two is likely due to the larger tire circumference of the EUC. For a given speed, the smaller wheel needs a lot more revolutions to achieve the speed of the larger wheel. The angular momentum is also much better preserved in the larger wheel reducing energy once a given speed is achieved.

@monocat.1011

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a great point, I didn’t think that much about this particular part! Thanks for sharing it!

@xWink

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually the opposite. Larger wheels have greater moments of inertia, so they need more energy (higher torque) to rotate than smaller wheels.

@joeyuno3846

2 жыл бұрын

@@xWink It is more efficient for an electric motor to maintain slower RPM than higher ones where the current produces more wasted heat. For any given speed, the smaller wheels require higher RPM.

@xWink

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeyuno3846 rpm alone doesn't mean anything, you need to account for angular momentum, friction with the air, friction with the ground, and mass of the thing being spun by the motor, all of which make spinning a small wheel more efficient.

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

EUCs are less efficient overall.

Great conversation and props to the camera operator/s. One of the things that was instrumental to me getting into EUC's was ironically kick scooters. I learned quickly that the small six inch wheel of a kick scooter was a serious liability. Because of this the wheel diameter of the EUC (16" and up) was very attractive when I learned of their existence.

Owning a Hyper Scooter is what got me interested in EUC. After I mastered the scooter and can comfortably ride at any speed it clicked in my head that these things aren't really as sketchy and dangerous as what you assume.

Fantastic video! Thank you to you all for making this video ✊

Very informative video. Thanks a lot to both of you!

Hey guys, i'm Tiago from Portugal. Just bought my first e-scooter. Loving the experience but also quite interested on learning more about EUC. Great video. Looking forward to watch more and connect with you guys! Take care.

@rootstriker1618

Жыл бұрын

Bòn día

I can’t compare a scooter to the UC but I can compare the Onewheel I’ve been riding one wheel for three years I’ve got about 150 miles EUC because of that fact I always went for the Onewheel but now that I’m getting more comfortable on the EUC it’s so much smoother than the onewheel so much less fatigue and I get more looks I think on the EUC I’m 66 years old and some lady hollered out you’re my hero so I guess they were impressed

That was AMAZING! I love both your opinons.

lol, great video... Adam absolutely dominates EUCs... Would be a blast to see him riding high speeds here in Portugal (just make sure the police isn't behind eheh)... All the best for you all

It's like two AI talking to each other.

This was extremity helpful for someone interested in learning about the two types of PEVs. Beautiful visually and great writing as well n👍👍cheers

Scooters seem to be less expensive. But then a few are higher priced. Might be better shocks, breaks, etc. EUCs, seem to better in most ways, range, but a higher buy in cost for it. But the EUC learning curve is a determent to many. This Video is very Helpful.

Extremely informative!- would like to hear more about: safety clothing/ padding, security- circuit disable or proximity activation, “ side of unit” lighting/ reflective tape, transportability in event of pwr down/ system malfunction ( s), additional power outlets for charging phones/ ear buds, etc…I could go on. Well done coverage for curiosity seekers and potential initiates to the new world of transportation. Timely to say the least…

Great video Kate... I am sitting here with a sore neck from 56 minutes of nodding in agreement with you both haha Well done! I definitely choose the EUC myself, I don't 'hate' scooters, they simply don't give me the same great feeling that the EUC does.

@destinacecilia4422

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a guy on an euc get blind sided and fly off an euc and break his leg the euxlc was destroyed while me on a scooter same event but i stood up and dusted myself lmao scooter was fine think about that for a moment

@ratmanmurray7137

2 жыл бұрын

@@destinacecilia4422 I came off my Nikola plus at 64kph (40mph) and just got up and dusted myself off with no injuries... and have seen people fall off their scooter and get tangled up in the stem and handlebar. Each has their pros and cons, but one major difference between scooter safety and EUC safety, is that EUC riders develop skill to be able to go fast, whereas anyone can get on a scooter and pin it with a false sense of security.

Great job, you two! I like the EUC in most cases as well and have found more mechanical issues with scooters. Even my Dualtron had a faulty BMS which necessitated a complete battery replacement at under 200 miles and out of warranty. That said, for short, easy trips, I do like the E-TWOW because it's very easy to carry and store and it requires a little less gear than the EUC. But the EUC rides much better and is way more fun than any scooter I've ever tried. It was also good to hear someone else took longer than a half-hour to acclimate to the EUC (Andrew). It's taken me a long time to develop proficiency and my only excuse is that I'm in my 7th decade.

@ProstyChlopiec

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t wear any gear other than wrist protection when I drive my EUC up to 25 km/h on a familiar road.

Very practical and in-depth discussion. thx a lot

Great chat and guide to the e-scooter and euc differences.

Awesome 😎 thanks Kate!!🙏

Good topic and points, for me the advantage of electric scooter is when going on ah prolonged downhill coz you can just free wheel you won't be thinking of sudden cut off because of overcharge, while on EUC its being portable no how heavy it is and the space when you park.

Awesome video!!

very informative, thanks!

If there's something that the average, everyday user will notice: EUCs are 7 billion times more convenient. About 6 billion of that is because you can bring them anywhere. Stores, bars, offices, school. Pretty much anywhere you could bring a suitcase and not get weird looks lmao.

At 50+ My Zero 10x is one best things i ever purchased..👍🏼 Me personally wouldnt be confident enough to ride a EUC But they look a lot of fun👍🏼

just got an e scooter! definitely was sketched out by a EUC at first, but after watching this will get one eventually :)

V12, euc vs escooter and a video about riding in the winter!? Gotta subscribe

EUC for me 🥰

Many thanks, that was really excellent, with clear and concise information as well as your personal opinions. Also, Warsaw looks really beautiful, I think I’ll have to come up from Italy at some point to take a look around. Lastly, how did you find the V12 Kate? I’m really thinking about moving on to one. Thanks again to all of you, areal,y excellent and enjoyable video. 👍👍👍

@whatsupbudbud

2 жыл бұрын

V12 is awesome, I can't stop riding it. Currently visiting in Naples, Italy actually and sadly this city is not very friendly to either scooters or EUC's as the traffic is just deadly. Would be amazing to cruise on an EUC here though if it were more empty.

I just got my first Escooter and I have an E fatbike. For me they all are great options i want to own all 3 one day so it's all flavour of the day, the E Fatbike will alway rein Supreme due to range and the fact that I can ride on any terrain winter riding is a blast. Ebikes also give you a good workout.

Thank you for your video, I watched it until the end. I have a Tesla 3 and its weight is 48.5 Lb (21.8Klg). From Medellin Colombia

Don't care what others think but I luv what I use and respect yours, that's it for me.

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome vídeo! I prefer the EUC.

Regarding warning sounds for other people, I found that clapping is effective on an EUC. Especially with hard plastic wrist-protectors, that tend to make clapping quite loud, even with gloves on underneath.

@user-ke9yk5qp3u

8 ай бұрын

I simply adjust the loudness of my voice based on the situation and say "Ding Dong". And then of course I say hi and thank you.

greatest comparison video this year. I've been on the fence about trying out ecu's I think you guys have pushed me over the line. I have three scooters one being the k 6 extreme Bull I'm definitely satisfied with it being able to go speeds up to 70 miles per hour and comfortable but I would like to try ECU for the challenge

I just began riding an euc (v10f) and im enjoying riding the euc very much. i just ordered a lynx. in my experience, the euc takes a little time to get used to riding. but once muscle memory has time to learn the feeling/sensation of riding an euc, i found that it is actually much easier than riding a bicycle. and even easier than walking. the simplicity of riding an euc is absolutely indescribable. I presently ride a dualtron storm LTD, and an inmotion v10f. i like scooters a lot, but the freedom and inspiration i feel while riding an euc makes the choice simple, if i were to choose one. euc 100%

I don't have an EUC (yet) but I was feeling fancy ... so I subscribed anyway.

I've been riding scooters since the original Xiaomi m365 came out, slowly upgraded through Ninebot, Inokim, OEM garbage, Dualtron, Kaabo....Recently I was introduced to EUCs, and a fellow rider lent me a ks14d to learn on. The learning curve is steep, took me about 3 tries to be able to ride and turn it, although I wouldn't comfortably go on the road yet. Anyways, I already placed an order for the upcoming Kingsong S20, and I am relieved to know that I can have a powerful yet portable option that is the EUC, and at the same time I can buy a big scooter like the Kaabo Wolf King GT without much consideration for portability. If I need to travel in my car, I can simply put the EUC in my trunk, and for commutes around my home, I will use the scooter for more stability and in my opinion, better presence on the road. I think they are both really fun and I can't give up either now.

@K-EVOFFICIAL

Жыл бұрын

@Dev Guy I've got mine since July and already have 3600km on it. My charger was dead after a week and got replaced, and I have a new revised motor on its way to me....I know a lot of people had issues but I guess I am lucky to have a relatively trouble-free machine. I am planning on selling it for the EX30 that comes out next year after a few batches of production, but when I also tried the Master, I liked the S22 a lot better still. I wouldn't recommend people pay full price for the s22 either, but it is a super fun wheel.

Thanks for the vid! I hope the rules in Germany will be better in the future. I want to have a Inmotion V11, or a KingSong s20. I like the v12 with its LED`s too, but it has no suspension, The LED`s at the Flj-Scooters are very nice also.

@whatsupbudbud

2 жыл бұрын

I chose V12 over V11 and, trust me, the suspension is not that necessary. I love my V12!

I see most people say EUC here but I guess because this is more of a EUC channel. But for me escooter easily. Feels safer, more secure, have seat option, cheaper, have something to hold onto, easier to learn and drive, easier to balance, have solid tire option (no flats), looks better imo, not as eye catching, etc.

The larger motor is more efficient than the smaller scooter motors for the same power draw right?

@TheThunderwars

2 жыл бұрын

Larger motors tend to be rated for higher voltages. And higher voltages are more efficient per se, since power is Voltage*Intensity (roughly speaking), and the loss of efficiency is roughly equivalent to R*I^2 with R the coil resistance, the higher the Voltage, the lower the intensity for the same power, and the lower the loss of efficiency.

@PimpmasterMcGooby

2 жыл бұрын

Also the larger tires lead to greater surface contact, which is more power efficient. Suspension also makes a vehicle less efficient, I believe high-end scooters generally have more suspension than EUCs.

@TheThunderwars

2 жыл бұрын

@@PimpmasterMcGooby More surface is more efficient? I think it's the other way around... Thus the numerous new eco friendly "Tall and narrow" tires.

@timwatterson8060

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's more about less dynamic losses when accelerating and braking due to the EUCs' motor matching the rider's torque from the lean. Scooters don't have a force to match the motor's torque, so all forces generated 90deg to the movement is wasted. Suspension loading, tyre spinning to the forces pushing you over the handle bars during braking or off the back during acceleration, all byproducts of unmatched torque.

@Ubeogesh

2 жыл бұрын

2 tiers = more rolling friction. That's the main reason. Second most important reason is probably the regenerative breaking. All that energy that heats up brakes on scooters recharges your EUC battery. I don't think motor size matters. Mten3 will get about the same range as a V8F, with quite different motor sizes.

I ride almost every kind of PEV! Started my journey with a E-twow Booster V in 2018 and i'm using a Tarsa T9 offroad scooter as a daily commuter (over 6000 km ODO) until today! Switched to ESK8 (Evolve Bamboo GTR) and some other street boards in 2019. Bought a Lacroix Nazaré Supersport AT-ESK8 in 2021, but i never lost interest in scooters, especially those power- and hyperscooters. Last year i bought a Dualtron Achilleus which is a blast to ride! My wife is a EUC rider. She starts with a Inmotion V10F and is now riding a Kingsong S22 Pro. I was never interested in self balancing PEV's, but i started riding the S22 two weeks ago and it's a lot of fun for sure and i'm getting better every single day. Offroading it is pure fun, but it's still the Dualtron which thrills me the most. I'm so connected to it and i really beat the shit out of that Achilleus. On and off road! I love to make wheelies, stoppies, jump of or on the curbs, blasting around with close to 80 kph without annoying beeps or the risk of cut outs! Riding performance scooters is more like riding motorcycles, imo. I think i can skip the whole ESK8 thing and i'm already plan to buy my first own EUC, but i can definitely separate it, because both are fun on their own ways. Just don't compare them! For me personally, i'm definitely a "scooter guy", but who knows where the journey will take you!🤷‍♂️ BTW: We also have a Bike! A Super73 ZX. It's nice, but boring compared to EUC's, performance scooters or ESK8's.

I think most of the range on battery with the euc is down to sheer unit size, profile and drag.. an EUC is alot more compact and streamlined with just a single wheel which doesnt give much rolling resistance as you are effectively straddling it.. where a scooter is long, heavy, 2 smaller wheels, its much more draggy and subject to wind resistance etc.. Awesome video and nice to hear the difference and comparisons between you and Andrew. Thanks for sharing :)

@monocat.1011

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts one the range/battery topic! Those are definitely some valid points, I also thing the wind resistance plays a big role in this :)

@rexluminus9867

2 жыл бұрын

I ride an escooter & the wind resistance is just get stronger as you're speeding up.Around 20Miles ~32Km you can feel it! At higher speeds the wind just pushes you harder.Period. Wear goggles !!! 🔥😂. 😎

34:45 That looked amazing. It looked like you were going to ftl on the spaceship from star wars

Great video!

This is such an amazing video! Thank you! I presently ride scooters, i just purchased a wolf king gtr from voro motors in panorama city, ca. and i am very happy with my scooter! While watching this video, and listening to your experiences, I realized that i must try riding an euc again. I have several friends that have transitioned from riding scooters, to riding euc’s. After listening to your conversation in this video, which is very helpful on so many levels of insight and understanding, I am very interested in permitting myself the time to become able to learn to balance on an euc. In the past, i just didn’t persist in the exercise of learning to ride the euc. but now, i think i will buy a beginner level euc, something i can learn on. is there any models that you recommend for someone that cannot ski nor skateboard. and is there any model euc’s that may be good to avoid, when getting started in riding euc’s? Thank you!

Thanks for the dialog. It's helpful as I decide to buy my first scooter or EUC. I like the portability of the EUC in city living but having just turned 60 in good health the EUC makes me a little nervous. I currently ride an e-bike but was thinking a scooter/EUC is more convenient and smaller than a bike. Can you talk about breaking with a EUC, particularly if you need to break hard?

@whatsupbudbud

2 жыл бұрын

EUC makes you more alert to traffic and pedestrians as its braking ability depends on it's weight. Smaller EUC's are more nimble in accelerating and braking and the larger ones require more care when considering braking distance. As I like to push boundaries, I love that my V12 makes me think about braking on intersections earlier than if it would be more nimble as my MCM5.

@naturegood515

Жыл бұрын

​@@whatsupbudbud in other words, forget about breaking hard on euc 😂😂😂

@whatsupbudbud

Жыл бұрын

@@naturegood515 In a way, yes. One can also jump off the euc when braking hard, so you would brake and it would roll further due to inertia but hey, you'd be safe yourself in an emergency. :D

Why EUC is more efficient than EScooter: 1. Larger motors are more energy efficient in general. 2. Dual motor scooters have 2 motors drawing extra power to spin the wheels at the same speed. 3. Two wheels touching the ground means twice the ground friction. Something else to keep in mind is that when moving forward, the self balancing is actually not costing much energy at all, since the forward movement is the result of self balancing. So, the only extra energy lost from self-balancing is the computer being powered to do constant computations on the pitch of the EUC, which costs very little energy.

@monocat.1011

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it! All those points make a lot of sense and would explain the efficiency difference :)

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

the ignorance here is astounding

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

physics tells you the power is the same whether two or one motors. you CANNOT apply more power to do the same amount of work, the work will increase. larger motors are less efficient because they have more powerful magnets increasing drag, and are more massive. twice the ground friction.... NOT, because the pressure is TWICE the amount just on one wheel

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

fun fact, EUCs are also MUCH less efficient. they use more power to go at a slower speed. between z10x and v11 the v11 used 3-4kw to travel around 30mph whereas the z10x can travel 36mph with 2-3kw

@Cobalt985

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blox117 quite interesting that the range is better on euc then

1:38 That obelisk on the platform. What a skate spot!

This was an awesome video. I hope you come back with new content soon Kate!

Excellente vidéo🙂✌ vous êtes super continuer comme ça. J'ai juste un petit regret c'est que vous parlez pas en français. C'est grâce à toi wrong way que je me suis mis à la gyroroue(sherman) un grand merci à toi. Je vous souhaite tout plein de bonnes choses😉✌ merci encore

I am 62 and rode my EUC’s since late 2017 (EUC times of antiquity!).

I think part of the reason that there were so many scooter accidents when rental scooters first came out was because people assumed that there was no skill involved, and yes they are easy to ride, but there are some basic skills you need to learn before you ride them in traffic or at high speeds. Learning how to stop quickly without being thrown over the bars is not something you want to discover at 35mph when a car door opens in front of you. Also being able to quickly avoid or hop over obstacles that you didn't notice until last minute is a crucial skill, and that takes a little bit of practice as well.

This was a very compressive comparison! You all could start a standards board or something haha

Both, because I hate repairing my EUC so when somethings wrong will take months. But a scooter is way easier IME to fix oneself without risking a wire cutting like from separating panels on EUC. If EUC's focus more on repairability than EUC and OW all the way. Except that new Dualtron with the removable battery is getting me stoked😂

I talk to the neighborhood riders and I ride a EUC. I’m 76 and chose EUC ON purpose. On parting ways with the much younger riders of scooters I might say when I get older ill try 2 wheels. I love having the trolley handle. I click my wrist guards together when i sneak up on pedestrians, also I stay slow around them. We don’t have the right away.

Just my two cents I think that EUCs are the future of mobility but I emphasize the key phrase ‘future’ of mobility. It’s still in its very infancy just like what’ the Wright brothers started with the airplane, the many iterations of the bicycle since its invention about a 100:years ago. Two main components that the Wright brothers and the bicycle had to go through: control and a good plan B, when sh”t hits the fan. The EuC is still maturing in these two areas and it’ll take a few more years of design to address these issues. Till then I’ll hop on my ebike or kick scooter.

@greenwave819

2 жыл бұрын

I have not had any of the issues you seem leery of. I ride a Gen2.2 EX.N

my best guess is that most scooters lack in range because of the (usually) less advanced controllers (i.e. minimotors etc STILL using squarewave actuation, which is kind of inefficient), and because of the lower nominal voltage (more current at the same power, meaning more resistive losses) another issue with most squarewave controllers is that they'll usually do their max power independant of throttle position, if they have to accelerate atleast that makes it both hard to ride to me, but also less efficient EUC's vary their power/current based on how hard you lean (ofcourse) but most scooters just do full power till it reaches your speed target (dictated by throttle) since i've changed my normal JP (squarewave) controllers to VESC i've had both more power and more range, and much smoother operation as i use current control (basically what EUC's do, but on a throttle rather than to self balance) rather than PID speed control (what most scooters do) that gives me a ultra smooth throttle response, allowing me to ride 3kph up to 100kph with fully perfectly smooth control (100kph theoretically, it's not legal in my country and my battery voltage is too low to reach that, but pretty much, the throttle response curve doesn't change based on max speed, when i press my throttle to ride 10kph is exactly the same distance on 25kph speed limit as it is on 50kph speed limit

@jaceknows247

5 ай бұрын

They have sine wave controllers also now

@BH4x0r

5 ай бұрын

@@jaceknows247 there's "sinewave" in the method of literally sending a sine wave, sensorlessly, into the motor which is rather inefficient and yes, even then most still react on a speed control way rather than torque control which is unfortunate and inefficient

I am sad to see EUC Riders ignore respect for the pedestrian and I ride in town a lot. I easily walk my wheel because it’s easier to walk a minute then lose my gift of my range extender. At 75 I really enjoy riding .

EUC can climb because it has a big diameter motor, which is the main thing that gives you torque. It's force times the leverage.Big diameter motor has both high force and long leverage. Now multiply that by motor diameter - effective wheel diameter ratio and you have the system torque equation

Main reason i switched my Zero 11x to UEC is that i can have my coffee while cruising ;)

I love my EUC, but it's hard to overstate how easy and convenient scooters are, and how steep the learning curve on EUC's can be, which is why I think most people are better off choosing scooters. It also doesn't help that there isn't a single training video that really nails how to ride an EUC. There are a lot, and some are better than others, I'd give a B- to even the best of them.

On the range thing, before the Monster entered the chat Andrew was comparing the scooter to a Sherman @ 77 pounds when comparing range which Vs the 115 pound scooter is quite the difference. But honestly a big factor must just be the efficiency of the momentum the much bigger tire gives you compared to two small ones? "Larger wheel requires less friction to roll because the ratio of wheel diameter to axle diameter is larger." According to some physics guys.

Super handy guide! At 80, personal mobility huge problem for seniors. Still trying to master Inmotion V5. If I can't, next Onewheel. Then scooter. Will follow up in a couple months. Have road bike but impossible in city.

@ltb69

3 ай бұрын

How did it go, Bob?

Re: wheel suspension. You can totally not have it and use your 3 pairs of lower body joints for it. HOWEVER. It's such a big relief to have suspension if you ride when tired; e.g. returning home after training, or after a long tiring work day, suspension just makes the ride much more forgiving. To me this is what makes V11 the best wheel in the market.

@Cobalt985

2 жыл бұрын

Does the v11f have this suspension too?

@Ubeogesh

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cobalt985 there is no "v11f"

Easy to ask which one to choose when you’re young, in shape and can still basically do anything without much physical worry, lol. As a rider in my 50’s with some old injuries stacking up with every passing year, two wheels is definitely the better way to go, haha.

@whatsupbudbud

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't push your boundaries, EUC is perfectly safe for an older person. Just take some training courses for an EUC at your nearest dealer and you'll thank me later. You must try it!

@grb1969

Жыл бұрын

I'm in my 50's and have very limited walking capacity (a few blocks) before I succumb to either foot pain, knee pain, back pain or COPD. I'm a physical train wreck. But, on an EUC, I can get around safely and mostly pain-free. The health benefits alone will add years to my life. If you can still stand without a cane or walker, then it's not to late to learn to ride and EUC. Get as much body protection as reasonable find someone local to teach you. The best advice I could give is to start with safety gear. Whether you choose an e-bike, e-scooter or EUC, you should feel comfortable with falling, impact and sliding at the maximum speed you're likely to ride. For me, this is about 20mph with leather and ample D3O padding but it's taken a couple of years of slow cautious learning to get there. Here's my favorite gear video, if you're curious: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hn2CxbaOf7TUoqg.html

@davida7284

Жыл бұрын

@@whatsupbudbud Switching from two wheels to one for an older person with past injuries IS IN ITSELF pushing a boundary, lol. Obviously training, confidence and gear can buffer that push somewhat.

@davida7284

Жыл бұрын

@@grb1969 I can’t imagine you’re using this to “just get around” on. I see this as purely a recreational vehicle. Even if you or anyone were using it as work transportation, spending 20 minutes getting in and out of all that protective gear every time seams hardly worth it. We all learn are limitations and weigh our risk/rewards. I have no doubt I’d be able to learn how to ride one but going to work, I’d rather wear reasonable protection going 45 on two wheels than look like a linebacker going 20. Having fun is important especially as we get older and I’m glad you’re enjoying the machine👍🏻

Thank you for the video, very interesting. I'm leaning towards a scooter because my job is very fisical, and when I'm done and going home I'm tired to walk 😅

Awesome video

You neglected a MAJOR feature of EUCs... The trolley handle. With an EUC you can switch from riding to pedestrian in an instant with the trolley handle. I've never seen someone bring a scooter into a grocery store to go shopping which is something I do all the time. You can't move a scooter as easily with you as you're walking as you can with an EUC, especially not one handed.

@uria702

11 ай бұрын

You can just lock the scooter outside like a bicycle something you can’t do with a euc

@oolong2

11 ай бұрын

@@uria702 I do it all the time actually.

What a beautiful city Warsaw 😍 ❤️!!!

I chose not to chose, they’re all fun have 2 segways 2 e scooters and 2 euc’s. Every single one is it’s own kind of fun but they’re all tons of fun

@rootstriker1618

Жыл бұрын

I agree they both have there purpose and fun

Hello! Thanks for amazing video, huge work :) I just have got one question, I really like the idea of EUC and would like to get one myself, but living in Poland I have worries about legalisation. I've heard there where some more strict rules released in autumn and now you cannot legally ride on roads with it. Is it much of a concern and are there by any chance upcoming improvements in the situation?

I am using my scooter for hiking in nature and bushcraft, most routes are longer than 20 km (up to 40 km) often under different weather conditions (rain, wind or even snow). This task can not be done by a EUC, the scooter is sure more secure. I like to have a mirror, on a EUC it is not possible. At hiking and long routes i like to have a option to hang bags on my scooter to have more storage, the EUC lacks of such options. For a city the EUC is maybe not bad. I never had a EUC but i can not imagine the EUC can do that. I really like my scooter Thank you for nice records. :) Warsaw seems to be a very nice city.

Please make hour long podcasts a regular thing! I much prefer to get engrossed in a topic rather than a quick or highly edited overview. I'd listen to EUC/scooter podcasts any day of the week. Nice one!

I like PEVs and there are definitely advantages and disadvantages to each type. I have an EUC and it is great for many reasons, including how easily it can be put in a car to be transported to a place to ride (this wasn't mentioned in this video). I also have an E-Scooter and it was so easy to start riding and zip along at 50-60kph, but is maybe a bit boring compared to an EUC. I'm looking at buying an E-MTB for off-road, something with front & rear suspension, a decent battery and a 1kW Bafang motor - they have bigger wheels than scooters or EUCs, which is an advantage off-road and on uneven ground. When it comes to commuting in a city, I think all PEVs are much better than driving a car - bikes/scooters/EUCs all are good options. E-Bikes are probably the easiest legally, most countries allow them anywhere that bicycles are allowed. I've not had any legal issues with my EUC or E-Scooter though, so I'm not overly worried about that aspect. All the PEVs are better for the environment than cars that burn fossil fuels and are a heap of fun, I'd highly recommend looking into whatever looks like the best option for anyone that needs a good commuting solution.

I ride EUC GETTing a v11 soon. I mention to scooter guys that I’ll get one when I get older. I’m 75 now. 😊

@monocat.1011

Жыл бұрын

That’s so cool, I hope you’ll have a great time on the v11!

Great video, just a thought: couldn´t the brakes explain the range difference? If the EUC recharges when it brakes and the scooter just uses friction brakes? Or am I missing something? Is the scooter also recharging when it brakes?

Get a walking stick, put a bell on it. Then you have a “handlebar” and also a pole to balance on at stops.

Range difference might be partly due to energy loss through tyres. Scooter wheels are much smaller in circumference and my guess is that because the contact angle between scooter tyre and floor is larger and because the aspect ratio profile of the tyre sliced in the radial direction is greater, the scooter tyre deforms more with typical bumps over a given distance covered. Associated with any tyre deformation is energy loss (slowing down).

@chrisw3327

Жыл бұрын

What I meant to say was "due to tyre rolling resistance". Another factor could be due to greater drag from the different arm position for scooters Vs EUCs. Subtle differences like this seem to matter in other disciplines l, such as cycling efficiency.

@user-ke9yk5qp3u

8 ай бұрын

Thanks dad

I recently got myself a high end scooter. It's got just over 3,200wh battery. (Modified Weped SST) My Shermans and my Monster Pro get about 20 more miles on average for the same amount of power used.

@Andrew-vt4jt

2 жыл бұрын

I still can't figure it out. You would think that since it does not have to self balance, it would get more range. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

@big_petebear8535

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-vt4jt As far as I know it's down to the type of motor controls used in nearly all scooters. The Nami Burn-E Viper is a new sign wave controller type. It has around 2700wh and gets more range than even EUC's of the same class. 80 to 90 miles (i hear).

@94e88

2 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-vt4jt it's all about rolling resistance. The bigger wheel rolls better and since there is only one, it results almost in the halving of the energy used by the tyres(deformation, ground contact, slight slip) but then you self balance and you use quite a bit of energy that way. Also, the controller tend to be a bit more high grade on eucs because they need finer control.

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

@@94e88 wrong, having two wheels halves the ground contact pressure

@Blox117

2 жыл бұрын

EUC gets more range because of a bigger battery coupled with lower speeds. I dont see why this is so hard for people to understand.

EUC if and ONLY IF here is a holographic HUD (preferably through virtual reality lenses) with speed and neural brake control for lights, turn signals and horns! Otherwise, e-scooter is my preference from a safety standpoint as the handlebars make a world of difference in safety and handling! The Apollo Pro, for example already boasts those massive 12-inch tires and regen brake systems equipped with turn signals and horn for safety! Until that technology comes, e-scooter for now!

Good video 👍

I have a hard time making these decisions so I have a top of the line electric mountain bike and an electric unicycle and a hyper scooter. Some days I ride all three and go to bed before it even gets dark!

My InMotion V11 has been renamed “The Rib Smasher” after I ate it 2 weeks into my learning and broke a couple ribs after falling while going thru grass for the first time.

One big reason it goes so much farther with the same battery is the wheels 10 times bigger

I currently have 2 scooter that I love commuting around NYC for all my errands. But now that it’s getting sub 40 degree weather I don’t feel comfortable leaving my scooters/batteries out in the cold locked with a bike lock. How do you secure or store the EUCs when in a resturant? Are they small enough to go under the table? During the summer do you lock them to a bike rack?

From a physics perspective I think less power from the motor is needed for acceleration on a EUC compared to a scooter. I can't enumerate the forces myself, but the act of the rider moving their centre of mass to an unstable forward position increases acceleration efficacies. I think of it like leaning forward(from the ankle) to start running, all your force is going in one direction up through your head, the lean counters gravity pushing you down and inertia pushing you back as a result of your acceleration. If you don't lean, you need to generate 3 forces: up through your head to counter gravity, pulling your feet back to generate forward movement and a torque to counter the inertia of the acceleration. In a EUC the torque of the motor matches the riders torque from the lean and resultant forces from the lean and the motor's torque both converted into the desired motion. In a scooter there are no forces generated from the lean and the motors torque is not matched, so things like tyre slip and other losses form. EUC's use more power to stay stable but gain it back when it makes dynamic movements more efficient. Scooters use less power to be stable but need more power to move ALSO 100% regen braking vs X% regen and friction brake losses to heat.

@whatsupbudbud

2 жыл бұрын

I think the simple reason of having two tires makes all the difference just the same as larger tires on cars make more surface contact and, therefore, more resistance.