When comparing different brands, you'll get a more accurate comparison if you match the pigment names (ie. PB27, PBr7, PR254, etc.), as opposed to the color names (ie. Prussian Blue, Burnt Sienna, Pyrrol Red, etc.); that said, I found it very helpful to see how the paints spread and dried in relation to one another. Thanks for sharing!

@phillipstroll7385

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know about all that because the same pigments can give an extremely wide range of colors.

Use needle nose pliers, squeeze hinges, and bend lid hinge point to 90°....your lid is now fixed

Quick comment: MG greens are designed for landscape painters I believe.. being one.. they're much more natural.

@susananncherrysetter3902

6 жыл бұрын

exactly what I was thinking!

@jaimeanderson9238

5 жыл бұрын

That's why i love them. I dislike bright, unrealistic greens.

Thank you, this is so helpful!

A great review, thank you!

Test by pigment number not name.

@phillipstroll7385

3 жыл бұрын

Why? The same pigment can have an extremely wide range of colors.

You got the red in your blue from the paper in your hand...try using viva folded or a sponge so you can see what you are doing. MGraham and Holbein are pretty smooth non granulating paints_designed that way for even colour. It would help if you mentioned the pigment numbers because art manufacturers names are all over the place.

@watercolorswithmichael

6 жыл бұрын

I'll try to get pigment numbers in my next review

Great video Michael! Made me really appreciate my WN paints more, as I started with Daniel Smith and was a bit miffed that my local art store doesn't carry it in-store. Especially my Winsor Violet, such a beautiful colour! I agree with the comment down further, colour nerds all the way. I'm still learning but my god, I'm loving every second of it.

Great comparison, enjoyed your take on both companies. Thanks

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Do you know how m. graham's azo yellow compares to WN's lemon yellow, m. grahams's naphthol red to WN's venetion red, and m.graham's manganese blue to WN's cobalt blue? I have a set of m. graham's but am trying to use them in a class that uses WN paints. Enjoyed your video!

I enjoyed watching but found it a little frustrating because paint brands with similar colors or color names can be miles apart in appearance. Even the same pigments can be a bit warmer or cooler in the scale. .But its still more fair to only compare pigment to pigment. One pigment can be very intense where other pigments are naturally mellow. Just look at the Pigment number on the tube. Some pigments might look close in color but the saturation is totally miles apart. W&N Paynes Gray has phthalo blue in it and thats why its cooler. The M Graham Permanent Alizarin Crimson is the exact pigment as Winser Red deep. ;-) The W&N pink Quinacridones. BTW they are not synthetic pigments. Blessings.

@opal77

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed even an apple to apple comparison can yield very different results, and there are some pigments that are extremely dynamic, like PV19. Both beta quinacridone and gamma quinacridone are listed under the same Color index name, gamma quinacridone ranging from cool red to cooler rose shade, and beta quinacridone being both lower in chroma and cooler than the rose shades of gamma quinacridone. Don't even get me started on the cadmiums, and iron oxides which can have hue adjusted at will by the manufacturer. Imagine what a mess it would be if we had to rely on brand names alone though haha. And even without such large distinctions, pigment particle size, and paint composition, including brighteners will change hue and chroma of the finished product. Still, I'm glad such variation exists, not every artist works the same, and brand attributes can fit a specific niche. For example maimeriblu tends to mill their paints mostly to a uniform smooth consistency, so many of them lack, or have lower granulation, even when the paint is known to granulate. They are often quite chromatic, and have more dispersant in the paint formulation, so they are often active wet in wet. Meanwhile Utrecht can be the exact opposite, opting for little to no brightener or filler, and being often very inert wet in wet, and nonstaining compared to other brands. I like diffusion quite a lot, so I look for that in paints. Some paints might be preferable staining, if you are more enthusiastic about glazing and working in layers. Regardless, I can understand the frustration... most artists aren't rich and we can't afford to try every single brand. That's why it's good that different youtubers and bloggers review different brands, you are able to, to an extent, compare without having to buy every paint on the market. I just wish cameras were better at picking up closer to life hue, chroma and value. You can go to the paint website, and 10 different swatch blogs or stores, and the scanned paint will look different in every single one.

I found this site for the 1st time and watched your review and found it fun. I was surprised that you found Winser & Newton a better sap green because most painters think its too bright and zingy to call itself a sap green. Sap green is a green that traditionally leans toward the warmer muted earthy side of the leaves in Autumn. W&N Sap green is simply lovely but it is more of a spring green. Olive green is just the most off muted greens of all.

thanks for sharing this information....

From 16:56 onwards, all the "positive" comparisons are for those which are still obviously wet, against those that are already dry. Not a very fair way to compare. :-S

Dr. Otto uses controlled mass tones and varying levels of gradation for individual brands, pigments, and applications. Check her out she rocks.

IFantastica application Much as gracias

just found u. im a min in and hooked.

Where do you put the lighting ? Not behind your head, haha. The videos are clear enough mate. Cheers, keep on truckin' .

Handsome man! Watched your painting a lot and only saw your hands 😄 Windsor and Newton seems to have the greatest even color range with colors being evenly spaced around the ideal color wheel. There phthalo blue green is one of the greenest with the red shade way toward red. M Graham’s are both more red. I love M Graham too. I have mostly M Graham. Pigment load and quality are unbeatable, lightfast plus made in the USA. I’m glad I didn’t get the Meedan palette. Price was right but I was worried about quality. I got a Lukas 1842 palette full of 12 half pans for $31. Paints are fine and pan is great!

M.graham makes the only viridian I use. And i like their sap green. Florals/ gardens are my wheel house. That's why i am trying new subject matter...lol

Your lighting looks kinda yellow rather than white.

I love this video, so interesting, i love mGraham more, W&N are so expensive here in Sweden

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I love M.Graham paints too.

Wish you had tested Winsor violet against M Grahams dioxazine violet because they both use the same pigment. The colors would have been much more similar.

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

If I were to re-do this comparison, I'd do it all based upon pigment numbers instead of names. The only other issue is that I can only compare colors that I have on hand

I do landscapes so I look for very natural color vs. wild, vivid unicorn fantasy paintings. That’s neither right or wrong but your demonstration shows me that if I painted fantasy art or lots of flowers I’d want the WN. As it is I can tell I’m better off with M. Graham.

I'd suggest finding a way to attach paper or something to your lights just so it dilutes the harshness.

@watercolorswithmichael

7 жыл бұрын

thank you, thats good advice. I hadn't actually thought of that.

I appreciated that comparison. I was amazed at how much more I liked Winsor Newton's palette!! I started with them but so many on KZread "rave" about Graham...you saved me money!! I may add a couple of tube colors but I'm not making a palette.. I wish Daniel & Smith would donate colors so you could do comparison against Winsome Newton. Thank you VERY much, Nancy

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

you're welcome

Back again..lol..have started using bigger brushes...painting along with you tuber Liron...from Israel. He uses larger brushes than i used to use and am enjoying it. But...i have a real problem with not happy when i know i am misusing my brushes..so i have gone to myjelo mission paint palette with larger tilted paint trays...i love the 33 palett and my large ceramic mixing tray. Happy painting..will be searching thru to see what updates you have with m.graham.

@watercolorswithmichael

3 жыл бұрын

Its hard using really big brushes, but the more you do it, the more you can control them.

In my opinion in the absence of pigment code, the Sap Green of MG is more on a normal Sap Green color.

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

Since this video, I've gone back to add pigment colors to all my color charts. Sap Green from M. Graham is probably my least favorite color. Its pretty opaque, and doesn't mix as well as other colors as Id Like.

@LindsayKitson

4 жыл бұрын

@@watercolorswithmichael sap green is a convenience mix of multiple pigments, and those do tend to be unpredictable in mixes.

You're right that W&N is brighter, but what I don't like about them is their inability to mix and incorporate well with other colors on my paper. Not all of them have that issue, but most did (on my 12 color student grade palette). Of course the professional ones may react differently, but the only diff is that it has more pigments, and I'm not certain that would help the colors spread and/or blend better.

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

With a higher grade paint, they should flow better on your paper, the color mixing could still be an issue

I never get tired of watching watercolor sets get swatched out- are we color nerds? lol who cares? :) it was very interesting to see the greens in the MG behave- very dull and lifeless compared to the W&N paint- I would have thought it would have gone the other way- The only kind I own is that big 34 pan set of the cottman- and they are very drab compared to my daniel smiths or QOR paints- So I guess I was expecting the same thing from the WN set- nice surprise to see them act so nicely- the sap green made me happy- and I am probably going to make a few lists from this comparison video to add some new tubes to my collections- thanks for doing this- totally enjoyed it

@karenfrazier1316

7 жыл бұрын

I have used both wn and m graham's sap green and hooker's green. M graham's are slightly darker than wn. Like and use both

@watercolorswithmichael

7 жыл бұрын

A color nerd? Thats a fantastic term. I might appropriate that from you to use again. Glad you liked the comparison. I was a little surprised about it too.

@alextwigg4805

6 жыл бұрын

coldmountainpi

I use W&N for many years just tried M Graham which was very disappointing. The honey in the binder is nice but the pigments are very chalky and dull in comparison.

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I can understand that some M. Graham colors can look a little dull, but I have never seen, nor ever heard of M'Grahams being called chalky.

Great content, thank you, But do better and more 90 degrees lightning. Check out lighting on videos from Jay Lee painting, willowing and cat coquilette. I think at least the last two show somewhere how they put up lighting.

FYR only.....My Mineral Violet (PV 16) in tube, which has inexplicably hardened like a stone, while the rest of the tubes remain fresh and usable, and nobody from M Graham is responding.

Some of the Winsor Newton colors have a bit of a shine to them even after they dry. I think this is because winsor newton uses more gum arabic than M Graham. The extra gum arabic will give the color more brilliance. The down side of the extra gum arabic is that when you paint wet into wet the paint doesn't spread as much. Something then to try with M Graham paints: if you want the shine add a little more gum arabic to the paint.

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

I've got some, I might give it a try to check it out. Thanks

thank you

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

A little bit of shadow but not much. Enjoyed your show anyway. Mary from Toront

M.graham are really good value which is part of the reason that they are some of my favourite watercolours. I also have sennelier which also use honey, they are more subtle than m.graham and have more of a glow. That being said i'm very happy with both but will probably be buying M.graham as Sennelier is even harder to get and Winsor and Newton are much too expensive.

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

I've really been happy with my M. Graham. I keep trying others, but return to them because they are just so nice

Loved your review, I have WN - tubes and the same 24 pan set. Have used WN for over 30 years now - just love them. Winsor Blue / Winsor green are the Phthalos they do a red and green shade of the blue and a yellow and blue shade of the green I believe. Viridian is dodgy in the pan set, mine was like trying to get colour out of a stone for ages, It did get better over time, I placed a few drops of diluted glycerine into the wet divit of the partially used pan, allowing it to penetrate - that seems to have helped prevent it going rock hard again - but now I use it direct from the tube when required and don't refill that pan. I think genuine Viridian is notoriously problematic across brands and even tube paint can have problems with separation or pigment clumping. I tend to use Viridian Hue (Cotman) a lot more than the real stuff, I find it more useful in mixes and way more vibrant.

@watercolorswithmichael

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the review. You're right. Viridian in the pan is terrible. I'll scrub at it and scrub at it and still get only a tiny bit of color. So frustrating. I've been using Holbein paints recently and viridian is much better, also I have some from M. Graham that seems to be better too.

Interesting comparison. I've used Winsor& Newton for most of my painting career, only adding Daniel Smith, a few Holbein and DaVinci in the past 10 years or so. I've toyed with the idea of acquiring some M. Graham, but after watching this comparison, I don't feel the need to as I preferred the WN version in basically all of the side by side comparisons you made. Unless the paints handle much differently when you use them in a painting, of course. I would be interested in a video by you after you've used them both in a painting discussing/comparing their handling properties.

@watercolorswithmichael

7 жыл бұрын

Oh, that could be interesting. Paint the same thing twice. Once with W&N and once with M. Graham. Then look back to see what was good and bad for each. Really great idea.

@Eirenmist

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think I've ever seen that done! Yes, that kind of comparison/demonstration would be really helpful and interesting.

When out landscape painting with w- n I have to drab down every color. W- N used to be only professional/ artist paint available here and still is but years ago I discovered dick blick and the difference in colors even if same pigment numbers. This made a simple through explaination and visual .thanks.

@watercolorswithmichael

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know why WN watercolors have to be so hard. I think I'm going to have to do some research to find out. When WN was all I used, I did the same thing, get the colors wet before you start. Thanks

@marjoriejohnson6535

3 жыл бұрын

Here i am 2 years later....my winsor newton paints pretty much sits on the shelf and m.graham stays on the table

@marjoriejohnson6535

3 жыл бұрын

By on the table ,i mean thats what i am using.

viridian green dries like a rock in several brands. I don't use it.

I took hot glue and put a line around what you are calling hole in mixing tray so that paint doesnt drip down . Problem solved.

@watercolorswithmichael

3 жыл бұрын

great tip

Cool video!! To me if i would have to sum it up somehow the w&n ones looks best suited for girly little paintings and the Graham ones looks for men. The w&n colors looked more beautiful and magical and great to be used mostly pure. The Graham ones looked more grounded and easily mixed. To illustrate a fairy tale book i would pick w&n, to do a more based on reality painting i would choose the Graham ones. I also noticed that the Graham ones had a lot more controled transition from saturation to washed out. That might be what you want or not since the accidents of more uncontrolled transitions is a nice aspect of watercolors. A mix of the more accidental w&n quality, with the pigments of the Graham ones would be amazing (for me of course)

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know about all the manly/magical stuff, but since the colors are slightly different I can see that someone might use them slightly differently. If the two react differently when making washes, I most likely comes down to the binder that is used. WN uses gum arabic (i believe), whereas M. Graham uses honey.

@catherinelevison3310

5 жыл бұрын

@Drumaier....Exactly what I thought and wrote before seeing your well stated words!

Good information; bad reflections

Looks like M.Graham are too pigmented and fine milled for their own good since the swatches are generally speaking looking very flat with not much variation and happy accidents. I guess for some applications this is what one might one, but generally speaking the randomness of watercolors is what make watercolors so attractive, and in that regard Winsor and Newton got it right.

@watercolorswithmichael

5 жыл бұрын

interesting assessment. I don't know that I agree but, i kinda see your point.

Actually looking at your colors. The olive green and the sap green on the M. Graham's are more earthy and true to what those colors should be. I am an oil painter most of the time and the Winsor Newton greens are more like a normal bright green. Olive and sap green are great greens for landscapes making the M. Grahams more true with those two. I think the Winsor Newtons are too bright and not natural earthy greens.

@watercolorswithmichael

3 жыл бұрын

I think the windsors are too bright too

Uhm. Your cam is Purring..... ;P

@watercolorswithmichael

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, it does that from time to time. I wish I could make it stop. apologies.

@joyfulldj

7 жыл бұрын

it's a sound like my cat is purring in my ear,grin. Can you mute it in a filter if you do a voice over? Just a noob on that matter....

@watercolorswithmichael

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, when I do a voice over, (if i do a voice over on a video) then I certainly mute the camera sound.

WN SAP GREEN IS SO unnatural

@watercolorswithmichael

4 жыл бұрын

I think all the sap greens are pretty unnatural. I've don't use them any more