"They won and so did we" is going to be boss dialogue in a bunch of indie games for the next 10 years now. Thanks for the laughs, Hasbro

@theotherjared9824

Жыл бұрын

The first boss comes back late-game all thankful because "we both won. We both grew and became stronger because of it" followed by a boss fight that's like the first time, only crazier as the boss has a mental breakdown during the fight.

@MyShadowstrike

Жыл бұрын

People have been using screencaps from that bit near the end of Thor Ragnarok where the Collector pats himself on the back for playing the whole of the defeated tyrant so well (since every revolution needs two sides after all) to describe the WOTC announcement, and it fits *so* well

@AngryHomunculus

Жыл бұрын

Has the "woke moralists" line been used in any indie games?

@devin5201

Жыл бұрын

Didn't Armstrong in mgr basically pull a "you beat me but my plan continues" type of thing too? Oh god that game is prophetic.

@kinggundragon3728

Жыл бұрын

@@devin5201 to be fair Armstrong was proven right by Jack defeating him as his only world view was might makes right. So Jack defeating him just reinforces his world view.

Paizo going: Do not cite the deep magic to me, Wizards. I was there when it was written.

@PFIO

Жыл бұрын

Literally 😂

@MostLikelyMortal

Жыл бұрын

They were literally the authors lmao

@FrozenOver0

Жыл бұрын

@@MostLikelyMortal So was the fellow who said that quote in the original story.

“They won - and so did we” is a failure of the tabletop roleplaying game designer

Their gonna try to finesse a community that can keep records of a session for years.

@dimmusdongus6596

Жыл бұрын

And the worst part is it's going to work

@ThatWolfArrow

Жыл бұрын

@Dimmus Dongus If completely torching relationships with 3rd party publishers, giving Paizo (their biggest competitors) a huge leg up on them, and the formation of an open rpg license is "working", then they can keep up the good work.

@vivamexico254

Жыл бұрын

RECEIPTS!!! RECEIPTS!!!

@dimmusdongus6596

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatWolfArrow Theyve done a good job making sure new players arent even remotely aware alternatives exist, or making them look down on alternatives. It's their model for screwing over MTG while keeping players chained to them.

@kaijuultimax9407

Жыл бұрын

@@dimmusdongus6596 Except we already know that's not true because the last time WoTC tried to force a shitty edition of D&D on people, Pathfinder took over the market until 5e came out. Don't compare D&D fans to MTG fans, because MTG fans have always been whipped consoomers and D&D fans have NEVER put up with this.

Critical role actually started as a pathfinder home game for two years, they switched it to 5ed and turned it into a public stream at the launch of the edition and wizards sponsored them. So wizards tried to pull a fast one, by instigating a plough that would screw over the people that are not only their single greatest source of marketing and interest, but who also have established history with their direct competitor

@conspiracypanda1200

Жыл бұрын

Critical Role has even threatened to opt out and switch their stuff to Pathfinder when WotC tried to give them too raw a deal in the beginning. If DnD remains in this downward slide and Pathfinder continues to thrive with the implementation of the ORC, I can't see any reason that CR wouldn't just pack up and jump on a ship that isn't greedily sinking itself the moment their contracts expire.

@Jimbo55151

Жыл бұрын

@@conspiracypanda1200 or even make their own system. Matt and Brendan could probably hash out a really good one.

okay, but the Pathfinder guys getting the guy who originally wrote the OGL for their lawyer has big "DO NOT CITE THE DEEP MAGIC TO ME, WITCH! I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN" energy to it

I am so happy Cyberpunk 2077 introduced me to the terms "corpo" and "corpo-rat" because this just sums up the whole reason why that exists.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

haha funny words.

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 Those words been around since the 1980's, language evolves cope

@urielhernandez4078

11 ай бұрын

6

WotC UNIRONICALLY “But I got some good hits in though.”

@francescolombardi3438

Жыл бұрын

"I wasn't ACTUALLY trying to win. I was just here to learn the matchup!"

You know it's good news when it shows up twice the podcast

@Shadest

Жыл бұрын

The story so nice they ran it twice

@Mr.Faust3

Жыл бұрын

For bayo they did it 3 times

@arthurgomes5188

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Faust3 and if it shows up for more than 3 times than Blizzard is involved in some way.

@nicolaschaves7758

Жыл бұрын

Stadia has show up like 7 times by now, second would be Bobby Kotick.

@ThisNameIsNotTaken99

Жыл бұрын

Reset the clock

The community continually making it clear to WOTC that they don't want a new OGL and to just leave the current one in place, and WOTC just going forward with it anyway, is beyond frustrating. They are acting like we're willing to negotiate with them and work out a new deal, when we do not. They've burned *all* of their credibility in record time.

@BlazeMakesGames

Жыл бұрын

yeah they're pretending to be accommodating by saying that they're working towards a compromise and wanting feedback and whatnot. And they're even trying to justify it by saying it's all for trying to implement the morality clause so that they can shut down racist and offensive work. But we don't want a compromise, we want them to stop entirely. And offensive shit hasn't ever been a problem in the past because why would anyone blame WotC for a random third party book that nobody has anything to do with.

@ThisNameIsNotTaken99

Жыл бұрын

As always, the only language corporations understand is money. Vote with your wallet. Chances are they won't change, but at least they won't have your money. They might win, but so will you.

@ratking1608

Жыл бұрын

It takes ten years to build a reputation and ten seconds to tear it down.

@TychoHoward

Жыл бұрын

@@ratking1608 Yep, that's why they call it burning bridges. Could take months or even years to finish a bridge, takes only a few minutes to undo all that work. Also heads up, not to start a war, but rumor mill says they're going to push for the restriction by arguing they want to protect against hate speech and other "undesirable" stuff, so keep an eye out and don't buy it. This is the game system that got F.A.T.A.L published under the OGL (look that up at your own risk, legitimately.) so it's a bit late to start moral policing.

@michaelmaguire4147

Жыл бұрын

The time of the wizard is over, ORC TIME NOW!

This is still happening, they backed down on a lot of things, threw the creative director under the bus, still have clauses where they can still kill your project and steal it. Still calling that trap a draft. Still scared of NFT’s, while they sell NFTs. Now they also had leaks about future D&D beyond will have $30 tier, AI DMs, and killing homebrew for lower tier subs. The drama continues. DLC is dropping left and right for this story.

@gameb9oy

Жыл бұрын

AI DMs? Feels like it ruins a bit of the point of it being a tabletop game if you don’t have that human element. Even if it works well enough, I’m sure some players would enjoy getting to talk to the DM away from the game amongst other things

@just_matt214

Жыл бұрын

It's incredible how far they're willing to go to make Pathfinder more profitable.

@rikowolfin4984

Жыл бұрын

@@gameb9oy AI DM's sounds like the only good idea to come from this, I know for one thing that there have been several ideas me and my friends have had for games we would run but also wanted to be players for that weren't just a DM PC that couldn't do much to advance things or stand out with feeling like you're stealing the spotlight from your players. Depending on how customizable the AI DM could be and how open to homebrew and moding it is, you could have a fun AI to run games that everyone in the group is interested in playing but doesn't want to be stuck as the forever DM. Plus it could be used as a tool for DM's, let an AI get a prompt and some basic outlines for plots or encounters and have it set something up for you that you can later edit to fit more with what you have in mind with out needing to do all the work of setting up enemy sheets or map layouts. Course the biggest problem is that I doubt the AI would be any good, probably would get confused over itself a lot or players might break it by accident.

Also for anyone here in the comments, they have since released two other statements. One of which is some softboy shit where they pulled this producer and forced him "apologize" but then didn't actually change any of the elements of the new """Open""" Game License that people disliked. They then released a draft of this new OGL and its filled with so many shady decisions ("Yeah guys we are using Creative Commons!" >only uses it for a tiny sliver of content so they can say it uses CC. Also "The new draft includes the word irrevocable" when the usage of the word in the draft just means you can't revoke the license off of YOUR content). There is a bunch of other awful shit in it too. At this point their strategy is "Oh, lets keep doing these surveys and community feedback exchanges, but not actually change any of the things people have issues with" and "Lets wait them out since the deadline of this new draft """O"""GL is in late Feburary. Surely this will all blow over by then" not realizing that 3rd party companies aren't going to be interested in signing their rights away regardless of how pretty the document is. They have broken trust SO MUCH that people are literally combing through each and every statement and draft they send and are judging them in he most (justifiably so) uncharitable way. Do not believe a single goddamn word that Wizards of the Coast puts out.

@bahskintimulholde6191

Жыл бұрын

>No Hateful Content or Conduct. >You will not include content in Your Licensed Works that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing, or engage in conduct that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing. We have the *SOLE RIGHT^ to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action Yeah, I sure do love it when companies tell me I have no right to do what I want with the product I bought. Hasbro/WotC can go fuck themselves. If I want racist fantasy characters, you cannot stop me.

@Horatio787

Жыл бұрын

Sort of glad the DnD movies never took off to create valuable IP now.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

what does this word "softboy" mean?

@conspiracypanda1200

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 I think it's supposed to mean "polite, pacifistic and pretty in appearance but overall just weak". Having read the statement myself, that's my interpretation. Though I'm sure OP meant it much more harshly.

@markhalm9889

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 using disengenious UwU, I'm just a little guy language masking their shady intentions.

So weird to see King Crimson being featured as a special guest.

@ultimatehamsandwich734

Жыл бұрын

we will never reach the swear

@alexishylton5357

Жыл бұрын

Right? These cuts are nuts

@FunkBastid

Жыл бұрын

@@ultimatehamsandwich734 is that why? Cussing is verboten now?

@trustytrest

Жыл бұрын

Kekka dake da

I love when a corporate corncobbing is happening so rapidly that the time between the podcast episode being recorded and the podcast episode being published is enough for a bunch of additional stuff to happen.

I lost it at Paizo is going to fight Wizards of the Coast till they die in court lol.

holy shit we saw Crazy Talk ACTIVELY proc during this episode

@vanconojl

Жыл бұрын

time stamps?

As SOON as I read the Wizards of the Cost statement and seen THAT part I thought of Pat and Woolie instantly!🤣

@botwhy

Жыл бұрын

You didn't win! You didn't win! You didn't win!🤣

"We didn't shit our pants and get laughed at crossing the gymnasium." - WotC after shitting it's pants and being laughed at in the gymnasium. Probably.

We Pathfinder fans are eating good these days. Especially when we're dining on Hasbro's lunch!

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

So same as always

@lexofexcel886

Жыл бұрын

It also helps that Paizo's staff is actually unionized.

@vyxxer

Жыл бұрын

The core rule book and beginners box has been sold out on amazon for days. Hasbro has become Paizos biggest advertisers.

@arthurgomes5188

Жыл бұрын

"Do them dirty, In front of their whole fanbase" - Paizo's business strategy against Hasbro from now on.

@RDR911

Жыл бұрын

Is PF2 still shit?

The fact theat they are now trying to effectively copyright not just specific animations, but the concept of animations whatsoever. They wanna turn dnd into a giant NFT.

@Canadish

Жыл бұрын

It's not far off. Leaks have said he plan is to launch their own VTT and 5.5 edition will be built around using this and killing 'around the table' play in the traditional way. The leaked price point is (brace yourself) $30 dollars a month all in. Won't work unless they have a monopoly, so they are trying to strangle the other VTTs.

I've never seen a company want to die more than WotC.

@DGrayEX

Жыл бұрын

Square Enix has been trying hard in recent years and basically only staying afloat due to FFXIV printing more money than they can manage to waste.

@shazbots7287

Жыл бұрын

Platinum, and I don't mean in a "har har Bayo3 bad" way. I mean in that their creative integrity is, from a purely financial perspective, an absolute self sabotage. I absolutely adore them for that integrity, but it is not a winning business model outside of the occasional work with Nintendo where the latter is absolutely OK with burning stacks of money and letting Platinum be Platinum because of how it fits into their Blue Ocean Strategy.

@DGrayEX

Жыл бұрын

@@shazbots7287 I'm still curious how they managed to effectively get blacklisted by Cygames, a company that pretty much exists to funnel massive amounts of gacha money into passion projects.

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

Does WotC want to die, or does Hasbro want to kill them is real question here

@DragonaxFilms

Жыл бұрын

@@Americanbadashh Hasbro seems like the main culprit to me. Back when My Little Pony was super popular (talk about a throwback lol) they were going nuts with C&Ds on fan content and attempts to "defend" their IP. This whole OGL thing feels eerily similar.

I can't believe they turned Pat into a YTP

@FrozenOver0

Жыл бұрын

Turned him into?

@mmichaelson

Жыл бұрын

@@FrozenOver0 KZread Poop

@Toastybees

Жыл бұрын

Someone send it to his video react stream so he can not watch it lol

@Vugtis_El_VillaVODS

Жыл бұрын

Your True Pairing

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

@@mmichaelson they're implying he's always been one.

"Hello, you've been lucky selected to receive a comment from a phishing account..." For those unfamiliar with the impersonation copy/paste scam, just ignore and report. On the video: Glad to hear that Paizo has the specific lawyer who drafted up the original OGL to help dunk on WOTC and Hasbro. Good shit

They moved the unsubscribe button and can now be sued in the EU.

@RipOffProductionsLLC

Жыл бұрын

"That... is funny." Rogal Dorn(TTS version)

"not only was this won by everyone, dare i say it everyone One DND™!"

A decade later since you didn't win was said on the old channel, and it's good to see it still being used in the best context

I love a good "you didn't win".

Wizards of the coast is that one kid that kicks the the Wii down when they lose in Mario kart

6:52 The rumour is that the economic recession and the war in Ukraine was a one-two punch for Hasbro's revenue, to the point that some stock holders pitched the idea to "rescue" WotC by making it a separate company since it was the only one that brought in the dough. This incident was the reason for the "under-monetized" quote everyone talks about, since it wasn't until WotC took the spotlight in the eyes of the investors after being the only thing that wasn't affected negatively. This is also the reason why WotC is pushing for a "media-focused" approach with making deals for movies and series while shutting down video game projects, because most investors are more familiar with cinema/Hollywood compared to video games.

@johnarcher6150

Жыл бұрын

Investors ruin everything.

@thunderborn3231

Жыл бұрын

so youre saying the issue is investors are boomers

@johnarcher6150

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderborn3231 Yes, that sums it up perfectly. Boomers are stupid and fiscally irresponsible.

8:32 The thing that makes this even funnier is that DnD/Wotc created this. There are so many rules, mechanics, and spell descriptions that are poorly written, too vague, or just not written at all. So players have been trained to scrutinize every single sentence and word in the books. It's so bad that one of the biggest rules in the DM guide is to just make up rulings as you go.

God damn it I should have bought that Pathfinder 2E book a few months ago when I had the chance, not anticipating it being sold the fuck out because of this.

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

You would've kicked yourself for not getting it on sale so it balances out

@lexofexcel886

Жыл бұрын

Archive of Nethys has your back.

@ShepherdShang

Жыл бұрын

You can buy a pdf version if you really want a copy. Paizo sells pdf's of ALL of their rule books. Something DnD has always refused to do.

@antthefool7637

Жыл бұрын

I saw it on Amazon for $50 idk if that helps or is worth it

@jojorose1947

Жыл бұрын

I second just using the wiki and buying a pdf if you really want it. none of your players will ever complain that your rules are easily accessible from their home PC.

I can’t believe it took a whole 8 mins for someone in chat to scream “what about GURPS tho??” I love my people so much ✊

@tbotalpha8133

6 ай бұрын

All 8 of you!

Pathfinder is doing so well it's impossible to find their products right now. Books are going straight from the printing press to online orders at this point.

What makes me happy, is even if Hasbro/WotC gets a Glimpse of Redemption and actually ammends this situation, it honestly seems like people are way happier with Pathfinder 2 than they were with any of the playtest for 6E. Also a bunch of content creators are finally being exposed as actual shills for WotC who lied about the rules and their experience with Pathfinder for the last few years.

WoTC: IT'S NOT LIKE I LOST B-BAKA!

「KZread Crimson」 shall erase the time where you said those swearwords!

Again, if you didn't know, the funniest thing about the Critical Role aspect of this? In their home game they were using Pathfinder, not D&D (Pat's chat brings that up). They transitioned for the stream back in the Geek & Sundry days, even had a few on camera confusion where Matt would mix up a term or correct a mechanic for a player. So. SOOOOO. They're very much playing the long game with WotC; "Boy that's a nice OGL you've got there, be a shame if we...", yeah. Yeah, they're trying to keep working with the cool people they love and not lose anyone they care about jobs, but very much can and painfully might jump ship EASY to ORC.

So. Funny thing, Sam Riegal from Critical Role was at least at one point, the ceo of Dnd Beyond. This makes this situation SIGNIFICANTLY more complicated

@Americanbadashh

Жыл бұрын

Didn't dnd beyond start as a third party though. Like they only fully acquired them within the last year-ish

@RedfenderPlays

Жыл бұрын

That was one Sam’s ad bits, he was never the CEO.

@The-toast

Жыл бұрын

@@RedfenderPlays Ahhh ya know I was worried that's where I heard it but I didnt care enough to fact check it

8:03 I like how Woolie doesn't just reflexively agree with this statement, he takes a few seconds to analyze all the other contenders in his head before deciding yep, the math checks out.

I picture the Lawyer as that Undertaker Gif.

Knights of the old republic uses the ogl. Imagine Hasbro and WOTC pulling up on disney and saying "actually we own all of that original content and we'll be taking it for ourselves."

@zaneseibert

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see another Epic vs Apple style corporate legal slap fight between Hasbro and Disney over that.

It's so nice to see Diavolo working as a video editor after losing his mafia boss job

Besides dnd I’m a big savage worlds fan. I really like how it consists of 1 core rulebook and setting books you plug in to play. I’m hoping the ogl discourse will lead to a renaissance of other tabletop rpgs so once dnd inevitably recovers it’s not as dominant on the hobby space as a whole. I’m still gonna try out dnd one once it’s out, but by then my group might find a rpg we like more.

@StarkMaximum

Жыл бұрын

Savage Worlds is EXCELLENT.

@trafficcoen

Жыл бұрын

I really need to try out Deadlands for Savage Worlds. One of my favourite TTRPG settings

Honestly, maybe this is a good thing. As much as I've loved DnD over the years, I was kind of tired of DnD being the only thing people put out content for. I love seeing other RPGs getting some spotlight. There's only so many times you can check out someone's quirky new DnD campaign.

@rikowolfin4984

Жыл бұрын

Unironically want more popular gurps content being made, literally barren in terms of media being made based on it despite it being really fun and creative.

@DragonaxFilms

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna take this opportunity to shamelessly shill for Cyberpunk. Very cool TTRPG system and world, deserves more players.

@shadowfragment

Жыл бұрын

​@@DragonaxFilms Definitely. Cyberpunk, World Of Darkness, Traveller and Hillfolk are all personal favourites of mine. EDIT: oh, and Rogue Trader.

@MUGENanaya

Жыл бұрын

tossing out Beam Saber

The cuts were a bit confusing until I realized it was to dodge youtube's nonsense. A bleep might be better because with the cut it ends up skipping. Or is this actually the video skipping?

The way Woolie says "won" activates my fight or flight. waAHWwwn

@ExaltedUriel

Жыл бұрын

Good old french Canadia

I love this. The salt is just......*chefs kiss*

King Crimson has infiltrated the podcast

@precisedime1377

Жыл бұрын

Either Woolie spilled his coffee on the editing rig during upload, or THE SICKEST STAND FIGHT is happening right outside during this session of the podcast.

I didn’t lose! I simply failed to win!

It's important to note that while wotc tried to mess around with 4e in the past and were able to go back their recent behavior have obliterated the fanbase trust in the OGL. While the OGL is in fact very solid and simple in its wording and intent, the fact they're even trying to do what they're doing makes it worthless. Personally I'm not touching a wotc product until the upper management (not the new guy they made do this to throw under the bus, but the real upper management at hasbro) are removed and a new team make their understanding of the situation clear. As that is unlikely to happen any time soon, I'm learning pathfinder rules.

@conspiracypanda1200

Жыл бұрын

At least with the 4e situation people were able to run back to 3e where the OGL could protect their fun. With WotC now trying to deauthorise the _entire OGL_ and replace it with a parasite in an OGL's skin, nowhere in the entire franchise is safe to hide. They gassed the whole complex instead of a single room and didn't expect everyone inside would move to the much safer (and unionized!) building next door.

Can confirm went to one of my local neighbor areas and they were able to order everything like else BESIDES the core player handbook had the advanced and the gamemaster but no player handbook

With the power of my stand King Crimson, I have erased your swears and jumped through them!

They can try to call it one dnd but it's 6th edition, and no even numbered DND edition is without controversy. So look forward to 7e in 2035!

Haven't been here a while, and I thought I'd check this video out. It wasn't until the last 30 seconds that I realized they had censored the clip by just cutting out any instance of swearing. I gotta say it felt weird hearing the audio just randomly jump like that. Thought the video was bugged.

Wotc literally playing the "NO U" card with tears in their eyes like a kid being bullied

The campaign im doing right now will be my last dnd campaign, regardless of how wotc “fixes” the new ogl. Im sure a lot of people are like me and just tired of their shit.

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

I switched my campaign to a new system. I told them "You take shelter from a storm in a nearby cave, you fall asleep without noticing the transport runes on the walls. When you wake up your somewhere else."

@vanconojl

Жыл бұрын

@@thelaughingrouge you sit down and close your eyes... *skyrim intro plays

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

@@vanconojl basically yeah.

@RDR911

Жыл бұрын

@@thelaughingrouge lmao holy shit that’s so lame and lazy. I’d be so pissed as a player invested in a game of a DM just bait and switched like that. That’s absolutely awful.

Jeff Goldblum: "This revolution has been a huge success! So, you're welcome and...it's a tie!"

these boardroom dipshits trying to pull all this OGL stuff is the perfect representation of the one guy at the table who sits on their phone until it's their turn and then ruins the whole fight by making terrible kneejerk decisions

Reports from WOTC creatives say the number of Beyond unsubscriptions were in the SIX DIGITS!

Castles and Crusades is even more like 5e than PF2e is. Old School Essentials has some of the best layout design in rpgs and has tons of great adventures ready to run. BFRPG is available for free in pdf including all the adventures. Call of Cthulhu has been around for nearly as long as D&D and is still popular today for a reason. And yes, GURPS is hard to get into but once you figure out which books you need to buy and wrap your head around them it’s a great system. Point is that there are many, many great options for role playing systems made by companies that don’t treat their customers like pay pigs, and Wotc is immeasurably stupid for giving their audience the push to go check out what the other guys are making.

For some reason I thought this was about the XCOM 2 war of the chosen dlc And how the Chosen always give the same salty line whenever you kill them over and over again.

Can someone PLEASE link me this Wizards response, because I can’t find it anywhere, and I’m assuming that it was taken down.

WotC actually just a metal gear solid antagonist at this point.

That was a really... weird cut at 4:52. Also... when did Pat go from "I don't know how to imagine things" to "I know all about not only D&D but lesser known indie rpg products"?

@zacharysimmons4115

Жыл бұрын

Ever since he started playing the Pathfinder games on stream he's been slowly becoming inundated with knowledge about things like it through chat and Twitter. Plus this is Pat we're talking about, if anyone is going to research a thing just so he can dunk on them even harder, it's him. And he's still rather adamant about his inability to imagine...it's a little sad, actually. He apparently thinks streaming doesn't qualify as a creative endeavour.

@KaleWhip

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharysimmons4115 I mean it doesn't... really. Not in the same vein as painting or making music. It's kind of like the difference between MST 3000 and making a movie.

@DollarinoJones

Жыл бұрын

@@KaleWhipKnow this is months late, but while I can agree Pat’s streams aren’t really art- There are a couple people using the medium for actual art. Like, Jerma or wayneradiotv at their best.

I’m just wondering how all this happened in the timeline where the doc wasn’t leaked before time. Surely the backlash when the rules stealth rolled out would’ve been twice as harsh as it is now? Did they hope they’d steal a bunch of money before getting caught, not caring about the eventual backlash/loss of money? Like, what was the long-term goal here?

what's with the weird jumps at/around 4:50 or so?

and so, with the bag in hand, i walk over to the battletech table... because i like big robots

Pat mentions it, but if anyone wants to find out specifically what and how the old and new OGL works/would work, check out Legal Eagle's video on this. It turns out that most of the "rights" given in the original OGL are rights we already would have, and the alterations to the new OGL would really only maybe affect people streaming or otherwise monetizing their playing of official WotC modules, since their claims to anything depend on Trademarks and Copyright. Original works (Homebrew campaigns, and even unofficial expansion books) will always be protected since you *cannot patent a ruleset.* He explains things better, but even if WotC goes all Draconian and releases this dumb new OGL, as long as the content you're trying to sell is just "compatible with D&D," and not directly taking anything from their trademarks or copyrights (such as characters, original creatures or monsters, or anything in that same vein) then they can't do shit about it. They had next to nothing to stand on from the start, and I can't believe they'd burn their reputation down for a desperate cash grab that was pretty much guaranteed to only grasp air from the start.

By the way, WotC's president Cynthia Williams was the financial director of Philip Morris Tobacco for 12 years.

@Canadish

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Tragic if we hurt her bottom line 👌

Does your coveted Pathfinder have Bholders or Owelbares? I had to missoelled, to avoid the wrong radars.

@Romanticoutlaw

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I mean, wotc doesn't own the concept of tentacle monsters with eyeballs or two animals mashed together. You can just convert their stats and stuff and use them in pathfinder wholesale

@cybercop0083

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@@Romanticoutlaw You mean a spaghetti-cyclops and the falconape? Off to the copyright office!!

They didn't roll a nat 1. They set the die down with a 1 faced up, and were shocked that everything blew up.

What is with the curse jump-cuts

The best way to describe this fuck up is that the Company didn't kill the golden goose so much as they burned down the barn that they lived in because they thought it would make the goose lay more eggs. Like, D&D will survive this because at the end of the day it is the progenitor of all that is RPG but so much of what made 5th so successful is pretty much gone now (because why in the fuck would you go third party for them at this point when there are other options).

I hadn't had plans to do any roleplaying any time soon, but: Not only am I now not ever going to purchase another Wizards of the Coast product, I'm going to go and buy a new set of Pathfinder rulebooks (when they're in stock again) just to support the competition, even though I had no plans to get anything RPG-related. (I probably won't play in a game with them, but (a) books are good and (b) I like reading rules systems and player manuals/monster guides/etc. Honestly my favorite part about TTRPGs is making a character.)

I don't mind muting for cursing, or a low pass bleep, but the cuts i'm not fond of

The difference between D&D and Pathfinder, at least when I tried it, is that Pathfinder characters are a bit stronger than D&D characters due to gaining more bonus feats. If you build a Pathfinder fighter for example, you'll have about double the feats of the D&D fighter around level 5.

@jojorose1947

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This is true, and there's a slightly different action economy, and many more modifiers and calculations per round. If you want D&D buy meatier P2e is the best option. Be warned though all this added complexity is reflected in combat taking significantly longer, especially if somone is playing one of the more complex classes.

@RipOffProductionsLLC

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Well, Pathfinder is badicly a branch off of D&D 3.5, which was infamous for having rules for every tiny detail spread out over its many supplements that were made for it, which was why 4th edition was so insanely simplified, it was an over correction.

There's a few visible cuts in this, any idea why?

Also I appreciate Pat pointing out that Pathfinder and D&D are very similar, but also, basically all tabletop RPGs are nearly the same. If you’ve learned one system you can probably learn any other system in less than a week. No matter where this goes, people will stay playing TTRPGs, and I think Hasbro is learning a hard lesson atm of how replaceable a bad product is in the free market.

@Americanbadashh

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Anyone who thinks basically all tabletop RPGs are nearly the same hasn't played many TTRPGs

@Mouse_Lyne

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@@Americanbadashh nearly the same in a broad sense, I said that more to set up the next sentence about how if you can learn one you could learn another quite easily. I didn’t express that very well 😅

Third party companies get away with a lot when it comes to Transformers and it is fucking awesome. There is a ton of high quality versions of characters that only have their names changed. As Woolie said, the disparity is wild in how different segments of the company are handling these kind of things. Tangentially related, but I guess since the podcasts have been a little shorter but Microsoft's lawyers have been doing something similar lately, where they are backing down hard on their prior comments such as "The FTC shouldn't even exist" to "The FTC is important" the moment they started to get some real pressure lol. Though I'm sure MS will be in the news next week, for obvious reasons.

Critical Roll will probably stay with D&D, they originally switched because P2e combat can take literal hours depending on what classes people are playing. If they go back to Pathfinder I expect them to heavily modify the rules to speed up combat.

What’s with all the jumpcuts?

"We're not owned, you didn't win" is a sentence that screams hurt pride and ego. What a stupid thing to add to a response to convey anything other than spite and pettiness.

@Canadish

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Word is one of the execs Chris Cho has assumed direct control of all the coms externally and that's why the tone has changed and gotten so butthurt.

Now that the dust has all settled I can’t help but feel the real reason wotc folded so fast was because of what pat mentioned about pathfinder literally having the exact people who wrote the original ogl at the ready to atomize wotc.

Paizo greatest

My group just started moving our D&D 5e campaign over to PF2E. Already have my cleric built. Fuck WotC. All my homies hate WotC.

The time has come and so have I. They won and so did we.

wizards with the maximum grade copium of "I won too waaaah!"

Update: shit's still sold out on backorder for months.

Anyone else noticing all the cuts? I wonder if they're censoring some of the cursing for youtube's bullshit

@NEEDbacon

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Yeah that's what's going on, by others comments.

This stirkes me very much like the shit that Games Workshop pulled not too long ago, where they tried to put a hard lock on fanmade content and proxies because they realized fanmade works were bringing in way more money (with more consistency) than their own in-house stuff. And pretty much EVERYONE (in the 40k Community especially) hated it, forcing even greats like Bruva Alphabusa to halt all Warhammer based content, whereupon he hard pivoted to World of Darkness content instead.

I thought my computer was broken. But nope it's just KZread forking them to remove every F bomb.

Man, I am really lucky I got that Fate Core book for Christmas.

@Americanbadashh

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Fate Core is good

@JageshemashFTW

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@@Americanbadashh Reading through the book, it’s _very_ different from DnD, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. The thing I’m having the hardest time wrapping my head around is just how open-ended and freeform Aspects are despite them being the core of like 75% of the game’s mechanics.

Come over to “the dark eye / Realms of Arkania / das schwarze Auge” one of the older Pen and Paper systems from Germany (you might know some of the pc and console games like Drakensang, chains of Satinav, blade of destiny, demonicon, black guards etc) if you like rolling for EVERY action and you feel like pen and paper should feel more like doing your taxes. I love it, been playing it since the 80s. Their fifth edition is actually really good, a big world with 40 Years worth of lore and there are English editions.

Wait, does RIFTS use the GURPS system?

WotC: If it wasn't for these meddling kids we would have gotten away with it!

5:20 do not cite the deep magic to me witch i was there when it was written, but for real.

WOTC Is imposing a contract on a community who look over large documents of rules for fun.

I have depicted us both as chads

11:00 IIRC Paizo was made not so much because they HATED D&D 4e, but because WotC stated they weren't going to publish anymore 3e content and the (eventual) Paizo guys were like "How about we make a bunch of 3e content for the people who prefer 3e, only we also improve the classes a bunch so non-casters aren't hot garbage?" For the record, 4e did a lot of things RIGHT but because of the shitty license Pat mentions at 11:30 the fan-made content is a lot less common. I'd argue that 4e is the BEST version of the game if you want to play a Fighter who can do cool stuff on par with the Wizard, just use the revised monster math and improved feats and you're fine.

So Paizo had been around for a while before 4e came out. And Paizo didn't make Pathfinder because they didn't like 4e (that might be part of it, it might not, Pazio was making a lot of D&D content and being able to just rewrite all that for a new edition would be pretty appealing to their board members). They made it because Paizo was licensed to make the Dungeon (for dm's) and Dragon (for players) magazines, after WoTC got all that from TSR. And then with 4e, WotC decided "No, actually, we're going to do that all in-house, as digital blogs". And THAT is the main driving force behind Paizo saying "we'll make our own D&D with hookers and blackjack" So, while 4e was actually a very good and fun game and probably my favorite edition of D&D (tied with Rules Cyclopedia), here's some big reasons it died on the vine: Pulling licenses form 3rd parties (pathfinder and such as above) Trying to create a proprietary VTT (that never got released) Severely truncating the SRD so that while the OGL was the same, it was functionally impossible to make the kinds of things you could make with the 3e system reference document (Pathfinder, Swords and Wizardry, Dungeon Crawl Classics etc) and I can't help but think this is all starting to sound very familiar