Oh, I think that's fine. They can monetize the hell out of their stuff. Every time I see what WotC is doing I'm glad we don't play any of their games. It's not like they produce the only TTRPG out there ...

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Every time they do something stupid like this I get more and more eager to finish my campaign so that I can switch systems

@dmeep

25 күн бұрын

@@misfitadventurers what is the prime candidate right now?

@Laufbursche4u

25 күн бұрын

I would suggest Pathfinder 2e. All the stuff is online for free. And with "pathbuilder" you have a tool to guide new players through character creation. The best part: It's well designed, so a newbie DM can trust the rating of a monster.

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

@@dmeep Probably PF2e. I have a lot of the books already and the system makes a lot of sense to me. I also recently got Tales of the Valiant so I'm planing to look at that as well

@conatchi8108

25 күн бұрын

@@misfitadventurers "they keep pumping out content" uhm if pf2e is going to be your next system ( I mean good choice, love the system) don't be afraid of the amount of content. Fortunately all of it is available free online so you can really choose which book you want in your collection. But yeah just a heads up, paizo puts out like double the amount of content. Thankfully pretty much everything is great though

I hope you feel better soon....

Left after OGL and never looked back. Owned a lot of books that could be shared. Basically looked. to other systems like Pathfinder 2e, ShadowDark, Dragonbane, etc... Only 5e stuff I get are from kickstarter and not official D&D. Started D&D back in the early 80's Satanic Panic, and had to buy C64 games like Pools of Radiance, Champions of krynn, etc.. due to parents freakout.

@hawkname1234

22 күн бұрын

Lots of people who lack critical thinking were fooled by the TTRPG KZreadrs who lied about the new OGL. The zeitgeist that controlled the minds of the community was something to behold, even though all of the actual facts were right there the whole time, and they were completely born out in the end. But it turns out the TTPRG community has the same critical thinking and integrity as the average QAnon rally.

I'm canceling my DDB subscription at the end of this month - the choices and business practices that Hasbro/WotC have done since the OGL issue has made me decide to vote with my dollars and sever my relationship with them. I have spent the last few months moving everything into Foundry VTT with supporting documents (PDFs) for my players. Because of this I have been able to add 9 new classes, tons of new subclasses, feats, backgrounds, spells, equipment, etc. all from third party vendors (like Kobold Press, MCDM, etc.). It has been (and still is) a lot of work but in the end I will be free of Hasbro/WotC and able to control exactly what is in my campaign's and how everything will work. Very exciting!

Shittification is happening all over. I spent the same amount of money but nothing in hasbro/wotc pockets since the OGL fiasco. I bought entire books a lot more then the individual ones since monsters and magic items was just better to have all of them but ancestries subclasses and backgrounds was handy

@Benjamin-nf2ir

25 күн бұрын

The proper term as coined by an editor at the New Yorker is, "Enshitification". Let's all use it and use it as correctly as possible so it gets into Webster's by 2025. We need this in our lexicon

I still play 5e. I have the three core books, and that is all I will ever need from WoTC. Any other needs I have can be either purchased from someone else or homebrewed. WoTC can do whatever they want and it will not affect me in any way.

@JacksonOwex

25 күн бұрын

But you ARE supporting them, no matter what you want to pretend!!!

@Privatestock10

25 күн бұрын

@@JacksonOwex How am I supporting them if they're not getting any more money from me?

@hawkname1234

22 күн бұрын

You can do whatever you want. But WotC probably didn't do the things you were brainwashed into thinking they did.

@Privatestock10

22 күн бұрын

@@hawkname1234 It's fine, my brain needed a good washing.

@hawkname1234

15 күн бұрын

@@Privatestock10 You'll probably also enjoy QAnon, StopTheSteal and Flat-Earth.

Wizards of the Coast is so far off the map, that it's insane. I am an old (old, old) school player of Magic and the amount of nonsense and RIDICULOUS crossovers they're doing with that product now is laughable. Great video, great content, hope you feel better and happy birthday!!

Their actions demonstrate their intentions. Make your informed decisions regarding their actions. Sidenote: Savage Worlds with Rippers and Weird Wars campaign settings make for a fun setting.

“Low effort Amanda” is still a lovely young woman. Thank you for the video!

lmao Dnd cries about Gate Keepers...becomes Dire Gate Keeper

I have never had a paid subscription to D&D Beyond. I do have an account, but I made my own character generator Excel spreadsheet, though it is not perfect it works & has taught me a lot about the rules by building it myself. *** Rules that many players do not realize involve ability-checks/skills & features of classes/subclasses that enhance those are for example the Bard's "Jack of All Trades" which gives half-proficiency rounded-down to all ability-checks/skills the character is not proficient in, the Champion's "Remarkable Athlete" is similar except limited to STR, DEX & CON ability-checks/skills giving half-proficiency BUT "ROUNDED-UP". Both of these features also apply to Initiative because it is an DEX ability-check. The rounding-up benefit also affects Artificers when they multiclass unlike other classes which round-down as per the "default" rule. *** These are not earth-shattering power-ups but they do impact the feel of these classes/subclasses & it is good to be aware of what the rules actually say vs. what many people guess they say.

And, yet another reason I'm not buying any more of their stuff.

So looking forwards to hearing about your Call of Cthulhu campaign!!

So glad I made the switch to Savage Worlds.

Hasbro has shown its run by the Cult of MBAs, they are just looking at columns of numbers and not seeing the effect on end users. The big $$$ is in getting Subscriptions (I blame Adobe for the spread of $ub$cription cash in). the OGL stuff has kind of a blessing as its given rise to a ton of other options: Knave, Tales of the Valiant, Dagger Heart, MCDM RPG, Bob's Delve, or the Dungeon Dudes Dungeons of Drakkenheim. Theres a ton of ways to jump off the WOTC train and most of them are supported on Roll 20 and other VTTs. Or play Pathfinder 1 or 2. Or jump to totally different systems like Savage Worlds, any of the Modiphius games: Fallout, Dune, Star Trek, Mork Borg etc. SO many options.

I pay for D&D Beyond but it's something I've always assumed would go poof when WotC decided it wanted to blow it up. It's basically a digital convenience I rent access to, reflecting the fact that my gaming is, now and likely for the future, mostly digital. Could I play without it? Sure. Did for years and years and I still do for the heavily house ruled 2E game I'm running. But it's a lot easier for us; we have more money than time now. I suggest folks think of it that way. That may mean you decide for yourself to bail on DDB. I agree about the individual purchase option, though. I used it a lot. Great content and feel better!

I don't know what they are thinking....

“Low Effort Amanda” still thought to put the hat on the guitar. So there’s that. Feel better soon!

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Maybe I should've said "Less Effort Amanda" instead 😂

@DMTalesTTRPG

25 күн бұрын

@@misfitadventurers :-D

I think their "People thinking they won would be half right, they won but also we won" actually meant "you won in the short term, but we're still going to win in the long term." I still play 5e but I'm trying to guide my groups to other systems for a full campaign. Not just because of what WotC does but because there is so much more to experience! Happy birthday, hope you're feeling better for it.

@misfitadventurers

19 күн бұрын

I completely forgot they said that... Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head. And I agree. I don't dislike the system, I just want to make sure I take the time to try other ones since there are so many out there! Thanks for the birthday wishes!

This is why my go-to game is still Star Wars. And I’m not talking about the absurd version put out by Fantasy Flight Games nor the d20 version put out by WotC. No, I’m talking about the original ancient d6 variety published by West End Games. Still the best TTRPG I’ve ever played. As for WotC and Habro limiting the creation of new home brew stuff but leaving the existing creations alone, bear in mind the words of my former drill sergeant… “The will to be stupid is a VERY powerful force.” In other words, expect the worst.

@ratatatuff

24 күн бұрын

Can't speak for Star Wars but the d6 system is truly great.

That function was the only reason I have all the player options and was sharing them with my first ever campaign as a DM, this further solidifies my choice of not buying from Beyond

I'm done with the Wizards of Hasbro. Love your content! Thx:) Oh, and have a Happy Birthday!

Great job! This is one of the best videos I've ever seen on this subject. I totally agree with everything you said. 💚👽🛸

Hang in there. Schools out, for Summer. Sing it with me. " Schooooool"s out, For Ever! " Happy Birthday! Welcome to 30.its nice here! Thanks for making me laugh through what was a a sad move by Hasbro

"Buy" digital version of books. It's actually a license with one time fee.

This was the last straw for me. I've found other games I like running better a while ago, but 5e was still the easiest to recruit players for. Then OGL happened right after my group pitched in for the Dragonlance book and board game, so I was committed to running that, but decided it would be my last 5e game. But then they backed off and I felt okay getting another year of DDB just to finish out this game. This new pricing change shows that they learned nothing and can't be trusted. I have so many other books on my shelf that I haven't been able to run yet, so I'll be okay. Also, the only way this makes sense to me is that they're going to roll out a subscription for book access. $7/mo for every book as long as your account is active, or something like that. Piecemeal purchases would undermine that. People have wanted it for a long time, but I also don't trust WotC to not eventually phase out purchased content as an option altogether.

We play 5th off line...

i have given up on WotC/Hasbro. their PR in the last two years has been nothing short of terrible: MTG 30, the Pinkerton event, the OGL debacle, the Secret Lair inanity/insanity, . . . . game mechanics cannot be copyrighted. therefore, i have been developing my own ttrpg system and campaign world, and flatly ignoring all content from the most recognizable brand in the field. and it's going wonderfully. my Sunday night game table is an absolute blast.

Amanda, you are awesome.

They raised the price of playing Magic: The Gathering to ridiculous levels but the whales keep buying. I expect they will quash the ability to bypass fees by purchasing homebrew imitations.

It took me a while to get my head around PF2e but hot damn I can't imagine going back to 5e now.

For me personally, I look to other games like Dragonbane, Mork Borg, Shadowdark, etc. We're too spoiled for choice for me to care about if something is official D&D these days. Plus, I prefer physical books over digital, so Beyond was never really for me. If I wanted to play 5E, I would just buy the PHB and Monster Manual and whatever other books piqued my interest. I don't think 5E is that fun to DM though, and I'm my group's DM. I get the draw to the fun character builds, but BG3 can deliver a lot in that department.

Never used the feature but think it was a great deal since all the money spent would be discounted from the book purchase. I never paid for DDB and since the OGL crisis have played mostly DCC and a little Pathfinder.

Fiduciary responsibility to shareholders trumps all concern for consumers in a crony capital system

@crimfan

25 күн бұрын

Old TSR and, especially, Williams-era TSR were also pretty money-grubbing, though they were privately held. Some of the shenanigans they got up to back in the day are pretty legendary. Read Slaying the Dragon for many examples.

Haven't paid for things on D&D Beyond for fear that things would go away at any point, now I definitely won't pay for things there because I don't trust doing business with them.

Refused to buy anything D&D related starting with the OGL, especially after the Spelljammer content really left a sour taste in my mouth. Dragonlance was kind of the first post-OGL content I looked at, and as someone who was introduced into the fantasy genre by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's Dragonlance novels growing up, it had been such a massive disappointment that I was ultimately glad I never purchased the 5e Dragonlance adventure. Honestly, it might've broken me on a fundamental level had I paid for that only to be backhanded so hard. I continued to run D&D up until my Strahd Campaign went on hiatus, and later termination, due to one of the players (small party) having severe, prolonged medical issues. I had been considering trying to maybe be a player again and apply for a 5e posting online or whatever, but with this most recent misguided cashgrab they pulled with dndbeyond, I'm pretty sure the only way that I will ever touch D&D branded content again is if I'm adapting it for homebrew use in Pathfinder, or if a close friend of mine wants to run a game and is unable to choose an alternate system for whatever reason.

I’m more annoyed than angered, to be honest, though I agree it’s a bit iffy to do something like that without announcing it; I made plans to purchase all the monsters and feats and such from each digital copy as I already have all the books from before 2023, but it looks like those plans are shot to the Nine Hells.

Thank you for sharing your opinions. Hoping you will feel better soon. 👍🏻 I am thinking about leaving D&D right now. I do think the greener pastures are already preparing for the TTRPG players because other great systems are under the construction. 😊 I am especialy excited for DC20 system from The Dungeon Coach. It is awesome homebrew combination of the best from the D&D and the Pathfinder. 👍🏻

I was thinking about using DNDB when the next edition came out. I didn’t for fifth bc I had already bought physical books and refused to buy twice. But with the a la cart option, I figured with a new edition, it’s a good idea. Not now. Enough websites “review” the rules that you don’t really have to buy. I would buy physical books and use the web for speed or to not bring a ton of books places. But there was never a point when I would buy a campaign book for a new race, not will I start now.

I had bought the 5e core rulebooks on discount before the OGL and I am not throwing them out because WOTC put their heads up their asses. But I have a tool giving me all of 5e's content without microtransactions so I am strictly 3rd party. 3rd party has better books anyway.

Happy Birthday

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Thank you!

I’ve been running my campaign through DnD Beyond since the pandemic started, as one of my friends had to use the app.

It baffles me when people are surprised I fill out a character with pencil and paper. I understand many people never purchased physical books and they are only into screen time but even the people I know that purchased of lot of Pathfinder within the last 15 years considered it admirable that I could do everything myself instead of using a program to make character sheets.I am not a big fan of 5e but I wanted to see what Hasbro & WotC's was up to now. I still play Magic the Gathering but more and more I think to myself I should buy ink for my printer instead of cards. I have a very strong collector side of me takes pride in my collection of old cards at the top of playability from the first few years and I have no desire to get rid of them but I have so much less interest in China n to being to buy the expensive stuff from newsets.

Have you posted music anywhere? I see the guitar and keyboard and I'm curious. New here.

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Welcome! I did a song on this channel a while back called "Amazing" and I've composed some stuff for my campaigns, but that's all as far as this channel is concerned. My main job is working as a music teacher

I recall you were looking into switching to Pathfinder 2e when the OGL mess was going on. Does this make you more likely to switch to that or one of the other systems?

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Definitely! Really the only big hold up is that the campaign I'm running isn't finished yet. Once it's done I really want to try out a few systems and see if the table is up for a change

Doesn't matter to me, as I also dropped D&D Beyond. However, I wonder if it was a response to the backlash of Cynthia Williams saying D&D is under monetized and wanting more micro-transaction like video games. So, they were thinking "Oh, they don't want micro-transactions. So, let's take them away." Without considering what people actually do like and what they don't.

MicroTransactions are only annoying when you either have to pay for a service *and then* pay for "extra" features as well, *or* when the service/content is "free," but useless without content that is in fact behind a paywall. From what I remember, D&D Beyond *was* neither, but now... who knows.

Buy owlin race, and Silvery Barbs spell. Yeah. That's it from that book. Your DM will probably ban flying races.

I started getting into Pathfinder 2E before the whole OGL thing happened, but the OGL debacle definitly made me want to avoid D&D all together at this point, minus the 1 D&D game I'm still a part of. It will definitly require some struggle to be talked into another D&D game at this point.

Trust & stability atr vital to a subscription service. Why would you pay if you never know what you're opening your window to?

@misfitadventurers

25 күн бұрын

Exactly. At the very least, the individual purchasing gave people a clear idea of what was in the book without them having to find a physical copy and look through it

Well said!

Homebrew content will be gated behind premium subscriptions on the excuse that people are posting homebrew material that duplicates their classes/items.

Hope you feel better soon and get back to a normal routine.

The fact that Hasbro has declared that they want to primarily become a digital content creator that ALSO sells toys signifies to me that they could care less about ttrpgs -- they already killed their deal with Random House for publishing physical stuff and their trend seems to me to be to minimize physical products ( which have been increasingly lacklustre). They want the future to be 100% digital, using their VTT and other tools, and basically use the weight and marketing value of the Dungeons &Dragons name to channel money into a totally different social and consumer activity. More and more I'm supporting independent ttrpg creators and content creators because of this and have reverted back to older editions of D&D with house rule modifications gleaned from later editions. Chris Cox SUCKS.

Haven't given WotC a red cent since OGL Fiasco. I even avoid their official KZread and social media accounts so as not to give them ad revenue and engagement. Sometimes I slip up when they do something really stupid. But I can find archived versions if I need to. I encourage an Abbie Hoffman-style anti-corporate strategy when dealing with WotC.

Lol, I remember running CoC with no corebook for years, that is how awesome the BRP system is,, I had a couple companion books, and this was all the way back in the Old Days, lol As for Hasbro/wotc, yep the suck, saw this coming ...fortunately, converted everything to my favorite system

What are WotC, the Telly Tubbies..? Again, again!

Im more suprised this didnt happen sooner. And while I still play 5e Im suffering from some sever 5e Fatigue. So my secondary group has been playing other systems for a year and its been amazing. Hope you'll have fun with the CoC book. its a fun game. Alot of reading but still fun. And if this was low effort.. dare I ask whats considered high effort? and Welcome to the 30s ;)

The fan boys thought they won- they just delayed the enemy - too much money on the table for Hasbro to “walk away “ - the sharks are back ….

Feels like Hasbro are getting a little desperate at this point.

Bar you from seeing other people home brew but they have to let you modify or people will stop using.

I am sure there is a non zero cost to maintain the a la carte system. I imagine they think they're saving money in payroll hours or by laying off programmers.

@fortunatus1

25 күн бұрын

I expect this is probably the answer too. But I've never understood why people in the US and Canada think that public corporations are not supposed to act like public corporations. They will always do what is in their own financial interest, not in yours. If those interests align, great all around! If not, then that's just another day in capitalism. It's so odd that people get upset by this like they aren't expecting it.

Imagine a day when people quit supporting companies that couldn’t care less about them.

Happy birthday.

@misfitadventurers

22 күн бұрын

Thank you! ❤️

Don’t make the assumption that Wizards and Hasbro are different entities- in practical terms, they are not If I remember correctly, the head of digital sales has openly said that his mission statement is to gut DnD Beyond in favor of whatever corporate micro transactions mojo he has in mind… They only slowed their plan due to the OGL fiasco; they cut 5E loose and are only bringing out this 2024 version to satisfy contractual obligations from when they acquired DnDB. 2025/26 will see a new “forever” edition behind a paywall, with all of DnDB fully integrated into it.

A fool and his money are soon parted. A good quote for anyone still buying WotC's garbage products.

Definitely agree about it being a dumb financial decision. Before, they had a whole microtransaction thing going, which can end up leading to more overall profit for them in the long run. Sure, that whole scheme can be manipulative and subtle, but it'd end up with them overall selling more while keeping the community's perception of them (OGL debacle notwithstanding) positive overall. But no, they'd rather get rid of that to sell the whole books and piss off the entire community. Definitely gonna be checking out PF2e and TotV now, because goddamn, WotC and Hasbro are being greedy assholes.

Sick AND 30?! Don't sweat your 30th - you've never looked better! Gotta agree with all of this... the DnD Beyond subscription is almost useless at this point, but, I'm sure, like me, you've spend so much money there already that I'll need to keep that account forever. What am I supposed to do - NOT have access to the Curse of Strahd campaign and the ability to pull all that content into FoundryVTT?! Insanity!

I think getting users to drivethrurpg or something like that would be better for them.

Same here, I ditched D&DBeyond last year because of the OGL. Which is a shame, I loved their character creator, and I haven’t found a character creator that I like. :) But I’m not going to support Hasbro ever again! (And they can ask Sony how long a grudge I can keep, I still haven’t forgiven them for the Sony Rootkit Scandal, when they ruined my pc)

like you I dropped Hasbro last year. Doing so broke my blinders off and now I have been surfing over all the 3rd party games like Shadowdark or deathbringer. I even purchased tales of the valiant kickstarter and now I read it and will probly never play it.

I'm so fucking tired of corporate greed. What aren't they getting about the average fan/player not wanting to or being able to spend *that* much on their hobbies?! How long can we all exist in late-stage capitalism? I left ddb as soon as I could after the OGL debacle. I did go back at the lowest paid tier because I can't not make all of the characters in my head. I used the a la carte option *so* many times. And I'm never going to buy a whole digital manual from them.

I kept my D&D Beyond account. I did down grade to the free tier. I will be buying the physical PHB and the digital version as well. Yes, Hasbro has been f@cking up.

I went be leaving but I def wing be buying anything else. Fek that. I'll keep my minimum sub because we all use it

BULBASAUR!

When the overall revenue drops, they will bring back the individual purchases and the greedy Suit who instituted this policy will get fired. Know your customers! I just feel bad for the content creators caught in the middle.

I get RPG stuff through Drive Through RPG.

@JacksonOwex

25 күн бұрын

Yeah? Guess who you're supporting if you buy any D&D product?

@chrissimpson1183

25 күн бұрын

@@JacksonOwex If you buy a 3rd party one you are not giving WOTC much support.

@ratatatuff

24 күн бұрын

@@JacksonOwex Easy, just don't buy a D&D product. DriveThruRPG is full of great games. I still buy physical books when I can. But my money goes to System Matters, Uhrwerk and Pegasus (all German publishers). I never even played 5e and have left DnD after AD&D 2. Never looked back.

Once a game starts nickel and diming gamers, I’m out. I bought the D&D books but I stopped using D&D beyond as soon as I saw they were going to make me buy the electronic versions of the physical books I already bought. They’ve just turned me off with the greed.

Wym “again”? Like they ever stopped

I would honestly not be surprised if they are intentionally making dndBeyond worse to get people to switch to their new onednd vtt thing when that comes out.

Haven't bought anything on beyond since OGL?? Wow actual integrity if only other WotC product pushing and site visiting content creators did the same...avengers assemble my ass lmao

"Welcome to Domino's. How can I help?" "I'd like a large Pepperoni. I'll share it out amongst my family." "I'm sorry. Domino's pizzas are undermonetised. You and all your family will have to buy their own large pizza." WOTC & Hasbro have zero idea who their customers are. I use 5e but have never used D&D Beyond. Amazon and Adobe ruined my trust of subscriptions. You never own anything. It's a rip off. Screw WOTC/Hasbro. Go OSR, RuneQuest, Symbaroum, or Dragonbane. There's no law saying you can't use these rules in FR, Eberron, or any other proprietary world.

Well it’s WotC/hasbro so I’m not surprised. I won’t support them anymore. Yes the don’t care about their customers!

I'll say it again here, but if they would have done the reverse, everyone would be griping about micro transactions and saying they are trying to nickel and dime us... The fact is that this isn't worse than any other marketplace. So at worst, they are equal to everyone else. And there are probably some reasons behind it that could be technical as far as trying to manage the new ruleset, between having to manage individual purchase of 2014 battle master and 2024 battle master, etc. I think you are blowing it all out of proportion. Now if they start messing up with sharing or homebrewing, then I would have issues with that...

Anyone here remember when songs came on CDs and tapes and such? This is the same BS wrapped in another coat. I just want the one good option (song), not the 10+ garbage options that you are desperate to sell with it.

Play shadowdark its way better