Manufacturers need to realize these inflation markups are gone. The well has run dry. It’s not 2021 anymore. Plus the fact that interest rates are thru the roof. But they’re going to keep trying like the car manufacturers are right now. Going to end up with a lot of 2023 and 2024 units sitting until the end of 2025 to mid 2026.

@ledwallet1944

11 ай бұрын

With inflation this motorhome is worth $124, 438...Ask Biden he knows.

@JohnnyJenkins

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. Everyone else will realize this in the next 6 months I’d say. It’s gonna be a buyers market for years

@FairyChild_For_Freedom-Justice

11 ай бұрын

And it's well deserved 😂 What they did to us with those prices is unforgivable.

@allentanner9876

11 ай бұрын

There is NO such thing as B+ Just a marketing gimmick On a truck frame class C

@ledwallet1944

11 ай бұрын

But this is on a van frame...lol@@allentanner9876

The industry leading quality that Tiffin had is long gone and it shows throughout this coach. If you removed all the branding, the quality speaks Thor. No reflection on either of you. . . . great video as usual.

I'm going to keep saying it until someone makes one. Make an RV with driver and passenger seats that rotate 180 degrees and recline (these are your tgeater seats). Have attatchable/stowable tables for dining or work station. Put the dinette with bench seats across from the kitchen with storage under the seats. This saves at least a few feet on overall length or allows for a little more room in bedroom, bathroom or add a pantry or tall closet. Also, give me 2 burners on the stove. I also like an oven. Oven can be used as storage when not cooking. Also, sink cover does not need to be in 2 pieces.

Big shower and fridge .... but this one misses the mark in so many other ways. $211k ?????

@mattgreven7615

11 ай бұрын

trust me, nobody is paying that!

Because of your show. Now when I buy something at the store and my debit card is accepted I say 'Approved Bing'

@pameaves3170

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@foxcroftandrea3213

11 ай бұрын

😂

@comfortouch

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, but do you point?

Than you Jesus!!! Theater seating!!! I saw the screenshot of the floorplan showing a backbreaking dinette and I was devastated that I wouldn’t be able to sit comfortably and read or watch TV for an hour after my wife goes to bed😂

Would You say the theater seat is a Prime Perching Position?

790lb CCC is a no go for really anyone. Once you get two full size adults and some water in there you’re done. Great video though and looks like an amazing RV just need to move away from Mercedes.

@timgangloff

11 ай бұрын

All those drawers mean nothing if you can’t put anything in them. Waste of time.

@Travelingman724

11 ай бұрын

Look at all of this storage space that you can’t put anything in because you’ll exceed the cargo capacity

@scottmichaels6854

11 ай бұрын

That’s why this is a B+ and not a C. It’s sitting on a Class B chassis, therefore it has the same carrying capacity as a Class B but the box that Thor puts on it weighs more, therefore you lose some of your cargo carrying capacity. A class C typically has a pickup cab and chassis or a heavy duty Chevy or Ford van chassis.

@timgangloff

11 ай бұрын

@@scottmichaels6854 well maybe if they left out half of the cabinets you can’t use and a bunch of other superfluous stuff you’d have a more room for cargo. I’m sure the sofa and a few other items have lighter options.

@JohnSeitz

11 ай бұрын

The driving position and quality of safety on a Sprinter. Can’t be touched by the crappy e450 ford - heck driving that is a chore and zero safety.

Matt, have you ever done a review where the motor home didn’t have mirrors? And is there a tire you don’t love? 😂😂

@kirkwcowgill

9 ай бұрын

Yes. He doesn't always say "I love those"

LOL - yes, Matt, I did click because the video description said B+. A second burner to the cooktop would have been nice. The bathroom is amazing. My cats can sleep above the cab. Thanks Matt & Andrea ☺

Hi Matt and Andrea! My likes are the Murphy bed, the bathroom and the fact there are two TVs one fir the theater seats and Murphy bed. Don’t like the wet bay and the bunk and should be more storage. Thank you Matt and Andrea!

Nice but 730lbs. But come on.

@andrewlabat9963

11 ай бұрын

Weak chasis and motor. Wouldn't waste my money..

Nice to see all electric moving from Bs to B+/Cs. And I like that door better than the usual flimsy RV double door. Too bad about the OCCC, makes this motorhome useless. And it's not a Mercedes proble, it's Tiffin. Made the motorhome too big with too big a slide. There are Sprinter Cs out there with 1700 lb OCCCs.

You have to be kidding on the price of this thing.

Even though the overhead bunk is small, I like it for extra storage that cabinetry would limit.

@largol33t1

8 ай бұрын

But as several others pointed out, the dodgy build quality throughout the entire coach is a deal breaker.

I have to disagree with your statement on OCCC "This has nothing to do with Tiffin (or Thor) but has everything to do with Mercedes". Ah...every cutaway Sprinter chassis leaves the Mercedes factory essentially weighing the same. It has everything to do with the manufacturers and the house they build on that cutaway chassis. That is why you see the variation among manufacturers on near identical floorplans (compare apples to apples), and the variation can be over 200 lbs. Consider your review of the identical 2021 25RW Wayfarer with electric murphy bed and the theater seats that had an OCCC of 910 lbs compared to the 730 lbs. I guess the question is what has Thor been doing because it is the same generation chassis supporting both models. That might be something to talk to Thor about when you see them in Germany. The other issue, I'm not certain how I feel about the induction cooking. When you have a pacemaker, you become aware of electromagnetic fields to avoid or minimize contact. Haven't seen any solid research, but some conflicting. IT kind of falls into the "Yeah, it is probably OK, but keep 3' distance" - which is impossible when cooking.

The cargo capacity is ridiculous. And I hated that curtain until you found the storage cabinet for it. It looked like a pain to get it all stuffed in there tho.

The cargo carrying capacity is laughable. You can carry more weight in a Honda Civic. After filling up the diesel and water tanks, a box of Twinkies and Matt put you over the limit.

I agree with Matt and would deny the valance above the theater seats, because the left side pattern isn't centered the way the right side is, and it would drive me nuts. Must be the Thor influence. 😲

Love valances, love the center wood feature on them. Classier than those found even on many Class A’s! I hope the new Mercedes chassis will help the OCCC and towing capability. I love this unit but the CCC alone stops me. I can’t imagine how it doesn’t stop everyone!

Great RV now put it on a different chassis so there is some real CCC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So sorry no gas, I love to cook on gas, so that's my big dislike, I'm not a fan of murphy beds, so that would be my,,3rd. I love the size of the unit and the colors of the outside are beautiful!!!! Great job as always guy's, and Good luck in Germany!!!

Thank you so much for always share the CCC Thank you Andrea for always remember that..

I would say that the number 1 reason I will never buy a class C motor home is the overhang!! Even this is pushing what I would buy because of how high it is.

I saw one of these today at the 2023 Hershey RV show today. I agree it has the best shower even better than a travel trailer shower and the murphy bed is great.

Hit and miss. Love the bathroom, not crazy about dependents on generators. No solar is mentioned. Last miss, only one burner for cooking. No outside BBQ or grill. I want to like it. Great job as always. Thanks!

@mattgreven7615

11 ай бұрын

The nice thing about Tiffin's is, if you don't see features you want on one model, look for one a year or 3 older--they are constantly changing things. My 2020 has solar, outdoor grill hookup, etc.

The real best Class B bathroom is in The Coach House Arriva 24TB. It’s a dry bath. BTW, Matt! I will miss Hershey this year. We’re doing a fall trip to Branson. I’ll see you in Tampa.

Great review as always Wishing you success at the RV show despite the scheduling for the holiday weekend. Hope it doesn't reduce the attendance too badly.

Bless you guys...I love the comfort level of TV's and Murphy and couch and theater seats and tv's in right places..if you do switch to cabinets above keeping driving hole.head place important in this size to me. Also all the storage is doable...really nice sized drawers and Kitchen and room behind the TV's..I think the finishing were nice and a little heavy maybe,,,700 would keep you paired down,,would that include the diesel and water? The bunk is perfect for the little person that MIGHT want to spend the night with ac at family rendez-vous or just a neat place to have the perfect sized storage bins on each side for something not to heavy but say bedding and towels..you would need most ideally a strong flip up added to do your other dish in a crock pot or electric frying pan...like spaghetti meat sauce and noodles...but you would just get the hang of doing things with what you have. I have heard those convection circular rack this one has work well in putting a could of veggie pieces a couple meat pieces and a say a big potato split or whole for an easy dinner at home. I can see keeping half of the lid on the sink helping in cooking. That bed looked like you had an inch to spare as well to lay a thin topper on it and very very easy.

I prefer a dinette. My fav Murphy bed coach is the Entegra 26M with the fireplace, outside kitchen, U-shaped dinette etc...

This is my dream van. I’ve admired it for years. The new Tiffin B+ without a slide would be a tough decision on which I would prefer.

Actually the CCC is Tiffins issue. Check the curb weight. Love love your videos! Hope you enjoy Germany

@andrewlabat9963

11 ай бұрын

No it's not. Have you seen any review of a Mec RV, they all have horrid CCC. They're under sized chassis and under powered.

Other than what I previously mentioned, it's a beautiful travel van. I am not a travel van person, but this travel van B+ caught my attention.

Love the bathroom.

I noticed valanced were not evenly matched right away. And what is going on with the one burner? Ccc is the deal breaker though. All it would do is look good in my driveway. My jaw dropped when I saw the price. Are there any good decent rv’s with Mercedes chassis out there-for a couple?You guys are awesome though. Thanks for all your hard effort and great videos!

Love the bath room and the 2 TVs. I agree with you Matt that they should put cabinets instead of the bunk above the cab. Should have 2 burners instead of one. Great video Matt & Andrea. Hope you both are have a great time.

I ❤ the bigger models but this 1 is perfect for me and my wife because you can drive this literally anywhere oppose to a larger 1 towing your vehicle

Perfect RV

give me a dinette come on, why would I need two couches???

Upper bunk will be perfect place for grandchildren under 10! 🥳

We have a 21 25rw. it looks like Thor is taking some small things away. We have a light up bathroom mirror. Wife loves it. They quit hiding the pocket bathroom door. (looks cheaper to me) one burner cooktop(really)? They took away the solid surface slide out counter extender. (we use it a lot) . They quit finishing the front of the fridge. We have matching wood panels on front ofo ours. blends into cabinets more and flush. We like our motorized murphy bed eventhough they will eventually break. They also took away the dedicated Wayfarer service center. It will be missed. With all these small change dislikes, the 25RW is still the best small class C in our opinion.

I’d swap out the theater seating for a trifold to have another bed. I can live without the propane a small grill with the little tanks is very doable

That Shower!!

Is there not a American Chasis that they can use, Mercs fill up the msrp really fast. Like a 3L small diesel, does cummings have a small diesel?

love it!

Hey. Did you notice the valence pattern is different from left to right...? lol. Although the bathroom is nice, you don't live in it. I don't like this floorplan, the fridge facing the middle of the bed...I like the pocket door. The rest is deja vu, old stuff, ols colours. Regarding the OCCC you should look at what Leisure travel is doing and they still do not compromise on quality!

Very nice van!

Unfortunately, Tiffin is now a Thor😩and Matt, you and Andrea alone take up over half of this RVs embarrassing CCC😳and that 1 burner cooktop is a total joke for those of us who don’t eat out every night like you do😂

Is there any rvs like the 2021 Newmar Ventana 4329 with 2 full bedrooms

How ya doing in Florida guys? Hope you are staying safe! ❤🙏

The pattern on the valances isn't even symmetrical or lined up on either sude if the middle medallion. This is such poor quality and lack of attention to detail.

I liked pretty much everything. I just wish you would have went into details on how the toilet works.

Cabinets over the cab would be better, but with the limited cargo capacity that might be an issue.

Need a 2 burner cooktop, get rid of that curtain near the microwave and cooktop. Does it have solar, Li batteries? I like the floorplan but would have liked the cabinets lighter color.

@SpykersB

11 ай бұрын

U must have blinked while watching the video at 2x the speed to have missed the curtain cabinet.

Can you put a dinette in place of the theater seats

#1 big shower. #2 nice Murphy Bed with room to get into bathroom easily. #3 like the chairs with tables instead of dinette. Dislikes and being picky here but #1 don’t like the little bulkhead over driver seats, #2 wish kitchen had pull out storage doors for food. #3 would have preferred 2 stove rings for cooking rather than one.. Really can’t call them dislikes, but more of a case of preferences. That bigger shower is amazing especially for a larger woman.

hi matt & cutie , You should make a disclaimer to Californian's Rv with generators are NOT allowed to be imported.

When I think “B+”, I think of a unit I wouldn’t have to have the slide out extended to put the bed down or of a unit that doesn’t have slide outs at all.

We are looking for something under 30 ft. With a comfortable sitting area and permanent bed. We like the one you and Andrea bought but don’t want dinette, want comfortable sofa and maybe barstools and counter to eat at. Only traveling as a couple

I love everything about this except the ccc, but it’s not a deal breaker

No, calling it a B+ didn't fool me for a minute. Tiny C would be more accurate. Not crazy about the Murphy beds, but I guess we know what the solution to that is. Otherwise, it's quite nice, except the wet bay is a little jumbled.

@scottmichaels6854

11 ай бұрын

Thor, who owns Tiffin, calls it a B+ because its a Van chassis with an attached RV box. It’s a slightly bigger Class B which is why the cargo carrying capacity is so low. If it were a class C, it would be on a pickup chassis and you could carry more weight. It IS a Class B+, because it has everything a B has with a little more room.

So hilarious 😂

👍🤘Thank you! Thank you!👍🤘💙💚💙💚

Not a fan of any bunk over cab,but this one is a really bad choice.

Who can I contact without someone checking my credit at this time? I won't purchase now but will in a couple of years. How should I do this? I want to stay with this product.

Why is there no ladder? Thanks in advance

I prefer the Thor 25RW that has two slides. Just wish it wasn’t Thor quality.

👍

nice

RollTide all day🐘🏆

For the same money, you can get the Nexus super C 4x4.

What difference between a Mercedes 2024 chassis vs. 2023?

Pretty nice for a B+. Dislikes: no ladder (deal breaker), addaptive cruise control, too tight with slides in (deal breaker), roll tide, no dinette, msrp. Likes: full body paint, Benz, central vac, bathroom. Never heard the ccc?

Tiffin is just above

LOVE bathroom. Question quality of everything else.

So, with the limited cargo carrying capacity, is this thing insurable? Think about it, 2 adults and cargo will be over 700 plus pounds.

Is that the first PPP in a B+?

The larger shower is great. Not sure I'd want to be without the propane. Less outdoor bay storage than on my 2020. Nice that the genny is now on the work side--it was pretty loud on the fun side. Love my Tiffin RW!

Washer dryer combo?

@SpykersB

11 ай бұрын

No ccc for one 😂

No, Matt, we clicked on this video for you and Andrea! Can I get a Ford chassis?

@SpykersB

11 ай бұрын

I want a ram chassis 😂

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Fridge barely opens with side in. Did it open with the bed out? You didn't show that. The low CCC is Tiffens fault, they chose to use that Mercedes chasis!!!

Geaux Tigers!

Superbe

So, what is gunna happen when gas prices cruise past 10 dollars a gallon to who knows where. My plans of buying a nice class B in a year will most likely be squashed. I may have to go with a basic diy 2020 transit el high roof build. That way I can afford the gas.

No solar either? Valance almost completely covers the window above the bed.

Not my favorite. Would rather have a Leisure c or Nova B+ with rear bath. Thanks for the video.

Is the leak extra? 🤣

I liked this less and less the more you showed. I guess I gotta keep looking, and binging your channel.

Such a bummer its on a Mercedes chassis. They are so hard and expensive to get work done. I'd rather it use the transit or even the promaster chassis.

Those of us who don't go into dozens of RV's a day wouldn't know the valences are the ssme so...

But the specs say 12 gal LP ??? WTH

That almost looks like a class C.

And coach Saban owns a Mercedes plant in T Town

If your talking to Thor's CEO tell him to get their Heads out of their backsides, get on top of Quality Control, as for at least since 2017 there is little to no Quality Control. We are at nearly $10K in out of pocket repairs for MANUFACTURING DEFECTS ! I WOULDN'T TAKE ANOTHER THOR PRODUCT, IF IT WAS GIVEN TO ME

Nice big shower , i bet that gray tank is so small ,that you only get 3 mintue showers ,before it turns cold and tank full.

1 burner is a dislike

Where is the SHOW? You keep advertising it but don't say where it will be....

With a CCC like that, evwryone is going to be riding overloaded. A full tank of fresh water, 200lb driver, 120lb passenger, and you're already basically at the limit. No gear, no anything because you'll be overloaded. Wow.

The valances aren't even from one side to the other.