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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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@Messerschmidt109
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a 1 life campaign in vr
@timmoles9259
2 жыл бұрын
That kicked Ass
@sanjeever82
2 жыл бұрын
There's no way to explain to someone what VR is like til they just frickin try it. It's really mind blowing.
@gj1234567899999
2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how useful those tail gunners were in real life
@il2_sturmovik
2 жыл бұрын
Wait until you try it with our new clouds.
Imagine explaining to someone in 1916 that in just 100 years you would be "playing" what they experienced for fun, wild.
@aprylrittenhouse4562
2 жыл бұрын
Theyd probably be very insulted
@Dozornui
2 жыл бұрын
@@aprylrittenhouse4562 or darkly amused
@greatkentuckian9032
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dozornui Future Boi: Hey there! I know what it's like to to be in a dog fight without dying in real life! WWI Pilot: ....interesting.
@m0rvidusm0rvidus18
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine telling Northern Europeans in 1916 that in just 100 years they'd be minorities in their own cities and that White Americans would be minorities in their country in the youth demographic.
@lgrace3874
Жыл бұрын
@@m0rvidusm0rvidus18 I'd tell him that his great-great mixed race grandson twerks at Pride parades and then ask him if it was worth it.
Next logical step is "World War 1 Dogfights in Real Life Are Insane"
@jmace5964
2 жыл бұрын
Adam savage did it. he used Peter Jackson's ww1 airplanes rigged with a fancy laser tag system
@gascan
2 жыл бұрын
There's a few replicas and historical aircraft. Just gotta find someone willing to let him fly or take him up in a two-seater...
@Errorcutive
2 жыл бұрын
MAN AND MACHINE AND NOTHING IN BEETWEN.
@qp4565
2 жыл бұрын
@@jmace5964 that’s fucking cool is there a video?
@jmace5964
2 жыл бұрын
@@qp4565 yeah just search adam savage ww1 planes. Peter Jackson had the planes built for him super impressive cause he had a company straight up cast and machine copies of their original engines so they sound proper
Holy crap you hear them scream in their burning planes. That's a bit raw.
@peterweller8583
2 жыл бұрын
Kind of dark too.
@laihela
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure he edited that in lol
@goddtzu4008
2 жыл бұрын
@@laihela i am pretty sure it's in game
@luccaprado1
2 жыл бұрын
He edited it in, which was a nice touch
@peterweller8583
2 жыл бұрын
@@luccaprado1 I guess you'd know (or I will take your word Mr. (Faerber))
Accessories required for this game in VR: Fan, variable speed. Hot plate, on high. Pan, cast iron. Castor oil, for true olfactory immersion.
@supermariokid6913
2 жыл бұрын
and a killer in your room so you really fell scared
@tauront
2 жыл бұрын
@@supermariokid6913 lmao!
@Errorcutive
2 жыл бұрын
@@supermariokid6913 nah try playing under a coconut tree.
@INTHEWILDERNESS-00
2 жыл бұрын
one of those rocker devices on your chair so it feels like your plane is about to come apart.
@DVAFP
2 жыл бұрын
And a barf bag
That ending was like an epic movie climax, especially with the artillery rounds hitting all around you coming in while gliding. That was some main character energy there.
@Ironhandjohn
2 жыл бұрын
The chunk of missing propeller was a nice touch.
@nealb6974
2 жыл бұрын
It was like the ending in Dunkirk
Damn this is like aerial murder simulator, WWI dogfights are just brutal.
@roadsweeper1
2 жыл бұрын
You are aware this wasnt just one fight :P he edits them together to make it seem like one, watch his ammo counter, it keeps resetting back to 500 :)
@SlyBlu7
2 жыл бұрын
@@roadsweeper1 Not 100%, but if this is based on the IL-2 engine and he's playing online, there IS a mechanic that refills your ammo so that fights don't just turn into people ramming each other.
@Ordomalleus40k
2 жыл бұрын
@@SlyBlu7 ah yes ramming!!!! I love this strategy in world of warships
Ducking is the best sign of immersion! All you need is to have a can of used motor oil on your desk in front of the fan for olfactory ambience to complete the experience! This is so cool! The courage of the pilots back them is amazing.
@peterruiz6117
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea ! A man had little to choose from, as far as "way to go"...The trenches were way worse, in my view.
@enzannometsuke8812
2 жыл бұрын
Castor oil lol (gives you the runs, thats what the stiff whiskey post flight is for)
@elcidS15
2 жыл бұрын
And a revolver in case you get set on fire.
@highflya2709
2 жыл бұрын
Castor oil is what was used.
@davidtoth8975
2 жыл бұрын
@@highflya2709 Only in rotaries. Inline engines, like this Fokker's used regular engine oil.
I find this more enjoyable due to natural head movements in the cockpit, good one
@Gunter_Severloh
2 жыл бұрын
TrackIR 5 is good too.
@jimlthor
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gunter_Severloh I have both TrackIR and VR. This game is so much better in VR. It actually runs really well now. I still use my TrackIR for DCS because VR doesn't quite run well enough for me.
Just for the record. GS is flying on our WWII winter Stalingrad map hence the artillery bombing the city. We also have a summer themed WWI Arras map (which comes with FC1) that you can fly over which is a much more suitable WWI environment. Our new much larger WWI Western Front map is under development for Flying Circus Vol II and III.
@GrowlingSidewinder
2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to trying your new ww1 map once it comes out lots of exciting things for IL-2 in store down the road.
@darkcognitive
2 жыл бұрын
I’m confused as what to buy, Is this the Stalingrad Great Battles game or is it Flying Circus I ? (I played IL2 Cliffs of Dover years ago, all these new versions are confusing me, lol). Would love to give some ww1 dogfighting a go though, i have Rise of Flight as well, just noticed its the same team.
@GrowlingSidewinder
2 жыл бұрын
@@darkcognitive This is Flying Circus brother
@darkcognitive
2 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Ahh ok sweet thanks. Their whole IL2 lineup is just mega confusing….Some on steam, some not on steam, some require others to work, some don’t…..thanks for clearing that up though i will check it out for sure.
@sbg911
2 жыл бұрын
@@darkcognitive Even more confusing is that FC1 (WW1) is not its own game but a DLC for IL2 Battle of Stalingrad (WW2)...
There were some comments I saw earlier, can't seem to find them now about hand signals. Yes, we have modeled several hand gestures that the pilots can make. Hit the tilde key and choose pilot gestures. You can also shoot different colored flares and shoot pistols.
@abandonedaccount123
2 жыл бұрын
wow, that's awesome!
Dude, you probably couldn't have chosen a better plane to fly in. The Fokker DVII came along later in the war, but is arguably the best fighter of WWI. It was that good it was even mentioned by the Allies in the Versailles treaty, telling the Germans that they hand to hand all of them over.
@jessasnamoi
2 жыл бұрын
There were actually two better planes: The Siemens-Schuckert D.IV was the "premium plane" which was of higher overall quality and the Fokker D.VIII which was a monoplane & only in action for the last few weeks of the war (but proved even deadlier than the D.VII). Still, the D.VII was feared by the Entente and was the most successful mass-produced WW1 fighter. I only wanted to point out that there is still more to "discover". ;)
@Pablo668
2 жыл бұрын
@@jessasnamoi Thanks!
Johnny described a dogfight for his classmates, saying "These Fokker's flew down in a surprise attack... " just then the teacher told everyone that a Fokker was a German WWI fighter. "Yeah, but these Fokker's were Messerschmidt's" Johnny replied. lol
i love how GS is obviously reacting out of fear hahaha... every time i hear bullet hits on the aircraft he instinctively docks down hahaha.... this is the best VR showcase I've seen so far... definitely makes people jealous and want to try
10:25 About that concept of letting the enemy live as long as they’re out of the fight, there was also a general rule in WW2 against shooting crippled aircraft or especially men in parachutes. In fact, I heard that a Luftwaffe officer or something directly told the pilots under his command that if they shot a man who had bailed out of his plane, he’d kill them himself, or something along those lines. Even the German pilots in that war took those rules of engagement very seriously. In fact, that one bf-109 pilot that spared a crippled B-17 that wasn’t able to shoot back, and was barely keeping itself in the air at low altitude, explained that the reason he spared it was because to him, shooting it down would have been no different from shooting a parachute. Meanwhile in War Thunder, no such morals exist. If you’re crippled and trying to make it back to base, the other players will finish you off with no hesitation.
@randomnutz6307
Жыл бұрын
Bf1 will go after your wife and kids, or camp spawn or bomb your Allies
@PlasticMoviesWithToySoldiers
Жыл бұрын
The red Baron said that if he saw you kill a parachuting pilot he’d shoot you himself
@Ben_Kimber
Жыл бұрын
@@PlasticMoviesWithToySoldiers I see.
That was excellent, really enjoyed every minute, hopefully we get to see more? 👍😉
@debbiestimac5175
2 жыл бұрын
Oh we will see more, Growling is a machine. Though he has inspired me too. Time for me to contribute to the community and lead from the front like him!
The excitement of WW1 open air cockpit dogfights without any of the downsides is literally what humanity has been waiting for, it's literally the intended culmination of all we have been teching for.
Flying in a WW1 fighter in my Occulus Quest 2 is probably the most visceral experience I ever had! It really transports you into what pilots in that era experienced and it is both thrilling and scary at the same time.
@Combersome
2 жыл бұрын
Do you use the Joystick, Throttle and pedals when using the Quest 2?
@jimlthor
2 жыл бұрын
@@Combersome I do. It's so awesome.
@jakethesnake9621
Жыл бұрын
Dude how did you set that up? My quest 2 won’t connect to IL2
so when are you and LongShot going to team up in that plane with the rear gunner?
@Robert53area
2 жыл бұрын
When 2 dummies take on the kaiser... let's go
@yowza234
2 жыл бұрын
I would thumb this up but you already have 69 likes
I love how my Oculus gives me the 1:1 scale when I'm playing Elite Dangerous. After you landed and said "I'm safe", then the shell hit just ahead of you, I laughed and said "Are you sure?".
BEST VIDEO EVER!!! Just an Awesome video. I am so jealous of the fun you had in this. I mean I have watched a lot of your stuff and nothing has compared to this!!! MORE MORE MORE!!!!
@Errorcutive
2 жыл бұрын
Yo how do you do those planes emoticon ???
@Matterian
2 жыл бұрын
@@Errorcutive You have 2 options on the page Subscribe and Join. You click Join and support the channel, you get exclusive content. and the emots.
I grew up playing red baron and blue max, so this is hitting my nostalgia bone.
@burtpanzer
2 жыл бұрын
Red Baron II is a great game...
Welcome to the club! :D There isn't any other experience quite like WW1 in VR. Easier to aim, too. Edit: Try a Bristol F2B with two overwing guns. Closest thing to a heavy fighter that still turns. The Dolphin can mount two additional guns, but it's a little clunkier with that much added weight.
@wutang9641
2 жыл бұрын
What kind of setup would you recommend for someone that wants to get into WW1 VR? I used to play a lot of war thunder but this looks awesome
@gascan
2 жыл бұрын
Flying WW1 dogfights in VR is the best experience I have ever had in a flight sim. The planes have lower performance and lower lethality, so the fights start much closer and take place at much closer range. By the time WW2 rolled around, the fights are starting at a range when I can barely ID the target. In WW1, I can tell if its a Fokker or an Albatros that I am attacking well before I have to worry about getting shot at. Once the fight begins I get close enough to see the pilot, to see the squadron and personal markings so that I know who I am fighting. Its much more personal and immersive. @@wutang9641 The best graphics card and CPU you can afford (IL2 is pretty CPU bottlenecked, so both are important). Most of the modern headsets are plenty good. I use the Valve Index, but the HP Reverb and Reverb G2 are good, as is the Oculus Quest 2 with the link cable to connect to the PC.
@wutang9641
2 жыл бұрын
@@gascan Thanks!
@finntastique3891
2 жыл бұрын
@@gascan Thanks for the info! 👍
Next time invite Longshot.
@Maria_Erias
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see GS and LS dual crew a Bristol.
This game is f***ing insane 🤯 I don't think games are supposed to be this terrifyingly real...
*Man, on fire, screaming, firing his machine gun as his last act of life* "That guy, you gotta admire that guy" I lost it lol
Even the landing looked scary; with VR must be a blast to fly the WWI planes, and also make it more personal.
"and we're safe" *BOOM* "Oh maybe not so safe..." 😂
Look at this guy trying to be humane... *"I was trying to kill this guy before he burned all the way down."* Trying to put him out of his misery before the NPC burns to death 🤣 respect
This video would make a great action sequence for a movie! Especially the landing among artillery explosions!
That was awesome. Keep up good work, it really felt like I was in plane with you. Wow, intense!
now imagine GS has Longshot on the back as a gunner, that would be funny to see and hear those comments :)
I gotta go check my shorts after this one. SCARY!
What an absolutely beautiful game. WWI air battles have always been fascinating to me. I think I'm sold; not only on the game, but also as a new sub. Well done!
Glad to see this getting the attention it deserves - when I played Il2 in VR for the first time I was blown away! Years of playing it on a flat screen and now feeling like im in the plane itself. As much as I love the ww2 planes, the flying circus addon is a whole new experience with the ww1 dogfights. It took a while before I realised the Spad isn't a fan of fast dives - I was convinced I was always shot up, and the plane wasn't just collapsing under the forces 🤣
Great video! Combination of realistic head movements and the chaos of the fight really had my adrenalin going 😬, epic landing too
LOVE the analog rounds counters on the guns.
VR is another world for IL2, after the first flight with my reverb G2, i pretty much abandoned my monitor.
Great vid! Im an old IL2 veteran when the first game first came out. Loved it to bits. Never got around to battle of moscow and its dlc. But this makes me wanna! I noticed the models from rise of flight. Really cool stuff! Also the part at 12:17 really got me. Perfec tuse of the BF theme :D You can imagine a real WWI pilots crazy survival story seeing this!
Hearing that guy scream when the plane was on fire going down gave me chills. Realism and Immersion factor X 10!
I absolutely LOVE your ww1 vids. Keep up the good work!
Dang, I have had this title for a year, I never saw just how amazing it is. The wing smoking your prop was gold. Installing it now.
Oh man....with VR you were dead on with your rounds...very cool! Lived to fight another day. Keep em coming!!!!
i only wish IL-2 had more players, only thing holding me back. Excellent underrated sim.
@LongTran-em6hc
2 жыл бұрын
It was once the best combat sim in the world, period. My first flysim, that I played for more than 10 years, thanks to the modding community
@badgermcbadger1968
2 жыл бұрын
@@LongTran-em6hc I think it still is for ww2
@badgermcbadger1968
2 жыл бұрын
The community is slowly growing so that's a good sign I guess
@JSpark135
2 жыл бұрын
People want to fly the planes they take the time to learn in online dogfighting, not the first one available, I don't think their multiplayer works in that aspect at all.
I am a tanker in games and I was infantry for real... But these videos from you really touched something in me. Many thanks for sharing this experience!
@GrowlingSidewinder
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching brother
Awesome vid! Since the first one, I was hoping to see this in VR and now that I have, damn that looks like fun.
Awesome stuff man. Was flying WW1 in the Red Baron 3D days and then Rise of Flight. Have to say this in VR looks amazing. 👍🏽👍🏽
So happy to see World War 1 flight sims getting some attention again. I've been playing them forever. Rad Baron, Dawn Patrol, Wings of Glory, Flying Corps, Red Baron 2 and then a long stretch of nothingness til Rise of Flight. Love em all. Have fun!
@hotcakesism
2 жыл бұрын
Loved the color paper maps that came with red baron, you needed them to navigate
Love these videos man, keep em coming! Bi-Planes in VR is awesome. 🤙💯
WW1 in VR is simply brilliant. The recently added four day mission is so much more intense than anything else I have played. Uber realistic. A real must for the purist. Great video as always Mr Sidewinder.
Fan blowing in face- ✔ VR goggles on? - ✔ Immersion is a go!
@montanazh
2 жыл бұрын
The game changer for be beside vr and wind was the buttkicker gamer 2. Can't fly without it anymore!
More rudder!! Those crates had to be flown with the rudder input hence the old term “stick and rudder.” Also lots of cross control input. I’ve flown several different museum scale radio control models of WWI planes and they are technical to fly well. Video looks great as usual GS, keep’em coming!
Nice to see some Flying Circus action and that you enjoy it so much. I've been on the fence for a long time.
VR extrapolates the gameplay experience ! And yes, I can understand you physically ducking. And agree about the real 3D perception, the fact to have a real scale world around you and the freedom to look naturally "any" way... even backwards. Yes, appropiate description for VR experience is : INSANE !!
Great content! Love the natural movement of the VR. Maybe we will see tacviews in the future? I'd like to see the positions of all the combatents during the fray to see the influence of situational tactics. How did you pick your targets? How did an enemy find and close in on you?
5:40 Just LOVE how the guy screams in pain as he's getting burned to a crisp! Macabre! (dastardly smile!) Nice touch...
My grandfather was an engine fitter working on Bristol Fighters during WWI. His rouse to get in the air was to try to fix an engine problem on the ground, and then announce that he really needed to hear it when airborne to make sure that the (insert spurious noise here) had properly disappeared when the engine was under more strain. You ordinarily weren’t allowed to fly unless you were an officer. Of course he was never involved in any fighting but it gave him the aviation bug. In WWII he was engineer aboard 63 foot ‘whaleback’ Air Sea Rescue Launches, plucking downed aircrew from the sea, as well as dropping off SOE agents off the coast of France. The launches had three 500hp Napier Sealion engines, so using just one to reduce the noise, they’d sneak up to the coast at night and drop off agents via an inflatable dinghy. His son worked on the tail assembly of the Canberra bomber, and later became head of the crashworthiness section at Sikorsky, working on the Black Hawk.
Wow, I’m brand new to this. Fantastic. A childhood dream has come true.
Damn fine video! Immersive! Congrats and gratitude to the first pilot who at the time of death, gave us neutral stick for the sweet and slow glide to his Earthly resting place.
PLEASE more of that! It felt realistic, even on a 2D-Video. Awesome!
Thanks Growler, sweet content man.
AWESOME vid!!! LOVED it thanks
Dude, all the intencity was transmitted. Wow, amazing
That's cool! I love the ww1 planes and dogfights , I gotta get this, thanks!!
This channel kicks butt, GS you ROCK bro,
@GrowlingSidewinder
2 жыл бұрын
No u rock Antonio
Amazing video, love the WW1 & WW2 content. Biplanes in VR reminds me of Flyboys!!
For those just getting into the game, the busy times for multiplayer are Thursday evenings and Sunday afternoons. If you are new, the discord link is in the server description; feel free to jump in and people will help you learn your aircraft. The best part of WW1 multiplayer is it doesn't take much experience to become and asset to the team. The learning curve on most of the planes is very shallow and the fights last long enough that you don't constantly insta-die. I hope to see GS join us for a campaign sometime.
YES I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE. THE VIDEO IS GREAT! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
That looks pretty badass. Growing up I played a lot of Red Baron on my old 486 and Red Baron 3D later on.
I always enjoyed the 1st person dogfight simulators. Even the earliest "3-D" raster graphics (line art) versions. (Approx. 1983) We used to hook up the cassette ports on 2 of our Radio Shack Color Computers (back to back) with a 4-pin patch cable (for communications), and run the program "P-51" (I know... WW2), using the keyboard or a joystick for control, and fly head to head. We would use a CRT color TV, (usually through the antenna on Ch3 or Ch4), and although the graphics "mode" was ONLY monochrome, by software resetting the interlace, it generated red or blue colored lines for the outlines of the aircraft and the 3-D world. Primitive by any current standards, but tremendous fun! I gotta go look in the attic now and dig out some antiques.
I played DCS, MSFS 2020 and IL-2 in VR and the IL-2 experience is by far the best.
Nice seeing you do VR - I cant play any other way any more in SIMs and its awsome in DCS (even more so with the upcoming updates mulitcore and stuff) - I do it with the 8K X Damn its hard hearing the guys scream !
Such a great video! That VR thing must be really great, I hope you will make more WWI content in the future (actually I like it the most). And you what is most weird thing about it? The whole real thing was more than one hundred years ago by now! :O
Damn man, there is something SO VISCERAL and PERSONAL about WWI dogfights. One thinks that the heyday of dogfighting was arguably WWII, but even then it seemed far more impersonal when compared to WWI. LOVE this series and would REALLY love to see a huge PvP dogfight!
proprioceptive: relating to stimuli that are produced and perceived within an organism, especially those connected with the position and movement of the body. Thanks for expanding my vocab, dude!
@GrowlingSidewinder
2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure brother
My great 3x grand uncle Otto served as a observer/gunner in German Imperial Air Service in WW1 flying in Hanovers and Rumblers from 1916 to 1917 after being wounded in action against French Spads , he was credited was 6 official victories in combat , wounded 4 times and shot down / force to land a staggering 9 times. He later transferred to Jasta 11 on ground staff in charge of supply. As a Lt in Reserve. He was awarded Iron Cross 1st class and second, observers badge , wound badge in silver . Surviving the war he later went to Canada in 1930 and stayed until 1960 and moved to Oakland, California until his death in 1991at the age of 95
Looks and sounds like a ton of fun! Thanks GS
I absolutely love this VR! Incredible video. Please do more WW1.
really been enjoying all these videos!
I think these guys had a life expectancy of 3 months, worth
Wow, that was incredibly immersive, and I didn't even have the benefit of the VR. Takes me back to my days playing Red Baron II.
“Alright, we’re safe.”
prociding to buy IL-2 on Steam right now, thanks for the video mate. Cheers.
I haven't flown in vr but I have flown with 3d glasses on before and I agree with everything you were saying, the increased depth perception made me far more deadly and accurate. Looking forward to the future of vr flight combat.
Nice landing Bossman especially in Virt. Real. That must've been tough.
man i have a Rift S and some VKbs sticks and this video is really making me wanna do this. i have not jumped into DCS yet. ive been playing star citizen with the sticks but i bought the Gunfighter sticks for aviation because of watching your channel. i know ill be moving to flight sims soon here. thank you for sharing these videos
Amazing. Looking forward to more vr content!
I've played Warplanes WWI VR, but this game takes it to another level! Very nice cinematic footage.
Now we need a modern aircraft dogfight in VR
@Mike_Romeo
2 жыл бұрын
We already have a few modern vr vids
@_wanted_outlaw3007
2 жыл бұрын
He done that alot go look.
That was SICK!
Thank you, more of these. I love the WWI stuff.
Looks fun. Gotta give this a try too
Best ad for VR. Thank you, buddy. Getting this game. See you in the skies.
Awesome. Try this with a gunner in the back against F-16 or F-22 dogfight.
@goddtzu4008
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
I know we are not personally watching this in VR, but FM each kill just seems to be so much more satisfying due to the skill required in this VR mode. At least watching YT videos that is....
More of these please. Looks amazing
Nice first landing! I still nose in alot, and ground loop every time.
Loved the ending! Got me all extra nostalgic.
Loving the ww1 and ww2 scenes my great uncle Harry was a tail gunner in ww2 was lucky enough to make it through the war loved his stories keep up the great work.
Flying Ernst Udet's Fokker DVII I see! fun fact about the Fokker DVII is that it was the only German aircraft specifically named on the terms of the armistice to be handed over to the allies. It was so advanced in many ways beyond what the allies were capable of producing.