I have always found supreme blessing in the fact that God chose women to participate in the creation with Him of other human beings. Certainly men are part of that but not in the same way as feeling that child created by God growing inside you.

@alanbrott3159

2 жыл бұрын

In my culture women are referred to as life givers and men as life takers. It has always been this way. It is also why my elders teach us that men must work hard to be near God but that God meets women wherever they are. Women are a higher level of sacredness to us because they usher in new souls. I’ve always admired this. Just because our callings and roles are different doesn’t mean one is better than the other. After all heaven has a Queen who was born a human. No purely human man enjoys such a position in the kingdom of God.

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe more in that line. Woman in their bodies literally embodied the church giving life to their children, so they work their work. But priest do not work their work (sacraments) but Christ works the work, the priest just administer it.

@OceanicSwamp

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanbrott3159 This is christianity today. God help us all.

@whitefang351

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanbrott3159 Ignore the negats, I liked what you said.

@ejcrispin

2 жыл бұрын

I can only admire and imagine being w child.

Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever. Amen

Coming from a Church of England background (Anglican) I have been in services where the teaching was delivered powerfully by a woman. Where the reading is performed by women, where music is led by women and it has been perfectly acceptable. But, I have found churches led by women "priests" a little peculiar and the administration of holy communion just wrong, I can't go to those places anymore I feel uncomfortable there. There seems to be space within the church for female leadership but I think I draw the line at leadership of the whole community and administration of communion. I think the best I could summarise it would be - the model for female participation in church leadership is Mary. She reveals Christ and encourages faithfulness to Him. She is pre-eminent in creation and ought to be respected and belled by all. The model for male participation would seem to be Christ himeself - feeding His sheep, teaching the Father's ways and dying for his children.

@TruePT

2 жыл бұрын

A very interesting point, I’ve never really looked at it like that!

@mirnacudiczgela1963

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting observation! Are you Anglican or Catholic now? I agree with you and Fr Pine regarding female ordination.

@thomism1016

2 жыл бұрын

I am Catholic and have no experience of scenario you describe. I am however, curious as to the reason for your "...discomfort...". Why?

@ToxicallyMasculinelol

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomism1016 how could someone be comfortable participating in a liturgy that is in open rebellion against Christ's commands and examples and against 2,000-year-old traditions? at that point, if we're doubting the applicability of these norms to modern conditions, we might as well doubt the entire thing and just accept secular humanism. certainly will make life easier sociopolitically.

@Nick_fb

2 жыл бұрын

As a fellow CofE Christian, I completely agree with the uncomfortable feelings around women priests. I've never had a deeply satisfying theological or intellectual discussion with a woman priest. The conversations always stop short... I think it puts all the men permanently underwater, the feeling begins to matter more than the holy spirit... I find it hard to articulate the problem, but I know it is the wrong way to go! You put your finger on the beauty and power of women performing readings and leading music, that is very true! But the women who desire to go 'all the way to the top' are in danger of losing something vital to the church.

I'm a retired pastor in a theologically conservative Methodist denomination. While we ordain woman, and do so because we believe a sound case can be made from the New Testament, I think that in many ways those who attack the Catholic Church at this point are being unfair. The Catholic Church has more women in ministry than most churches that ordain women. Pastoral ministry is much, much more than the sacraments. Nuns are widely employed in pastoral ministry, as lay women. May our Lord bless every one of them.

@thomism1016

2 жыл бұрын

Great point about the total number of lay women in ministry.

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

There is a big difference: a Pastor is not the same as a Priest. The priest, does not just preach, but also (and more importantly) preforms the offering of a sacrifice (Eucharist) and the rest of the sacraments are linked to this. The tradition of men as priest come from the Jewish roots of the temple office. The priest were men because the sacrifice was something brutal and not considered adequate to woman in that tradition.

@thomism1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro Precisely. However, ironically, there are now female rabbi 😂

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomism1016 🤦🤦🤦 It was not that way from the beginning.

@thomism1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro No! It wasn’t

This Dominican friar rocked my world. He’s so intelligent. In Sicily we would say: “May the milk, which his mother fed him (as a baby), be blessed” - yes, we’re sort of baroque in praising!

I'm always a bit iffy when people start to thrash the importance of support roles, only because support roles don't feed their own ego enough. But those roles are immensly important! I'm quite happy to not be in the forefront of the battle. Be that physically or spiritually. Tbh, I'm just not stable enough. But men are. And so I do my best to do my support role, keep a house a home, raise the children into good people, that are loved. And I try to lead the children into Gods arms. That is where my true power lies. Where I can serve God the best. I was blessed to feel the creation of my babies in my womb. I'm blessed to be able to raise them. And if God willing I'm well enough, I'll try to do some support roles in the Church too. To want more power than the literal creation of new life, and the huge power and responsibility that comes with the rearing of new fragile humans and souls... it just seems so... greedy. I'm happy to follow what Paulus said about women not teaching men scripture and tend more to the home. I won't follow pride to my downfall anymore. And I hope the Church will never fall to appease the pride and greed of some women....

@mouseandryforever6848

Жыл бұрын

The fact you think women are greedy for wanting to have a voice in the church and to make decisions (which clearly women can do since they have shown they can) is very telling. Have you ever thought about Jesus coming here now and starting the church in 2022? Would he choose women in 2022 for his priests? Be open to this.

@turtletoons1016

Жыл бұрын

@@mouseandryforever6848 Priests act in Persona Christi and since Christ was a man only priests can be men, secondly the Catholic priesthood is the continuation of the Jewish priesthood and the renewed priesthood and in that priesthood only men could be priests, lastly the the Church is Jesus's bride and part of mass is the marriage of the Church to Jesus so it doesn't make sense for someone who is acting in Persona Christi to be female because the feminine role is the role that the Church plays and the priest acts in the masculine role.

@Bible33AD

3 ай бұрын

​@turtletoons1016 Christ in who image women are also made, is being discriminated against. Christ does not discriminate against any of His children. God transcends gender- is neither male or female. Jesus incarnate in the flesh was a biological male. The transcendent God in whose image women are made, is the source of women who are the effect. The feminine is also innthe source who transcends gender. Jesus chose 12 Jewish male disciples and chose to work with a Genesis 3 world who were/are trapped in their traditions of man. Christ would not discriminate against women. If a church restricts themselves to what Jesus chose in a time of rabbinical tradition where women were not regarded as legitimate witnesses, then only Jewish males can be ordained ministers and no more than 12 at any given time. Christ does not discriminate against or exclude women simply because He created them women.

Women are the mothers of The Church. They are the first ones that children listen to. Without Women we would have no Church. They carry on the tradition of The Blessed Mother!❤✌️🙏

@1234poppycat

Жыл бұрын

No one is saying that we can do without women. A decree of Vatican II Apostolican Actuositatem 9 "It is very important that they [women] participate more widely also in the various fields of the Churches Apostate "" The Words of Pope John Paul II were not spoken "in Cathedra "

Pope Francis recently modified the Code of Canon Law to ban the ordination of women to the priesthood.

@ErnestoIbarra

2 жыл бұрын

@Skelley Yes. That is true... but I believe there were no official sanctions. The new law states: "Both a person who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive the sacred order, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; a cleric, moreover, may be punished by dismissal from the clerical state." (Can. 1379 § 3)

@partydean17

2 жыл бұрын

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 so wrong. Just because it's the most strict and conservative thing does not mean it's the best. Look at his writings and love he's shown. What's the greatest thing you've done in your time as a layperson for the church?

@OceanicSwamp

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@hoaxnineteen

2 жыл бұрын

@@partydean17 CONSERVATIVE IS GOOD!

@turtletoons1016

Жыл бұрын

@@partydean17 Conservative implies it conserves the original teachings and practices wich Jesus made and enacted so conservative is good.

The female identity of Junia was accepted without objection during the first twelve centuries of the church, according to the writings of the church fathers. Paul's "enthusiastic acclamation" of Junia prompted Chrysostom, prominent Church Father, to marvel at her apparent devotion such that "...she would be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle.” - Wikipedia

We cannot be molded by the world’s thinking.

Great video, thank you! Me and my sister were both born into a Catholic family, but she has become an agnostic and one of the reasons of that is is she feels like the Catholic church supresses the rights of women. I tried to explain to her that she couldn’t be more wrong about that, but then she asked me a question about why women can’t be priests and I couldn’t give her a satisfying and convincing answer back then, so I better told her that I didn’t know, but I was gonna find out. This video helped a lot. A very important topic for Catholic apologetics too. Thank you so much!

@femaleKCRoyalsFan

2 жыл бұрын

You weren’t able to tell her that Priests act in persona Christi so therefore a woman cannot be a priest? I’m guessing she did not know how many wonderful women saints there are? And suppressing the rights of women? what about the blessed mother she is the most honored woman in christianity !

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

The priest, does not just preach, but also (and more importantly) preforms the offering of a sacrifice (Eucharist) and the rest of the sacraments are linked to this. The tradition of men as priest come from the Jewish roots of the temple office. The priest were men because the sacrifice was something brutal and not considered adequate to woman in that tradition, specially because woman had the role to give life and not to take it away.

@heyman.712

2 жыл бұрын

If you study JP2's Theology of the Body, you will see how Christ the Bridegroom offers his Body up to His Bride - the Church - at the marital bed of the Cross. The Bible is one big love story of the Bridegroom and His Bride. Hence, in the Eucharist, Christ's Body should be offered to the Church community (the Bride) by someone who is an image of the Bridegroom. You cannot have that intimate marital imagery if you have a woman as the icon of the Bridegroom. Hence, priests are men. The woman (Mary) is the image of the Church, and while she cannot take in the office of the priest, no male priest can take take her office as well.

@sarahrei4530

2 жыл бұрын

@@heyman.712 wow, thanks, that’s also a nice explanation.

@sarahrei4530

2 жыл бұрын

@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro thank you, this makes a lot of sense.

I will be sharing your video with all the social Catholic Groups. Thank you for standing for His Church, and defending the faith. No one can change the Dogma or the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Let's pray

I completely agree! Women have a very important “SUPPORT” roles in the Church!!! We are Not meant to be priest and I would not go to a church that had a woman priest… it’s just not natural!! These very liberal women need to just STOP and get the heck over themselves!!!!!!! I don’t feel any less important because my role is one of support!!! Thank you Father for this explanation and GOD Bless you and your ministry!!!

@mouseandryforever6848

Жыл бұрын

Do you realize how condescending you sound? I'm a baptised Catholic and have left it since my baptism. Ive been called over and over back to the Church but I cannot deal with the disrespect towards women. Have you ever thought that if Jesus came in a different time that he mightve chosen women? Come on, open your mind.

@mpkropf5062

10 ай бұрын

@@mouseandryforever6848You should look at the church today! The Catholic Church has more women at the altar than men which is a real shame! Jesus would not say things any differently today than He did 2000 years ago because He never changes!! It’s this culture that has Christians following the ways of the world! We need to remember what God The Father taught and what New Testament teaches as well “ we are to live a set-apart life!” We are not to follow the ways of the world and that includes women teaching men!

@catherinellewelyn-evans3693

3 ай бұрын

@@mouseandryforever6848well said

@catherinellewelyn-evans3693

3 ай бұрын

Well, I hate to say it, but as an Anglican (female) priest, it feels completely natural to be so; and I have so many gifted, joyful female priests as friends, most of them doing wonderful work.

@catherinellewelyn-evans3693

3 ай бұрын

I’m very glad for you that you are happy in a support role - but you can’t therefore draw the conclusion that because this feels right for you, then every other woman would want a similar role and should be like you. In every single walk of life, there are those called to follow, and do so happily - and those called to lead.

Thank you for this,Fr. Godbless you.

Easy answer. 1 Timothy 2:8-15" 8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire 10 but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12 I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet woman will be saved through bearing children,[b] if she continues[c] in faith and love and holiness, with modesty."

As always, you did a superlative job of this. Thank you.I especially appreciated the comparison to God’s choice of bread and wine.

Thank you again Fr. Gregory Pine! It is continuously helpful for you to speak about these matters of the Faith. May God bless you

This was an excellent explanation! You made it so easy to understand. God bless you and all your endeavors. 🙏🏻

Based

@TruePT

2 жыл бұрын

And possibly Red Pilled.

@TruePT

2 жыл бұрын

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 lol brilliant!

God bless Father Pine!

At the last supper (the 1st mass) Jesus said 'do this in memory of me' to men only. Even the mother of Jesus was not given these rights.

@partydean17

2 жыл бұрын

But he also only said it in Aramaic. Should we then also only say it in that one language? He also gave it only to Jews. Should all priests be jews? We can presume they were under 6'3" tall. Should we not have priests that are 6'4" since he only said it to people of that specific description ? Should we only be ordaining people in that location he was in? Perhaps if he had meant to ordain people outside of that 50 foot space he had the freedom to do so

@humphreyobanor866

2 жыл бұрын

@@partydean17 stop trying to twist the Gospel to fit your narrative. There are times when Jesus gathered women also, and sometimes mutitudes

@partydean17

2 жыл бұрын

@@humphreyobanor866 not twisting it. Using the same logic you used in your comment

@humphreyobanor866

2 жыл бұрын

@@partydean17 alright, so what do you suggest the Church should do?

@partydean17

2 жыл бұрын

@@humphreyobanor866 first things first. Understand that argument through exclusion is a fallacy. My eating chik FIL a every Friday does not mean I would not prefer other foods. If someone told others what I preferred based on this limited information they would be incorrect and making huge jumps in reasoning. Second, weight the consequences that might have occured from the fallacy we've been preaching for thousands of years. Is it possible that even tho equality was told to be present, people still looked at the inability for women pastorial responsibility to be tied by a lacking of their ability? Since men have no limitations in terms of offices they can hold some might see it as they have more leadership capabilities. This can lean over into other aspects of life in a negative way. Let's atleast see the possibility this could be damaging to some women's self perception of their ability to do things. Now from there ask, do we want to risk these cultural and psychological impacts based on this poor reasoning through exclusion? If you answer yes then you continue on. If you answer no, then we push this line of reasoning to the bishops.

Good morning Father

Thank you so much Father 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

This is very informative. I always wonder why there weren’t any women priests in the Catholic Church.

@ryanbasel8670

2 жыл бұрын

@Skelley did you watch the video? (edit: he deleted the comment. he said “because it’s unbiblical”)

@ryanbasel8670

2 жыл бұрын

@@FAMA-18 Well put. I completely agree, it was the person I was responding to who was in opposition.

@FAMA-18

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanbasel8670 I’m sorry ..🙏 I’ll edit.

@FAMA-18

2 жыл бұрын

Women can’t not be ordained priest because, the man gives the seed, our Lord says the word is the seed when the priest gives you the Mass he’s giving you the seed the word of our Lord the word of life. Who was the blessed Mother, the blessed Mother she received the seed. The woman receives the seed and she nourishes it foresters it brings to life and gives it love and educates it, it all happened at the foot of the Cross.

@AandM8

14 күн бұрын

@@FAMA-18so are seminarians fertility tested before being ordained?

ST. THOMAS AQUINAS: “As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power. The active power in the male is intended to produce a perfect image of itself, a masculine sex. When a female results it is either because of a weakness in this active power or because of some indisposition of the materials, or even from a change produced by an outside factor - for example, from south winds, which are humid.”

Thank you Father

Well 'splained. Thanks!

Excellent video. Just a thought, didn't Paul layout specific functions for men, women, Elders, Priests in the order of celebrations and The Love Feast. From which the modern Mass is descendent? Even protestants seem to put their services in the same order as Paul described. Also, didn't Paul give specific qualifications for the different offices of local Churches and their duties??

I love this channel!

It's an all male club of power and dominance

Very eloquent explanation that I'm starting to understand as I become a Catholic.

Thanks!

Absolutely awesome explanation ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥 Reference: ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS: John Paul II Vatican document1994 clarifying the issue definitely (additional reading).

Good morning

When the apostles drew lots to replace Judas Iscariot, they prayed to the Holy Spirit and chose Matthias, another man.

@robertpoetprince7362

2 жыл бұрын

@Richard Fox I cannot bring myself to respond to such nonsense.

In my feminist academic professional free years, I still realized that women had their place, men had their role, children, animals, etc. After my conversion, quite late in life, I learned I was not such a radical feminist pre-God. If I believed each creature had a particular role back then, can you imagine now? Women should not be ordained nor be Eucharistic ministers. I think feminist movement has left a malignancy that needs to be excised and purified like a giant polynital cyst (spelled that wrong). If one has ever had one of those cysts, you will know the extent of cutting, ripping, smell of rot, cleaning and healing to newness. Boy does it hurt…but it’s worth it. We are givers of life and we uplift. Our silence speaks louder. There is a very old saying in Spanish: “calladita me veo más bonita!”

Outside of Catholicism, it is interesting how other Christians deal with this dilemma. Most Protestants simply refer to St. Paul’s teaching about how “women should be silent in the assembly”…”not put in authority over men” etc. Others dismiss this as merely a reference to the culture at the time and not binding in modern times. So much for “Sola Scriptura.” As a conservative high church Anglican, I was taught that the priest is “The Icon of Christ” in consecrating the Eucharist. I think this comes more from Eastern theology, one of our old bishops really wanted to see the Anglican, Catholic, and Orthodox churches come back together to full communion. It is interesting how this issue has divided Anglicanism. My “church body” almost split over this issue but ultimately let the choice be up to individual bishops. I feel that this, along with traditional teachings on sexual morality, are some of the main points that keep Anglicans and Catholics from coming to full communion. But there are many other issues. The main problem with Protestantism in general and Anglicanism in particular is that the doctrine is much “looser” and it is tremendously difficult for us to come to agreement on anything within our own church body/“ecclesial community”/denomination which is generally a prerequisite for establishing points of agreement with other churches, especially the Catholic Church, which tends to have rather well defined doctrines on a variety of subjects. Definitely a problem with a lack of any sort of “living voice of authority.”

Some scholars believe Phoebe was responsible for delivering Paul's epistle to the Roman Christian church. Phoebe is the only woman named as deacon in the Bible. there any deaconess in the Bible? Paul's earliest mention of a woman as deacon is in his Letter to the Romans 16:1 (AD 58) where he says: "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is the servant of the church at Cenchreae". The original Greek says: οὖσαν διάκονον, ousan diakonon, being [the] [female] servant of the church at Cenchreae. Interesting the first to see Christ after he had risen was Mary M. Mary M. was there to anoint and prepare his body for burial The apostles were asleep Peter Denys Christ & gets called out for his behavior more than one in scriptures Women didn’t in scriptures In addition--Saint Bridget of Ireland was written in traditional archives as being A Bishop

Why doesn't the church ordain women priests or allow priests to marry? Because it creates divided loyalties, divided energies, and divided affections. Priests need to devote their whole loyalty, energy, and affection to their calling. Priests move from parish to parish, and that would be hard on a family. Back in the day--that day being not so long ago--travel was considered unsafe for children. Where you had women, you had children. The women could end up on the road with children and no resources if their husband died. No way for that to end well. We can trust Rome to know what's best, in the end.

@dwightschrute900

2 жыл бұрын

The Married issue is a whole different topic on itself. The Eastern Church have Men married before hand, who are able to be ordained. Rome used too and should

As a counter argument for scripture not being more explicit in favor of the ordination of women one can say that the gospel were written by men after the death of Jesus. So they do reflect the prejudice of the that time, and portray Jesus interaction with men and women according to that costumes.

His choices ie bread and wine, the body of a middle eastern Jew, are not at the exclusion of others. Nicely put Fr. Pine. 🙂

Women “priest” undermines the fatherhood of God the Father. Priest should act as communities spiritual father.

Our priest traveled to Rome to purchase very expensive material to make his vestments. And why do priests wear so much lace. Someone said it look like he's wearing his grandmother's table cloth.

Very good I agre

Padre, thank you for taking the time to address this important question. It has been rewarding listening. However, I wonder whether a short, concise treatment of this topic wouldn't be a bit more useful. You've given us (the laity who wish to understand and defend the orthodox doctrine) a theological 'nuke', when we might much more easily make use of a 'slingshot'. I'd be very interested in a follow-up video which covered, say, the 'three key reasons' only men can be priests, with brief argumentation for each point. God bless.

@susanmaris729

2 жыл бұрын

So far, I have got people to listen when I ask why Jesus would ordain only men, when Mary of Nazareth and Mary of Magdala were also in the house. Be cause He wanted it that way ? If not them, then who ? God does not make mistakes...or pander to current fashion.

@1234poppycat

Жыл бұрын

A decree of Vatican II Apostolican Actuositatem 9 "It is very important that they [women] participate more widely also in the various fields of the Churches Apostate "" The Words of Pope John Paul II were not spoken "in Cathedra "

I understand the Catholic position, but I don’t agree with it. Mary Magdalene was the first person to proclaim the resurrection to the apostles. Paul writes that in Gods kingdom, through Christ, there is no longer male or female, Jew or gentile. All of the apostles were Jews, and we of course do not require men being Jewish to be priests. Acting and serving in the person of Christ is not dependent on one’s sex.

@mpkropf5062

10 ай бұрын

If you don’t agree with the church then you don’t agree with Jesus! For Jesus put the Priesthood in place! Women need to get over themselves and start living in submission like ST Paul taught.

How could a woman be a Father?

The Pontifical Biblical Commission issued a report in 1975 which decided there are no biblical reasons against the ordination Tell us when Jesus ordained the Apostles? You don't do it because you can't. As well, there are clearly female church leaders in the NT. In the early church, some church officials complain that they hear of women presiding at the altar. Face it, this means that some women were saying Mass and some church official didn't like it.

Christ chose what He chose !!! If this is Catholic Church Teaching, IT IS ..... We can Question it, however, IT still IS !!!!

If we understand how many aspect of NT have their roots from OT, we know that priesthood back then are chosen specifically for Levites men. The Apostles understand this that's why they also choose men for deacon and bishop.

I was ordained in Durham Cathedral in 1995. I never wanted this for myself, I responded in humble obedience (as I understood it then) to the call of my Church. Miriam, sister of Moses and Aaron, opened her lips to lead God's people in praise and Thanksgiving. Her words, along with those of Hannah (mother of Samuel) and Mary (mother of Jesus) contribute to bedrock of Church liturgy. Mary (sister of Martha) sat at the feet of Jesus to learn and Jesus commended her for this. Coming close to learn is the definition of discipleship. Martha (sister of Mary) served. We may remember her only for her grumbling ( who has never grumbled?), but she served and witnessed boldly to the faith (death of her brother Lazarus). Service is at the heart of the ordained deaconate. Mary Magdalene was the first to witness the resurrection and was sent by Christ to witness to the disciples. Being sent to proclaim is the definition of being an apostle. She is honored as the Apostle to the Disciples in the Eastern Church. Holy Mary, Mother of God, allowed her own body to become the ground or the bringing forth of Christ into the world, mingling her blood, her genetic material with his, experiencing his suffering more intimately than anyone else ever could. Yes, the NT names 12 men as the chosen disciples... 12 Jewish men by the way. Yes the book of cts recounts how the early Church struggled with the Jewish/Gentile issue and (guided by the Spirit of Pentacost) came down in favor of broadening the tent to include believers of all languages and nations. Jesus sent the Gold standard when he met the Syro Phoenician woman. If a person bows, in humility, to the transcendence of God's purposes, to the specificity of His Holy choices (as the woman did by accepting to be labeled a dog) and yet still believes in God's Goodness and in the 'prodigality of his generous love, then that person is justified. I firmly believe that the priesthood of women is scriptural and in line with the Holy Spirit. But I have very sadly relinquished my orders and left aside any public ministry. I no longer believe that women should ve ordained priest. Not because it is against God's purposes. I firmly believe it is not. It is wrong in this present cultural climate because of the way Women's ordination is used to further the LGBTetc agenda.

When Jesus said "Follow me" he meant just that, not to address problems with solutions born of our flawed and disobedient egos - case closed

The best direction, I believe, comes from our Lord’s commands of sacrifice and love. Each of us must sacrifice ourselves and love one another. No exceptions, substitutions, or alterations. To that end we can see how God has structured each of us to that exact purpose. The most obvious difference is that women grow children within their bodies, which men cannot; this will ever change. So, a woman’s purpose is to sacrifice herself to motherhood and to love her children and family with every fiber of her being. I think God made this intentionally very obvious for us, that we would understand the performance of certain actions are to be fundamental, foundational. Men are built incredibly strong, physically resilient, and highly focused. Women will never be as strong or mentally focused as men, and this will never change. Therefore, a man’s fundamental purpose is to sacrifice himself to fatherhood and love his family with every fiber of his being. More specifically, this sacrifice and love includes providing for his family (physically, mentally, spiritually), guarding them from harm, and (if necessary) giving his life to protect them. As men are the first, and most important, line of defense a family has between their safety/security and the world, it makes sense that a wife subordinate her will to his and to follow his lead. Remember, husbands are the first to risk life and limb for their families along with being their primary providers. That’s a really big job! To do it well he must have the cooperation of is family, to know their wives are caring for their children and the resources he is sacrificing himself to gain for them. For women, having and raising a family is a very big job! In order for wives/mothers to successfully perform their fundamental responsibilities they need to know their family’s safety, security, resources, and spiritual/intellectual guidance will be reliably provided by their husbands. If men and women had to do everything and be everything a family needed neither would be successful and the family would greatly suffer (or fail completely). We know this is true by the state of “families” today. And all of this is why only men are priests and only women are nuns. A man’s purpose is to sacrifice his life for his family (the church), to give them his entire focus and intellect, and to love them with every fiber of his being. Women can and do have children of their own, which, if they were to be priests, would split their focus and responsibilities between their physical and religious families as well as unnaturally alter their innate purpose - to sacrifice themselves to physical motherhood and a physical family. Women are meant to grow and nurture families that men are meant to protect and serve. The natural purposes of men and women in physical families also lend themselves just as well to spiritual families. Whenever we, through pride or envy, try to change the fundamental purposes of men and women it never turns out well for anyone. Not ever. Going against our natural, inherent, God-given purpose is ALWAYS a failing on our part. It’s selfish, not loving. It’s egotistical, not self sacrificing. It is sinful, not virtuous. When we strive to be great - great men and fathers, great women and mothers - our lives find joy, fulfillment, and happiness. We know this is true, too, in the multitude of virtuous families (both religious and/or physical) living their lives as God commands.

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

The priest is someone that offers a brutal sacrifice. Woman natural role was to give life and not to take it away. This comes from Jewish traditions the brutal role of the men was not adequate to the natural role for women.

@vesper9198

2 жыл бұрын

@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro do the priests (men) take lives away?

@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro

2 жыл бұрын

@@vesper9198 In the old covenant yes: birds, calfs lambs, etc. In the new covenant they offer a life (actually Life itself), that is why they offer Christ blood to the father.

@justiniand6a788

2 жыл бұрын

Men can be nuns... they're called monks and friars.

While I can not say I am convinced by the propositions or ultimate conclusion put forward by Fr Pine, I do respect the sensitive way he addresses them. Peace and love in Jesus Christ.

A decree of Vatican II Apostolican Actuositatem 9 "It is very important that they [women] participate more widely also in the various fields of the Churches Apostate "" The Words of Pope John Paul II were not spoken "in Cathedra " Some say we point to the bible -- only men were chosen to be the Apostles (7 minutes) .. Reading the bible you could make a better case for the continuance of slaves -- numerous times slaves were not only told not to escape but to serve their masters well ...

There seems to be a huge issue left conveniently unaddressed here. Of course Christ himself was not limited by the mores and customs of the time, and thus could have chosen women as ministers had he wished. However, he did realise that we humans can be slaves to custom. He would therefore have realised that having women as ministers would not be acceptable to people of the time and that they would not have been listened to as ministers. It would have been a waste of time. Fair enough! But today those particular constraints of custom are pretty well gone - at least in many places - thank goodness. So, it has been left unexplained why women cannot be ministers _nowadays._

MARTIN LUTHER: “Men have broad shoulders and narrow hips, and accordingly they possess intelligence. Women have narrow shoulders and broad hips. Women ought to stay at home; the way there were created indicates this for they have broad hips and a wide foundation to sit upon.”

The work "priest" in the English language indicates a male. The word "priestess" in the English language indicates a female. I have never understood why any church would assign a male term to a female. The term "woman priest" is a misnomer. Am I right?

I enjoyed your video but became distracted why the shadow of the object mounted on the wall to your left doesn't match the object.

1 Timothy 2 :11-15 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing-

Alright people enough! Stop fighting authority all the time. God loves everyone so much He shattered death. He loves you to LIFE! Sometimes He says no when we ask for things we want. He does this because sometimes the things we want aren’t the best for us. Just because we want something does not give us the right to demand it! Nor does our desire give us the right to act in defiance and take what we want against His design!

Because the apostles chosen by Jesus Christ were men.

I worship in the Anglican Communion where we've settled this issue a bit differently. I accept that the RCC hasn't been ready to make the same step, and maybe she never will. However, I would gently remind you of Galatians 3:28 where it is written: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." In Matthew 15:21-28, a gentile woman accosted Jesus with a request to deliver her daughter of a demon. Jesus handily reminded her that His mission was to the Jews: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.” Scathing! No deliverance allowed for a non-Jew! The woman replied, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.” Her humility was astonishing in the face of the Lord's apparent insult. Jesus turned and said, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” The woman's daughter was delivered that moment, even though Jesus was dead set against it only a moment before. God Himself changed His mind because He found faith in the heart of that poor supplicant. There is truly neither Jew nor Greek in the Lord. Next we should look at Paul's inspired statement the slave vs. the free. Slavery was a fact of life in ancient times, and Paul's position didn't change that fact right away. St. Peter said, “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” (1 Peter 2:18) Paul did condemn enslavers in 1 Timothy 1:10, but slavery endured as an institution for centuries, even among Christians. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that the RCC didn't fully condemn the practice of slavery until 1839 under Pope Gregory XVI (though there was a more limited papal bull from Pope Benedict XIV in 1791). It took 18 centuries for the Church to finally recognize that there is truly no slave nor free in the Lord. So, now we come to our topic today. Is there male and female in the Lord? I'm sure you will agree that there is not. You mentioned that the question women and the priesthood keeps coming up again and again. I don't think it's going to stop coming up no matter how many times the Church hierarchy says "no". Perhaps it is because the advocates are in error as you have indicated...or maybe God Himself is asking the Church to change her mind. The Virgin Mary has already been declare the Mediatrix for the Church in RC dogma, which is a priestly role. Are we all one in Christ Jesus, or not?

@GuitarBloodlines

Жыл бұрын

we are all equal in Jesus, but we are not the same, Men and Women have different roles, otherwise you open the door to "trans" priests and other evils

Jesus established this Church! Jesus..GOD with us..clearly knew this would be a question in a future time! Jesus also had a mother. who was the ONLY IMMACULATE CONCEPTION..ABSOLUTELY PURE SOUL in existence! Jesus did NOT invite HIS BLESSED MOTHER INTO THE PRIESTHOOD. WHY? "The times wouldn't have allowed it?" DON'T ME SILLY ...JESUS IS GOD!!! LY FR. PINE!

“Jesus chose men - a deliberate and intentional choice.” It is quite evident that this was a function of the social mores of the time. Without going into the nuances of John’s “descending Christology” and the other evangelists’ “ascending Christology”, we believe that Jesus was wholly man and wholly God. Once he was incarnated as human, he had ALL the physical and psychological attributes, limitations, doubts, pains and passions of human beings. If we don’t believe this, how can we believe he actually suffered on the cross? After all, as God, he was painless. And how absurd to imagine he could be tempted by the Devil? How could he vacillate at Cana (“My time has not yet come”)? How could he be beaten and “led” to Pilate? And, as someone mocked Him, why didn’t He bring Himself down from the cross? As Christians, we believe without any uncertainty that in this incarnation, he was a man, living in a particular time and culture, subject to and working within the cultural and social milieu in which he found himself. In that milieu, women were socially NOT in the business of preaching, traveling alone or in small groups, etc. They had families to look after while their fathers and husbands worked. Hence, in practical terms, they could not be preachers. Finally, Jesus did not "ordain" anyone at all. He simply called them (men, because of the cultural ambience), and they responded. It was well after his lifetime that the Apostles "laid hands" on their successors, a rite we now call "ordination. Some of the other “basic” arguments presented also hold no water. Why did he use unleavened bread and wine (and not millet or rice)? Because he was celebrating the Passover, a sacred Jewish festival, a tradition and a cultural and social milieu of which, once again, Jesus was part - and in that tradition, they used bread and wine. If we don’t accept this essential and complete “humanness of Jesus”, we run into the opposite problem. You argue that, as God, Jesus “has divine knowledge, beatific knowledge. He’s situated but not limited” in his time and culture. Our Lord, you say, was not a prisoner of the customs and mores of his time. If this is the assumption, how come Jesus, who (as God) KNEW that this faith would soon have the largest number of followers - all around the world - choose as his apostles ONLY Jews, many of whom were illiterate? How come NONE of his apostles was a Roman, or a blond, blue-eyed Caucasian? How come none of the first apostles was African, none Indian, none Chinese, none Turkish, none Anglo-Saxon, none Hispanic? So, should the priesthood have been restricted to those from West Asia only? Or restricted to illiterate fishermen? Would it be justified - or even logical - to have such a restriction “received and interpreted in the Church’s tradition as intentional and deliberate on the part of Jesus”, and considered as “transmissible”, something that “ought to be done”? It was the same Thomas Aquinas, who has been quoted here, who showed us to distinguish between “accidentals” and “essentials”. As long as the Church holds on to this pure patriarchal and male-power contention of gender being an “essential” of priesthood rather than the “accidental” it so clearly is, it will continue to lose credibility on this issue.

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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:42 🧐 The video discusses the ordination of women in the Catholic Church, a topic that has been debated for decades. 01:09 🗣️ Proponents of women's ordination argue that women should be allowed to become priests, deacons, and bishops, citing feminist critiques and the need for greater inclusivity and justice. 03:05 📊 Some arguments for women's ordination are pragmatic, such as addressing the vocation crisis and concerns about clerical abuse. 04:42 🙌 To counter these arguments, it's crucial to start by affirming the dignity and equality of women. Men and women share the image of God and have equal status in the human community. 06:34 🙏 Jesus intentionally chose men for the ordained ministry, and this choice is rooted in Scripture and tradition. This choice is deliberate and not influenced by cultural norms. 10:27 ✨ Theological reasons that support this choice include the "scandal of particularity," where God's differentiated gifts manifest His glory in various ways, and the iconic meaning of men as priests in persona Christi. These theological reasons are arguments of fittingness but not strict proofs.

Can someone summarize in bullet points the specific reasons why it is not allowed. I would like to have an easy-to-remember and accurate response when faced with people who push the idea of women priests as being acceptable.

@xtraordinairartist9469

Жыл бұрын

Christ never chose women to be one of the 13 apostles or 72 disciples. Women were followers and supported Jesus ministry, but did not have an ordained lesser ecclesiastical ministry, even to "wait on tables"- Acts 6 2 The liturgical priesthood is male because it stands in "persona Christi" for Christ offering his sacrificial offering for the expiation of sins. Gender has meaning. The pagan nations surrounding Israel had female priests and worshipped with temple prostitution and offered their babies to the demon God Moloch. Women protestant ministers are sexually immoral LGBT friendly, abortion supporters across the board. You will not find a woman minister being faithful to the 2000 year teaching of male only priesthood or moral adherence. The church cannot change what Christ has established [male priesthood] since we do not have the authority to do so. Those women who insist on being women priests ate automatically excommunicated as are those who participate in support.

ST. PAUL: “Women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “If a woman will not wear a veil, she ought to cut off her hair. A man, on the other hand, ought not to cover his head, because he is the image of God and the reflection of God’s glory.” 1 Cor 11:6-8 “A woman must learn in silence and be completely submissive. I do not permit a woman to act as teacher, or in any way to have authority over a man; she must be quiet.” 1st Tim 2:11-12

Father, you really need to listen to a Video by Bishop F Sheen on why women can not be priest! His reason spoke to me and made complete scents to me. Your reasons felt more like a sign off the times and open to different interpretations. Dangerous to the third

Why must the Ministerial priesthood be open to everyone??

At first glance I thought that was Ralph Martin in the thumbnail 😆

since the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Church has no authority to confer the sacrament on those who are unable to represent the male Jesus Christ. Also the priesthood follow the line of Melchizedek the first priest .....who was male . God endowed men and women with different roles and since He appointed Melchizedek ( a male) ...the priesthood was therefore reserved for males . He could very well have appointed a woman as the first priest but He didn't .

Did I miss any references to the clear Scriptures (mainly by St. Paul) that simply disallow women as pastors or authoritative positions over men in the church?

A good point that I believe Peter Kreeft made on this debate is that given that there are 3 possibilities for any priesthood: 1. An all male priesthood 2. An all female priesthood 3. A mixed gender priesthood Given that the priesthood is something that God instituted he’s allowed a preference for one option over the others; which is something the advocates for a female priesthood never seem to take into account.

@mpkropf5062

10 ай бұрын

Jesus didn’t authorize a female priesthood and a woman would never have the power in confession! It’s the devil trying to tell the people that women can be Priests!

I love PWA because you’re not gonna find some wishywashy weak answer. You’re gonna get the truth

In a Y: The Last Man scenario, or a similar scenario where no men are left alive in a large community, what would be the appropriate response?

@tintinismybelgian

2 жыл бұрын

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 And if it's literally a Y: The Last Man scenario, should the world wait either for that last man to convert to Catholicism and become a priest or wait for him to produce a son who can grow up and take the vow of celibacy and become a priest?

@RiNickolous

2 жыл бұрын

@@tintinismybelgian You need to be ordained by a bishop to become a priest, so if there aren't any bishops then the priesthood ceases to exsit.

@tintinismybelgian

2 жыл бұрын

@@RiNickolous Thanks for the clarification to my silly question. (I'm not Catholic, but I do have curiosity about some of the rules therein.) If you have time, perhaps, could you answer another silly question? If extra-terrestrials existed and were evangelized to become Catholics, would they be eligible to join the priesthood if they had no male gender in their species?

@RiNickolous

2 жыл бұрын

@@tintinismybelgian The answer depends on a lot of specifics. Are the extraterrestrials human in essence? Are they somehow descended from Adam? Are they Fallen? Did God redeem them in the same way He did us? All this has to be answered *before* we even consider the priesthood for such creatures.

@tintinismybelgian

2 жыл бұрын

@@RiNickolous Let's assume yes, no, yes, and yes, and let's assume that they are as genuine in their faith in Christ as any human is able to be.

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When certain long standing "traditions" even magisterial traditions are found to be woefully inadequate, outdated or harmful to a huge segment of society, why keep them?

@allenlasher2312

10 ай бұрын

Assuming the tradition of male-only ordination is what you're referring to, how is this woefully inadequate, outdated, or harmful to society?

Have any of you guys participated in the synod process Pope Francis is promoting right now? My experience wasn’t great

@spiffygonzales5899

2 жыл бұрын

Protestant here, what the heck is the synod?

@michaelibach9063

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiffygonzales5899 basically it’s where Catholicism, the true faith, becomes Protestant heresy

@spiffygonzales5899

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 Keep in mind man, from my view Catholics are heretics. You've gotta explain that better.

@michaelibach9063

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiffygonzales5899 then maybe you should question your point of view. It’s the rebellion against sound doctrine, which has been taught for hundreds of years by Catholicism and has been blessed by the fruit of the Saints. It’s where the uninformed masses decide for themselves what is good and what is evil and usurp Gods will. It’s where Christianity becomes a democracy instead of being a monarchy. Where the will of the people overrides the will of God. It’s basically what Protestants have been doing for 500 years.

Pope St. John Paul II said no one should even be discussing this. Cardinal Ragzinger said that was practically speaking the same as infallible. So why does Father so and so have a u tube video about it?

Our Lord GOD Jesus Christ choose 12 “men” disciples this should be enough. Priesthood is emulating the life of Jesus why would we defy him by not following in his footsteps? His apostles did the same gave the priesthood to men why would you change it?

Joyce Meyer just made a statement on Facebook that's strongly in disagreement with you! This was for International Women's Day!

@mpkropf5062

10 ай бұрын

She’s a false prophet

Part of the reason is that for the most part the main characters in The Bible are male who lived in the near east or further east. Most of the customs there and leaders in government there are pretty strict about the roles for gender. People try to respect the history in that even though Christianity spread throughout the West. Those who include womens as leaders in the church are just Westernizing what comes from more Easterly geographical areas. Speaking of the bread, millet and the food even Chinese food in the west has been said to be Westernized and is not exactly the same as what you get in China. If anything is missed or lost in not having any women as leaders in the Catholic church over time I'm sure it will hurt no one as no one will know what is missing. Also, it rocks the boat less.

The basic argument in this video is that God is wise and knowledgeable and he said so. If God said so we must follow. What? Father are you kidding or you think people are stupid.

It's interesting when people try to claim that Jesus didn't ordain women because of the social norms of the day. But we know he was an iconoclast unafraid to challenge institutions, and we know female priests already existed at the time, like the Vestal Virgins and Oracles at Delphi. In 1 Timothy 2:12 Jesus even cites scriptural authority, which is significant since he normally relies entirely on his own authority. This is a bona fide dogma.

@christopherpape4823

2 жыл бұрын

Good points. Thanks for sharing.

@michaelibach9063

2 жыл бұрын

Pagan priestesses, not Jewish or Christian

Go directly to the canon or biblical thing.

"Jesus chose men for the ministry." OK, understand that. Though at no point does Fr Gregory try to explain or understand why Jesus only chose men for the ministry. Indeed, did Jesus ever answer the question? One of the main failings of the Catholic church is the ability to understand and explain basic concepts like this and not just take everything at face value.

@Milkpaw

2 жыл бұрын

Those would be the "fittingness" arguments that Fr. Gregory doesn't get into. Others certainly have, as he alludes to, and let me encourage you to seek out these other voices. I think you're right that it would be good if he did it follow up video elaborating the fittingness of Our Lord's decision, though.

Excuse me what about Mary magdalene?? She was with Jesus always and she was even sent with Jesus so was she his servant no but she was a prophet . Catholic have hidden a lot I used to be a nun and I left nun hood as things were not adding up . The authoritative hierarchy has made women not to question yes we had early women priest and we getting doctrine to prove this

What ELSE could possibly go wrong with women ordained? I leave this as food for thought. We have our place in the Church however.....many disagree with "place" hence this constant bantering. Women are of equal dignity when we recognize our position in the world & in the Church. Petty arguments that are based on ego & pride are unconvincing. "Jesus chose men for the ministry." No disrespect to women even though so many need a loftier place. Women ordained will be the end of the Holy Church. Sadly those holy females in our history don't suffice for feminists. They're more than enough for this woman. Never enough for others conflicted with their faith.

And what’s wrong with becoming a nun only, don’t forget that most Saints we’re nuns, and remember Jesus could have ask the pope to bring his message of Divine Mercy to the world but instead he asked Saint Faustina the nun, and also Mother Mary asked the 3 children in Fatima to deliver the message. I rather focus on Jesus and get closer to him than focus on some title. Don’t let the devil confuse you of what needs to be change. God already put everything in order, respect, obey, repent and follow it. If you need an answer pray about it and have faith in God, and let our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and our Mother Mary guide you. The title alone as a priest, bishop, monks and pope, nun and so forth is important but if you disrespected and use it wrong, it will not going to save your soul. Serve him with whomever you are that he chose you to be with love, faith, honest, suffering etc etc is what matters.

The difficulty with this argument is that it suggests that if the Church now decides to ordain women, then that will be correct and we will receive that “downstream”. I think the roles of men and women in the Church and the meaning of the Mass needs to be explored to make the argument that needs to be made.

For more clarity, a great speech by the great Peter Kreeft: Women and the Priesthood - Why "only boys can be the daddies": kzread.info/dash/bejne/fImJmI9yfqfaks4.html

Anyone saying "it's just tradition"....has forgotten, never knew, or does NOT believe Who Jesus IS! Jesus in His body was and remains God With Us! Ergo Jesus/God was not capable of making a Mistaken "tradition" to be corrected in the future! If you don't grasp that fact you..male or female..have no business on any altar!!!

In addition within the canon laws it is written that their are 2 priesthood’s 1. The sacramental 2. The Baptismal Priesthood -which this one all the baptized of the faith whether male or female has been initiated into since the infancy of their holy lives 💜-Ecclesiastical understanding of all of our duties as “holy lay baptismal citizens of the Church” theres no language that says citizens, but it’s nice to think of it like that since being Roman Catholic -means we’ve had this faith since closed to our births 💜

They have no seed so they can’t sow the word, they should not be anywhere near the altar!

Still haven't heard from the Women's Ordination movement a solid overcoming of 1 Tim:2 "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent."

General comment relative to comments regarding Pope Francis. It is long past time for Catholics to stop bashing the Pope. You do not have to like him nor agree with every thing he has said or done since he has not spoken ex cathedra. But, for love of the Church, stop being disrespectful. One can disagree respectfully. However, commenters on PWA videos as with most Catholic social media fare, are far too comfortable with snide remarks and outright calumny. We are only hurting ourselves. Disagreement is healthy when done in respectful dialogue.

You can assume that Jesus was not limited in his knowledge and perspective, but the community he was founding certainly was. Jesus may well have chosen men only because it's what the church at the time could accept and handle. Even Jesus' assumed divinity doesn't overcome human historical conditions. (This is similar to how Paul doesn't come right out and condemn all slavery.) Let me paraphrase Jesus' teaching on divorce: It was only because of the hardness of men's hearts-their biased ideas about women and what they could do or be-that Jesus singled out men for his first apostles. But the ideal is "male and female God created them" in the Divine image.

No offense to Fr. Gregory... I came to this video after seeing Bp Sheen's video on the same subject. I preferred his response. He used the truth of the Christ the bridegroom and the Church the bride. Christ who gives the seed of life and the Church as the bride who receives the word/seed and this is nothing to do the inferiority or superiority of Men or Women.