Hey Adam, my dad used to say, "never try to save money in engine design, save money by firing an overpaid executive". Dad was a Navy man.

@etoineschrdlu9382

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a design engineer. God save us from executives who *understand cost reduction* but do not understand why a design team might specify an expensive component when a seemingly similar component is available at lower cost. I saw our head of purchasing explode when we were paying the manufacturer *ten times* the list price for an LED. He went to an LED wholesaler and "saved" us money. What he didn't know was that the product would not work unless the LED produced a very narrowly specified frequency range, a range *narrower* than anything any manufacturer made. Our manufacturer was hand testing and selecting *only* the LEDs that were within our engineering spec ( about 1 out of 1000 produced) and charging us for their guaranty that the LEDs were within our spec. It took us a year to figure out why this product was failing final test 100% because the cheap LED's looked *exactly* like the expensive ones!

@eddstarr2185

2 жыл бұрын

@@etoineschrdlu9382 Honestly, Etoine Schrdlu, first I wanted to cry but then I wanted to laugh - ended up doing both! 👍👍

@etoineschrdlu9382

2 жыл бұрын

@@eddstarr2185 I know what you mean, but I see this all the time. My company makes scientific instruments: some of the most accurate, stable, and repeatable instruments of their kind. But our production volumes are low and our margins are very sensitive to market fluctuations, so we design using tricks like buying components that aren't as accurate as we'd like, but then we test and calibrate them until they meet our accuracy specs. We'll design special circuitry, firmware, and software to compensate for the inevitable variation of these components. Yes, we sometimes have to give each instrument personalized calibration coefficients to compensate for component variations. We have had to compensate for lens materials whose light transmission changes with age. Combine that with LEDs that dim with age, light detectors whose sensitivity changes with age and you wind up with Chemists, Physicists, and Engineers (Software, Firmware, Mechanical and Electrical) who are constantly tearing their hair out chasing an accuracy specification. And then the purchasing department buys a cheaper component without telling anyone.

@garyh.8082

2 жыл бұрын

@@etoineschrdlu9382 Yep, A perfect example of tripping over dollars to save dimes... But that bean counter got promoted, and a few years later the people left behind were trying to figure out a way to make things work with less resources because they were trying to save money.

@Nockowaki

2 жыл бұрын

The sales and finance guys can ruin a company when put in leadership positions!

A good friend of mine was the parts manager at the local Oldsmobile dealership. He took me back in the parts room and showed me 10 wooden crates with replacement diesel engines. The dealership sold ten cars with diesel engines and they were in stock to replace the engines under warranty planning on 100% failure rate.

@pl7868

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@willymccoy3427

2 жыл бұрын

I worked at a GMC truck dealer back then and GMC used that engine in pickups. We always had one in the shop for an engine replacement. Customers kept asking us to just put a gas engine in their trucks, but under GM warranty, we could only replace the engine with the same engine.

@andrewallen9993

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an air cooled vw parts store. Only those engines would be recons ready for exchange at 100 000 miles!

@sumbeech1484

2 жыл бұрын

Cheek, GM= Great Mistake ! Guess dabbling in diesel powerplants was a path they should've avoided !

@robertjones1709

2 жыл бұрын

Worked on at least 6 Cadillac DeVilles with the HT (hook n' tow) 4100's, found if they hadn't enough oil changes yep the Camshaft would wear rapidly...due to Oil not making it back down in the Crankcase! With a slight amount of Sludge...GM expected the oil to drainback right where the Headbolts attached no other way for Oil return.

That is just what customers who just purchased an expensive car from Cadillac want to hear; don't push it. That's nonsense. Customers expect more. And rightly so. GM did a great job of improving Japanese car sales during this time

@jeffrykopis5468

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, Roger Smith and his minions were the best thing that ever happened to JAPAN'S auto industry.

You mentioned the "soft" cams. My aunt had one of the Cadillacs with the 4.1 on witch the cam went flat after only 7 months. She had les than 20,000 miles on it. I was confused as I was only 15 years old and thought of Cadillac as top of the line. As I aged, I never even thought of owning a Cadillac. They had burned my aunt and that was enough for me.

@UsefulEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

Hahh, all the 4100s had that problem. My dad got stuck replacing all those motors under warranty at the dealer back then.

@alan6832

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with the 1.8, or a 20 second 0-60 time, which is tons faster than most of the trucks I drove.

@jblyon2

2 жыл бұрын

My uncle had one that was misfiring a lot. When he pulled the engine and disconnected the transmission you could grab the crankshaft and move it. The aluminum had worn that badly. The transmission was literally holding the thing together.

@christopherscuorzo3044

2 жыл бұрын

I had the overheating problem with my 1983 Coupeville DE Vill!* It had head gasket issues after I had it for only 10 years, but that was 10 Yeats after 2003, so I guess, for a used Cadillac, it wasn't all that bad?*

@UsefulEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherscuorzo3044 yea but i guarantee you that the motor you had in 03 wasnt the original engine.

GM's mix-and-match engine strategy -- dating from the introduction of the Olds-powered Seville -- poisoned their classic Chevrolet-to-Cadillac brand-ladder hierarchy in the minds of many. Cadillac was hit the hardest of the GM divisions because, going into the 1970s, they made only one engine: the monster 472/500. When CAFE hit, Cadillac had to run to other GM divisions to beg for less-thirsty, less-expensive hardware. In the early 1970s, my Dad was still a firm Believer in the GM gospel. Oldsmobile, according to Dad, provided the bare automotive minimum. Buick was a touch better and Cadillac was, unquestionably, the best of the best. Pontiac was not up to snuff and Chevrolet was completely unacceptable. When Dad found out in 1975 that the (very expensive) Seville was powered by an Olds engine, the scales fell from his eyes. Dad migrated to Chrysler products. [Ford and AMC were still out of the question.] Then one day I was stunned when Dad came home in a nicely used 1978 *Chevrolet* Caprice Classic. By then, he figured that whatever premium Cadillac had once commanded had long since been neutralized by GM's corporate-parts-bin shuffle. Dad was right: The "downsized" Caprice proved to be a very nice car.

@thehighllama8101

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in the 80s, when it was common knowledge that GM divisions shared platforms, engines, etc. It was amusing for me to later learn that in the 1970s Oldsmobile owners actually sued GM when they discovered their Oldsmobiles were powered by Chevy engines. I think there was a similar lawsuit in the 1970s when Pontiac owners learned their cars had engines or transmissions from another division; it might have involved disgruntled Pontiac Astre owners. Don't get me wrong, I understand that GM divisions actually used to be actual, full-fledged separate divisions. It's just that by the 1980s, the idea of GM having separate divisions, with separate engines, transmssions, and platforms, seemed antiquated, as if out of the 1950s or earlier. Anyways, after buying two GM vehicles, a 1999 Oldsmobile Intrigue and a 2012 Chevrolet Sonic, I will never buy a GM product again.

@waltschmerz

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehighllama8101 I grew up earlier. 😀 The belief I inherited was that if an auto company didn't design and build their own engines, they weren't a true auto company. Anybody -- such as Fisher or Fleetwood -- could fashion a body, but only Cadillac could create a Cadillac engine. For example, a Studebaker with a Chevy engine was no longer a Studebaker. It was a mongrel breed who was not long for this world. A "Cadillac" with an Olds engine was nothing more than a glorified Cutlass, at best, if not a woefully overpriced Chevy Nova. Engines gave cars their identities. When GM disconnected the engine from the rest of the car, that essentially wiped out 70 years of auto-manufacturing tradition. A Packard had always been a Packard no matter if it had LeBaron or Murray coachwork. By the mid-1970s, GM brought that tradition to an end.

@21stcenturyfossil7

2 жыл бұрын

@@waltschmerz Give GM credit for making good engines. Of course, the Cadillac engine was good, but so was the Chevrolet. GM really upped their game during the late 40s to the mid 50s. In the early post war years, GM was still selling depression style straight 8s, some with antiquated poured babbitt bearings. Not well suited for hours on the brand new interstates, that's for sure.

@waltschmerz

2 жыл бұрын

@@21stcenturyfossil7 I give GM credit for making good engines. But my car-nut-professional-musician Dad wanted great engines (and transmissions) so he stuck with either the top-end GM models or Chrysler. As a pro musician living in central Kansas in the 50s and 60s, practically every gig was hundreds of miles away. This meant that he cruised down pre-Interstate roads at triple-digit speeds for hours on end. The only cars that didn't wilt under his abuse were Oldsmobiles, Buicks, and Cadillacs. His 1961 Olds 88 -- with the dreaded "Slim Jim" transmission -- was one exception. And the '61 Olds broke as it backed out of the driveway. :-) One advantage that Cadillac (and to a slightly lesser extent, Buick and Olds) had was the higher percentage of nickel they used in their iron alloys. Chevys, with softer iron, wore faster than Cadillacs. The (perhaps apocryphal) story that I've heard is that, by the time the early 1960s rolled around, Cadillac's engineers knew that the day would come when "ethel" gas would go away. So by 1963, Cadillac's cylinder heads and blocks were hard enough to run unleaded gas. I had the heads redone on my 1967 Eldorado last year. There was valve wear, but the valve seats were still in pretty good condition. And there was no ledge in any of the cylinder bores to indicate cylinder-wall wear. So those old Cadillac engineers must have done something right. Of course, Faith-in-GM was history by the mid-1970s. We had two Cutlasses -- a '75 and a '76 -- that were terrible cars. Engines knocked and transmissions died frequently enough that Dad migrated to Chrysler for a while. Dashboard controls and window handles may come off in your hands in a '60s - '70s vintage Chrysler, but at least they won't break as you howl down the Interstate.

@skaldlouiscyphre2453

2 жыл бұрын

@@waltschmerz GM was continuing a tradition that the other big American companies weren't really following anyways. Mercuries and Lincolns came with Ford engines; MOPARs were all MOPARs, so there's no real reason GMs couldn't all be GMs except for legacy. GM did a lot of redundant engineering work, especially when you consider effort that was redoubled again in Brazil, Australia, Japan, Germany or the UK. How many engines did they really need; how many platforms; how many times could they have eliminated a redundancy in one area that would have allowed them to see one through in another area? GM's history is littered with what-ifs and corporate blunders.

As a chevy guy, I can verify he's right about these engines. I also was never too fond of the 305. Oil change and fluids in general makes a world of difference on longevity. Make sure to never delay maintenance, or it will die prematurely.

@mark196076

2 жыл бұрын

Mine would cut valve seals.

@kellismith4329

2 жыл бұрын

I had one in a pickup with a 4bbl, that truck I drove for 25yrs and 350k never replaced anything but fuel pumps, spark plugs etc wasn’t quite as peppy as the 350 but it was totally reliable probably still running today somewhere - was pretty amazing gas mileage for a tuck too

@blmartech

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to my 2000 celica with 379k that hasnt had an oil change since 2008. Had to replace oil filter last summer due to it rusting all the way through

@canibusnj

2 жыл бұрын

@Adam c The 305 is an underrated block!

@Thumper68

2 жыл бұрын

305 same as every other small block except 400. It’s fine in right application everyone just wants it to be a 350 but it’s not just a lot of dyslexic people maybe 🤔🤣

The only good thing about the Olds Diesel was you could easily swap in a gas Olds V8 . A friend of mine had a Chevy pickup with one he bought cheap as it was about to blow. A nice Olds 455 from the salvage yard made it a nice powerful truck.

@jimjamauto

2 жыл бұрын

For those of us in California, a diesel Oldsmobile is an easy path to bypass emissions restrictions with a built gasoline engine. Since diesels older than 1997 are exempt from state-mandated inspection, nothing but money is preventing an LS swap with turbos and such. It's not technically legal, but you'd never get caught

@1mikewalsh

2 жыл бұрын

Smart money rebuilt the blocks as gas burners.

@knobdikker

Жыл бұрын

@@1mikewalsh Had a friend who did that. Got it running and gas would spew out of the carburetor! He'd forgotten to change the diesel fuel pump that was high pressure to a gasoline fuel pump that was 5-7psi!😂

@Project_Low_Expectations

Жыл бұрын

Some of the early Chevettes has the sealed air cleaner too. 12:46

Having owned a Seville with a Northstar I expected to see that engine on your list. These engines performed well when new, but the poorly engineered underdesigned head bolts meant you were driving a time bomb. These engines also leaked oil and were very difficult / expensive to make repairs .

@SuperJoes70

2 жыл бұрын

The problem was there was a additive that you added when changed the coolant in the Northstar and it was at the Cadillac dealership but very few techs knew about it also a lot people did not change the coolant at the proper maintenance times which added to this problem.

@robertpace901

2 жыл бұрын

Never heard anything good about the Northstar.

@21Piloteer

2 жыл бұрын

The problems with the Northstar were pretty much solved by 04 or 05. There is a company called Northstar Performance that sells a head stud kit that solves the headgasket issues on earlier engines.

@solemandd67

2 жыл бұрын

There was a beautiful, loaded, one female owner, Blue Onyx w/Silver Leather interior, '03 Seville for sale in Dallas a few years ago. 74k original miles. I recalled my Uncle Rudy having a Seville of the same body style with the Northstar and having problems. His was Gold. That prompted me to read owner reviews from several websites. Owner complaints about head gasket failures, the subsequent overheating headaches, and expensive repairs, sealed my decision to stay away from that car. At the time, I don't recall reading anything about a company manufacturing a fix in the reviews. Additionally, I read of some electrical problems with various engine codes. It's a shame because I love the design, but I'm a man who likes to drive my cars. Not hang out in repair shops with them...

@robertpace901

2 жыл бұрын

@@21Piloteer didn't the Northstar come out in 93? Why'd it take so long to fix the problem?

Wow dude, I love so much your KNOWLEDGE of all of these things! Thanks for having this channel.

@januarioqueiroz3122

2 жыл бұрын

You bet!👍

Hi there, I really liked this video. Content, very interesting, as always. Always highest quality. (Don't find that too often on youtube.) And although I 'm a true fan of your usual measured, even-tempered benevolent presentation style (it's very calming in a hectic world and it's very professional, which is something I think many viewers have much respect for, as do I), I like that in this "porch chat" your personality really comes through. I mean, keep the "professional" videos coming, absolutely, but, I'd like to see more porch chats. In your measured, even-tempered benevolent Michigan way (my Dad studied in Michigan), your porch chat is warm, funny, a touch bitchy (love it), ironic, and yet the same high quality content and also, in a nice way, calling a spade a spade, which inspires trust. (BTW, I loved the video in which you spoke about your Dad. That was most moving. Thank you for sharing that.) And your breadth of knowledge is so impressive, such that the attention never faulters. One of the elements I find most valuable are the tacit tips on proper car maintenance, such as knowing on which engines to change the oil much more frequently or knowing which engines not to push too hard, or the Pontiac video about keeping the original iginition, etc. (Maybe you could do a video about how to treat a older car right, special care tips, etc..) I just cringe when I see people cold starting an old timer and revving the engine -- ehhhhhh, it's like fingernails on a chalk board. I find myself wanting to do very mean things to them. Anyway, like the porch chat alot. You come across as such a nice fellow (I mean, you always do, but here it really came through. Wish I could have a beer with you sometime and chat about this stuff. OK, I don't really drink beer, but you know what I mean. Thanks, Dude.

@kevinrice4909

2 жыл бұрын

And I agree

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the nice note. Will try my best!

I’ve always loved your car reviews, but the porch chats are just mesmerizing. Keep them both coming.

General Motor's top bureaucracy of the period resulted in Roger Smith becoming Chairman and CEO. I could go on and on about this bureaucratic nightmare - but I want to mention that there are things that can go wrong when a company's top leadership is predominantly drawn from finance and accounting staff, most of whom that lacking in engineering credentials.

@blautens

2 жыл бұрын

Lived through it, totally agree. When the CFO becomes the CEO, the numbers might look good for a bit, but the core product suffers and long term the company loses identity, momentum, etc.

@seththomas9105

2 жыл бұрын

@@blautens 100% agreed. And it's not just GM or the car industry. (Ask me how I know) But I truly beleive GM is still suffering the ghost of Roger Smith and his minions. Sad.

@charlesstockford5913

2 жыл бұрын

Then from the first Roger Smith to the second Roger Smith that had been the CEO of Kelloggs.

@thomasrapp2536

2 жыл бұрын

Just ask Boeing about the beancounters, and what that's done to there brand.

@FunkyDPL

2 жыл бұрын

GM started being run by the accountants from the time of Frank Donner in the 1960s. Roger Smith was simply a product of that system. His predecessor, Thomas Murphy famously said "General Motors is not in the business of making cars. It is in the business of making money."

Taking owner phone calls in Cadillac Consumer Relations and Roadside Service as I did from 88-91 was an interesting experience. Recommending “modifying” (disabling) DOD on a V8-6-4, then later explaining why coolant supplement pellets needed to be added to the HT4100 taught us all how to be very tactful. And yes, there were plenty of loyal Cadillac owners lost forever in this era. We were chasing Lexus and fending off Lincoln in J.D Power rankings. Definitely a challenging time for the Clark Street executives.

As an extreme classic car lover, I shamefully admit that I've never learned a whole lot about the engines, however I can attest to one of these that you discussed. I had a family member who bought a '79 olds two-door Royale with a diesel engine, they bought it used in '82 as a second car, but a year later the engine blew and they sold it to my brother, who then had a '72 olds engine put in it, he had it for about 3 years and it seemed to run well, it was a very nice looking car with beautiful plush interior. I do enjoy learning these facts and particulars though, thanks 😃

I really enjoy the Porch Chats. Thank you so much for bringing such informative and entertaining content.

I had much training from the GM training center and they told us that the most experimental motors came out in the highest cost cars, like Cadillac, because fewer people could afford to buy them, and recalls would cost less.

I was working as a mechanic in the early thru late 80's at a Cadillac dealership, so I have intimate experience with most of those engines. The much maligned diesel was actually very solid and reliable by 1983 but the reputation had been damaged beyond repair by then. 35 mpg in a full-sized car was pretty incredible for any engine - I can only imagine how well it could work today with progressing technology had they properly engineered them from the start. I believe that fiasco is why the U.S. is still so hesitant about diesel engines in passenger vehicles today.

@halweilbrenner9926

Жыл бұрын

Just noticed your name. Hey from Arizona USA.

hard lesson to learn - "extended powertrain warranty to reassure customers they would fix cars if they failed" that is WAY too late. Warranty to fix does nothing to satisfy customers who get stranded or worse. Kiss brand loyalty goodbye.

@pcno2832

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say an extended warranty at least shows they they care about making the customer whole and if it only has to be used once (especially if the fix leaves the car more reliable than it was new) could make what could have been a major problem into a minor one, at least from the customer's perspective. My Chrysler LHS was only covered for its transmission failure because of an aftermarket warranty I purchased and on top of that, Chrysler charged me for "software upgrades" to fix THEIR mistakes, and I never bought another Chrysler car. In contrast, a co-worker's 2003 Acura got a new transmission from Honda free of charge and was a great car after that while my 2005 Accord had the same transmission and it was rock-solid by that time. So Honda took care of their customers who got what was known to be a bum transmission and worked the bugs out of it quickly, while Chrysler kept making crappy transmissions of a decade and left customers holding the bag. Honda atoned for their mistakes while Chrysler attempted to profit from theirs.

@treesnmoguls

2 жыл бұрын

True. Even then, after 60K miles, you're on your own, likely off a cliff!

@RogerWKnight

2 жыл бұрын

The most impressive warranty is the one that is never used. Like the forever idle Maytag repairman.

@Booboobear-eo4es

2 жыл бұрын

In other words, their warranty was better than their engines.

@nthgth

2 жыл бұрын

Seems to work well enough for Hyundai/Kia

Love this winter content! Keep up the good work!

In auto mechanic class in high school their was these old hard cover books,with black and white pictures with body,drive train,engine specifications for American cars and trucks from about the late 50s to the early 70s and you could see how the high compression V8 got knocked out in 1971.Great video

Very good job-definitely your "A"-game. When I think of the Cadillacs circa 1982 and the choice of diesel, HT4100, or credit option Buick V6, all had around the same power, and the V6 was the best alternative.

@jeffrobodine8579

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the Olds 350 V8 was dropped after 1980 and the Olds 307 did not come out to replace it until 1986.

@mdogg1604

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffrobodine8579 Actually, I believe my '84 Toronado had the 307.

@jeffrobodine8579

2 жыл бұрын

@@mdogg1604 Olds Toronado got the 140 bhp 307 from 1981-1985. The Cadillac Eldorado got the "exclusive" HT4100 motor with 125-135 bhp from 1982-1985. The base 1984 Cadillac Eldorado listed for $20,342 while the 1984 Olds Toronado listed for $16,107. You definitely got the better car for the better price. 1979-1980 Cadillac Eldorado, Olds Toronado and Buick Riviera all got the Olds 350. In 1986 the Fleetwood got the Olds 307 or a Chevy 305 while the new downsized Cadillacs continued to get the 4.1 Cadillac motor.

@mdogg1604

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffrobodine8579 Thanks for the reply! My Toro was the Caliente, white with a red leather interior. I really miss it!

@brianadams429

2 жыл бұрын

The diesels were from what i heard was gas engines converted diesel. A family friend had a caddy she bought new that spent more time at gm than in their driveway.

A very good video. With a tremendous amount of information. Thank you for sharing.

Truly interesting! Thank you for continued excellence!

I’m soo amazed by your knowledge and collection of amazing cars and been soo young . Loved your channel .

I loved Oldsmobile 350 diesel engine blocks I built many 350 Oldsmobile performance gas engines unbelievably strong blocks they weighed just about 40 lb more well worth the extra weight

Owned a 94 Fleetwood Brougham with the 5.7 liter LT1 engine. The car was a very big and comfortable car with plenty of power (270HP). It was the last of the “true” Cadillacs, 96 being the final year for all of GM’s big rear wheel drive cars. When I finally sold the car (for a whopping $4300) t had over 600,000 miles on it and still didn’t burn a drop of oil. The tranny was just as solid. Miss that beautiful behemoth. Ive never thought much of the stealthy style and smaller size that followed. Could never understand why both Cadillac and Lincoln surrendered the large car market to the Japanese and Germans. Perhaps it was that quality issue that you mentioned but isn’t it interesting that the quality problems were almost exclusively with the smaller, front wheel drive cars?

@MostlyBuicks

2 жыл бұрын

I think the 1994-96 Fleetwoods and the 1994-96 Roadmasters were the best "all around" cars ever built. I hate the Roadmaster door panels though-they fall apart. I have owned several. But currently I own a 1994 Roadmaster Limited Sedan, a 1996 Roadmaster Estate Wagon (with wood trim delete, thankfully) and a 1996 Fleetwood Brougham. GM abandoned this B/D body platform in favor of the GMC Yukon and Chevy Tahoe, which were built on a Estate Wagon frame. The LT-1 bugaboo, the Opti-Spark was better on these cars than the Camaros and Corvettes, because they had a venting system from day one. If you took care of it, it was not a problem. And a simple rule I follow: Whenever you have to replace a water pump, at LEAST replace the rotor and cap of the Opti-spark at the same time.

@skaldlouiscyphre2453

2 жыл бұрын

CAFE scores and attempts to realign their brands with the sportier side of the luxury market, Caddy sorta succeeded and Lincoln didn't. That said personally I'd love a Lincoln LS to do up bippu/VIP style.

@nthgth

2 жыл бұрын

260 hp, but yeah

One of the most interesting easy to watch You tube Videos up to this date I've viewed . Straight forward, easy to understand English, no background music theatrics , [pounding kettle drums etc.]

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Ha. Thx!

Interesting facts and a lot of good arguments that you’ve brought up here, throughout the course of this entire short length video, which was very instructive, as an informative review, Adam. Especially with those Cadillacs that came out from the C-body platform factory, during that same time period, as well. I must include that we’ve experienced the same kind of similarities up here at the GM plant in Sainte Therese, when it came to engine problems, with their so-called mixed aluminum alloy motors, instead of the regular cast iron metal blocks, in terms of mileage performance. Hence! needless to say that the Pontiac Astre was also another big failure for the General Motor Company and seemed somewhat like a similar duplicate to the Chevy Vega model. Thank you! for this magnificent presentation and hi praise for this video vlog, Adam. All the best to you! Johnny, Montreal, Canada 🇨🇦

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. My uncle had an early Vega station wagon. He had a case of oil he carried in the car and stopped to fill up the oil and check the gas. I had a 76 Monza with the Dura-built engine and it a fun little car with the 2 barrel, except it an issue with timing belts breaking.

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

When an engine has "Dura" at the start, it's not going to be durable, no matter the manufacturer. Part 2 of that is they know it, giving it that name. It's like seeing "Patriot" or "Freedom," in a Bill, it will be about the neither, the opposite in fact.

@aixaburlison4

2 жыл бұрын

Drop a 350 small block and a 400 turbo in the Vegas and monza problem solved

@charliesimpson2974

2 жыл бұрын

Roger that. I had a showroom new '72 Vega, blew a head gasket and seized at 14k. Chevy replaced it free. Second engine blew at 36k (from 14k, so 22k more). Chevy gave me their new iron sleeve in aluminum block which did not seize before 55k by which time I too was buying oil by the case, 1/2 qt per fill up. When I traded it the salesman asked me if anything was wrong with it, I said it uses oil. He said they all do. Later bought a new '77 Monza w/ a V6, was essentially a Vega w/a decent engine. I really liked the Vega, lots of fun to drive and Chevy replacing engines free was cool too

I was quite young when I finally got my 79 Olds 98 with the diesel. (dream car) So excited and proud! My garage smelled like a bus station. Broke down on my first long trip. Finally replaced the diesel with a 350 gas engine and managed to drive it for a while. Bought a 1999 Cadillac with the Northstar engine. Leaked like a sieve. Needless to say, I haven't had an American-made car since. Call me impulsive. Great report as usual. Thanks for your expertise.

@paulpeterson4311

2 жыл бұрын

Shoulda bought a FORD with a V8.

@LA_Commander

2 жыл бұрын

Problem was you stuck with GM

@tacoheadmakenzie9311

2 жыл бұрын

The best thing about an Oldsmobile diesel was that an Oldsmobile gas engine was a 100 percent bolt in replacement!

This video is really good, I told my friends to check it out. Great job Rare Classics!

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Thx!

I was very pleased to send this video to all my GM buddies! Thank you 👍🏻

I agree 100% with your option on gm engines and transmissions. I was a Cadillac technician in the late 1980s. I saw all of the problems! I replaced a lot of 4100 engines.

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy. You’d be an interesting interview!

@douglasfrye6462

2 жыл бұрын

@@RareClassicCars ok when would you like to interview me?

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

@@douglasfrye6462 Send me an email

"I do feel bad for the people who had to work on them." No need for that! As a mechanic, I made a fortune on these - especially the Olds Diesel. I put many a pair of shoes on my kids' feet thanks to that engine. I had a trick I developed on the head gasket issue. The cylinder head would move around and etch a groove into the cylinder block. Once that happened, it would no longer hold a gasket. Fel-Pro made a .060" over gasket and I started using those. It gave a fresh area for the gasket to bite into and I had great sucess with that.

That was a great video and I learned a lot. Thank you. Greetings from Arizona.

I really enjoy this style of video. Thanks.

Another sad fallout of the 5.7 diesel debacle is that it sullied the reputation of the 6.2 diesel. Absolutely a workhorse of an engine.

@aaronhumphrey2009

2 жыл бұрын

As long as you didn't use Ether to start them..the non turbo is durable, good on fuel, but only 155 HP..noisy box of rocks..get the turbo/ intercooled version for a better but still underwhelming 195-210 stock HP..

GM was just ahead of their time. Nowadays even brand new Mercedes and Kia motors burn a quart of oil every 800 miles. It ain't easy bein cheesy.

@nthgth

2 жыл бұрын

And then there's Hyundai/Kia's whole warranty thing which smacks of GM's 350 diesel thing - basically admitting it'll probably break but at least the customer won't have to pay for a new one when it does

Just found your channel.. Really really good stuff!!!

Very astute observations, Adam. It was amazing to see Cadillac customers migrate elsewhere, primarily to Lincoln in the '80s, though I'm sure the German makes picked up a few new customers as well. And as I look at FoMoCo and Chrysler engines of the era, I can't think of any there were nearly so bad as any of these. Well, except any CA car equipped with a Variable Venturi carburetor! At least the fix for those was easy -- install a 2-barrel carburetor on it and be on your way.

A friend of ours owned a Cadillac dealership back in the day. When the V8-6-4 debuted, he was telling us the systems were failing when the customer was driving the car home from the dealership AFTER JUST TAKING DELIVERY NEW!! No one knew how to fix them. I distinctly remember the magazine ads at the time saying this new system had been tested in over 500,000 miles of real conditions, and I thought at the time, hey! that's only 5 cars being driven 100,000 miles....that's enough of a test for a new technology on GM's premier platform? GM screwed the pooch in so many ways in the late 70;s and all through the 80's. What a (cynical) fall from grace from a great American manufacturer.

GM did make some good engines. My favorites: The 455 Olds with dual exhausts. I had a 1972 442 with that engine for a long time. I changed the oil frequently.No internal engine problems at all. I now own a 2001 Aurora with the 4.0 Northstar. All the head gasket problems that plagued the first generation Northstar (1993 - 1999) were solved with the introduction of the second Northstar (2000 and later). The later Northstars have longer & thicker head bolts and an improved head gasket design. Only trouble in the more than 21 years I've owned the Aurora......crankshaft position sensors.

@mpetersen6

2 жыл бұрын

Now if Ed Cole had let Olds build the 32 valve version.

@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe

2 жыл бұрын

That 455 oldsmobile rocket engine just couldnt be beat, I had one in a 77 custom cruiser wagon a painter retired n gave me for free for helping him redrywall a room or 2 that had like 5 layers of wall paper, that car had great power n sound n tractor because it was a station wagon, I left many hot rods in shame that came up on me at redlights snickering, it was a sleeper, as a plus it had a big rear bed area for date nights !, my grandmother in law had a 60 something model oldsmobile super 88 that had that 455 engine too, it also was fast, it still looked new n smelled new inside too!

I saw the title and came up with my own list. Watching you and your video had them all. Interesting video. It looks like you are filming on your back porch.

I really enjoyed your personality and demeanor! My father bought a brand new 1974 Chevy Vega Wagon and I remember he had to rebuilt or replace the engine after 33K miles. Fun times!

@oldedwardian1778

Жыл бұрын

I had a version of the Vega called a Monza, it was a cute looking car but OH DEAR, it was the biggest pile of GARBAGE before I bought a 78 Pontiac Firebird which was WORSE if you can imagine ANYTHING worse than a 78 Redbird with a Buick EVEN FIRING V6 engine. It lasted about 18k miles before it threw a main bearing. An engine repair shop told me “ Oh you got a good one, they usually go at about 15k miles”.

Thanks for sharing another informative video!! For me the worst of the worst is the V8-6-4!!! Ugh 😫

@SuperJoes70

2 жыл бұрын

This setup was bought from Ford and ford was going to use it on their truck engines it was orginally designed by Eaton

@wildcat64100

2 жыл бұрын

The V-8-6-4 was a perfectly good 368cid engine based on 472, 500, 425 block. If you disconnected one wire, you disconnect the cylinder deactivation and you have a good V-8. Plus, it still came with the THM400 transmission.

@SuperJoes70

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildcat64100 I remember it was pink wire that you disconnected to put it in 8 cylinder mode

@V8_screw_electric_cars

2 жыл бұрын

@@wildcat64100 GM should went with it instead of shit 4 liter and making fwd junk what were they thinking who the hell makes fwd luxury cars.

Yes, I would be in agreement with all of these. I remember thinking, in about 1981 - 83, in a big Cadillac, when choosing an engine, the only really good choice you had in terms of reliability was the 4.1L Buick V6 engine - which had to be very underpowered. A V6 in a big heavy car like a Cadillac? So - some questions for you Adam, since you worked at GM for a while and may know the answers. Or you may not, which is fine - but these are interesting topics for discusson. 1. Why did GM choose to start using RV sealant instead of gaskets for things like oil pan gaskets and valve cover gaskets?? That never made any sense to me. Were they just being cheap? Using a regular gasket is always going to be better - and it isn't like a gasket weighs so much that it adds weight and there is a fuel economy savings. 2. Vega engine question - in 1961 - 63, GM already had a precedent with a successful aluminum block engine - WITH cylinder liners - in the form of the 215 Buick V8. As you know, but others may not, this was used in the Special/Skylark/F-85/Cutlass/Tempest/LeMans in 1961-63, either as standard or as an option. While it was important you not overheat these engines, other than that these engines were very good and went on to be bought by Land Rover and powered their vehicles for many decades afterwards. So, WHY did GM NOT apply the same technology from these engines when creating the Vega engine?? And why produce the Vega for 5 model years (1971 - 75) while these problems were going on and not act faster to resolve the issues? By 76 it didn't matter anyway. In 1977 they came out with the 2.5L Iron Duke engine which replaced the 2.3L aluminum engine anyway. So 76 was the only good year for the 2.3L aluminum engine? 3. Olds diesel V8 - in this same time period, though I don't know the exact model years - GMC and Chevrolet used a 6.2L diesel in the Suburban. If the Olds 350 diesel had to be built without water separators and had weak head bolts because they did not have the money to put into the development, why not put this 6.2L diesel in the Delta 88 and 98 in 1978 and 1979 instead of the Olds 350? I believe this engine was available then though I might be mistaken on that. I don't think the same replacement could be done with the Cutlass in these years, which used the 260 V8. Yet somehow the smaller 260 V8 does not have as bad a reputation as the 350 diesel V8. GM was sharing engines among divisions by this point - if they wanted to put a diesel engine in cars, why not use the 6.2L GMC diesel? I never heard of any mechanical problems with that engine. 4. As bad a reputation as the 350 and 260 Olds diesel V8s had, the vast majority of Delta 88s, 98s, and Cutlasses did not have the diesel. Do you have an idea of what percentage of the 1978 and 1979 Oldsmobiles got these diesel engines? I think it was a small number. 10% maybe? In this case it seemed customers could just steer clear of these engines - the cars themselves were generally good - yet a LOT of criticism has been heaped upon Oldsmobile for producing these 2 diesel engines in 1978 and 1979 - though by 1980 the problems had largely been worked out. (An aside - I personally feel that, while accurate, that Oldsmobile has been unfairly beat to hell over this one mistake - and people just keep bringing it up over and over and over - and this happened almost ->45

@kevinsellsit5584

2 жыл бұрын

The answer to many of these questions is directly related to CAFE and CARB laws that were passed in the 70's. Corporate Average Fuel Economy and California Air Resource Board passed laws in the 1970's (CAFE in 1975) that could have potentially put any of the big three out of business. Basically, for every gas guzzling beast you sell, you MUST sell a lot of econo-boxes or literally quit selling cars in the states. The US was behind in its fuel injection technology compared to the other side of the pond and by the time the 80's arrived, instead of having a true solution to the problem they just attacked the big engines with band-aids like massive cats, air pumps, feedback carbs, camshafts with lobes so small you need a caliper to find...etc. Oh, and dropping cylinders, can't forget that. They knew it didn't work but if they said it worked, they could at least keep selling cars until they figured it out. This was a huge problem for auto techs like me who had to get cars to pass emissions which likely wouldn't have passed when new. For the consumer, it all paid off in the long run. Today's port fuel injected cars and engine management systems are better in every way than the cars of the 70's and 80's. Although there are too many of them.

@emmettjohnson8220

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about most of these items, but the 6.2 was not introduced until 1982, and was used in the entire C/K series. The 5.7 was in 2 wheel drive/auto trans only up to the 1981 models.

First time viewer, your info was right on the mark! All this made buyers start going over to the foreign car market.

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Thx and welcome

Thank you for sharing. I worked as a mechanic at a Ford dealer from 1983 to 2006. Throughout that time, I had friends and acquaintances that worked at other dealerships. One worked at a Buick&Olds dealer in the early 1980s and we often shared stories of the 5.7 diesels he worked with, and the Navistar 6.9 diesels I was dealing with. The 5.7 Olds engine was indeed bad, but not nearly as bad as some think. As you pointed out, car owners were not prepared for the unique attention some diesels require. I remember that from customers that expected things from the 6.9 that they treated like a gasoline engine. You cannot ignore maintenance especially the cooling systems that can cavitate cylinders if ignored long enough. Of course there were a lot of diesels in the shop at both Ford and GM dealers at the time, not because they were problematic, but because the market was flooded with them. They sold like hot cakes out here in the desert. The 5.7 did have problems. So did the Navistar 6.9. I can remember not a week went by that Ford didn’t release a Technical Service Bulletin on some new updated repair procedure. I am sure the same was true for the 5.7 with GM. Not going to lie, we sure made good money at the time trying to keep diesel owners happy

@dmandman9

2 жыл бұрын

The 6.9 had problems. But those were mostly solvable . But the early production GM 5.7 was truly junk as a whole.

I had a 1981 Cadillac V8/6/4 for 12 years from 1981. It was just fine. If the annoying characteristics got to be too much, all you needed to do was disconnect one single wire on the side of the transmission, accessible by reaching under an unjacked car. That wire signalled to the computer that the car was in top gear (the variable displacement only operated in top gear). Problem solved. The car then ran just like a 59 State 1980 DEFI Seville/ Eldorado with a standard 368 CI motor.

@carsmusicandclothing7066

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the V8/6/4 and the HT4100 Both could've been great motors.. if given the right time to release. 8/6/4 was to ahead of it's time and the 4100 was rushed.

Quad 4. Had one in my 95 grand am. It was a nightmare, I had parts all over my garage floor when I did a head gasket repair.

@tacoheadmakenzie9311

2 жыл бұрын

I had a '97 Skylark with a Quad 4, and had the opposite experience. Bought it with 83,000 miles on it and ran it up to 228,000 before I had to retire it due to too many upstate NY winters.

@irishuwould5185

2 жыл бұрын

@@tacoheadmakenzie9311 maybe they made some updates on those years but mine was problem after problem. Timing chain, fuel pump, thermostat, head gasket, water pump, 2 cylinders went out on me and it took it seemed 1 minute to get up to highway speed lol. But when I was trouble free it ran awesome.

@tacoheadmakenzie9311

2 жыл бұрын

@@irishuwould5185 I will say that I was glad that I had no issues with it because, for a four cylinder engine, accessibility was horrible. One thing that I did have to replace was the serpentine belt tensioner, and even that was a pain in the ass.

@irishuwould5185

2 жыл бұрын

@@tacoheadmakenzie9311 I just read that 1995 was a “transitional period” for the quad 4. They made some changes to it. Maybe that was some of the issues connected to mine. It’s always better to wait a year or two after changes to work the kinks out, but in 1999 when I bought it I didn’t know that lol.

@life_of_riley88

2 жыл бұрын

Our 96 grand am was butt fugly, but very reliable and that little quad 4 ran great well past 200,000 miles.

Excellent discussion. Knowledgeable and right on the money.

I bought a '71 Vega, so early in the production run that it was recalled for rear shock mounts mounts, as it couldn't go through a car wash; a no-options car, it rusted as you watched. In my late teens at the time, I thought the car was fabulous. The windshield washer button connected to a bulb behind the dash, and your literally pumped the fluid manually-the bulb would come of the back of the button, under the dash LH, and soak your pant leg. Super enjoy your great presentations. 6.2 GM diesel which followed the 5.7 you discuss, was a gem,.

12:40 Chevette air filters were the same way. They were a sealed assembly. You could buy an aftermarket filter housing to convert them to cartridge (?... or "normal") style.

The HT4100 had headgasket problems galore.The rear wheel drive version of the 3.8 V6 was not good too.GM had a Brazilian built 4 cylinder in the Pontiac Sunbird that ate headgaskts as well

@fixxerautomotive4917

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree on the 3.8, thats a real solid reliable motor IMO.

@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe

2 жыл бұрын

we owned 5 of the front wheel drive gm 3800 engines people would sell them cheap when the intake manifold gasket started leaking those were made out of plastic, the solution was a aftermarket gasket made out of steel, a bit of wrenching and u get great reliable car very cheap, my cousin is a master tech mechanic and charged us 300 to repair them, 3 i bought that needed fixed, 2 i bought that never had the gasket go out yet, so we went ahead and fixed them, it wasnt a matter of if those intake gaskets would leak but when they would go out on you, n you didnt want to be stuck out of town on the road when it went, so we just fixed those 2 so we could have peace of mind and less future headaches

Great video. My Dad was a master mechanic and ran our family's car and truck repair shop in the 50's to mid 70's. We came across our share of stinkers during that time.

Useful info for those entering the classic car market Adam. Cheers 🇨🇦

Some of those early 1980's GM subcompacts could have as an option a version of the small Chevrolet V6 which was 2.8 or 3.1 litres,some of those little cars ran quite well ,also the somewhat larger Pontiac 6000 STE ran fairly well with those engines

@sixpakshaker88

2 жыл бұрын

The 2.8 came out of the S-10, which was a solid little engine.

@frederickbooth7970

2 жыл бұрын

@@sixpakshaker88 Our 84 S10 P/U was able to travel 233,000 miles on the original engine & upon rebuild we only had to re-bore .030 over & use standard size bearings with of course new pistons / rings. Still using original oil pump & intake valves that were reground. Rebuild kit`s oil pump had too much oil pressure at 80 psi even at idle so we went back to using original oil pump which has 45 psi at idle & 80 psi at higher rpm`s. Have to be very good on maintaining work for these hard working small engines to last.

@nthgth

2 жыл бұрын

My impression is that the GM 60° V-6 was by and large a very good engine all around

One last note, GM’s FWD platform really didn’t truly improve until the late 80’s, the 89-92 MY was much improved over the previous years. A friend of mine owned an 89 Cadillac Fleetwood with the 4.9L V8 engine that was extremely reliable. It had around 296,000 miles before he sold it. Sure it wasn’t perfect, it leaked a ton of oil, and had other small issues, but overall it was a great well built car. It was pretty gutless I would say, but because the car didn’t weigh much, it was able to haul itself around without being dangerously slow. I personally used to own a 87 Cadillac Brougham with the 5.0 307 Olds motor. That thing was such a dog, so slow that it was actually scary to get on the freeway! I would floor it, and the car barely moved! I heard that 307 was pretty solid, but they lacked the power to the point where it always felt stressed out. I feel that Ford did a much better job in the 80’s with using TBI and fuel injection early in the decade. Because not only was the Olds motor super gutless at only 140 HP pushing a 4,000lbs+ car, but it was still carbureted. And the Rochester carb on that car was a nightmare! You had some early electronics connected to it like the TPS sensor which gave nothing but trouble and would set off a check engine light and engine acceleration problems with the slightest of wear. It was a lovely car, but the mechanicals was problematic and a PITA. The sweet spot for that body style and design mixed in with reliability and better performance, we’re the 77-79 D-bodies. You still had the Cadillac 425 engine and TH400 before all the drivetrain down sizing that came just a few years later. Those older late 70’s Cads were bulletproof and didn’t really give too much trouble.

@robertmacdonald4518

2 жыл бұрын

The Rochester is way better than early TBI Fords by a huge amount, Ive had many Q jets in work trucks and were awesome, important to keep them in tune then wow! And Ford really stepped up the game when in 86' the new EFI came out. And Ive owned 6 GM TBI trucks amazing reliability and good fuel economy.

Adam I sure enjoyed your video. My dad had several Oldsmobile Delta 88 with those desiel engines….. constantly putting head gaskets on them. But when it was running fine it would get 25 mpg.

Your knowledge on these cars and engines is amazing !

Ah, the good old Vegas! Just about the best thing you could possibly say about them is that they were one of the easiest cars ever to swap a V8 into. Had a '73 wagon with a 350.... what a frickin' blast! Re acceleration..... My friend's father was a GM salesman in the 70s and he brought a brand new '78 GMC 1/2 ton with the 5.7 diesel to the drags one Saturday afternoon for a promo. Not a bad idea in principle but taking it for a pass down the strip definitely was.... 22.00 seconds!! I forget the MPH but with an ET like that, what difference would the MPH make? I don't know how many sales he ended up making out of that little trip but whatever the number was, it almost certainly would have been higher if he hadn't done that 1/4 mile pass.

Wow, I thought my 1976 Buick Special was slow at around 16 seconds to 60. These turkeys were even worse. But that 231 sure could shake - even when it was new. A machinist told me the Vega 2.3 wasn't bad if it was re-built with cast iron sleeves. And the Vega wasn't a bad-looking car - especially the early 'Camback' version.

@MostlyBuicks

2 жыл бұрын

I had a 1976 Century with the Buick 231 V6. That thing was so slow it could not move away from its own stink. But, eventually it evolved to the fantastic 3.8L series II and series III. They got it so good, they had to quit making it by 2008. The Series III was one of the first engines that the government did not require to pass an emissions test every year or two. The Buick V6 fist came out as a 198 in 1962. It was sold to AMC in 1968 and Buick got it back from AMC in 1974 or 75 to aid against the Arab Oil Embargo situation. Lots of Jeeps had this engine in the mid 60s to mid 70s. Buick also sold its 215 Aluminum V8 to Rover in 1964. It had problems with the aluminum and copper radiator. They could have solved this problem by using an aluminum radiator.

@arevee9429

2 жыл бұрын

@@MostlyBuicks If there is a moral of the story, perhaps it's to avoid the first few years of a new technology from GM. The Special was a coupe, blue with a painted white roof and it did have very nice styling that did not go stale in a few years. And it did handle brake well - by the standards of the day.

@MostlyBuicks

2 жыл бұрын

@@arevee9429 Except for my 76 Century and a 1985 GMC pickup (which was not bad) I DID avoid cars built after 1972 and before 1990. I have owned 82 cars in my life. I did not delve into cars from the 90s until the year 2005. Until then I owned cars only from 1950 through 1972 (with the mentioned exceptions). In fact the 1976 Century reinforced my decision to avoid cars from 1973-1989! It took so long for US manufacturers to move away from the "Malaise" years. Plus being constantly hobbled by the EPA even today, has not been a help either.

@arevee9429

2 жыл бұрын

@@MostlyBuicks Smart people don't buy new cars. I've had quite a few of them (new cars). These days, smart people don't buy cars. Period. Prices have skyrocketed. I bought a car in February 2021 and it's still worth more now than what I paid for at - as a dealer trade. But I won't be selling it because I'd need to get another new one at today's price.

@MostlyBuicks

2 жыл бұрын

@@arevee9429 I must be smart then. I have owned 82 cars in my life ranging from $35 junkers I would drive in the winter to expensive classics reserved only for fair weather days. The only new car I bought was my then wife's car, a 1986 Mustang 5.0 with a 5 speed.

Great porch chat Adam, I as a total GM guy, and I had a 79 Fleetwood, there was no 80s Cadillac in my future because of those engines, ended up getting an 89 Town Car which was one of the best cars I ever owned

Another great video! As you mentioned about a car company having hard times, I feel bad for all the technicians, engineers and production line employees who have to be part of the problem they had no blame or fault in. Somewhere up in the top management these choices were made and good working employees were forced to be part of the problem due to customers often thinking it was them that made a bad product.

I remember when I was much younger but still knew quite a bit about current cars for my age. I spent a good part of my youth turning wrenches with my dad as he taught me how to maintain my car and repair it instead of taking it to a mechanic. I was looking to buy a used car I'm at a regular new car dealership looking at trade-ins with the salesman. I told him specifically I did not want to look at any GM diesel cars. No exceptions I didn't want to even talk about them. Evidently they had one of these dogs on lot that they were trying to push to get it off the lot and he kept trying to get me to go look at it. He kept telling me that the car was great and he had one and he loved it and when the engine went bad he was just going to convert it to gas! Finally I got tired of him trying to send me over to this freaking car I wouldn't pay 5 cents for and asked him if you love that diesel so much why are you going to change the gas? He stopped bringing it up at that point.

You forgot to mention the 3.0 liter 2bbl. carbureted V6 used in the front wheel drive Buick Century from '82 to '84. It was about as underpowered as the 1.8 liter 4 cyl. engine and delivered horrible gas mileage. Plus, it was prone to head gasket failure. I suffered through this one on one car I had despite regular maintenance.

@aaronhumphrey2009

2 жыл бұрын

Junk compared to the durable Buick / GM 3.8 V-6..

You are a great storyteller, enjoyed the video. Thank you.

Thank you Adam! My father had a nack for quirky automobiles over the years. He owned a Corvair, a Vega, three Mustang IIs, a Gremlin, a Fiat X/19, a Renault Alliance GTA, and a 1980 Pontiac Bonneville Brougham 5.7 DIESEL. Not good. Fussy in winter and the transmission required a rebuild early. Thank you again for your knowledge and love of the automobile!

@sking2173

2 жыл бұрын

I liked the Corvairs ! And the AMC drivetrains were good, although I didn’t like that sawed-off Gremlin ...

At the very start of the Chevy small block V8 (265 cubic inch) in 1955, there was a problem with the engines being too tight and not breaking in correctly. There was a TSB issued that if an engine has this problem, the mechanic would pour Bon Ami cleanser powder into the oil, and run the engine for a while, then change the oil.

@HarborLockRoad

2 жыл бұрын

Omg that's great! That's a keeper to tell my grandkids. I only buy hyundai- yes it's crap, but no guilt when you junk them!

Having driven a Olds diesel for years I can say most of its troubles were brought on by dumb users, incompetent dealers and bad fuel supply. After the first couple of years they had the problems in hand but it was too late.

@bombasticbuster9340

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. I drove one in my teen years. A person must have " diesel skills." I grew up around diesel engines on the farm. I bought an 85 300SD 5 cyl. Diesel Mercedes in 1999. I drove it until my teen son hit another classic car on a wet day in 2014.

@Treashuntr2020

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t be that many dumb users! They were junk!

@CadillacPat1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Treashuntr2020 Show me ONE truck driver that starts his diesel engine in winter and immediately drives away. I had an '84 Olds 98 w/ the diesel. It was on it's 2nd engine when I bought it, the 1st going 50k, replaced under warranty, w/ me getting the car at 60k. Long story short, the car went another 20, but, the culpret was NOT the GM GoodWrench DX replacement engine, it was the injector pump-which got a little water that was in the fuel. Mentioned is that diesel fuel attracts water. It does so bad that I also had to repair the tank in the car as it literally rusted ON THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDE of the tank. Even in MI that doesn't happen w/ gasoline. I paid $1000 for the car, and the pump was $500. I scrapped the car, getting $300. 20k trouble-free miles...$700...and the car was beautiful inside, but starting to rust.

@Treashuntr2020

2 жыл бұрын

@@CadillacPat1 I agree with your points, but those engines were also used in chevy and gmc pickups. Farmers here bought them because their tractors burn diesel, and they know how to operate Diesel engines! They swapped the diesel with the ubiquitous 350 gas engines!

Porsche also used the ‘Nikasil’ method of cylinder wall treatment on the engines used in the 928 and 944 with much success. Thanks for the great videos!

@prevost8686

2 жыл бұрын

Ford started applying it to the Coyote 5.0 in 2018 and oil consumption issues are plaguing the once reliable engine. I’m satisfied that if the big three find out that they have done something right they’ll screw it up just to maintain their reputation for sucking.

@mpetersen6

2 жыл бұрын

I think part of the reason the coating in the bores on the Vega failed so quickly was GM (typically) tried to go cheap on the process when the bean counters got involved.

Having become a licensed driver in 1971, doing all my own maintenance, and very interested in the engineering side of car design, all your info was very familiar and most interesting. Thanks for the nice videos, not many KZreadrs have a good knowledge base. Starting in 1968 when the US Federal Government started dictating engine emission regulations it appears the US car companies rebelled and substantially drop their horsepower and drive ability. SAE power output ratings replaced Net output, compression ratios dropped, ignition timing retarded, all jetting in the carburetor was overly leaned, carbuetor choke profiles were totally screwed up in efforts to get the choke to turn off faster, along with exhaust gas recirculation. 1982 was the worst year for overly smogged engines. Of course the "gasoline crisis" that started in 1973, along with the government wanting cleaner emissions and better gas mileage simultaneously really took its toll on the US automakers.

Excellent video as always Adam! My votes are for the good old Chevy 305 and 350 as the best motors of the 80's era. Used to own as '86 Caprice with the 305 4 barrel. 25 mpg on highway, sometimes as high as 28 cruising at 60 on country roads. 0-60 in 8.9 seconds with aftermarket duals, turbo mufflers/free flow cat cons😁 Stellar reliability as well. Didn't burn oil at 160K miles

@oldarkie3880

2 жыл бұрын

I had an 86 caprice with 305. I hated the transmission. Driving at 55 MPH every gust of wind or mole hill and it would shift out of overdrive. Just constant shifting. A mechanic told me it could not be adjusted. Hated it.

@ohioalphornmusicalsawman2474

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldarkie3880 Bought mine in '05 with 75K miles. It would shift out of overdrive between 45 and 55 mph if you stepped on it lightly, such as going up a slight hill, as the RPM's were so low in 4'th gear. Over 60 this was not an issue. I think '86 was one of the first years for the 4 speed automatic in the Caprice

Another engine that could be on the list is the late 90's - early 2000's 3.4 litre 3400 engine. This engine was notorious for constantly developing leaks with the lower intake manifold gasket. The engine was in some of GM's most popular cars at the time. Like the Pontiac Grand Am, Oldsmobile Alero, and many of GM's minivans at the time.

@jeffbranch8072

2 жыл бұрын

The entire Chevrolet 60-degree block V6 family (2.8L, 3.1L, 3.4L, 3.5L) were a junk design. Both pistons at one end didn't fit the block, and rather than fix it they released service pistons that actually did fit for any engines so bad that it was noticeable. These engines had no bottom end and **every** time they tried to make a performance engine (3.1L Turbo, 3.4L Dual Twin Cam) they failed badly.

@elizabethcarlson1321

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffbranch8072 While I agree that that family of V6 engines did have an issue with intake gasket leaks, especially if the coolant was never changed, I had a 90 6000 with the 3.1 that I could get almost 40 on the highway. (55mph, with overdrive) I really liked that car. I was a GM Master Tech in 1986/87 so I had a lot of time with many of those engines. (I was at a Pontiac/GMC dealer, and we also dealt with a lot of Cadillac's. I also had both a 3.4 and a 3.5 in mini-vans. I actually preferred the 3.4 in my Olds. It was a great motor that gave me great milage and no troubles. My Saturn Relay with the 3.5 was a real headache. I did not like that van.

@jeffbranch8072

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethcarlson1321 on the topic of engine design (engineering and theory): From an **engineering design** perspective Chevy engines are **at best** unremarkable, and all are flawed designs.

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethcarlson1321 My folks had a 3100 Lumina, (the SEFI one,) nice upgrade from the Ford Vulcan 3.0. Til the injector failure from going to BP for gas. Rust around the gas door found with the temp tags on it. So GM makes the LQ1 DOHC 3400, then it's nothing but complaining. The engine sounded great to me, heard there were complaints that it was too noisy? It was only in the sportiest models so, not sure wtf was goin on there. :-) Then the timing belt which is "more maintenance" over a chain, and of course GM made it interference. Having done DOHC timing on my own car several times... (non-interference engine.) A belt while no fun to change is not that big of a deal grand scheme of things, every few years, for better performance ALL of the time. Unsophisticated crowd at GM, getting sold higher maintenance than they wanted, with parts designed to destroy the car in under 10. The 2.8l 3.1l sounded like they had emphysema, if a car could get emphysema. That somehow worked though in an 80's-90's cassette tape world. No less than 3 OHV 3400 I gave time of death to for lifter failure. A fourth 3400 OHV that ran for about as long as I said it would, with lifter failure, so they had time to prepare and get money for another vehicle. A fifth 3400 OHV with permanent misfire (Aztek,) the guy had just bought it. Wouldn't shoot it or take it back for being scammed. One more, Montana 3400, fully loaded... frame rot. So someone looking for a 3400 got lucky!

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffbranch8072 Still rocking a Mazda KLZE V6 from 93 and Japan, intentionally. Sadly it was overshadowed by these things called "rotaries." Made by the triangle into circle folks, biggest surprise Pikachu face when the seals go!

This is a really outstanding, informative look at some unfortunate decision making that GM made - in some cases because its hand seemed forced to - thanks to changing regs. Cheers, once again, Adam. Quick reference - MW's 82 Cimarron 3sp Auto needed 22 seconds for the quarter, which it crossed at only 65 MPH. Eeek! One question - no honorable mention for the Northstars?

I owned a 1981 Seville with the 8-6-4 (as well as a 1984 HT4100). Mine was 100% reliable and I drove it hard, very hard. I even raced the car in the winter and with all of the weight on the front wheels and good snow tires I always dominated the front wheel drive classes and pretty much always came in 1st place. I agree with you on the vibration on 6 cylinder mode though. In 4 cylinder mode it was smooth but fairly gutless. The worst problem was the throttle was not drive by wire and it didn't compensate for the reduced power as cylinders deactivated. Basically at certain speeds it would switch to 4-cylinder mode and it would start to slow down so you'd give it a bit more gas and it would switch back to 6-cylinder or even 8-cylinder mode. Had the throttle been drive by wire and given it more throttle automatically, it would have worked quite well. I know this because you could use the heater controls to go into maintenance mode (this was before OBD so all diagnostics was built in and was quite sophisticated), force it into 4-cylinder mode and make it stay in 4 cylinder mode. Locked in you could give it heavier throttle and it would happily cruise along at 80 mph while (according to the onboard travel computer) getting 23 to 24 mpg (in 8 cylinder mode at 80 mph it only got 18 or 19 mpg). I would do this regularly on long trips. Unfortunately with everything working automatically, even with cruise on, it would continuously cycle between 4 and 6 cylinder mode at 80mph. It could be driven at different speeds, such as 60mph in 4-cylinder mode or 90+ mph in 8-cylinder mode but 75 to 80 mph was a disaster. Other than that, the 81 was really a great car. I bought it with 40,000 miles (60,000 km) on it and put almost 200,000 miles (320,000 km) (in total) on it before eventually selling it in the year 2000. It was still rust free (driven in salty Canada too), although the paint was peeling on the hood and it required almost zero maintenance (other than tires and brakes once in a while). I did undercoat it with heavy used oil twice a year (spring and fall). I definitely would not list it as one of the worst engines due to its excellent reliability, even though the system didn't work all that well in automatic mode. The 1984 HT4100 on the other hand was a disaster...

This is why Ford killed 'em in the 80s (and 90s). Panthers w 5.0 and then 4.6ohc were bulletproof. The overall car was just built way better too.

@kingkrimson8771

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say the 4.6 was "bulletproof", the plastic intake manifold caused problems for a lot of people, me included.

@auntbarbara5576

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingkrimson8771 tru dat. but they went on to fix it. those engines can go many hundred thousand miles if maintained.

you mean there was an extending warranty for my blown 1982 Seville HT4100? best day of my life up till then was when I traded it in for a new Toyota. the Seville wasn't my first GM product, but it sure was my last GM product!

@wilsixone

2 жыл бұрын

It's old history and it's sad when folks speak like that's STILL the case with GM (and other American products) vehicles.

@van84agon

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilsixone well dude when you get a crap product, do you buy from the same company again? nope. I've done the same with VW, there is no reason why a well maintained vehicle should fail under 80,000km. once bite twice shy. also I was joking a little in my reply, but one persons humour is anothers slapdown. thanks

You definitely nailed it on those engines! My mom had an ‘88 Coupe DeVille with a HT 4500. It was smooth and peppy but leaked a lot of oil.

Very much enjoyed the skinny on GM motors. Wish I had this information years ago. Thank you!

I'd argue the post 2002 Ford Triton 5.4, v-8, is absolutely the worst motor in current history. We have a 99 triton that has over 550K mi.s and still running strong. So, in 2004, we bought two 5.4's in our fleet. One blew up with 50K the other.... Well, 32K and done. It didn't even make it a year. Then we read about engines blowing with less than 20K. Unless the engine is replaced and you're looking at a low mileage 5.4, post 2002, truck, RUNNNNN!!!!!! Even if it's cheap. The replacement cost is over 8K for engine and labor!!! RUN!!!!

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. They’re bad.

@travelingwithrick

2 жыл бұрын

Those are 3 valve not the 2 valve. Right post 2002 3 valve. Mine a 2000 5.4 triton. 240k

@chuckhaugan4970

2 жыл бұрын

@@travelingwithrick Yes sir!!! We love our 99 with the 2v. That engine burns 1/2 pt of oil every 2000 mi.s with over 550K mi.s on it and never failed an emissions test. Ford "redesigned" the head and timing guides (installed plastic guides in 2002.5). Two things happen: oil ports clog or the timing guides fail with both having catastrophic results to the engine. But, like all cars with coil packs, we learned if one fails, replace them all. That's really the weakest link on Ford parts across all engine lines. BTW, other than our Ford 7.3, diesel pickups, that 99, 1/2 ton, is our lowest cost per mile truck we've ever owned. Get this, the alternator went 170K and the water pump is still 300K. We replaced the original transmission after the solenoid pack went out with a little over 400K mi.s. We are so confident that engine will go another 200-300K mi.s. And, this truck is a 4 wheel drive we use as a "knock around" in the winter months. So its sees some rough conditions. It was my daily commuter for over 15 years, so I'm sure that's why it's lasted: I'm a maintenance freak and fix problems before it festers to an issue. Just an amazing engine and truck.

@CJColvin

2 жыл бұрын

@@chuckhaugan4970 What about the Ford 5.0L Coyote V8.

@mikee2923

2 жыл бұрын

I have always had a company van for my job. Mostly Ford Econoline E350. Most companies used Fords because they were the most reliable and best built until they started putting the 5.4 Triton engines in them. It seemed they always would blow spark plugs out of the head. When they were taken back to the Ford dealer, they wanted to replace the heads for a ridiculous price. They certainly didn’t do themselves any favors with that. The Econoline vans however were much better than the crap pile Transit vans they make today.

Chevy Vega is the main one that comes to my mind. That whole car was junk. I doubt that there any still around? Are you going to do a video like this for Ford?

@johnchildress6717

2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine hit a small deer with his.Not much body damage to the car but the head gasket blew..Gm put 3 engines in his little Gt.

@jimjamauto

2 жыл бұрын

I see Vegas at the drag strip and that's about it

The aluminum Vega engine block contained a high percentage of silicon. After boring, the cylinders were etched leaving a wear surface of silicon particles. The pistons were iron plated. This worked great until the iron started flaking off of the pistons, which in turn chewed up the bores causing the engines to fail. Other car manufactures successfully use the same aluminum alloy today.

BTW... I really enjoy your videos, Adam. Your knowledge of classic GM cars from the 60s and 70s is great, and of particular interest to me, as I grew up in that era, buying and driving GM cars, exclusively.

@RareClassicCars

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Very good video. I currently own an 85 Eldorado Biarritz with the HT4100 engine. It's definitely not a high performance engine but does get good mileage. I'd like to add one point, GM tarnished the image of the diesel engine so badly that even today there virtually is no market for diesel powered passenger cars in the U.S. Volkswagen also added to that in the 2000s but it was GM'S I always heard about the most.

Glad to hear GM stays consistent through the decades with soft cams. I recently started working on a Police fleet of Tahoes and I have replaced more camshafts in GM vehicles in 6 months than I did in 16 years working for Toyota and Ford combined.

This is a very informative video. I witnessed all of this growing up watching people "put up" with these vehicles. I've also heard about other problems GM has had with their cars during this time too. The "big picture" side of me says that this was caused more by the senior leadership of GM. It seems they were trying to cut costs because they wanted to answer to shareholders and make a bigger profit. As if the government hasn't been ruthless enough to the US auto industry (they could care less), GM could've planned better and worked harder to serve customers before serving stockholders. Everything about GM is doing whatever they can get away with as cheaply as possible and the customer pays for it.

@davidpowell3347

2 жыл бұрын

1986 Lincoln had a simple light iron V8 engine with fuel injection which really did,like the advertisement said,run rings around the competitor Cadillac of the same era.

thanks for the info ... great channel

all reasons why GM went from having over 50% market share to where they are today.... Toyotas and Hondas became popular because people could no longer depend on GM vehicles to be dependable like they were in the 50's and 60's

@CJColvin

2 жыл бұрын

Sad but true and GM is having another recall on they're V8 engines misfiring and going out as well.

@Wheresthebeef172

2 жыл бұрын

Yea Honda and Toyota dealerships dont even have service departments, lol

@stevejohnson1397

2 жыл бұрын

Disagree I have a 2010 Chevy Cobalt with 154,000 miles on it yeah I have put a timing chain it but come on people with newer Vehicles you have to keep up on your maintenance most people don't you want to look at the fault don't blame the manufacturer frame the owner for not keeping up on maintenance the end.

The diesel converted from gas 350s had to be on there. My father had one, never had real issues with it but sold it quickly after buying new because it was a dud performance wise and soon after it turned into a breakdown nightmare for GM..

Great information! Have experiences with the Vega, yep, burned oil! Could you or would you do a breakdown on the Cavalier motors of 03-04-05 2.2 Ecotec? I've heard horror stories about these engines! But yet my 03 has 268k and 1 cam chain change out. Just drove 1100 miles visiting our Daughter, is so QUIET and SMOOTH! at a light, sometimes I think it stalled or shut off?? Then a quick glance at the tach shows it's still running. Keep up the great info!!!!!!

Great video! I watched the ones you did on worst Ford and Chrysler engines and just today saw the GM worst. I knew that the 4 cylinder Chevy Vega engine would be on your list because my Dad had bought a 1974 Vega GT with a manual 4 speed tranny. It was fairly fun to drive for the time as I had just gotten my driver's license then, but as you said the motor rapidly turned into a terrible oil burner. We were running 20W-50 in it after awhile just to try to slow the consumption down, to no real avail. You also mentioned the internal electric fuel tank which was in the fuel tank. Well that also failed within a year or two. Following that, Dad sold the car.

Adam, Would "GM's Rankest Engines Ranked" be a suitable alternative title? 😂

I would love to see a list of all the junk GM branded engines of more recent times, maybe from the last 10-15 years. Coming full circle more than 40yrs later from your examples in this video, very few GM branded engines have gotten any better😂👍

This was really interesting! Thank you,

Your channel is basically Car Biz University. I feel like I'm in class filling up my notebook!

Well, now you know you're going to have to do a best engines of all time: GM....😉

@nthgth

2 жыл бұрын

Easy list to top: LS1, buddy

Bill @ Curious Cars discussed his theory on why Cadillac went "Down The Tubes" (ty George Carlin) when they began offering easy financing and making them 'too' available to the masses. He makes some good talking points, tho he's not mechanically inclined, but he studys his era's and gets his facts accross effectively, in between drags on a cigs and Coronavirus Whiskey swigs...

@ahartfie

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a good thing I wasn’t taking a drink when he commented that the closest some Lincoln engineers got to the Nurburgring was when they flew overhead and bombed it during the war. 😱

Really enjoy all your KZread videos! Since I'm a Mopar guy, will you be doing a best/worst of list for Chrysler Corp engines of the 1960s - 1990s? I'd like to nominate the 2.0 SOHC engine used primarily in the Neon, the 318 V8 which is a legend, and the 3.5 Pentastar engine used in the LH cars as three best of.

@RareClassicCars

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Interesting. The 3.5 over the 3.3?

@BrokebackBob

2 жыл бұрын

@@RareClassicCars I think so maybe? I owned an absolutely beautiful black 1993 Intrepid ES that came standard with suspension goodies and the 3.5. That car tracked like it was on rails and was amazing to drive. Mine had virtually all the luxury goodies including full leather upholstery and dual 8-way power seats if you can believe that! I feel like the entire LH series was an amazing achievement by Chrysler and the cab forward design was truly innovative as far as American cars and other car makers emulated it. I'm really interested in your views on the Chrysler of old and where things are now which is sort of depressing. I like to think of myself as car guy lite 😁. I take really good care of my cars like you but you are truly the next level and that's why I enjoy your KZread channel so much.

@BrokebackBob

2 жыл бұрын

I forgot to mention that you and I are both obviously early risers. You're up in lovely Michigan and I'm down here in South Central Indiana.

The Chevy to Cadillac progression served GM well until the 1980's. Those HT4100 were rushed to replace the V8-6-4 that had a huge class action suit against GM. The word on the street was when you heard the HT4100 making a "clicking" sound it was about to seize up. The techs were told to "shim the crankshafts" in some regions. This was because the 4100 aluminum block "flexed" and that would bind the crank and cam. I went into a Cadillac dealer in Janesville, Wi. and they had 19 Cadillacs with broken engines waiting for replacement engines. They had a Cadillac Master Guild Technician that was literally in tears because of what the GM execs had done to "his car". I really felt bad for that guy, because he worked so hard to attain his extreme high level of knowledge about what was once a great car. Fortunately, GM forced Roger Smith out and took the HT4100 and redeveloped it into the HT4900. GM ribbed and gussetted the engine block so it would not flex and added hardened sleeves into the aluminum block. This engine was in the '86 thru '89 Deville and was very reliable and a little more powerful. Cadillac also had problems with their 472 and 500 in engines. The Cadillac guys were always quick to tell anyone that their 472 was far superior to anything GM or their competitors made. That was a huge lie. Any tech that ever tore down a Cadillac 472 saw a very weak engine. Cast cranks, connecting rods, and pistons instead of far superior forged cranks rods and pistons like one found in the hi perf versions of Chevrolet's 396, 427, 454, and 502. These Chevy's easily made two to three times the horsepower and torque and were incredibly well designed and built. All Cadillac had to do was swallow their pride and put the big block Chevy into their cars, and people would have beat a path to their door. When the 350 Olds was put in the first generation Sevilles, Cadillac denied it was an Oldsmobile designed and built engine. It got to be if you owned a Cadillac and listened to the propaganda the sales guys were spewing, you were truly a dumb ass that knew absolutely nothing about cars and car engines. The truth is, Cadillac shares many components with other GM cars, like frames, front and rear suspensions, brakes, cooling and AC systems. The motor mounts position on most GM cars are identical. It is possible to mount Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile engines in any of those 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and 1990's rear wheel drive Cadillacs along with the Turbo Hydramatic 400 transmissions if they wanted to. The Olds 350 in the 1975 to 1979 rear wheel drive Sevilles, and the front wheel drive 1980 Sevilles and 1979-1980 Eldorados. Cadillac salesmen will deny that the engines are Oldsmobiles, so I bet a Cadillac salesman any amount of money that they were Olds built motors. He refused to bet me. Also, a 1971 thru 1977 Big Cadillac Deville or Sedan DeVille, and the Fleetwood Brougham become incredible cars with a mild Chevrolet 454. That 454 is 10 times the engine that the Cadillac 472 or 500 is.