There are 6 cradles of civilization: Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, the Indus, the Andes and Mesoamerica

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

and finally such civilization blocs: 3 Wests: West Europe - germanic, latin, East Europe - greek, slavic, New continents - Americas and Australia whites, 3 Orients: Middle east - semitic, hamitics, Central asian - turkic, caucausian, iranic, South Asian - indians, 4 Asian: North Asia, East Asia, Southeast Asia, Amerindians, finally Black africa,

@tasiatasia1435

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen caucasian is not central asian lol. Whole caucasian languages, cultures, religion and lifestyle - Armenian and Georgian civilization were influenced by Greko-Roman world and Mesopotamian/Hebrew world. Slavic should belong to central asian civilization - scythes and other people who east europeans mixed the most with and shared history, traditions and territory.

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@tasiatasia1435 Slavic don't really belong to Central Asia, especially the Poles and Czechs, East Europe is mainly definited by Greek and Slavics, the East European bloc can be divided in to 4 category: Baltic an West Slavic, Balkan and South Slavic, Greece, East Slavic/Russland, so we have no place to put Armenia and Georgia inside, Russia, like Macedon empire is just one of the outside empires which have occupied and influenced Central Asia, even Tang Chinese and Arabian empirr have occupied Central Asian, if you find the word Central Asia doesn't fit, I can change by calling the Cacuassian-Turkic-Iranic culture-geographical sphere, ou Eurasian sphere, so all Indo-Europeans which are not Europeans, neither Indians, can be put in this category, for example, Hitties, Scythians, Persans,Sodigans, then Turlic normd come and mix with the local Indo-Europeans, one thing is sure neither European Union neither Arab league can't. include. them, so they form their own cultural-geological sphere,

@tasiatasia1435

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen lol russians and east slavs have more common with iranic and central asian people, than caucasians. Armenian,Georgian, ancient Albanian civilizations have no connection to either of that world. They were built on Greek-Roman-Byzantine mostly and partly middle eastern influence. - religion, alphabets, kingdoms and statehood. Caucasians started becoming officialy christians in 4th century, and you can find ancient churches, greek and roman writings there along with main alphabets. But if we go north to eastern europe - Ukraine and Russia territory, in the oldest time iranic people were living at their place. Slavs stayed pagans untill 10th century, and slavic paganism and iranic paganism has lots of stuff in common. In one of the old georgian sources, russians are called barbarians as well as "scythes" because they were both pagans and shared stuff/could be same people. So some people even considered russians and iranic people "scythians" to be the same. and after this iranic people, turkic and mongol people came and started living on that territory they even created first idea of russian state. East slavs have long history of connection to iranic, turkic, mongol, siberian civilizations and people, and if any land should belong to central asian and iranic or turkic civilization it's them. Whereas native caucasians have almost nothing in common with either turkic or Iranic people. They have no historical ties with them. They didn't share religion, history, territory or language. Which can't be said about East slavs. Turkic-Iranic-East Slav-mongol civilization sounds way better. Caucasians either have their own group, or they belong to -greko-roman or less likely middle eastern world.

@tasiatasia1435

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen Native Caucasian people are not indo-european, and neither are their languages. Armenia has Orthodox church and christianity which belongs to european civilization/Greko-roman world and not iranic one which is mostly based on Islam. So Indo-Iranian part is completely different, not in connection with caucasus. Turkic culture are completely different as well. Also, European Union is letting georgia be avaliable candidate, and might become member in the future, so you are wrong😂

Man, this is excellent! This is probably (one of) the best videos you've ever made so far! I always wanted to see how hunter humans finally shifted to pastoralist, then farming, and finally civilised lifestyles! (In my opinion, we were examining plants and bovines for hundreds or thousands of years before 8000 BCE and were doing selective breeding for them--which lead to their domestications. Also, life as hunters probably made us use "less" of our brains in technology and thinking so this change probably initiated the continuous rapid advancement of humanity in these last 10,000 years.)

@SxVaNm345

2 жыл бұрын

You are right, the first initial stages of domestication of plants and animals began around 10,000-12,000 BC.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@snigdha8404

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas welcome. Uh... don't mind but to be honest, the "spread of homo sapiens" has some dull colors. I would like if you remake it with brighter ones (like this), btw I'm just saying it (not saying "please").

@snigdha8404

2 жыл бұрын

@@SxVaNm345 hmm, people still use BC? I think BCE should be used...as a neutral term.

@SxVaNm345

2 жыл бұрын

@@snigdha8404 I still sometimes use "BC" just as a shortened way to say "BCE", it doesn't matter to me if someone uses BC (Before Christ) or BCE (Before Common Era), but in order to avoid a pointless atheist-religious argument it's better to use BCE I agree as it's a more neutral term like you just stated before.

Some of these seem a bit vague. Like, is there really such a thing as a unified aboriginal civilization? Or an arctic civilization? It started off great, but as time progressed, some of these "civilizations" turned very "catch-all".

@basedchad6035

2 жыл бұрын

well yeah but u gotta summerize some

@DalmatianGeo

Жыл бұрын

Most civilisations had no flags or names, so many scientists just name them off the terrain or location they are situated.

@captainch6182

Жыл бұрын

@@DalmatianGeo Okay but some of these aren’t really civilizations. Why are the Australian Aboriginals a civilization but the empires and states of West Africa aren’t?

@DalmatianGeo

Жыл бұрын

@@captainch6182 Read what I said again.

@DalmatianGeo

Жыл бұрын

@@captainch6182 He classified Australian aboriginals. While he should’ve named them tribes, its not like he committed a genocide.

This is a well-done video, but I would include Gaul and the Pueblo civilization in North America, as well as the various city-states of southern Nigeria and Benin, which had advanced iron working as well as some of the most technically complex bronze working techniques known anywhere before the 20th century (Igbo-Ukwu, Benin City, Nri, Ile-Ife, Oyo, Abomey/Dahomey, etc.), unless the main determining factor is writing rather than city building, which to me seems surprising. In any case, it's not entirely clear that the whole area of the Andean civilization presented in the video actually had a writing system before 600 CE (the WarI). Even then, what you have in the Andean civilization are the quipu, which have never been deciphered in any of their forms, so it's unclear exactly what is written on them beyond numeric values, or even what the exact meaning of the numeric values is (some believe the numeric values are actually representing stories or reports in some cases, using the numeric patterns as a kind of language, while others think the quipu are mostly just accounting information and similar, with a few place-names and similar "titles" also encoded through numbers, as I understand the current state of the ongoing controversy). At the very least, if the city-building cultures in Gaul, Oasisamerica, southern Nigeria and Benin, are not "civilizations" they certainly are something more than nomads/pastoralists or "farmers." Maybe there should be an additional category called "non-literate, technologically advanced heavily specialized and urbanized city-builders"?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Indeed in this video I have given an extra weight to the appearance of writing system as a key criterion of cultural identity.

@antoniopannuti2088

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Civilization is a word that needs specifiers.

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Again, you keep saying you used writing as the criterion yet you included the Inca. Then just lumped "Sub-Saharan Africa" into one category despite there being several literate civilizations in West Africa and East Africa. It's very inconsistent.

@ToxicallyMasculinelol

10 ай бұрын

Gaul is part of the Celtic civilization.

It's amazing how the Kuk Swamp was used for farming 8000 years ago but now the densely, forested primitive region is Hunter-Gatherer like

Congratulations from Turkey Costas. Such a great job.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@dragooll2023

2 жыл бұрын

Poseidon, from Turkey?

Önce dünyanın birkaç noktasında medeniyetler oluşmaya başladı. Zamanla haritada farklı renklerle gösterilen pek çok medeniyete oluştu. Bunlar farklı renklerle gösteriliyor, ancak aslında bunlar birbirlerinden tamamen bağımsız olan, bağımsız şekilde gelişen medeniyetler değil. Birbirlerinden etkilenerek, birbirlerinden birşeyler alarak oluşan medeniyetler. İnsanlar arasındaki irtibat arttıkça bir yerde ortaya çıkan ilim ve teknoloji dünyanın başka yerlerine aktarılmış. Bu bakımdan sadece eski Amerika medeniyeti farklı bir durum oluşturuyor. Bugün artık insanlar arasındaki irtibat neredeyse en ileri seviyeye gelmiş durumda. Bu yüzden farklılıklar giderek azalıyor. İnsanlığın geçmişten aktarılan bütün mirası bir araya toplanıyor. Dünya hızla tek bir renkle gösterilebilecek tek bir medeniyet olmaya doğru gidiyor.

@turkiyett0928

Жыл бұрын

Dünya yok olmaya gidiyor. Ondan medeniyet yok olmalı. Erkenden yok olacağız böyle giderse.

Excellent job! This is the kind of a thing that you can watch for hours!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hey, Costas Melas! You're video is awesome but I want to point out some mistakes: -The Germanic and Celtic Civilizations appeared much earlier; - You forgot the Daco-Thracian, Illyrian, Steppic (Scythian, Hunnic, Cimmerian etc) Civilizations. They were quite advanced and not some simple hu ter gatherers or farmers with no civilization;

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Steppe peoples before the rise of the Khazars, Bulgars and Gokturks belongs generally to the nomadic/pastoralist peoples, in prehistoric stage because of the absence of a writing system. So they don't noted as an independent civilization

@NihilSineRex1881

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas but we can say the dacians, thracians and illyrians belong partially to the greek civilization. You can agree or disagree of you want to.

@NihilSineRex1881

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas the dacians weren't really a steppic people. They were a mountainous civilization.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

@@NihilSineRex1881 Yes, it was in the zone of Greek influence. They also had Greek colonies in their area

@judsonwall8615

2 жыл бұрын

Celts certainly show up much before they do in this map. But I think Costas only made a people/culture into a “civilization” when they reached the point of governance, writing, and a general centrality. That’s why the Mississippians never made it to “civilization” I think, among many others.

Nice concept, would be awesome to see some outline for that particular model of civilizations.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

How exactly do you define Eastern European, Northwestern European, Western Roman, and Greco-Roman civilizations in the twenty-first century?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

They tend to become a common culture, but so far they differ in terms of religious traditions (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant), different heritage (German, Romano-Celtic, Greek), different state organization, different stage of industrial integration, scientific revolution etc.

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

2 blocs and 10 geo-cultural regions: West european germano-latin bloc: Scandinavia, Britain, Gemany, France, Iberia, Italy, East european greco-slavic bloc: West slavic+Baltic, South slavic+Balkan, Greece, Greater Russia,

@elbentos7803

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen ... Or you could propose three main areas : Germanic/protestants Latin/catholic Slavic-greek/orthodox With, obviously A HUGE LOT of exceptions, details to be explained such as : Romania : latin/orthodox Poland, Slovakia : slavic/catholic etc.

@mimorisenpai8540

Жыл бұрын

​@@Emilechenwest slavic and baltic have germans influence

@lalodaniels1388

22 күн бұрын

@@CostasMelas I think it makes sense, because of race and religion.

Great video and probably reason I subscribed. Civilizations can come and go in an instant within the long stretch of time! ;-)

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Well done humans, we really came long way . Long live humanity 🙏

3:19 the music adds a new instrument as north america magically goes from hunter gatherers to farmers lol

I commented before the re-upload about discrepencies for the Subsaharan Africa region, as well as whole swathes of civilizations not accounted for. Hope it gets added soon, because as of now there are pastoralists in places where farmers were already well established for many millennia; as well as no centers of civilization when there absolutely were, other than "Egyptian, Nubian, Ethiopian, and North African" alone, such as Tichitt-Tagant, Nok-Sokoto-Katsina, Gajiganna-Sao, etc.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

You're right but they remained to the prehistoric stage due to the absence of the writing system, so they weren't included as distinct civilizations quite early

@TitanTribble

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Fair enough. If written language is mandatory to be considered an center of civilization, then I suppose so. Although I do not agree, and would argue that a truly independently developed civilization only requires clear evidence of agriculture, division of labor, urbanization, hierarchy, industry, trade, artistic expression, etc; I can still respect the decision to include writing systems. If not for the sake of simplicity alone, because I'm sure that would quite a few world regions not only in Subsaharan African. But who am I to challenge the status quo concerning early centers of civilization and who may or may not apply? Even in the case that a broad "Subsaharan civilizations" is used, then wouldn't the same requirement for written language imply there were none until contact with Islamic or European civilizations; or natively developed scripts such as Ajami, Raampa, Vai, Kunbaw, Maradi, Nsibidi, Somali, etc? Then all of the Subsaharan African civilizations that experienced Islamization by the 8th century onwards, or Christianization by the 15th century onwards, would apply, right? I don't know. Either way, I appreciate your hard work very much. All in all, as a big African history enthusiast, it would be really cool if the same detail and depth was given with respect to the continent. At the very least, represent the advent of farming in West Africa by the late 3rd to early 1st millenium BCE. Likewise for farming in both Central Africa and Subequitorial Africa with Bantu speaking migrations by the early 1st millenium BCE to mid 1st millenium CE. After that, pastoralists only persisted in the Subsaharan African regions of the Sahel, Sudan, Horn, Great Lakes, Rift Valley, Southeast Africa; and between Nambia-South Africa-Botswana, where Khoikhoi pastoralists still cohabitate with San hunter-gatherers. You're amazing and I've seen no work like yours, but Africa needs some work in my opinion. Much love bro. Keep it up

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Then why were the Inca included? They were illiterate too. And West African civilizations were literate but they were not included? Mali, Ghana, Songhai, the Hausa Kingdoms, Kanem-Bornu? All MASSIVE civilizations and all literate. I'm sorry but it just seems like lazy research.

Good job! A question: would the Byzantine Empire be Christian Orthodox civilization or a continuation of the Greek civilization?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. They are the continuation of the Greco-Roman civilization

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

both of them, Byzantine Empire, as long as Russian Empire later, are the successors and representives of Greek-Roman civilization in Eastern European blocks,

@AbouTaim-Lille

2 жыл бұрын

The Byzantine empire was a continuation of the Greek civilization. The most common language was a language derived from Greek and most of them were Orthodox Christian. Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was the biggest Orthodox Church . Constantinople was once occupied by one of the Crusaders campaigns but the Byzantine managed to reclaim back from the Latin.

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@AbouTaim-Lille i agree, the most legitime sucessor of Greek civilization and cultural heritages is also Byzantine Empire,

@elbentos7803

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen I agree - obviously - with modern greeks being the direct successors of Byzantine civilisation (both greco-roman and eastern christianity). I have, on the other hand, a very hard time considering Russia (even medieval Rus') as anywhere related to greco-roman civilisation, except for a common global church.

Great job

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Reuploaded due to a mistake

@Unknown32497

2 жыл бұрын

It's OK :)

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Taiwan in the final frame

@BioluminescentTree

2 жыл бұрын

The video is great and super interesting. You must've poured so much work into it! Congrats! But... Why are there still no sources to be found, not even in the description? Have you come up with the definitions of the civilisations and everything else yourself?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

@@BioluminescentTree Thank you. I will organise my sources and I'll attach them in the description part. It is quite work because the bibliography includes all the material of the other videos about the languages, religions, alphabets

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think you should reupload to to several mistakes, specifically your portrayal of Sub-Saharan Africa.

Papua going straight to farming. Ain't got time for no pastoralism.

There was no farming in Indian Gangetic Plains untill 1900 BC to 1700 BC. It was dense forest and the Aryan immigrants cleared the forests for farming.

This is one top videos on KZread. You will have more subscriptor

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

What software do you use for these? I wanna try making maps like these for my videos

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Mainly paintnet and blender

I don't think Poland or Czechia are closer to Russian civilisation than to western.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

There is the Slavic substrate. The cradle of the East European civilization is Moravia, in modern Czech Republic (first Slavs to convert to Christianity and use the Glagolitic Alphabet)

@DionysiosPhryx

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas I object, I don't think that Poland and Czechia and of course, Slovakia are closer to Russia than to the West either. Quite the opposite actually, many dislike Russia, especially nowadays. The West Slavs are in every way Western. Nothing like Russia! Ukrainians and Belarusians are mediators between West Slavs and Russians. Russians are more Eurasian, big buddies with Asians, such as Kazakhs and other Turkic peoples, Mongolians, Chinese etc.. They don't really have any friends in Europe other than Belarusians and Serbs.

@kosa9662

2 жыл бұрын

@@DionysiosPhryx Western Slavs arent belong to so-called West nor to Eastern Europe culture, especially you can see this in modern political disputes in EU( immigration, traditionalits etc.). We rather see us as something new, whose want to take best parts from West and East, aka Central Europe :)

@DionysiosPhryx

2 жыл бұрын

@@kosa9662 Still closer to the West than to the East.

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

both Poland and Czechia are in East European bloc, being in East Euroepan bloc doesnt meant that you should be close to Russia, Russia and Orthodoxy are just elements of Eastern bloc, they are not the only representative, Greece also in Eastern bloc too,

Blending always creates something new.

Εξαιρετική δουλειά όπως πάντα! Αν βλέπω καλά, η Γαλλία έχει λίγο βορειοδυτικοευρωπαϊκό χρώμα, ενώ οι πρώην γαλλικές (και άλλες) αποικίες στην Αφρική έχουν λίγο δυτικορωμαϊκό χρώμα λόγω Γαλλίας; Πώς ορίζονται όλα αυτά; Θεωρείς ότι η Ελλάδα και Κύπρος διατηρούν τον ελληρωμαϊκό πολιτισμό και δεν χρειάζονται ρίγες άλλου χρώματος; Ωραία ιδέα (όπως έλεγε και ο Γκάντι όταν τον ρωτούσαν περί πολιτισμών), αλλά με βάση ποιους ορισμούς;

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστώ πολύ. Η Ελλάδα και η Κύπρος έχουν εντελώς διακριτή πολιτιστική ταυτότητα (θρησκεία, γραφή, γλώσσα, πολιτιστικό υπόβαθρο). Απέφυγα να βάλω προς το τέλος τη δυτική επιρροή, γιατί αυτή στην ουσία, αφορά σχεδόν όλο τον σύγχρονο κόσμο και θα έκανε δυσνόητο τον χάρτη.

@panagiotiskarras610

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas αν αυτά είναι τα ειδοποιά γνωρίσματα, τότε πώς προκύπτει ενιαίο ανατολικοευρωπαϊκό χρώμα στον χάρτη, που περιέχει π.χ. Ουγγαρία και Μαυροβούνιο, που διαφέρουν ως προς όλα αυτά, και δεν ανήκαν ποτέ στον ίδιο σχηματισμό; (το πρώτο κοινό που έχουν είναι το ΝΑΤΟ)

MESOPOTAMIAN ASSYRIAN IS HERE 🔴⚪🔵🌟🔴⚪🔵

That's pretty neat but some glaring errors. Hallstadt(early Celts) pre-dates Rome, NA farming was much widespread, West Coast NA had settlements with farming and fishing permanent towns long before Rome.

Great job! Keep up the good work!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

Would be amazing see it with animation of sea level rise together ❤

Impressive.

Excellent work.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

This is really cool. Great work as always.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I don't get why West Africa and most of the rest of Africa, Oasisamerica, the Andeas and the Amazon are not put in as agricultural ever on the Map. Hell, what exactly does Nomadic/Pastorialist mean in this map?. I also don't exactly get why Nubia isn't it's own civilization and the Sahel area is never put as it's own civilization, even tho with Mali and Songhai it would definitely be put into the Euro developed model for civilization.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Nubian script, Coptic Christianity, Nubian art, some elements that compose a different culture and classify it in the historical era

Amazing, but why is there no BC/AD indicator

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The time period is apparent from the counter up or down (counter down->BC /counter up->AD)

@kioselnelio4598

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas i know, but when you pause/screenshot the video, i want to be 100% sure whether it's 100 BC or 100 AD.

Nice

great job😍 could you do the history of ancient bisaltia please??? if you can ofc🥰

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

1:42 Timing of China appearing on the map with the music is hilarious

We've been around for such a short time.

Can you do a video about papuan languages? I've been trying to find endlessly when and how they came to be where they are compared to austronesian languages, and to know if they have a connection to australian aboriginal languages, but there is mostly no info. Thanks!!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to make it. But they will be very difficult because New Guinea has over 600 languages

@EduNauta95

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas yes, true. You could make a simplified family language video with the spread through indonesia and oceania

Good, video is a little blurry though..

Can you make spread of english? But add the L2 for around the world. 1 bilion peoples speaking that language.

Farming did not reach to north-eastern Europe with the Slavic languages, or with northern crusades, it was there before.

amazing stuff super underated this must have taken a lot of effort well done!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

What a feat of a video to make! This is a good one

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

The Carthaginian or Punic language was a language resulting from a mixture of the Berber languages spoken by the inhabitants of the Tunisian coasts and the Phoenician language spoken in the city of Tyre. As for the demography of the population of Carthage, it was in high proportion of Berbers, as it is today . The Darja that is spoken today by the majority of North Africans took the same form, a mixture between the Berber language of the Amazigh Natives and the Arabic dialects and especially the Koranic Arabic language.

La langue carthaginoise ou punique était une langue issu d'un mélange des langues berbères parlées par les habitants des côtes tunisiennes et la langue phénicienne parlée dans la ville de Tyr . Quant à la démographie de la population de Carthage, elle était en forte proportion de Berbères, comme c'est le cas aujourd'hui Le Darja qu'est parlé aujourd'hui par la majorité des Maghrébins a pris la la même forme, un mélange entre la langue berbère des Autochtones Amazigh et les dialectes arabes et surtout de la langue arabe coranique .

This is amazing man

I just want to learn more about civilisations especially how they rise ,replace and decline...could you please suggest some books or readings on the subject....i personally feel current civilizations are unsustainable and its matter of time for further resets...so want to learn more...

@CostasMelas

4 ай бұрын

I have made a related ebook on Amazon .com: Civilizations of the World: The Major Cultural Spheres A famous book is: Clash of Civilizations - Samuel P. Huntington

This is a amazing video but I read somewhere that there where already kings before phonecian also a prince of a berber tribe proposed to the queen of Carthage thos berber stripes traded with egypt in 14th century bc

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@naimakhider736

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas yes should make history of the arab region also fun fact many greek gods where influenced by berbers

Wow, it's as if the Spanish didn't give a giant cultural injection to the Philippines! Other than that, interesting

Great job.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I doubt if there can be a single ‘Eastern European Civilization’-definitely Balkan nations and Rus lands belongs here, but Poland, Hungary, Czechia? Czechia should be included in ‘North West European’, while Poland and Hungary might well be designated as individual separate civilizations.

@user-wc1pf1ne8v

2 жыл бұрын

BTW, I would also separate Balkan civilization and Rus civilization, for precision.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Except Hungary, there is a common Slavic or Baltic substratum under the influence of different Christian branches

@user-wc1pf1ne8v

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Agree that those nations have a common Slavic substratum. Though, considering that your designation of Eastern European Civilization started in First Bulgarian Empire, I just doubt if Poland, Hungary and Czechia received enough civilization influence from the Old Bulgaria(I do know that Great Moravia received Orthodoxy and Glagolitic script and Church Slavonic was retained there for a long time, so I might justify inclusion of Czechia, Slovakia, and Hungary. But I am still unsure of Poland…). Anyway, I appreciate your classification. Thanks!

Deeply arguable

@wonderworld7721

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, U r correct...👍 it is actually pushing same theory again n again for last 70/75 years... today, there is no new research evidence, but pushing same old theory nd trying to solidify it... today, it's all about (pre)Theory, KZread and Money, that's it, no more true research information we have... impo, it's a cyber war against each other, propaganda, spreading wrong information nd more... truly sad time !! 😞😞😞

Better than the Crush of Civilizations

@CostasMelas

11 ай бұрын

Thank you

Why Philippines don't have red lines?. Also where is Antarctica.? Generally Subsaharian Africa actually don't inherited anything cultural legacy's from Europe, except perhaps Equatorial Guinea, Mozambique and Angola due to a long European colonization over there. Australia, Canadá and Russia and some others else don't have enough habitable land, so shouldn be colored only just some strips where population actually lives over there and the rest of those counties fulfilled with lines .

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

I have put them on but they do not look over pink

Wait wait wait can somebody explain perso_arabic civilization for me?????? And what about turkey i just can see similar things in language and religion between turkey and central asia. This video is not good

What's that civilization in Northern Central Russia at about 787, Iranian or Central Asian civilization and why?

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

i think that, it would be make 6 civilization blocks in Eurasia: Western Europe - germanic, celtic, latin, Eastern Europe - greek, slavic, Middle east - semitic, hamitic, Central asia - turkic, iranic, South asia, Eastern asia, Hitties, Scythia, Persians could be put into the category of Central asian block,

@Alvaro_Litti

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen I think Hittites would be in Anatolia(Indo-European), but I just wondered how there could be green stripes so much north in Central Russia. I never thought Scythian culture went so far north. I know Finno-Ugric cultures have been influenced by Scythians for many years of being neighboors and through trade, but?!

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alvaro_Litti my humble opinion is, Hittie is like Turkey, Kurdistan, Armenia, today, normally, we dont put Hitties into the European Greek-Roman bloc, Hittie is neither a middle-eastern Semitic-hamitic people like Egypt, Babylonia, Jews or Arabians, just like today Turkey is neither a member of Arab world, so a Great Central Asian bloc could fit better, under this label, we can put Hittie, Media, Persia, Scythia, Sogdinia, and later other Turkic empires like Khazar, Seldjik, Ottoman, Safavid all inside,

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alvaro_Litti and i think its is not neceaary to make a Finno-ugric group, since their members are so isolated, far away from each other, and have enough weight,

@Alvaro_Litti

2 жыл бұрын

@@EmilechenYes, I didn't mean to put Finno-Ugrics in the same group as Scythians, just saying that they had minor influences from them fx. words like sata, varsa, paksu, hüvä, lehmä?, osa? etc. 😊

In 6:39 , I think you should include Sungai Batu civilization in Southeast Asia part, because the Malays already have their own culture and civilization at that time. Btw, thanks for an informative and interesting video 👍🏻

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@fayhay8011

Жыл бұрын

I heard it exist at 788 BC

@agronomist98

Жыл бұрын

@@fayhay8011 thanks to correct me 😁👍🏻 have a nice day

@agronomist98

Жыл бұрын

@Yassir Hajine I can't deny it, in Malaysia itself also have the Sultanate era such as Melaka Sultanate, Kedah Sultanate, Johor-Riau Sultanate and etc, these era have given big impact to our modern era

@Sinhala_buddhist-3934

Жыл бұрын

No. Malays were not civilized at all during that time. It was only after Indian traders introduce Hindu-Buddhist culture, the started their first civilization which only begins from CE.

can you do somfing like this bot wit olt the citys

Awesome job! But there is a tiny mistake, as part of Armenia is shown as Central Asian (Turkic).Musn't Syriac and Coptic be shown as existing remnants of Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations? And it'll be great as you make similar map about how different ethnic /linguistic/cultural groups have originated and developed.Thank you!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Armenians were limited to the current state after 1919. In the past, Caucasian culture covered the entire territory of the Armenian highlands. It appears on the map. Indeed, the Syrians, the Copts and the Nestorian Assyrians may be considered the closest successors to the most ancient civilizations, but they now include elements of other cultures such as the Greco-Roman. Coptic alphabet is more close to the Greek and the Antiochian Church is close to the Greek Orthodox

@narekmargaryan4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Thank you for responce. Can you answer, please, is it possible to make similar map about ethnogenesis of various peoples/cultures?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

@@narekmargaryan4429 Probably but not soon

@mimorisenpai8540

Жыл бұрын

Syriac and coptic is offshoot of Greece Roman culture with respective region native influence

Awesome job! Lots is obviously vague but I know it was intentional, as the only way to make such a video is to generalize and group together “civilizations.” But this is a great balance of not too simple and easy to understand.

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Why not include the Celts around 2000 BC? They stretched all the way from Ireland to Turkey

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Their writing system (ogham) arised after 4th century

top

Awesome Bro! 👍🏻

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Jel moze karta USA od nastanka,tokom gradjanskog rata pa do sada...???

We are not only central asian and perso civilization also we have to much culturel ties with greeks. I think turkey should be grece roman + perso arabic + central asian. My opinion

What programs do you use for your videos?

Rip Hunter gatherers

Based video, thanks for uploading.

@CostasMelas

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome :)

To be honest considering the byzantine world and tradition as greco-roman as it was during the classical period is misleading. It would have been better if it was greco-orthodox.

@narekmargaryan4429

2 жыл бұрын

Greeks called themselves romans during medieval period, so the term " greco-roman" is correct thereafter. During classical period it was diveded into latin and hellenistic civilizations, which were united due to Roman empire and Christianity.

Thia channel must be kept running. These maps could be in history books, for all we know

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@khunphraeokha

2 жыл бұрын

สวัสดีค่ะ

How exacktly do you define as north African.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Carthagenian and Libyco-Berber cultures and their successors

@ananaskopf7184

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Ah thank you but the ancient north african influence is still exist over all the Maghreb.

What is the civilization of Greece in 2022. It is painted in light purple, but I don't think it's caucasian or northwestern european...

Βλέπω ότι είναι όλα φτιαγμένα με ιδιαίτερη προσοχή και λεπτομέρεια, για παράδειγμα οι αλλαγές στην Κεντρική Ασία. Νομίζω ο χάρτης έχει ανάλυση λιγότερη από την προσοχή που του έχεις δώσει! Όμως δεν είναι σαφές τι γίνεται στην Ανατολική Ευρώπη από τα χρώματα. Κάποια μοιάζουν. Θα μπορούσες ίσως να περιγράψεις τι δείχνει ο χάρτης στην Ανατολική Ευρώπη από το 850 ως το 1250;

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Εμφάνιση του Ανατολικοευρωπαϊκού πολιτισμού (εκχριστιανισμένος σλαβικός κόσμος) με συνέχιση Βυζαντινών επιρροών στο ανατολικό τμήμα και Ρωμαιοκαθολικών στο δυτικό.

@panagiotiskarras610

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas και το πρασινωπό χρώμα πριν από αυτά ποιο είναι; Κεντρασιατικό λόγω Αβάρων, Πρωτο-βουλγάρων, και άλλων;

the most great great power: Hunters & Gatherers

The video is interesting. Still it just depicts the weak side of civilisation theory. The criteria for each separate civilisation is too uncertain. Sometimes it is religion, sometimes an alphabet, or language, or some political unity, or ethnic group.

What does a "pastoralist/nomad" mean, for example, in the pre-Columbian North American context?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

The exclusively livestock occupation. In North America it is a very borderline case that concerns almost exclusively the domestication of turkeys

You forgot Sabaean civilization in 1200 BC actually the first arab civilization way more older

where did you find these infos about the civilization ?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

It is a synthesis of material used in other videos about languages, religions, writing systems. The list of sources is very long. I will organize it later and i attach it in the description section

Question:- How are Latvia and Estonia Western Roman?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I should have removed it, at the end, mainly after 16th century

@YogoYoshi2936

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas then what would have they been if they weren't western roman?

@lolikususs

Жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas as Latvian i would say we are balitc people living in Europe

Iran's culture is very different from Arab countries and its civilization is separate from Arabs

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the Shia-Sunni schism echoes this, but they hold too many elements in common.

I don’t know how you got pastoralists, A, spreading significantly faster than farmers from the Fertile Crescent, and B, spreading well into temperate Europe before 7000 BCE. Your about 2,000 years off on that from what I know of current archaeology.

Τώρα που το κοιτάζω καλύτερα, βλέπω ότι στην Ουγγαρία υπάρχει και άλλο χρώμα, άρα όντως το διαφοροποιείς. Αλλά με ποια έννοια ο Latin γίνεται Greco-Roman, και μετά Western Roman, ενώ στην Ελλάδα το όνομα δεν αλλάζει από το έτος 200 μέχρι σήμερα; Έχει η Ελλάδα σήμερα χαρακτηριστικά της εποχής του Διοκλητιανού που ας πούμε η Ιταλία δεν έχει;

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Ο ελληνορωμαϊκός κόσμος του 4ου αιώνα επιβιώνει ως Βυζαντινός και συνεχίζει ως σήμερα με ίδια θρησκεία, γλώσσα, γραφή και με απουσία παράλληλα νέων πολιτιστικών εισαγωγών ή συνθέσεων. Στη δύση υπήρξε σύνθεση γερμανικού-ρωμαϊκού κόσμου. Στον βορρά που το γερμανικό στοιχείο ήταν εντονότερο ως υπόστρωμα, το πολιτιστικό χάσμα με τον νότο, αποτυπώθηκε στην θρησκευτική μεταρρύθμιση του16ου αιώνα.

@panagiotiskarras610

2 жыл бұрын

​@@CostasMelas αυτό σημαίνει, σε πρακτικούς όρους, ότι οι π.χ. η Πορτογαλία έχει γερμανικό στοιχείο, περισσότερο απ' ό,τι η Ελλάδα έχει οθωμανικές εισαγωγές. Είναι έτσι;

Ancient Arabian Civilizations 1) The North Arabian civilization (Qedarites and Nabataeans and Thamud, etc ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) South Arabian civilization ( Sabaeans and other civilizations of Arabia

@alannala4501

Жыл бұрын

The Arab historian (Khazal Al-Majidi) says that the Arabs have no civilization, see: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f3iJxsGxnbiyfKg.html

Hindu civilization should have been divided into North and South though.

@blueworld9706

2 жыл бұрын

Why are you mad

@gazibizi9504

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueworld9706 didn't know I was.

@user-eren825

Жыл бұрын

@@blueworld9706 there is nothing called south or North Yes there was but 3000yrs ago Now every indians are mixed for example Punjabis and tamil people don't have any different race, but look different because of geographic conditions

The oldest civilization and the Center of the World was Mesopotamia and will be again...

Do the Central Asians include other peoples besides Turkic peoples?

@snigdha8404

2 жыл бұрын

No. That’s what I was confused for... He covered half of Turkey (other color is Perso Arabic) with it despite it not being in Central Asia. I think he should have labeled it Turkic also because Siberia has Turkic (Yakut) speakers as well (that's why the same color covers half of Siberia initially, then one third of it). That said, in his Turkic languages history video, he showed himself that these originated in Mongolia, often excluded from Central Asia. So....!

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

it is better to put Turkey, Iran, other central asian and Caucasian countries into the same category of Central Asian Turko-Iranic bloc!

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@snigdha8404 i think it make no sense to put Yakut and Turkey into the same cateogry only becasue they speak Turkic language, but this kind of Turanist theory, Finland and Japan could also be inculded into the same category, it completely ignores the geographical limilits, many Turkic people in Anatolia, Caucasuss, Central Asia have heavily mxied with local Indo-european populatio, especially Iranic people, so it would be better to have a label of Central Asia - turko-iranic civilization block, able to include countries such as Seldjuik, Ottoman, Safavid...

3:52 the Basque people

Mena countries: civilization is mine

Great job . Costas Melas differnce.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hindu civilization should have been further divided. Even Sri Lanka is not a Hindu country. And, there are such cultural differences from state to state in India. However, this is a wonderful work!!!

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@indiafirst3676

2 жыл бұрын

Yes you are right instead of Hindu it should have been Indian/Dharmic or atleast Brahmi

This is kind of bs because the land masses/geology/geography/topography/etc. Probably changed a lot in time frame shown...

Looks like you dropped a parasite it spreads and then evolves too

were are the Hittites and Hurrians?

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

It was under the influence of Mesopotamian culture (art, script, religious traditions are similar to each other)

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

They had different important religious traditions (Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc)

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@Spolierman Hitties, Hurrians, Medians, Persians, these indo-europeans were first under Mesopotamia civilization influence, but after all, they are not Semitic people, finally, neither Anatolia, Cacassus nor Iran can't become part of Arab world, these region, mixed with the new comers like Turkic peoles, create their own civilization group: the turo-persian world,

@nothingexists5066

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen Mesopotamians went extinct Modern day people were arab All Europeans are indo Europeans founded somewhere in today's Ukraine Only Europe, India and China still surviving

Turkey should be greco-roman, perso-arabic and central asian or only greco-roman and perso-arabic. greco-roman/east meditteranean culture have more influence in turkey than nomad steppe culture

@renatocampos3114

Жыл бұрын

I think that as it show a mixture of Central Asia and Persian Arabic culture more appropriate especially after they expelled the Greeks and the Armenian genocide, Turkey have very little in common with the Greek-Roman Does not compatit the same- Linguistic group with Greek-Roman civilization Do not use the same alphabet Do not have the same religion It's are historical enemies of the Greeks with the civilization of Central Asia Compatize the same linguistic group have the same religion Compatize the same fascination with the Latin alphabet

I want you get 10M subscribes

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

I wish 😀😀

I'm sorry but it's just inexcusable have Sub-Saharan Africa has NO farming and NO civilzations aside from Arab and European influence. It looks like you did literally zero research into Africa. Just perpetuating the antiquated "blacks built no civilization" trope with this video. The vast majority of Africa had farming and every sub-region had civilizations in some shape or form. The Kingdom of Zimbabwe for example. How can you have a kingdom with permanent capital built in stone but no farming.

@CostasMelas

Жыл бұрын

I have connected the era of civilization with the development of the writing systems

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

@Costas Melas Ok that still makes no sense. If the advent of writing is your requirement, then why did you fail to show Mali, Songhai, the Hausa Kingdoms or Kanem-Bornu? Also why did you also include the Inca Empire? They never developed writing? Also why is there no farming in Sub-Saharan Africa whatsoever? I would have much more respect for you if you just admit that you didn't do any research into Africa. It's very obvious that you didn't. You assumed there was nothing there. It's especially evident when you just included the "Sub-Saharan" marker for the civilization there. And to insinuate that there was no farming at all in Sub-Saharan Africa at any point is simply baffling unless you just simply admit that you didn't do any research.

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

No comment?

@FromNothing

Жыл бұрын

Why is it so hard to just admit that you're wrong dude?

@scarymonster5541

5 ай бұрын

​@@FromNothinghe said writing because sub-saharan africa has no writing till they were influnce by the arabs and europeans

Superb video as always. Well done @Costas Melas I would just have added a blue hebrew dot in France as there is still there the largest jewish community in Europe.

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I selectively put some areas because in fact the diaspora covers almost the entire map

@Rickyrab

Жыл бұрын

Shalom 💗

Hey Costas, shouldn’t there be an additional red line (Western European) in Turkey since their founding principles are highly based on the West? (Whole Turkish Law system is almost same with Roman Law system)

@CostasMelas

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it but it belongs generally to a westernization wave of the central asian peoples (part of it is the transition to latin alphabet etc.)

@AD-yq8rl

2 жыл бұрын

@@CostasMelas Yeah actually it’s the reason why I asked because you had added blue line (East Europe) to CA because of the Russian affect so I thought it should have gone same for Turkey since their whole modernization process is based upon West Europe (France and Italy basically)

@Emilechen

2 жыл бұрын

@@AD-yq8rl Japan also copied Western Europe so much, but it donest make Japan a Western country in term of culture and geography, the leaders and core ares of Western Europe are germano-latin's France amd Germany, for them, Turkey is juts an outsider or wannabe, they dont even accept Russia, a eastern euroepan slavic people, so why Turkey, a country like Turkey could be the co-leaders of its own bloc, the Eurasian/Central Asian Turko-Iranic bloc, so why insist to be a copycat of Europea whrn Turkey could be the king in another bloc?

@kirilll7806

Жыл бұрын

No turk, you are not european.

@AD-yq8rl

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilll7806 No one asked your opinion. Also Turks are as European as they are Asian.

Greco-Roman So sad its current state

@GeoBBB123

2 жыл бұрын

It will bloom again ... :)