One thing it might be nice to clarify, is you cannot just straight up upgrade your Gen 2 router with the new gen 3 router, because the Gen 3 router does not have the POE injector to power the dish. So if you have the rectangle dish with a Gen 2 router, and you want to add the gen three router, you still have to use your Gen 2 router to power the dish and use the ethernet adapter to connect to the new router. Which at that point you might as well just use something not Starlink

@rudyk5524

6 ай бұрын

Thank-you for adding this very important information. Really surprised this wasn’t discussed in the video. Good job.

@arcademan-ox3pv

2 ай бұрын

weird! So how does that work? Is there a setting to disable the gen 2 router from a transmitting and push that to Gen 3? Again if so why not just get a seperate router for less $$$?

Thanks as always. Have both initial form factor and square dishes and the gen1 and gen2 routers respectively. Gen2 router really disappointed me. No out of the box capacity to use own stack pained me. It’s taken decades but almost all ISP’s allow this now wherever you are in the world. Gen2 Starlink router was a huge step back (probably for data collation reasons to offset certain and wider infrastructure costs). I run an I.T. MSP and IP telephony company in the U.K. and this new release leaves me warm and fuzzy inside.

Great video. I always appreciate in-depth looks at hardware refreshes like this. Manufacturers don't do nearly a good enough job with hardware refresh changelogs. I'm sure their ad men have something to say about that. :P Glad to see you back. I was a bit concerned not to see new videos from you for a while, but then I saw your video about the FreePBX hack. I'm sure that took up more time than I can guess. :(

Wifi6 does not have a larger frequency band then wifi5. People need to stop saying it does. Wifi6E does, which incorporates the 6Ghz frequencies bands.

@johnpoldo8817

8 ай бұрын

Range and speed are closely linked so it’s difficult to separate them. WiFi 5 at 75 ft through 3 walls/floors has about the same speed as WiFi 6 at 100+ ft. Or, put client at same range and WiFi 6 speed is at least 30% faster.

@bertjedekat

7 ай бұрын

​@@johnpoldo8817is the energy increased for wifi6 vs wifi 5 ? (Energy per meter)

@factsforlife0O0

6 ай бұрын

You don't know what your saying

@youdontneedmyrealname

6 ай бұрын

​@@johnpoldo8817 my comment specifically addresses the frequency bands, not the speed of the link and/or physical range from the access point. I have corrected the specificity of my original comment.

@TheTechnoPilot

5 ай бұрын

@@youdontneedmyrealnamepretty sure it does increase the permitted size of the 5GHz channels to wider frequency bands per channel.

Great review! Thx for the info on the updated router!

Wifi 6 does not give you more spectrum, Wifi 6E does.

Great video Chris!

I have a Gen 1 dish connected directly to my own router, no Starlink router used. Works fantastic. Yes I lose the Starlink app interface but once the dish is setup, not much of a loss

@Holshot14

8 ай бұрын

How do you do that? I have a UDM pro after the Gen 1 starlink router and want to delete it.

@briancramer6376

8 ай бұрын

Unplug your Starlink router from the cat 5 connection on the power brick and plug your other router into the power brick. That’s it. You will lose the app connectivity with the dish but it’s been working great since beta for me.

@bremiles5248

7 ай бұрын

Same, GEN 1, I use an eero mesh network Pro 6, with 7 wireless units spread across a property. No issues... a few more satellites would help connectivity., It covers more than 2 acres.

I just ordered a new Starlink dish kit this week. It's coming with the Gen 2 router and I ordered the external Ethernet adapter since I will be using my existing UniFi infrastructure.

I just revived my Starlink package today in Germany and I still received the Gen 2 router.

Great video and helpful! With a Gen 1 dish, I was really hoping to upgrade, but being in Canada, it's not available here yet. Guess I just need to wait a little longer.

thank you very info!!

This is a nice change. I just installed a gen 2 for a customer two weeks back. Didn't realize you needed to buy the ethernet accessory 😤

@Hoopsaz5

8 ай бұрын

Its a messy and awful solution isn't it :(

@DozIT

8 ай бұрын

So stupid! A client of mine uses Starlink solely as a failover connection. Was annoyed when I found out we need to buy an accessory for it.

@vaylein

8 ай бұрын

And because it is directly, and electrically in-line with the dish, it’s far more susceptible to copping surge/lightning damage. Sh*thouse design!

A Gen2 router works as a passthrough into a Ubiquiti mesh system. I'll park here for a while (set and forget). The elusive ethernet dongle was purchased from Ebay after months of waiting for Starlink to ship. It's been 1+ year in queue.

Thanks for the video, great details but please advise how can i get this Gen 3 router? Is it possible to order the Dishi with the Gen 3

Looks like theres a post about the gen 3 router on the "Starlink Hardware" site, and it turns out it can't replace a gen 2 router, so you still need to connect it to the gen 2 using an ethernet adapter. Definitely worth a read.

When you plug the router into your power source in the USA is the power cord 110v plug or a transformer to lower the power to hopefully 12v. I cannot find that information anywhere.

I feel like you may have missed the best change! See 2:40 - is that a standard ethernet port for the dish? I think so... So, no SPX plugs anymore? FINALLY! 😁

I just got my starlink today and it came with a gen 2 router.

If it comes with a plug in transformers.. its a game changer for off grid living and RV. This gets it away from removing the modem router and adding multiple adapters to power the dish. However I can't find out what the input to the router is, say if its 24v dc it will still need a 12v dc to 24v dc adapter. Hopefully its 12v dc to simplify everything!!

Nice if you get it as a new package. But a Unifi Dream Router costs the same and has more options, and Unifi APs are cheaper than a 2nd or 3rd box from Starlink. I never used my Gen1 router and built out a Unifi network, and now I have brand new fiber, so my dish is unpowered on the roof now as the extra cost of the long fiber run from the road will pay for itself with a lower cost 1Gbps service. Starlink worked great, but I'm not going to be "that guy" who has it just because and preventing someone who is waiting from getting online.

Seems to me that in your closing summary you missed discussing the most compelling use case to do this upgrade to the Gen 3 - being if you have the Gen 1 with the round Dishy. The Gen 1 router does have an Ethernet port (in the brick) but has a shockingly small WiFi range, no mesh capability, etc. So the Gen 3 would be a very significant upgrade for those of us with the original kit.

I would love to know if port forwarding is possible with the Gen 3 Router.

Most users only care about "does it increase my internet speed?" Usually the speed limiter is starling / other ISP.

Weird how they didn’t just jump to WiFi 6E. Even the new iPhones support that standard.

@Zgamer328

8 ай бұрын

Maybe because not every country starlink serves has 6GHz availability, but I can only guess

@KarlMeyer

8 ай бұрын

@@Zgamer328 Your dead right. I forgot about that.

@youdontneedmyrealname

8 ай бұрын

Wifi 6E speeds/frequency ranges are much higher then what Starlink is really meant for. I can see them adding it in their higher models for like maritime and business class installments but not for the standard version. Until dishy can supply 500Mbps or higher speeds consistently there's really no point.

@markarca6360

8 ай бұрын

The original version supports only Wi-Fi 6, not 6e, according to its original specifications.

@markarca6360

8 ай бұрын

​@@Zgamer328Correct, it depends on the FCC counterpart on that country. 6 GHz is still a licensed frequency in some counties.

Looks like this has been out for over 6 months. Why did I just get the email? Maybe because I got my Starlink less than 1 year ago after waiting over 2 years to get it at a higher price than I originally signed up for! Thank you Elon and Starlink for treating me so fairly.

Thanks! Have you thought about doing a video on Static IP options for Starlink users? My brain melts whenever I start looking into the various ways that we can do this. Would a Cloudflare Tunnel work somehow? I know enough to break my network 🤣

How do you hook the ooma to the starlink router, do u just connect the Ethernet cable from the ooma to the router ethernet port

I just got the gen 3 router today as well as the "standard" dish so yes the dishes are now coming with the new router. This was an early access invitation though. I had an old gen1 round dish and gen1 router which I will retire. In that configuration I just went straight from the power brick to my UDM Pro and didn't even user their router. I have all the Unifi access points I need so I will probably not use their wifi. Running from the ethernet port to the WAN of UDM Pro seems to work fine. I suppose I could somehow use the Starlink Wifi but I am not enough of a network guy to know how. If you have suggestions as to how I could incorporate it to my Unifi network I would appreciate it because it is WiFi 6

If starlink had a cheaper plan to be used as a backup link I would get one for sure.

@ImFieldy

3 ай бұрын

in NZ last week they announced a half price plan - now $75/month as opposed to $150 but the speed is reduced.

hi Chris, where can I get your TCP/IP t-shirt?

The pictures seem to show an ethernet connection for the dish, which would make it compatible with the round dish, not the rectangular dish. Are they going to have multiple versions? Adapters? How will someone with a rectangular dish Gen 2 upgrade to this Gen 3?

I just ordered the new Dish. I had Gen1 but sold it to a buddy who installed in on a sailboat. what I did not see in this video is the new kickstand style Dish overview/assessment. Is there anything significant about the new dish that is beneficial? better penetration though partial sky obstruction or improved tracking? this dish does not look like it has a motor so curious.

Can the gen 2 routers be used as mesh routers for the gen 3 system?

what is the upgrade path for Gen2. Do I need to keep the gen2 router to power the dish and buy the dongle to connect the 3rd gen router. What a cobbled up mess that would be.

I see it says triband, it’s 2.4GHz and 2x 5GHz radios. Should I assume it will use one of the 5GHz radios for the mesh backhaul like Netgear does with Orbi?

Do I need this if I use a different mesh system or do I need a WiFi 6 Starlink router to get WiFi 6 for my google mesh

gen3 is still not available on their website, they are still offering gen 2, atleast here in the Philippines

Can I run a Ethernet cable directly to my smart tv from the v3 Starlink router

if im Orbi 6 Pro mesh system.....would it make any sense to switch to this or keep what i have. I feel like what im using is going to be better but not 100%. I have the 1st generation dish and using my own equipment, ive honestly never used starlinks routers.

I have the gen 2 starlink and router...will the gen 3 router work with the gen 2 dish

Hey is this new box SNMP capable?

I have the rectangular dish with the generation 2 router. With other internet systems I would put the supplied router in bridge mode and then use my own Netgear router. However, with Starlink that did not work well. I put the Starlink router in bypass mode, and got some odd results. Although my Negear router did get an external IP address, even with my computer connected directly to the Netgear wifi, when I Googled 'whatismyip' I would get the original Starlink router IP not the one my Netgear router displayed. Also all my port forwarded cameras were not accessible from an external connection(or even internal connection if using the Starlink router) . Now I understand that I cannot do port forwarding on the Starlink router but why does it not work when the Starlink router is bypassed? I finally gave up and put the Starlink router in normal mode. This would be a deal breaker for me if I could get decent internet speed any other way.

Would have been nice to discuss about how the antenna connects? Shows another RJ45 on the picture but no other details? As this would be another massive shift to using "normal" connections.

Does the Gen3 router support port forwarding? Would be great as it would allow us to view the DVR for the cameras while away.

@FrequentVirtue

7 ай бұрын

Use dynamic DNS with a Netgear router. Problem solved.

I believe you said you could hardwire them as access points. Did I hear your correctly? I. If so, way better that them connecting between mesh points wirelessly. Is that done through ethernet backhaul?

I just bought a Starlink. It arrived two days ago (Jan 9, 2024). It is still a Gen 2 dish and Gen 2 router.

@campingjack75

4 ай бұрын

I did the same thing. thinking of returning it to Home Depot now that they have the Gen 3 and I haven't setup my Gen 2 yet. not sure though

@TomBTerrific

Ай бұрын

Makes you feel special doesn’t it! Thank you Starlink!

I want to see a video how connect a third party mesh router like to-link or d-link with gen2 and gen3.

were planning to order starlink.. we live way out in the middle of nowhere., it says we have access when i check the availability. (northwest kansas.. close to nebraska). i checked on the order which model it says would be sent if we order it. it says gen5. so. right as of this very moment.. its not shipping with 6 yet. soooo.. i think i will wait till i see that change before we order. =D

Starlink ethernet adapter w/ switch along with wireless access points ... problem solved and cheaper than $199 🤫

Looks like a rj45 connector for the connection from the dish. I’m assuming you need a new cable (or hack the old one) to use with V2 dish. Does the router use the x-swapped wiring like the v2 cable?

@LONGBOW

8 ай бұрын

Looks like you will still need V2 router and an Ethernet adapter to use the V2 square dish with the V3 router. Plug the dish into Ethernet adapter and plug the Ethernet adapter into V2 router set to bridge. Then plug the V3 router into the Ethernet port on the adapter. Very disappointing that the V3 router doesn’t have a power supply to power the V2 dish, and doesn’t even have the proprietary connection to connect the V2 dish.

@Cascade1911

8 ай бұрын

So no POE on gen3? As I’ve already dispensed with the Gen 2 router so I’d probably not bother with the gen 3 but wonder how / if they are going to offer new v2 dishes with gen 3 routers?

You spoke nothing of gen 1 users? I setup a gen 1 system with UniFi dream pro and 6 access points for my fire department. The starlink drops out sometimes and I have century link as a back up. Problem is normally when starlink comes back on the dream machine doesn’t automatically switch back.

Got my set up last week and it's still the gen2.😢 Yeah i wished it was the Gen 3

I've got a Unifi network fed by Starlink v2 with the $20 ethernet dongle. I see no reason to "upgrade". I'm still using Wifi 5 access points and have more than enough bandwidth for home use. On a really good day Starlink gives us 140Mbps and Wifi 5 has no problem keeping up with that. If I want high speed I run cat6.

@okememe

8 ай бұрын

Hey! Question for OP and crosstalk. I'm looking to do the exact same with my gen 2 to a udr. Have you had any issues? I've heard from some that it can cut out every 3 hours due to some CGNAT / DHCP lease issue (apparently it won't reconnect when the dish loses signal and then regains it). Starlink has been a game changer for me as I live in an area with really poor fibre/4G coverage but really want to use a different router so I can make use of VLANs and have improved privacy/security.

I was expecting for more information about antenna gain... if had.

Will these availible to new users? Still thinking of switching to starlink. Still on the fence.

@SOLACE_Vibe_Rater

8 ай бұрын

Just saw the rest of the video, should've waited till the end lmao.

Only thing keeping me from going to Starlink is there is no Static IP option that I know of.

Unfortunately, Gen 3 is currently only available with Business or Roaming accounts. Personal is still Gen 2 with Wi-Fi 5.

Has anyone ordered the kit recently and received the new gen 3 router?

So does that mean I can use Ubiquiti NaNostations to PTP to my barn?

Not rolled out in PH

Price of residental went up for 150e in europe, dont know why

Damn, I think that I just got screwed. I just purchased 2 new starlink kits for my parents and brothers places last week. I bought the kits and the additional ethernet adaptor. They are at the post office, I will be picking them up Monday, so can't confirm that they are gen 2, but thats what was showing. I ordered them on the 16th Oct. I'm dissapointed, Gen 2 is just a pain with the ethernet adaptor bs, I've had to set that up before into a unifi rack, stupid that u need to have the router and the stupid ethernet adaptor al jammed into a shelf in a rack, its a mess.

@johnpoldo8817

8 ай бұрын

Try to return it and order the newer one if time permits.

@Hoopsaz5

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunatly I can't delay install, plus there isn't any option for a gen 3 router in the shop yet in Australia. I havent got any email about it yet either. @@johnpoldo8817

What we need is how fast it is and what's the latency ping and why only -30*C In Canada we get often to -40*C or even lower close to -50*C Why risking switching to starlink if it will freeze.

@tyteasdale9533

6 ай бұрын

Hey you can enable an option on your Starlink account to have your dish constantly heat itself for snowmelt and such. I think its like 50w-75w power draw. It comes pre-configured to auto-heating when it needs it but like I said you can turn it on constant. Melts 1.5" of snow per hour. I have a friend in Alaska with near identical temps that has Starlink and I've heard no issues mentioned from him.

Would there be a way for you to do a video on if it is possible to use starlink with unifi talk? I just purchased a unifi talk phone and have all unifi equipment but there is no way to receive incoming calls to unifi talk. Outbound works fine. Love all your videos!

Need to be a little careful here though. Do we know that one of the ethernet ports can be used as a real WAN port? Or does connecting a third party router create a double NAT?

@CrosstalkSolutions

8 ай бұрын

3rd party router with Starlink ALWAYS creates double NAT - that's just the nature of the beast.

@FrequentVirtue

7 ай бұрын

Depends on how you configure your 3rd party router.

I heard gen 3 is only for the first generation Starlink dish

as long as it takes to get a dish if you order today till you get it the GEN 5 will be out.

you actually don't need the Starlink router at all, I have a Gen2 and just use a Starlink to Ethernet converter plug and plug the dish straight into my own WAN port and it works fine.

@tyteasdale9533

6 ай бұрын

Seriously? That's pretty cool, I'm suprised and especially assuming the self-adjust satelite function works.

after having the original dish since the BETA days I cancelled the service all together. It stopped making sense to have.

$99 a month is waaaay too expensive for me to begin with...and I live in the sticks; not even next to a town; I can get LOS shot internet bounced to where I am for $40 a month; sure it's only about 1MB/s average with peak of 3MB/s during off hours, but that is very manageable when you don't want to drop a full tank of gas on top of having internet.

I guess no download/upload bandwidth increase..

I really don't like the SL network equipment. And it's very frustrating that your ip is natted for the price you pay. I have a bit of a love-hate thing for SL.. but it's one of the very few options here.

I have gen2 with the ethernet adapter connected to Unifi. I cannot see the benefits I would receive since I only use it as a passthrough. I guess I get to keep my $200. Thanks but no thanks Elon.

I am waiting with my order until I get a gen 3 router incl.. Elan you Hear me , new setup with gen 3 router when ever your sleepy heads are ready

No without technical data that supports it.

2 months in and my gen 3 router bricked.

No I will not upgrade. This is why I went with a 3rd party mesh. I have VPN, Dynamic DNS and can keep running Starlink till the dish dies.

Omg

Too much speculation in this video to make it valuable

Nope, I will stick to my Ubiquiti network infrastructure.

Oh god why would you buy an entire router to just be a repeater?

Why would anyone want to pay multiple hundreds of dollars for internet and equipment, the only way this seems useful is to someone who has no other options for internet instead as it's the most expensive internet I've ever seen

@johnbankston72

5 ай бұрын

You underestimate how many people live in rural areas where SL is their only option for fast Internet.

@jnielsen90

5 ай бұрын

Actually I underestimate you're ability too bother looking into other satellite internet services, which everyone I've ever looked up is cheaper then Starlink.....and being Satellite you should be able to pick and choose which provider you want to use, so why would you choose the most expensive one that also makes you install the equipment yourself on top of it? Xplore, Ground Control, Galaxy, etc are all cheaper. Do you have a smart phone with internet whereever you are? Then you have the ability to have fast internet for you're computer too, it's just obviously one of the providers of internet to youre area isnt bothering to provide it or the infrastructure as it's not profitable for them....yet theyll try to block anyone else from providing it to you either, cable and internet companies are some of the worst crooks in business out there as European countries have faster internet service then us in Canada and USA and pay less then we do for it @@johnbankston72

Why would you need this wifi 6 as this is 5G and you will not need it in a RV or on a BOAT