Okay but that Celine scene actually kinda did work

@fearthericelord546

4 жыл бұрын

I hate the fact that this works so well

@A_328FL

3 жыл бұрын

It just works

@edwardsnyder4264

3 жыл бұрын

Having listened a few times to your analysis, I cannot disagree with what you say...until your last line:. "we don't get to hear her become a hero" . I respectfully disagree. Like many things in life, it (status as a hero) "sneaks up on us". We don't hear her become a hero UNTIL the last 45-90 seconds of the movie when the music builds from the more placid Themyscria Theme to the BvS Wonder Woman Theme; she IS now the hero, Wonder Woman. (The END music during the animated production company credit is particularly striking, again Themyscria toned, thus saying, at least to me:. So there! I am both:... Wonder Woman AND Diana)

@randompensamientos9802

3 жыл бұрын

I thought so too!

@markpaff8211

3 жыл бұрын

More than kinda

Seriously though, pairing Gal Gadot deflecting bullets with Celine Dion sent shivers down my spine.

@guyr3618

6 жыл бұрын

Right?! It was strangely fitting. Now I want to hear a complete edit of that scene with that song, heh.

@veronicaaragon8610

4 жыл бұрын

So much power in one clip

@ethanhutchings5024

4 жыл бұрын

Chefs kiss👌

@susparia4724

4 жыл бұрын

When you have 1k likes but only four replies

@veronicaaragon8610

4 жыл бұрын

@@susparia4724 because we all know he speaks the truth

The Celine Dion scene killed me.

@lilyme3

6 жыл бұрын

I"m not gonna lie. I kind of loved it. XD

@solidcreature5950

6 жыл бұрын

Rachie And The Waves let that sink in

@jarlfenrir

5 жыл бұрын

@@lilyme3 Kinda loved it? It was totally EPIC!

@tpasco1995

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ep-Vw7dyeda0gLg.html I finished it, and it just gets better and better.

@vflarsh

4 жыл бұрын

And it's oddly satisfying

Sideways: "What does Wonder Woman represent?" Me: "Truth. Peace. Cooperation. Protection. Reconciliation." Wonder Woman Movie: "I believe in love." Me: "Wut?"

@seastormsinger

4 жыл бұрын

I always though she represents compassion, which can be harsh, and can be soft, but is always rooted in love. That being said, I hate the final boss fight of wonder woman, its terrible.

@TheDeathmail

4 жыл бұрын

truth, peace, cooperation, protection, reconciliation.. also forms of love... it's a very broad word...

@ahentargs

4 жыл бұрын

There's a wisecrack video that explained it pretty well, you should check it out

@theguywithsomething8634

4 жыл бұрын

Vaguely remember that comic from ages ago when a bunch of different justice league members got power rings - flash had blue for hope, lex luthor had greed, etc - and Wonder Woman got love.

@RapidFyrez

4 жыл бұрын

@@jakelee7083 It was thematically appropriate at the time as Flash had been the central character of hope, not just representing hope, but possessing hope.

"...he decides to give up on technology and go vegan." LOL dude...good one.

@hasbethperez5598

4 жыл бұрын

I died

@pinkajou656

2 жыл бұрын

I read this the moment it was said and it made it even funnier.

I NEVER NOTICED THAT LINE FROM WHEN WE MEET THE WHILE GANG “and may we never get what we deserve”

"If I asked you to write a theme for Wonder Woman, how would you do it?" Brass. Duh. Next question.

@RileyHarrisVFX

3 жыл бұрын

I-Vi something something, right?

@lisal8747

2 жыл бұрын

This was literally my exact thought lmao

@pinkajou656

2 жыл бұрын

“Brass? Horns and stuff? Oh, what they represent, huh, that’s a bit more difficult now isn’t it.”

5:07 "We see that Luke is tapping into the force, putting him on the same level as Obi-Wan." It wasn't the force aspect of that scene that made Luke transcend to Obi-Wan's level, it was the literal aspect. *HE JUMPED UP TO THE HIGH GROUND.*

I feel musically enlightened every time I watch one of your videos

@lukedillon2510

4 жыл бұрын

omg yes me too

@TheSchultinator

3 жыл бұрын

I just started watching and have only continued to realize just how musically illiterate I am. (I don't listen to music really :| )

@ballsosaurus_sex

2 жыл бұрын

It's like my brain increases in size

When I saw the film in the theater, I did actually wondered why they didn't save the wonder woman theme for the last battle. Now I know why.

You made a lot of good points in this video and I enjoyed it, but the one thing that I didn't agree with was the conclusion where you said that she didn't have a defining moment where she both visually and musically became a hero. In the No Man's Land scene, she goes out of her way and overcomes nigh impossible odds to defeat the German soldiers and save that village. That scene had its own unique orchestral theme and it set her apart from all the other Amazons by showing that she will put her life on the line to defend the innocent. She put her mission to destroy Ares on hold to save these people, and it was a huge moment for her. I would definitely see that as the moment where she shows her compassion and strength and embodies the iconic heroine that is Wonder Woman.

@williamfarmer9896

6 жыл бұрын

Which was one of the best parts of the film which itself was 100% great story telling about love vs deserving

@daanwilmer

6 жыл бұрын

I think what Sideways was mentioning that _in that particular scene_, we see her become a hero but the music doesn't support that transofrmation... until the credits roll. And while it's true that she becomes a hero on the battlefield, stepping far beyond what she was doing on Themiscyra, she did not fully become Wonder Woman until the last scenes, which is what Sideways was referencing.

@melissaperez7279

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Bradley YEEESSS thank you

@moodist1er

5 жыл бұрын

Matt Bradley that's what Nasi Nazis do.. Pluck heart strings. Sheep

@hiimchrisj

4 жыл бұрын

You kinda missed the point there. When he says that "we see her become a hero but we don't hear her become a hero" he's not saying that the two aspects (visuals and music) don't coalesce at any point into a huge moment that defines her as a character, he's saying the exact opposite. He's saying that while she does have that moment, multiple of them, the theme they use there still isn't what becomes her theme. Had the score in that scene also become her theme for the rest of the movie that underscores all of her major character defining moments you'd have a point but the problem is that they don't.

Man this video is...wonderful

@reviews2d77

6 жыл бұрын

Harith Sami Already have

@ThomasK96

4 жыл бұрын

I think this video explains Wonder Woman theme better kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYiMuLtykqfahrw.html

@thisislydiarae

4 жыл бұрын

*Internally groans*

There is a solution : You know the piece used in the final fight between Diana and Aries is cauled lighting strikes. The few first seconds starts with the Amazon theme, but then at 1 : 15 they started to put some electric cello and mix them up, and by the time goes the electric cello becomes lowder and the Amazon theme starts be playing in major with the "is she with you ?" theme instruments (the leitmotif that was featured and used in the ww film to represent her as diana), then at 1 : 59 the cello becomes even more lowder and the Amazon theme translated to the leitmotif that represented her as Diana (that was featured in "is she with you ?"), and then at 2 : 56 the other leitmotif disappear and the only instrument we can hear is electric cello. That transformation in the piece represent her transformation as a hero. So, yeah we hear her become a hero ! And when the credits come they use the bvs theme to tell us : "ok, now the transformation is done. Diana is now the wonder woman you saw in bvs"

@cocosam96

4 жыл бұрын

I'm two years late to the party but yes! The transition at 2:56 to her theme + the additional horns that mirror the Diana/love theme that's been building up throughout the rest of the song feels like the apotheosis of WW - and if I'm not mistaken, this is also when she "goodbye brother"s Ares. Her warrior side (the BvS theme) combined with her belief in love, to sum up who she is/the hero she has become: Wonder Woman

@aeolus9981

3 жыл бұрын

that is quite a good suggestion and makes sense, it would be quite interesting to have someone put this together

@knightsljx

3 жыл бұрын

it's not about writing transitions in the music. it's that Diana has no apotheosis theme, a piece of music that represents what she has become. BvS basically wrote the music into a corner. BvS WW is supposed to be the hero Diana has become, the one that believes in and fights for the love and potential of mankind. So the BvS theme HAS to be that theme, because the events of WW movie has already happened by BvS. But the music ISN'T that theme. Once that happens, no one can unf**k it anymore. Which is the point of this video. I thought it as a hyperbole when Sideways said we don't hear her become Wonder Woman, it's not. I went back to the scene and holy crap, her apotheosis scene IS in silence.

What killed Wonder Woman for me was that she killed Ares and the war ended. Because that central lesson she's supposed to learn, that the problem is not the one guy, is actively disproven by what we see on screen. She kills Ares, in the next scene she is back in London and the war has ended. Basically, Steve saved the world, because he made her believe in love and that made her able to punch Ares well enough.

@reubenm.d.5218

4 жыл бұрын

I can't help but suspect this was executive interference to give us all a happy ending to go home with. Imagine how much more powerful this film would have been if Diana killed Ares (fake-out that it's Ludendorff or not, I don't much care) and then the war still goes on. If you don't want to end the film in that emotional mire, you can set a final scene a few weeks later to remind everyone how the war actually ended. But so many character beats build up to this moment of realisation for Diana that all people have light and dark in them, and then... Nope it was just a mean old god everything's fine. What a waste.

@mahatmaayayos2384

4 жыл бұрын

For me she kept fighting 'til the war end like a year later but...

@seanian8986

3 жыл бұрын

Even if Ares was behind WWI, she learned that war is something that just exists as a force in humanity. That's what their whole confrontation and her closing monolog is about

@benjaminlillis7807

3 жыл бұрын

Show don’t tell. Show don’t tell. Show show show show no tell tell tell tell show don’t tell. (Sung to the tune of Hot across Buns). Just because something builds up to a point doesn’t mean they don’t have to see it through. It doesn’t matter if they have one piece of dialogue mentioning that they didn’t completely forget about all the themes of their movie, they have to show us that they didn’t completely forget about all the themes of their movie.

@Soroboruo

3 жыл бұрын

I've said it before and I will continue to say it, the whole Ares angle felt really forced and hammy. It would have been so much more interesting and impactful if even if she HAD found The Real Ares, it turned out he'd been chilling letting humans do their thing because trying to outdo them was way too much effort. Forcing her to confront the reality that humans can be incredibly harmful without any divine interference would have allowed for some impressive character growth and reasonable doubt in humanity and all that, imo.

I think the perfect solution for the climactic scene would’ve been to play the Hans Zimmer arrangement using the instruments from the Themyscira theme. It’s the perfect blending of the sound of individuality and power associated with Wonder Woman, and the sound of resilience and faith in others associated with Princess Diana: the full picture.

@RainDaemonic

6 жыл бұрын

I dunno, it seems like the main part of the hans zimmer theme arrangement isn't the melody but the instruments used itself.

@UltimateKyuubiFox

6 жыл бұрын

RainDaemonic Exactly. It’d be more subtle, for sure, but people playing close attention would likely notice.

@guyr3618

6 жыл бұрын

No, the Hans Zimmer theme would never be able to convey "love", which is what Wonder Woman is supposed to be all about. The Hans Zimmer theme is too... Violent, and dark.

@UltimateKyuubiFox

6 жыл бұрын

Guy R Shift it into major key and it might tell a different story.

@Brabbel93

6 жыл бұрын

A good composer can do that. You can turn every melody into every emotion. Just listen to the two "Hand Of Fate" parts from "Signs" by James Newton Howard and how he let's a 3note theme go through almost every emotion possible. Or how John Williams makes The Imperial March go all sad and fragile when Vader dies. Or how John Debney turns the comic relief song "I wanna Be Like You" into a horror/action theme in the Jungle Book remake. In a world where composers can pull this off, surely you can develope the WW theme, too. It's just, that today very few composers/filmmakers think like that. Claims like that baffle me just the same as when people go "Oh John Williams can't write dark music! He is only good for heroic orchestral stuff!" Like...have these people ever heard of Schindler's List? War Of The Worlds? Anakin's Dark Muthafucking Deeds? :D

The werewolf from Harry Potter 😂, yei Remus

@valentina5885

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew :D No, he's Varga from Fargo

I got chills from the end of this video holy crap

@jojoirish8523

6 жыл бұрын

RedTailedDolphin ME TOO OMG

@groofay

6 жыл бұрын

I don't even watch many of the new superhero films (including Wonder Woman) and I did too.

@ishaanwankhade4834

3 жыл бұрын

same same!

I've always felt the Wonder Woman soundtrack was heaven-sent because how it perfectly represents her fighting style. But I never really gave it much thought or for that matter, took note of the other pieces in the movie. You've opened my...ears.

The Force and Binary Sunset themes never fail to give me goosebumps all over.

I believe you have forgotten Wonder Woman is a demigod. 'No Man's Land' is the best theme for Wonder Woman. When you hear the music, you are completely enveloped inside a divine force hovering around. A heavenly force that completely defines Wonder Woman as a DemiGod. As you hear the music starts slowly then gradually amplifies. I think the power created in No Man's Land's theme greatly amplifies Wonder Woman's capability not just a hero but a solid symbol of all positive forces that only humans can imagine. Wonder Woman on that No Man's Land's scene is completely portrayed as a positive force. She's a force.

@Elephantsaresupreme

Жыл бұрын

Being a demigod shouldn't be the main focus of her character tho. Also this comment was four years ago I realise that

@cringekiller348

Жыл бұрын

She sucked as a character

@alexanderwinn9407

Жыл бұрын

The problem is, all that No Man's Land sounds like IS force. It's "badass," it's "awesome," and NOTHING else. It doesn't sound Greek, like her origin. It doesn't sound heroic, in the sense of being a force specifically of good. It just sounds badass, and I guess a little tribal/ancient. It would work equally well as the theme of Gamora, or Scarlet Witch, or Poison Ivy, or even Thor. If your theme could apply equally well to a dozen other characters (both hero and villain), then it's not worthy of a character as beloved as Wonder Woman.

So she represents Agape.

@lgmmrm

6 жыл бұрын

Noah Blank or Storge. I can see veins of her maternal attitude towards humanity

Mythologically, Aphrodite does "defeat" Ares, distracting him from war (as she cheats on her arms-dealer husband.) Hard to shoehorn that into a Wonder Woman movie, though.

fun fact: the chello in the opening is actually the start of her theme from BvS, not just a random chello to refference that theme, its literally from that theme.

i HATE how much the amazing steve trevor speach is COMPLETELY UNDERCUT... "you dont think i wish their was one bad guy to blame" * introducing...the one bad guy that manipulated the world and caused this *

4:37 honestly one of the best descriptions of that scene I’ve ever heard

I find Diana having different pieces of music defining different aspects of her character instead of one defining theme that encompasses all of who she is very fitting, actually. If Batman and Superman are equal but opposite extremes (as I’ve heard some put it), then Wonder Woman falls somewhere in the middle, and has a lot more complexity to her because of that. Unlike Batman or Superman, she doesn’t have an issue with killing, but she also looks for a peaceful solution whenever possible. She began her film as a naive, rather simple character and learned about all the shades of gray, so having her music reflect that lack of simplicity-of black and white good and evil-actually works pretty well.

When John Williams first scored Star Wars, he explicitly called what later became the Force Theme "Ben's Theme." It was Lucas who led to the expansion of the theme's meaning, by asking Williams to use it in the "Binary Sunset" scene, which Williams had originally scored with Luke's Theme (which itself later became a generalized "Star Wars Theme"). Darth Vader also had a personal theme (it plays, e.g., under the "Holding her is dangerous" scene in the first film), but Williams didn't care for it much, and replaced it with the Imperial March from the time of The Empire Strikes Back onward.

Writing a theme for wonder woman to represent her being a woman is like writing a theme for batman and having it represent his batness

@simaopereira3697

6 жыл бұрын

WW is a simbol of gender equality, I don´t tink you can´t write a theme for her without avoiding that aspect of her character.

@fionnconnor3428

6 жыл бұрын

Simao Pereira Her being a woman is part of her character but not part of who she is. Does WW fight for women everywhere and for equality? No. Her values are justice and forgiveness and all that good stuff. Even in the film WW never really acts feminine, and she's never seen saving people specifically because they're women. She fights for humanity's right to exist, not for underprivileged minorities.

@guyr3618

6 жыл бұрын

Well, Diana's femininity IS a part of her, even if it's not her most central trait. So, putting some feminine traits into her theme would have been just as fitting as putting the sound of bat-wings into the Dark Knight trilogy's soundtracks. The decision to use a cello (a string instrument, associated with femininity) for her theme is actually really inspired, as the video says.

@MargoMetsoja

6 жыл бұрын

It got me thinking. Iron Man - wears a iron suit. Batman - wears a bat costume Aquaman - lives in the sea or smth Superman - is super. First part is adjective, not a noun. Wonder Woman - also a adjective and a noun but in my opinion represents more being a woman, not being wonderful. So writing a theme about Batman that represents him being a man would not be the right idea. Writing a theme about Superman that represents him being a man would not be entirely wrong idea, but it should be about being super. Writing a theme about Wonder Woman that represents her being a woman would be the right way in my opinion.

@Wuffskers

6 жыл бұрын

I disagree, I don't think she represents being a woman I think she actually DOES represent being wonderful. She is not preoccupied with gender issues, she is completely unbiased and is almost the embodiment of being unbiased. She doesn't represent women clashing against patriarchal oppression or anything of the sort, she is pure compassion for everything, men, women, children, even animals. She's basically a paragon of compassion and empathy that all humans should strive to achieve and that they all look to with wonder.

To me, the wonder woman theme in the credits always sounded like a 'to be continued'. Like an open end, there's more to the story and more to this character.

Ahhh, the Star Wars stuff is so good! Thanks for explaining the music in Star Wars, it finally clicked for me with this video, on what makes Star Wars different from other movies’ scores.

Her theme reminds me of Led Zeppelin's Immigrant song

@thirteenfury

6 жыл бұрын

Dan Jones Now that you said it, I can't unhear it. But it makes sense to borrow from "Immigrant" since Diana herself is an immigrant and the popular riff from "Immigrant" could also be called a banshee wail.

@melisashahin

4 жыл бұрын

I read in an interview somewhere that this was intentional..

@ShevkoMore

3 жыл бұрын

Soo... "in the end"?....

That dialogue between Diana and Steve is so good. It is actually philosophically deep, well-acted, very important to the plot. It really elevates the film.

Sideways: how would you write a music theme for Wonder Woman Me: BRASS, LOTS N LOTS OF BRASS

@guyr3618

6 жыл бұрын

I would actually still use the electric cello that Zimmer used... I would just use it to play a much more "loving" theme, and not a Metallica riff.

@edu_moonwalker

5 жыл бұрын

Guy R You mean the Steel Pedal Guitar? That instrument is genius! I first thought was a electric guitar, then i see the making of Man Of Steel score. And to me the best score track of the movie using the steel pedal guitar is "Battle Continues" also known as "If You Love These People" ❤

All perfectly said but ONE thing: the softer motif in the BvS Wonder Woman piece is Clark and Lois's theme - it's in Man of Steel and carries over to BvS. In BvS, that motif is played when Lois goes on her side quest to get the kryptonite spear. It has nothing to do with Wonder Woman as a character BUT... if it's something that RGW heard and modified for his WW score, at least it all sounds cohesive within the DCEU between the two (or three) films!

Dude, Wonder Woman’s soundtrack was great. One of the best CBM soundtracks in a long time.

Truth and Justice and the American Way

@ThatCyndi

6 жыл бұрын

Doc Jabberwock I know i just think it's funny how truth justice and the american way is almost an inside joke on this channel now

@lobachevscki

6 жыл бұрын

I love you so much for this.

@johnhooyer3101

6 жыл бұрын

Peace on Earth, Goodwill toward Men.

@blakebonecutter

6 жыл бұрын

And no commas.

@DenSvartaStjarnan

6 жыл бұрын

I guess Wonder Woman would stand for oppression and the Israeli way.

This was a really good video considering I hadn't thought of this before and now thinking about it it feels incomplete knowing there isn't just one thing that ties her together. This one sort of reminds me of the Steven Universe video with all the different themes and then coming together.

The music that was playing during the climax was actually great and represented all it needed to represent unlike the score of 90% of the MCU movies.

"Give up on technology and go vegan" 😂😂😂 oh shit. My sides are killing me.

The electric cello is really good, but I also kinda wish they had use something like a ram's horn -- an instrument that's technically "brass" but lacks the brassiness and calls back to her ancient Greek origins.

No man's land music was amazing, for me that is the most beautiful and defining piece in the movie.

@dubbingsync

4 жыл бұрын

Have to agree that that’s one of those perfect scenes in that movie. Because I cry every time when she steps on to no mans land.

Wow! I just had an epiphany! Or maybe just an ordinary piphany, I'm not sure yet. But: You give the example of the "love theme" being played when Leia rescues Han. I then imagined the force theme playing instead - and the scene gets a TOTALLY different vibe. This scene would have been about the force guiding Leia to rescue Han in the interest of the greater picture, NOT about them actually caring for another. And you get this, instantly! It sets this scene in so much context, just by playing a "small theme". Mind blown.

There is one element I disagree with you on and it's where she actually becomes Wonder Woman. I believe she becomes Wonder Woman in the No Man's Land scene because for once, she isn't going after Ares. She's going after a village in danger simply because they needed help and it's truly inspiring. If you'll notice, that's also the first time they use the BvS theme because that's not only the first time we see her fight in costume but also the first time we see her fighting for something other than the death of Ares. Heck her defining line isn't 'I believe in love' but it's actually this exchange right before she goes out to No Man's Land: Steve: "We can't save everyone. This is not what we came here to do." Diana: "No. But it's what I'm going to do." To me, that is Wonder Woman. Someone who doesn't fight out of guilt or revenge but because it's the right thing to do.

Can you talk about Debussy please? You could talk about Impressionism and his influence on jazz.

@brainstormsurge154

6 жыл бұрын

Do you love Debussy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@cyprinuscarpio4541

6 жыл бұрын

Wow very original and mature replies

@jacobp.2753

6 жыл бұрын

He just did

@nomnommoon1001

6 жыл бұрын

"just make sure always finish on the Bach, never finish on Debussy"

@williamsapong81

5 жыл бұрын

Debussy goes great with the pianist, if you know what I mean.

This is a great analysis! However, at 12:05 you mention the "new" Wonder Woman cue originating in "Is She With You?" I don't think this is correct because that cue in "Is She With You?" is actually something we hear in Man of Steel (check out "Krypton's Last" and "Launch"). Furthermore, this part of the score plays in BvS when Clark hears Lois drowning during the fight and goes to save her, reenforcing that this is actually Clark's cue. Just a small correction, but I love the video! I really appreciate someone discussing movie scores with the same enthusiasm I have for them.

But, c'mon. The electric cello and bass drums is still AMAZING (and honestly? Wonder Woman's cameos were the only good parts of BvSM, and she still had the best lines/line delivery, and she's the only one who actually DID anything)

@gingerkitty1425

4 жыл бұрын

Literally the only part of BvS I liked, when she turned up with her awesome music.

@gigaknight4655

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the Batman scene where hes using all sorts of gadgets in the warehouse trying to save Supermans mom.

That part of “Is She With You?” That plays during 11:40 is actually Clark & Lois’s theme. It plays when they kiss in Man Of Steel and when they have that bathtub... scene in Batman V Superman.

That Celine Dion moment was amazing. It went really well with the scene!

So, wait...Does that mean Wonder Woman DOES NOT have a "proper" leitmotif?!

@guyr3618

6 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it means. That's why this video is titled "the impossible task" - it was impossible to create a proper leitmotif for Wonder Woman, after BvS. It's a shame, really.

Woah holy shit I don't think there was a single mistake in this video. That's gotta be a new one for Sideways

@play4thrill42

6 жыл бұрын

Btw I love your videos so much keep up the great work

Did you purposely not give us closure in the ending because that's what Wonder Woman's theme lacks? Closure?

@shneancy220

6 жыл бұрын

I think that he wanted to say that "we see her become a hero, but we don't hear her become a hero, and then the credits roll (and then we hear it)" but that's just my guess

@ShevkoMore

3 жыл бұрын

For me "We didn't hear her become a hero. And then the credits roll" with music repeated the conclusion which he explained: we didn' get that("..her become a hero"), and it's BvS's fault(the theme used in that film)

When you drew parallel between the minor Wonder Woman Theme and Is She With You, that part from Is She With You is actually a major motif of Man of Steel and associated with Superman's suffering primarily

man, i never know music was so complicated. keep it up guy!

0:24 Celine Dion made that moment even more badass to me.

Always ready for a new sideways video 👌👌😩

Very thoughtful and well-explained premise on Wonder Woman thematically. Bravo 👏🏼. You deserve your own Hans Zimmer leitmotif.

Fastest thing I've ever clicked on in my life

I think the 'BvS Wonder Woman theme' you showed was actually Superman's theme from both BvS and MoS (the one called 'Is She With You?')You hear that theme in the MoS soundtrack, so I think it was carried across from that film.

I'm... kind of sad now...

You explained the theme in Wonder Woman better in 3 minutes than most analysis videos have done in fifteen. Great job on that alone.

Honestly didn't realise this movie had a score when I watched it.

She doesnt become Wonder woman at the end of the movie though, she becomes WW during the no man's land scene. (Great video otherwise)

Kind of reminds me of how they used the James Bond theme in Casino Royale. You hear bits of it or similar music throughout the film, but it isn't until the very end when Craig says "Bond, James Bond" that we hear the full theme.

Another awesome video! Correction though: The emotional string part in "Is She with You" is actually Clark and Lois' theme (and was part of Superman's theme in Man of Steel). So that isn't really apart of Wonder Woman's character. However, what IS cool is that Rupert Gregson Williams (himself a protege of Hans Zimmer and his style) writes in that same style of music, so there's a sense of continuity between the two film's scores. Cool right!?! Also, after some more thought, I disagree with the conclusion you reach at the end of the video. I thought the music underscoring Diana defeating Ares was perfect as THE Wonder Woman theme. I see nothing wrong with a character having two themes defining different parts of their character. It would be NICE if we had one complete theme, but I don't think it's a film score sin that WW has these two different themes for her.

Stopping the god of war... by going to war.

4:37 I don't know why that made me laugh out loud, but it did.

That soft portion from BvS is clearly the love theme from MoS as it plays while Lois is drowning.

I think the film did do a good job in the end. Not all films need to have perfect score. This had now almost iconic fight theme for her and the amazon theme and the softer Wonder Woman theme for the more charcater driven stuff. Sure you could have added a theme or instrument for Steve and the rest and combined that with the fight and WW theme in the end to create some perfect theme but I think the music was still used well. Great video in any case. And I still agre that BVS is to blame and I wonder if Aquaman's theme is going to suffer form is seeing him in the Justice League diets too.

12:13 I thought that was Superman's theme. I mean, yeah it's in the same track as WW's theme, but it comes in when Superman saves Lois from drowning.

@TheDav580

6 жыл бұрын

Her theme was use during the hole final battle fight

@hellotherekenobi2156

6 жыл бұрын

FlyAway Except it wasn't

@Chance57

6 жыл бұрын

So he had two? His MoS theme was there too. When I play 'Is she with you?' I never get a Superman vibe.

@hellotherekenobi2156

6 жыл бұрын

Corey Kinard The timestamp I mentioned is Superman music. The track, that I can think of off the top of my head, that it resembles most is 'Flight' from MOS. It's towards the middle of the track after Superman crashes through the mountain, and music slows down. Compare the two. You'll see what I mean.

@UriTrash

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that part is from the terraforming track in man of steel i think

UGH, I could binge watch this channel so easily. I have, a couple of times. Awesome analysis, keep it up!

"It's not until she finds out Aires is the werewolf from Harry Potter" best line by far😂. Great video, keep it up!!

12:10 That melody doesn’t belong to Wonder Woman though. It‘s way back from Man of Steel. You can hear it (sometimes with variations) in the tracks „Goodbye my Son“ and „Flight“ for example. Although what‘s interesting is the fact that whenever it appears, humans are the center of discussion in the moment in which it plays during the movie.

FINALLY, someone who understands why the WW theme is so frustrating. Amazing video!

This video was simply one of the best I seen on KZread in a while! Keep it up, man! Excellent work! :)

I love how you apply your knowledge of music to more new and popular subjects. This knowledge really helps me appreciate music in ways that I could have never imagined contributed to the theme of, in this case, Wonder Woman and symbolism in pop culture. Keep up the good work!

This really made me wonder if the love that's talked about in the film really isn't "love" as we define it in modern times, but "love" as was defined by people like the Greeks, agape, eros, storge, etc. It would make a lot of sense given that Diana is an Amazon, a tribe from Greece, and the concept of "agape" seems to align much more with Diana's arc since it's defined as an unconditional love for humanity and for creation itself, something which Ares completely and utterly rejects.

your videos have such a great structure and is so insightful :D I love them

This was really great insight on ways to compose for ideas over specific characters!

Super interesting! Thanks so much for this! I love learning more about film music and your videos are always so insightful and thoughtful

Damn do I love your videos. I'm not the most educated on music but you explain it all so well!!! It's so much fun to watch. Thank you!

This is really interesting! I think in many ways the no man's land scene is where she becomes Wonder Woman, or at least begins that, because that's what she represents in those actions - doing the right thing even though nobody else will, and giving other people the courage to do that too.

I think the electric cello would be taken more as connected to WW's fighting style most of all as a warrior given the distinct thing about her is between the trinity she's the one who uses skillfully hand to hand combat rather than gadgets and raw power alone. At least that's what I see it as. That way it's still just a part of her and seeing as each of these themes are in fact a part of her they probably could have created a variation of the theme to represent her heroic transformation or maybe went back and used some warm brass as the final theme. That way it could represent her for this one scene as just her transformation whilst still maintaining the electric cello theme for the 2nd movie. It also makes sense for her to have many themes as opposed to one given she has so many contrasting concepts to balance that other characters just don't have. She must balance feminism, truth, justice, love, individualism, and utilitarianism all of which can really contradict each other in many ways. They'll need to do a grey area where they can't exclusively theme ideas or characters but an overlapped mixture of both that outlines the connection. Thematic variation and motivic transformation will be their friend in that case.

Favourite channel doing a video about favourite film! Actually I started following your channel like a month before Wonder Woman came out. I focused and listened to the sound and actually liked it. Recognized these string throughout the film that were hint of the main theme. But I liked your in depth analyze of the score. I've seen WW for about 6-7 times now and next time I will listen more and try to see if the impossible task you point out is really as you described. EDIT: That Celine Dion part of the video. Genius.

This is gonna be a good one!

This is one powerful essay. Absolutely loved it despite not caring a bit about the movie. Thank you for sharing your unique cinematic audiophile view, it helps me broaden my vocabulary when describing subjective "wow what a movie" and "yikes, is it a movie" experiences

I haven't seen the movie yet but now I'm even more curious after listening to that super badass electric theme! I loved the little I got to hear from your videos. Which by the way, great work! I love video essays, especially about movies, and I appreciate yours a lot since I don't see many tackling music in general!

Wow. Never has the fact that the video ended brought home the video's point more clearly. Well done you!

Marker 10:27 - I 100% agree that putting that theme in too much would wreck both the theme and the movie as a whole. As I listen to you overlay it on top of the different fight scenes, my brain says "yeah, that would have been too much". But my brain also says, "damn that theme slaps and I love it so damn much." :)

Your channel is so amazing I’m a high school music student who has ADHD and the only thing that really helps me do work / focus is music and is my only escape besides comic books which are also extremely important to me. Thank you so much for connecting my favorite things in the world and showing me some amazing pieces aka Erlkonig that I’m now obsessed with and since watching your videos I’m composing my own piece centered around superheroes. You’ve completely inspired me to do this thank you so much

I love your channel so much!!! You deserve way more views and subscribers!!

It's funny how Burtons Batman is "Batman", but Snyders isn't while both of them kill people. Batfleck at least doesn't "directly" kill them lmao

You make me appreciate this gorgeous theme a 1000x over. I think I shed a few tears🥺

I know I'm no expert on this, just a random commenter, but would it be possible to split up a theme like that? Keep the bass hits and such for an Amazon theme, and add in a simplified version of the melody for the protection of man? Because honestly, it reminds me of Spiderverse and its what's up danger. Like it was reverse engineered. And now I'm kind of disappointed this never happened.

I would have given you another like but already did. I didn’t realize how powerful music was in movies and how they connect characters together. Bravo you have a new subscriber. 😉

Gosh darn it Sideways! Fantastic and eye-opening work, as always.

9:01 how did I not notice that Tim Drake was just thrown in for a laugh?

I feel like I know something about music after watching some of your videos, keep it up! Super interesting insights always!

That intro though.. Never thought I needed that, but now my life is complete

Well now we need a video about 'Themyscira' from WW84, because I think its the perfect representation of what the character is supposed to be, though it does use a lot of brass which, as you said, is historically linked with male figures. Its also likely the most joyful/ positive thing Hans Zimmer has ever written and feels unique from him.

I wasn't crazy about this movie in the first place, but for a movie set in World War I, that electric-string theme from BvS felt SO anachronistic. Every appearance of that music took me right out of the movie.