Thank you Noble Q for the video explaining what has changed

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

I'm glad you found it helpful.

This seems to be the biggest balance change yet (at least in the 3 years or so I've been playing). I wonder if this was a transitionary step to the WoWP team tackling bombers? Obviously, the studio in Kyiv has much more pressing concerns than balancing the game, but I do appreciate the effort we've seen from them, especially over the last year (they were responsive to some change requests for the Re 2005 too, I believe). I still have hope that we'll see some new development in the not too far future (though XBK has already said on Discord that new maps are not something that is a priority for the team).

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

So far as a single plane is concerned, I think this is the biggest change, probably, since December 2018. Some months ago XBK categorically said bombers were not due to be nerfed. That may have changed, though this kind of information tends not to be shared any longer.

I played many many many games in a full turn build P61 using experimental/special project equipment and Mary Clarke it was pretty much a I win button, but recently I'd been have very good success rate killing them in another heavy, the FX5U, better than 70% in a 1v1. If you know.. you know. (psst.. stall speed). But I'm happy to see the nerf regardless and this really opens it up to having more variety. The B29C is a pain unless you are good at setting up a high/low Yo-Yo situation, the best heavy to counter a B29c player is the P82B, not because of the guns, but because you can flip any cap as fast as a B29c other than a mining plant and also have the guns to take one out if need be. Now if they have 2-3 B29c bombers.. welp you're screwed unless your team can pull through.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

I'm in complete agreement with everything you've written there, including what you say about the Pancake (a sneaky favourite of mine, even with the nerfed stall speed)! It's an interesting comment about the P-82B, because now you can flip sectors *and* be competitive with the P-61 instead just being a snack for it. I am hoping that we don't see a return to spamming of the B-29C. I've already seen more B-29Cs today than I've seen in weeks and that doesn't bode well. Either the WoWp team ought to adjust the match making so bombers can't be spammed or they need to nerf the overpowered ones. We shall see, I suppose.

Thank you for a great review, sir. Could you please tell where can I find the data about shell velocity, overheat time and autoaim angle online?

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

It's here: gamemodels3d.com/ But you may need a subscription to see the data for high tier planes (some people appear to have a way around this, but I was legitimate and paid!).

Well from game balance perspective the P-61 removes it from being an issue. Now all the tier 7 light fighters we got in the marathons from last year can outturn it. My only issue with this balance of P-61 is that it is utter crap now. I kind of didn't want it to be completely useless. I mean you can farm some points, but good luck winning games. On XP-54 I tried it too and there is basically no change. Overheat is still plenty long. So nerfs failed to balance anything with XP-54 IMO.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your observations, that's valuable information. I have yet to fly the nerfed P-61, but I thought the figures on paper suggested a significantly worse performance both in terms of manoeuvrability and firepower. I'll find out today when I put the rebalanced planes through their paces. I also thought that the nerf to the overheat cycle of the XP-54 was at least a second shy of what I thought it needed, so it's interesting to see you don't think it's been much affected - except possibly for players who aim sloppily!

I know that many will view these nerfs as a good thing, but like you eluded to, I see this as just an opening for more B-29C and other bombers at T8-T9. It is like the Aircraft Carrier "nerfs" in WoWS, WG must protect certain classes.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

That is certainly a worry I have about the P-61 nerfs. On balance, I'd rather have the P-61 nerfed and the B-29C released from purgatory than the P-61 remain as it is, but I wish both had been nerfed.

Regarding B29 the best killer for this plane is P 82B ! With attack from below or top no issue to kill B29 in one pass.rhis the only plane in the who can deal with specialize B29 so easy. I was so lucky to get it in crate and it's my favorite heavy on tier VIII.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

The key thing there is the attack from below or above and the problem for any plane is taking the time to get into those positions if the B-29C is spammed, so that you have more than one of them in the enemy team. This is what used to happen before the P-61 was introduced. Simply, with multiple B-29Cs to deal with, you haven't got the luxury of time to manoeuvre your plane into an advantageous position; or, if you take that time, the B-29C or -Cs you are not attacking may very well be busy winning the game for the enemy (this is a simplification because it ignores what you have on your team, but we're all familiar enough with bad match making to know your team's bombers may be no match for massed B-29Cs on the enemy team). The P-61 brought a stop to that because it had, and still has, the hit points to attack a B-29C from any angle whilst having the agility to see off all other heavies, most of the multiroles and even some of the fighters. Now it's lost the latter ability it's not going to be so strong a threat to the B-29Cs and if they return in force, you're not going to be able to stop them no matter how cleverly you play with the P-61 or, for instance, the Twin Mustangs. The foregoing applies to the EU server, but even with respect to the NA server, there's a strong implication that, owing to the potentially renewed threat of the B-29C, if you want to be competitive at tier 8, you'll have to fly heavies or the bomber itself. This kills variety in the game and bores people, particularly those who've made efforts to grind the tech tree planes only to find that few are meaningful against a B-29C (or the tier 10 bombers at tiers 9 & 10). This is why I am strongly encouraging the WoWp team to nerf the B-29C, the EF 131 and the Su-10. I hope they listen.

Had no idea this game still existed. I thought they discontinued it years ago.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

Viktor Kislyi put it on hold without actually killing the game in the middle of 2019, but there is now some limited development activity in the game. It's never going to be as big as Tanks or Ships though.

XP-54 shouldn't been nerfed, it should be just put on tier VII. Well, if it stays on tier VI, it should be nerfed more.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

That would have been an alternative approach. My opinion is that, probably, it would still have needed a nerf even if reallocated to tier 7, but certainly the WoWp team could have tried that first. As it is, I'm not sure the current nerf is enough and, if you're reading the comments, you may have seen the experienced @nikoladd state he thinks it isn't.

@maximshukanov3267

6 ай бұрын

@@TheNobleQ Yeah, I've seen this comment below, I tried XP-54 after nerf myself, and haven't even noticed any change at all =))

@bartlomiejmolczyk8492

6 ай бұрын

I didn't even notice nerfe of xp 54 and P 61. I guess it's about a playe style. Both are still very good. XP 54 should get shorter burst length and in my opinion it will be enough. P 61 needs still more maneuverability nerf.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

It's what I'm expecting to find too, regarding the XP-54.

@TheNobleQ

6 ай бұрын

However, regarding the P-61, the F-82E looks like it's now a P-61 killer, for instance, whereas before it was just another hit point piñata for the plane. The P-82B looks like it is a match for the P-61 and, bear in mind, all of the new tier 7 fighters, even the Reggiane Re. 2005, are going to have little problem outmanoeuvring a P-61. That's to say nothing of the P-80A, which now looks as if it will gobble up P-61s if well built, and other capable tier 8 fighters. I think on the EU server, where the player population is relatively high and the chances of encountering planes that are counters to the P-61 now much increased, it's even possible the P-61 has had its day. We'll see.