Thanks to @Keith Francis, it looks like there is at least one solution: Keith uses the J-Tech Digital Splitter JTECH-18GSP12M. It requires power but can be powered via USB battery bank. It looks to be a fairly high quality splitter so it isn't the cheapest solution, but it is a way to trigger and send timecode to a Ninja V and MixPre-6 at the same time from a Sony A7III. J-Tech-18GSP12M at Amazon: amzn.to/2Yw1XaO

@boinkinsen

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd Audio I wonder if this will work the same for Canon EOS R with Atomos Ninja V and PreMix-6

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@boinkinsen This should work for most cameras, as long as it is on the Sound Devices and ATOMOS approved cameras list.

@MVRhodes

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd Audio So, there is no way to do this w/o the splitter, huh? Even just trigger, no timecode?

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

5 жыл бұрын

@@MVRhodes Not that anyone has confirmed yet, I'm afraid.

@MVRhodes

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd Audio Splitter is in the mail. Thanks, Curtis. Your videos are a great resource - much appreciated, man.

Thank you again Curtis! Don't have either of these, just watch anyhow because your vids are always informative and I never know what equipment I may end up with, so I'm always learning from you!

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe.

I had the issue with my Sony A7 III with the Atomos Ninja V and my Mix-Pre6. I purchased the J-Tech Digital Splitter JTECH-18GSP12M and it solved the issues and no issues with 4k video. So now timecode works to trigger both the MixPre and the Atomos to record with the signal from camera. Works great and I power the J-Tech with a Anker USB Powerbank to keep it remote so no AC outlets required. I did try another cheaper splitter and it introduced noise into the recorded video so i'd stick to the J-Tech.

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent, thank you Keith! Looks like we have a solution here, people!

@thisislightproductions5710

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Keith Thank you so much for this tip. Which cheaper splitter did you test and did the cheaper splitter pass through Timecode and REC flag? I am using an external monitor (Atomos Shinobi), so since I'm not recording the HDMI signal I don't mind a bit of noise (unless it's very visible and disturbing to view).

Yes! I ran into this same problem several months ago with a Ninja Inferno and MixPre-3. I emailed Atomos in June of 2018 and got this response: "The timecode and trigger are output, but for some reason, audio filed recorders like the Mixpre3/6 do not detect the signal. The work around is to use an HDMI splitter, and send one branch to the Inferno, and the other branch to the Mixpre3." The plot thickens because my Blackmagic Design Video Assist passes the timecode just fine. I was hoping some firmware updates would fix it, but no luck. Thanks so much for making this video! I was this close to making one myself.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Interestingly, we got some other interesting responses below from others: one saying that it depends on the resolution/bit depth you are recording and another saying that his old Ninja 2 passed through the signal just fine (it is an older HD recorder).

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

5 жыл бұрын

👍Thanks for the details on your interaction with ATOMOS!

Hello Curtis just out of curiosity did you try a different HDMI lead like the newer 4K that can send Ultra High-Speed 18Gbps HDMI 2.0b Cord 4K@60Hz Support Fire TV, Ethernet, Audio Return, Video UHD 2160p, HD 1080p, 3D more information?

@curtisjudd

4 жыл бұрын

No, haven't tried. Will give it a go when I get one of the newer cables and have a few minutes.

Dear Curtis. I'm going to record video from my fujifilm X-T3 externally onto an atomos ninja v, and record the audio separately onto a mix-pre 6. I've been considering using ultrasync ones to add timecode and genlock/word clock to my recording, but today I read that mirrorless cameras can't receive genlock. Would sending timecode from my camera using an HDMI splitter to the atomos and mix-pre 6 provide exactly the same results as using timecode form two ultrasync one devices? Or is there still a benefit (such as less drift) in using a timecode generator like the ultrasync ones, in this scenario? Thanks very much!

@curtisjudd

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Nick, I don't know what effect an HDMI splitter will have in terms of timecode. I don't use HDMI timecode so I don't have much experience there. I would use two Ultrasync Ones: One for the camera's audio input and the other connected to the MixPre's 3.5mm input. The HDMI solution is rather dodgy from the standpoint that the micro HDMI connectors pull out even more easily than 3.5mm plugs.

@nickpavlou5023

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Curtis. I appreciate your very kind and helpful advice. I'll do just that. God bless you.

Wow. Finally I've got a solution! Thanks to @Keith Francis @Curtis Judd. For several years, I've tried to recording 3 gears (Sony mirrorless, Mixpre, Atomos Shogun) simultaneously. I've tried hdmi splitter, sdi splitter, hdmi->sdi converters...etc... I think that Shogun(also same as SUMO, Ninja V) cannot pass signal correctly. I ordered the product listed above. I'll let you know after testing. Thanks a lot again! It's always been very helpful. Thank you. (From South Korea)

@TEAM-yr5wb

5 жыл бұрын

Hi. Cutis. Separately, I tested it with other equipment. I tested Lilliput a5 (5 inch preview monitor). a5 has hdmi in / out port. So, a7m3 -> lilliput a5 -> mixpre3 : It works. But only Shogun doesn't. This is definitely Shogun's problem.

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the additional info!

I was trying to make an HDMI TimeCode Sync connection between a GH4 and PreMix-6 II but this never worked - neither the TimeCode or the Control. I had all your settings so I am wondering if I have missed something? One end of my HDMI cable had a HDMI standard to HDMI micro converter, so I was thinking this converter may be missing some wires.

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

4 жыл бұрын

I would try another cable. Best of luck!

Hey Curtis. I have a question regarding the HDMI output to the MixPre. When I try to playback a clip on my GH5 that is c9nnected via HDMI to the Mix Pre 6, the screen goes black and it says TV Output in Progress. Do You know any workaround this issue

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Aside from the obvious disconnecting the HDMI cable physically, I don't. Perhaps there's a setting on the GH5 in the HDMI output menu?

This ironically worked for me - i think. I am trying to just for now not use my atomos ninja inferno - but rather just have a sync/timecode relationship with my mixpre -3 ii and the sony FDR ax53. Complete novice here and still just trying to figure out which cables to use and where (does the camera trigger the mixpre or vice versa or can it be both. Which is the master and which would be the slave.?? My camera can not take the type A HDMI, only the mini - so too the mixpre - only HDMI mini.

Curtis, thanks for your video, excellent as always. I have a MixPre 6 Mark i, I have always wondered if I will be able to inject TimeCode through the micro HDMI input with my Tentacle Sync, obviously a special cable would be required. Do you know if it is possible? I'm interested because that way it would free up the 3.5mm input to connect one more wireless. Greetings

@curtisjudd

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not aware of a way to do that. Maybe contact Sound Devices support?

@GAVOBCN

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for answering

Another great show. I did want to know how to get on set playback with my ZoomF8 to Ninja inferno? Recorded separately. I was going to use my Sennheiser AVX wireless transmitter by taking a subout from F8 into line in, then plug in AVX receiver into GH5S Audio pack. Hopefully, it goes through the HDMI cable for playback. What do you think 🤔? Thank you James P.S. I got all my gear from your knowledge.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Hi James, If I understand correctly, it should work though there will be a bit of latency due to the AVX - about 1/2 a frame if shooting at 23.07 fps.

Hi Curtis, I am having a similar problem with TASCAM DR701D... But the issue is that the unit will not recognize time code or trigger at 4K video over HDMI. Have you experienced this issue with your 701D? I have contacted TEAC awaiting response... any Suggestions? Otherwise, aside from frame offset adj... it works fine. Thanx in Advance!

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Slaayde, I borrowed the 701D for the review I did a few years back. I seem to recall that it would only work with an HD signal (I was shooting with a GH4 back then). If you can set the HDMI output of your camera to HD, if that works for what you're trying to do, it might fixe the triggering issue. But if not, I'm afraid I don't have recommendations. TEAC should be able to confirm whether it is possible. Best wishes!

I've passed this along to a friend at Atomos who hopefully can shine some insight onto this. I saw the comment that maybe the second HDMI cable needs to be 2.0 but I doubt that since that cable works fine from the GH5 to the mix pre directly. Will report back if/when I hear anything!

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks PhotoJoseph! We really appreciate it!

@HelgeSchwarz

5 жыл бұрын

My Inferno-to-sounddevices-cable IS in fact HDMI-2.0-(and 4K)-grade (see product link above) but still atomos ninja Inferno out doesnt supply Start/Stop/Timecode to mixPre6.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@HelgeSchwarz Thank you Helge.

Hi, just wandering. What if I use hdmi to 3.5mm jack adapter ? Can I get audio LTC timecode from it? I'm just trying to find way how to sync GH5 with S1H which supports BNC IN. If I get audio timecode from GH5, then I would just use 3.5mm jack to sync flash cable and S1H would read timecode. Thanks for your opinion

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know. I must confess I doubt it will work, but I could be very wrong. 😀

@JanSur

3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd thanks, maybe I will try and let you know :)

Would someone be able to validate whether this issues persists with mixpre ii? Would there be another way to connect to atomos recorder to sync timecode since mixpre 3 ii has a tc generator built in? Thank you in advance!

Hi Curtis, is it possible to Jam TC through HDMI? I'm using GH5 and MixPre-3 together. to sync the timecode, I think I suppose to connect the camera and the recorder through HDMI all the time.

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

No, you have to keep it connected through the entire shoot.

@ifaanuur9649

3 жыл бұрын

okay thanks

@dab7963

3 жыл бұрын

I gave up on my Nikon it was unreliable. I set the time code up on the mix pre. Then I synced the time code from the mix pre with a tenticle sync and plugged the temticle sync into the analog mic inputs on the Atomos Ninja V. I have to click start on the camera and the mix pre but it works and I can sync the video and audio later in post.

Following this and hope you find a solution. As video over HDMI typically has a lot of latency, I assumed time code would also suffer from latency.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

We found a workaround with an HDMI splitter. Details in pinned comment above if you're interested.

Certainly looks like it's the Atomos that is not passing TC through correctly, if at all. Presumably the Atomos SHOULD be buffering/reshaping the TC signal, rather than simply passing through. Does this work with a different HDMI TC source? Do you have one to test?

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

It works directly from GH5 to MixPre. Is that what you mean by a different HDMI TC source?

@timbeaton5045

5 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd Not exactly. It occurred to me that maybe the GH5 TC/HDMI output was maybe a bit marginal, so trying to output to two sources simultaneously was a possible reason. And maybe a different camera, or source of TC might work better. Looks like most TC sources are NOT from HDMI, of course, so may be difficult to test. However, I still would have thought that the Atomos would have reconstituted the TC signal, i.e. some sort of re-clocking, or at least buffering, would be happening. The use of an HDMI splitter to get the TC to both Atomos, and MixPre is basically using the splitter as a sort of distribution amplifier (good old analogue stuff!) and functions in pretty much the same way... i.e. one output used to drive multiple sources, which in the analogue world would mean impedances, cable lengths, capacitance etc would degrade signals and would give unreliable transmittance not unlike this.* However, HDMI (and correct me if i am wrong) is an entirely digital protocol, so there should be no problem in, say the Atomos reshaping the digital waveform, to pass on the signal, but i suspect, still that this is where the problem lies. I am also assuming that all three devices are using the same HDMI protocol version, or at east compatible versions? * Yes, i am aware that digital signals also degrade over cable lengths, but the point of a digital protocol, is that you CAN re-clock, if done properly without the attendant degradation of the S/N ration inherent in the analogue domain.... Just sayin' 😎

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@timbeaton5045 A valid hypothesis worth testing. Alas I do not have another timecode source to test this. But I did schedule some time with the ATOMOS guys at NAB next week where I can hopefully talk with their engineers.

@timbeaton5045

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd keep us in the loop!

I tried a non powered HDMI splitter. But the time code trigger worked only in one direction, not both. I had a similar setup using Panasonic GH5 with mixpre-3 and BMD video assist. I also could not get the time code signal to pass through the video assist to the mixpre-3 with the same test as in the video

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Makha. Do you mind me asking which passive HDMI splitter you used?

@makharacinesy

5 жыл бұрын

This is the Amazon link to the splitter I used: homiki Prise HDMI 1 mâle vers Double HDMI 2 Femelle Y Adaptateur rde câble de répartiteur LCD LED HD TV,Support TV Deux à la même Heure www.amazon.fr/dp/B075653BV6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_vpgNCbSKGN2XG It does not seem to be available on the US Amazon Store

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@makharacinesy Thank you Makha. It appears that one of our fellow community members found a powered HDMI splitter which works (see comments above).

@makharacinesy

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd Thanks Curtis

Great to see this video. Really interested if it will also work with the Panasonic Gh5. As I am based in Europe I will wait a few days before ordering the J-Tech Digital Splitter JTECH-18GSP12M. to see if it also works with the Panasonic. In my case I want to output to an Atomos Shinobi(not a recorder only a monitor) and to the Mini HDMI port of the MixPre 3 for TimeCode.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Me too, but I don't have the budget to buy the splitter at the moment. Perhaps in a few months or maybe somebody else will be able to confirm here sooner.

@thisislightproductions5710

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Cristian. Did you buy the splitter? If yes, how does it look on your rig?

The workaround sort of works, as I was able to sync TC among my GH5, Ninja Inferno and PixPre6 via the JTECH HDMI splitter. However, I had to do some more research (particularly useful was reading a Sound Devices website pdf on”Setting up a Panasonic® DSLR with a MixPre-3 or MixPre-6” and searching the full GH5 instruction manual for “Time Code”). Here are some of the things you have to get right in addition to what you showed in the video: ON THE GH5: - GH5 must be in Creative Video on the mode dial - Rec format cannot be MP4, though it can be MP4 (LPCM) - Rec quality should be 4K/8 bit/60p, even though the Ninja will show it as 4K/10 bit/60p - Menu > Motion Picture > Time Code > count up - FREE RUN ON THE MIXPRE: - System > mode - advanced - Outputs > St Out Gain - minus 36dB - Inputs > Aux in Mode - camera - Inputs > Camera Gain - plus 20dB - Headphone > HP Preset - Camera Stereo - Timecode > TC Mode - HDMI TC In - Record > Rec Trigger - HDMI Flag in ON THE NINJA: - Menu > Timecode > Source - HDMI But, after shutting down all the gear, then turning it back on, I found that I needed to go back in the Ninja menu and turn timecode on again, but at least it works predictably. - HOWEVER! I have been unable to get the MixPre to show timecode again, even after double-checking all of its menu items. Driving me crazy - I’ll follow up here if I can get it again.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the details Bruce!

@brucedarling4751

5 жыл бұрын

Here’s my follow up. I can get the 3 devices (GH5, Ninja Inferno and MixPre 6) to share BOTH timecode and the HDMI record flag in MOV format at up to 4K60 (actually 59.94) 10 bit 4:2:2 through the HDMI splitter. However, in the MP4 (LPCM) format, the GH5 and Ninja share the TC and record flag but the MixPre 6 stays on its own at 4K60, and only shares the TC and HDMI record flag at 4K30 (actually 29.97). Go figure. I bought a second micro HDMI to full HDMI cable to see if it made any difference but the behavior was the same with both cables.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@brucedarling4751 Excellent, thanks Bruce!

According to how I am reading sync LTC from the SUMO 19 Only LTC bnc can be used? Page 36 or 37 of SUMO 19 user manual. I might be missing something. But see nothing about HDMI being in the options. Also is it an HDCP limitation too. I went to HDMI.com and didn't find anything.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent, no, the Sumo can receive TC via HDMI as well if the HDMI source sends HDMI. That part works fine here, the Sumo just doesn't appear to pass through the TC to the HDMI output for the MixPre to use. Or somehow the MixPre doesn't recognize it.

Hi Curtis, i can confirm that i have the same problems with my atomos ninja v. So look forward for a solution!

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

You're one of the inspirations for this video! I hope we find a solution.

According to the instuctions on the Mix pre 10T cannot jam sync via hdmi and only bnc. Did I miss a part where you are syncing this way. Page 50 of the sound devices 10T operators manual.

@RedBearAK

5 жыл бұрын

Edit: See pg 48 of the firmware v3.02 version of the 10T manual. "HDMI TC In" is described separately from the jamming section on pg 50. Two different things. At about 1:55 he shows TC Mode in the Timecode menu on the MixPre is set to HDMI TC In, and the timecode signal is passed just fine to the MixPre using the exact same cable when it is connected directly to the GH5 rather than the Sumo. Watch the video again. I think you’re misinterpreting the manual. Maybe this type of timecode syncing isn’t described as jam syncing. The micro HDMI port on my MixPre-6 is even labeled “Cam TC In”. This is how the MixPres are supposed to be able to receive timecode. Not just aux or BNC ports.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Right, it isn't for jam syncing, it is for constantly feeding TC as long as the two devices are connected via HDMI.

It looks like not all HDMI splitters are created equal. I bought a cheep 1x2 splitter that passed timecode and triggers just fine, but upgrading to a 1x4 did not work. J-Tech is on Sound Devices list of working splitters so I will see if their $25 1x4 works. If not, I'll have to go with the JTECH-18GSP14M for $50, which is the 1x4 version of the splitter you have in your pinned comment. Edit: it made sense to just get the better splitter so that it could handle any 4K external recording that I may do in the future.

@curtisjudd

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It is the Wild West out there in the HDMI splitter world. Thanks for sharing, Mike!

The item that @Keith Francis suggest s not available iright now in Europe. Is there an HDMI converter that could do the same but I can purchase in Amazon Europe?

@curtisjudd

4 жыл бұрын

Not that I have personally tested. But I would look at powered HDMI splitters and purchase from a retailer who will accept returns if it does not work. Best wishes!

Great topic, Curtis! Would it make sense to use the MixPre's timecode engine as the master TC and feed that TC via audio input to GH5 rather than use GH5 as the master TC generator. GH5 would then feed the TC via HDMI to Atomos (it looks like this bit is working in your video). This way all three devices will be in sync. This does not solve the record trigger issue (unless GH5 have some sort of TC input trigger for recording) but it will make a usable system . I have not tested this setup as I don't own the GH5 camera, but in theory it should work.

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mayie, clever thinking! I don't think it will work, however, because the GH5 does not convert audio timecode to its internal timecode.

@Mayie

3 жыл бұрын

That's too bad :(

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mayie Yes, but you just keeping thinking along those lines. This world needs more problem solvers like you!

@Mayie

3 жыл бұрын

​@@curtisjudd so I did a similar test with a MixPre 3 II, an Atomos Shogun and a Fujifilm X-T30 camera. I managed to get all three devices in timecode sync (fuji being the timecode master) and I was also able to trigger the record on both Shogun and MixPre by pressing the Fuji record button. However, this setup is highly unstable - 5 out of 10 times I experienced the same issue you recorded, the other 5 it worked. I am not sure which is the culprit here (the firmware of all three devices are up to date). I tried with both regular HDMI TC + trigger and HDMI Fujifilm TC + trigger and both worked 5 out of 10 runs. The timecode and record trigger work perfectly between Fuji and Shogun. Also, I had no luck triggering the MixPre recording by tapping Shogun's record button which makes me think the HDMI trigger might be passed along by Shogun with no manipulation. However, Shogun is a slow beast and I noticed that feeding it with audio from MixPre runs into a 2 frames delay between video and audio - there is no delay between MixPre and Fuji. I assume Shogun is not designed to work properly with HDMI timecode, it has a GENLOCK IN at the back and I guess the Shogun can be fed with TC from MixPre (MixPre's timecode engine seems more accurate anyway) but I have not studied this in detail, it might worth it - I generally use a physical hand clap to sync my video and audio, old fashion but always working :)

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mayie I agree - that's how I do sync in most cases - a good old clap at the start.

Is the HDMI to micro cable also a 2.0 cable? Maybe the Sumo doesn't like passing the timecode data from a 2.0 input to a 1.4 cable. Or maybe it's the HDMI port/connection on the MixPre being mismatched with the incoming HDMI 2.0 signal. The timecode may be getting "lost in translation" so to speak. Seems a bit nonsensical but that's exactly the sort of glitch that often happens with software. Have you succeeded in getting the Sumo to pass through the timecode signal to any other kind of device? Like another display? Try something that only has an HDMI 1.4 input if possible, as well as anything that has a 2.0 input.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Good question, I thought it was but not certain looking closely at the cable. It says high speed HDMI with ethernet so I suspect it is actually an HDMI 1.4 cable. Now I need to order a new cable. :) Thanks for that!

@RedBearAK

5 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd - I actually only saw a single 2.0 micro HDMI cable listed, at least on Amazon. Still curious if you have been able to pass through the timecode signal to a second HDMI monitor or something. Not sure if the cable really has anything to do with the problem, since I doubt very much the HDMI port on the MixPre would report readiness to accept a 2.0 signal regardless of which type of cable was used. Really leaning toward this being an ATOMOS firmware issue, and you should continue shining a bright light on the problem until they fix it. A lot of people will thank you.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@RedBearAK Will need to try that when I have a bit of time. In the meantime, another community member found a solution with a specific powered HDMI splitter.

Suggest sending video to Atomos and let them tell you again how it's working...although you probably already thought of that. :)

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Good idea!

Did Atomos ever provide an answer, to this concern? Other than their statement made to Curtis regarding “HDMI pass through the TC”, which is certainly not the case based upon everyone’s comments.

@curtisjudd

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Bellis I have not heard any more from ATOMOS. Others have used powered HDMI splitters to solve the issue.

Can someone give me a HONEST replay about PASS-TROUGH latency on Ninja V, I know that the monitor has some latency on screen, what I want to know if the HDMI OUT signal is also processed or it can be just passed trough without any change and no lag? I need this device to record PC/Console 4K/HDR gameplay without buying a second PC, its nice small package, BUT i need to actually PLAY the game at the same time, so HDMI pass trough is extremely important to me, it has to be clean untouched signal, no delay, no lag.

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mr. House, I don't have a Ninja V on hand to test. It passes through a clean signal, but I'm not sure about the latency of the HDMI output. Perhaps someone like EposVox who focuses more on game recording would know (he's on KZread). You might also contact ATOMOS support to see what they can tell you. Best wishes.

This Problem is now officially fixed! Try the latest atomOS Version.

@WILDWILDVAPE

3 жыл бұрын

For all recorder?

@Kissenbattle

3 жыл бұрын

@@WILDWILDVAPE I don‘t know. I have only tested it with the Ninja V and the MixPre3 Ii

@WILDWILDVAPE

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kissenbattle thank you helped alot... the ninja v is the one im looking for :)

@ansiblemedia893

3 жыл бұрын

I just ran an tested this on my Ninja V and MixPre-3 II and am still having the same issue (AtomOS 10.61) with my EOS R. Are you certain they fixed it?

I use a D850 just as a sensor and lens. I record the log out to a Ninja V, I want the Ninja V to output the TC to MixPre 3 ii and in turn trigger the MixPre 3 ii to record. But Nothing I do can make it work. I'd of thought this was a good use case but no-none seems to have an answer. I get told to use the stereo out from the MixPre 3 ii and record the audio on the Ninja, but... The audio is not great on the Ninja V. I do use the stereo out to have a match on waveform, but I am male, so often forget to hit record on the MixPre, so end up with just the Ninja audio. 😐

@curtisjudd

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Keith Francis's comment below with details on how he made it work will help you. Best wishes!

@imaner76

4 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd Hi, I did look at that, I'm mainly using Ronins S, so extra cabling and batteries may be overkill. I'm surprised this has not been addressed given it's the most logical way to run, camera to 10 bit recorder then out via HDMI to trigger sound and or TC. I'm guessing they sell a "solution"

I have a Canon DSLR and have connected it to the Camera HDMI OUT to my mix pre3 TC IN. The camera screen goes black. I've contacted Canon but they said there's nothing they can do about that. Are there any other Canon users having this problem? how are we supposed to deal with this? Just try to sync it in post-production?

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know as I haven't shot Canon for several years, but does the screen black out with magiclantern?

@ceestimmer1883

5 жыл бұрын

I have a Canon EOS R which showed exactly the same problem.

@TheTechnoPilot

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly guys this is the nature of the way Canon programmed their camera which means when it has a valid output source, they turn off the on camera display. Sorry there is no known work around except buying a Panasonic. 😉

With a cheap monitor (Lilliput A7S) instead of a video recorder, hdmi passthrow works just fine for hdmi timecode and record flag from GH5S to Mixpre 3.

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

2 жыл бұрын

👍

I have EOS R, MixPre6, Ninja2 at it works perfect. I use the "Atomos AtomFlex Pro HDMI 2.0 Mini HDMI 30cm-60cm" and "SmallHD 24-inch Micro to Full HDMI Cable"

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Cool. to confirm, both time code and HDMI control both work? If so, sounds like the Ninja2 actually passes the timecode and control flags through.

@alfskaar489

5 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd Yes recording stop and start when I push the button on the EOS R on all. HDMI trigger the record. EOS R > Ninja2 > MixPre6 (trigger set to timecode)

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@alfskaar489 That's great news, thanks Alf!

@jtdiddy3160

3 жыл бұрын

can any hdmi 2.0 cable work (i.e. Amazon brands etc...) or do u really have to use Atomos overpriced hdmi cables?

Dont know the answer, but I think its upstanding of you to make a quick video to find the answer to someones question.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

My guess is Atomos is wrong, they don’t pass thru the signal cleanly. Or possibly the HDMI signal gets sufficiently screwed up going thru the Atomos hardware that the TC packets are unreadable.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

That seems likely to me as well.

@RallenMan

5 жыл бұрын

Also please do tell where you got that HDMI micro to micro cable as they were hard to find when I bought one.

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@RallenMan Oh, that's an HDMI standard to micro cable. I bought it at monoprice.com.

@RallenMan

5 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd OK, but don’t you also have a micro to micro HDMI cable to go between your GH5 and the MixPre?

@curtisjudd

5 жыл бұрын

@@RallenMan The GH5 has a full size HDMI port so I use a full size to micro HDMI cable to interconnect the GH5 and MixPre. It is one of the features on the GH5 which make it stand out for video work.

Looks like another problem that Atomos is going to sweep under the rug and not fix or even comment on.

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

Based on their support replies, they seem to believe it is not their problem - that their recorders pass through all the necessary information. The work-around solution of using a powered HDMI splitter seems to suggest otherwise.

Hi Curtis, I use HDMI to micro HDMI cable to connect Mixpre-3 and Gh5, Gh5 can trigger Mixpre-3 recording synchronously, but when I want to view the previous recording screen on Gh5, I can't play it. I need to unplug the cable. Is there any solution? Thank you :)

@LearnLightAndSoundSessions

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't found a way except to disconnect the HDMI cable.

@CharlieL.

5 жыл бұрын

@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions Thank you :P