Another great video, I really enjoy seeing different calibers. And that's some very good shooting, except for that gust of wind. lol.. Thanks for entertaining and informative videos. And wishing you and your family a wonderful holiday.

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

Thanks Joes! I really appreciate the kind feedback! Happy 4rth to you and yours too!!

Recoil doesn't look too bad. Man, that is a beautiful weapon. Im a 10 mil guy, but, only because that's what I carried as a duty weapon, fell in love with the round, and most of all, I cant afford many more calibers 😂. Seeing how the 10mm performed on "bad people" by attending a few Trooper involved shooting autopsies sealed the deal. Talk about carnage.

@triggerbarPhD

13 күн бұрын

@@Hammerback972 that’s so good to hear. There is another guy in these chats who also carried 10mm for his LEO career. Real experience doesn’t lie. For sure 10mm is awesome for so many reasons: ammo availability, regular sized guns, gun selection, gun availability, reliability by multiple vendors, on and on. This is just another option I’m playing with. Thanks for watching!!

In a 5" 1911, you can reload the 230 grain XTP to 1330 fps quite easily and the 200 grain XTP bullets can be loaded to over 1400 fps.

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Absolutely. So long as the barrel can take the elevated pressures, it’s capable of it. Normal 45 acp is only around 20 k psi and barrels are rated for 40kpsi. These loads and the ones you are talking about are approaching that psi level so it’s possible it’s just right on the margin. Hence the Rowland barrel to just add more safety to it. The Rowland case is just 45 acp, just made longer so people don’t try to run it in old 1911’s that can’t handle the pressures but the 45acp case can handle this for sure.

Keep ‘em coming. Finally got a G30 on the way. I’ll shoot it for a bit, then my plan is to get the conversion kit. I’m hoping for a compact package that edges a full size 10mm. Why, I dunno, but I like the hand loading flexibility. I hope the wind doesn’t blow me low and left from the Rowland conversion, and towards something else, lol.

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

That’s awesome Craig! I’ve been looking at something similar myself. G30 is a great package and add this to it makes it a really fun option!! LOL, gotta watch that wind!!🤣😂

Wind, yeah, it was the wind. Nice shooting there Trigger Bar. Very glad you stopped the rap song before getting carried away, lol. In all seriousness, 460 has been around for a while and still seems to be something that needs to be tinkered with, whereas 10mm seems to be well sorted out and pretty straightforeward, a plug and play where you buy the gun, buy the ammo and enjoy without needing to guess at the spring weights and ammo ogive shapes and all that. Regardless, thanks for the video and I hope you and yours enjoy a great 4th!

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

lol. Thanks Grey Beard. Yah I should have cut that part out. 🤣😂. It was a hot day too! Delirium had set in, along with the wind 🤣😂. I agree, definitely a bit more of the Wild West/wild cat feel with the Rowland. And the big benefit of 10mm over this round is how standardized it has become! Thanks again and Happy 4rth!

@greybeard277

22 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD Don't apologize for having fun my friend. I would rather see someone having fun than being uber serious and better than thou.

Starting at 0.45 and 230gr at the same velocity as 124gr 0.355 +p (1200fps). Thats definitely something

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

Definitely. It's doing a LOT of damage on that gel. No joke round for sure!

I have those same wind issues here in Montana. You're still a better shooter than Chuke!

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

hahhaaha, right? It picks these 230 grain bullets and just tosses them around. LOL. Ah we all tease Chuke about those things but I still love watching his videos as I know you do to. He is an entertainer!

It's sort of dawned on me after some time, that there's a giant hole in media content about firearms. That hole is hunting with a handgun, and doing it well. Everything is influenced by games and movies and competition and just about 99% of that stuff is black guns and 9mm and they all sound like a machine gun operating. Younger people going to gun shops are buying AR's and Glocks, not much interested in anything else. Even industry doesn't cater to handgun hunters by way of equipment. Try to find a extended eye relief handgun scope, very functional supports or portable stands for handguns. The munitions companies are basically focusing on 5.56 and 9mm and that's about it. All the great, capable cartridges with good reach are expensive and much less available (.41 mag, .44 mag, .45 Colt +p, .454 Casull, etc), and the revolvers that can handle hunting duty are over $1 grand further keeping the younger generation out. The .460 Rowland would be an excellent hunting cartridge, even the 45acp+p is more capable than people think.

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

I would love to personally get more into hand gun hunting. 460 Rowland would be great. Unfortunately my backwards state only allows revolvers for hunting. So likely my 44 mag is the way to go there. But I agree, most states only have short distance hunting (100 yards and in) due to trees and populations). Hand gun cartridges are perfect for that.

@exothermal.sprocket

22 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD .357mag is much more capable up to 100 yards than people think as well. No one blinks at a .35 caliber rifle. The 158gr .357mag Buffalo Bore from a lever action registers more power than a 150gr .30-30 muzzle. There's also loads from Grizzly up to 200gr for .357 which is the equivalent sectional density to a 290gr .44 mag. No lack of penetration up to 100yd. But the big hitters like 454 Casull can easily handle another 100 yard if the shooter can aim it. For hunting, fast followup shots isn't necessary. Single action or double action revolver would be just fine. BFR, Freedom Arms, Ruger. Taurus, S&W, Colt, Rossi.

@Hammerback972

13 күн бұрын

Good points made in that comment. My favorite handgun is a glock 40 MOS topped with a trijicon RMR, timney alpha glock trigger, few other odds and ends, but it shoots great at distance. A friend of mine who isnt great with a pistol had no problem putting rounds in a paper plate at 65 yards. I think the red dot helped him out

@exothermal.sprocket

13 күн бұрын

@@Hammerback972 You might be aware of the "real 10mm" loads and the risk with Glock unsupported chambers.

Awesome video to see! Seen Wilson Combat 460 Rowland ammo and seen the ballistics on them. Was thinking they're loaded like 45 Super-45 Super +P which is still good. Was thinking if the velocity indicates these would be easier to shoot, less recoil, than hotter loads. Worry over bullet casing not having a crimp. Maybe better to see if they shoot better out of either glocks or 1911s converted to shoot it. Wilson Combat either needs to sponsor or record a video test themselves of their ammo going through ammo dumps. It would be nice to see Underwood & BB and the 460 Rowland's website ammo themselves go through ammo dumps to see their reliability. People would use these for bears after all.

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

exactly. I don't know what is up with this round. Not sure if they seated too far or no crimp but it was causing hangups. I didn't show it but I shot 3 other ammo types to make sure something hadn't gone wrong with my gun before I noticed that lip. They all ran fine. Then I noticed the lip and showed that. Yah and 45 super is great, nothing wrong with that and the bullet performs great at these velocities. But can't have ammo that doesn't feed reliably, and it just looks off.

@craigm1954

23 күн бұрын

Maybe, it’s an ACP bullet, a sixteenth shorter case, and the mouth ends up on the major diameter of that bullet?

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

@@craigm1954 I’m sure it’s related to that but not sure why the other manufacturers can make it much smoother also with 45 acp. Better crimp?

@saintsinningsword

22 күн бұрын

Cor-bon made 460 Rowland ammo with similar ballistics. But don't think they made any new production. Would be something to compare to. I don't think even Double Tap has 460 Rowland to sell.

@saintsinningsword

22 күн бұрын

Cor-bon made 460 Rowland ammo with similar ballistics. But don't think they made any new production. Would be something to compare to. I don't think even Double Tap has 460 Rowland to sell.

These loads were closer to 45 super than full-bore 460 rowland

@triggerbarPhD

14 күн бұрын

Very true, very close, just spicy 10mm…

9:29 - 9:39 😮👍

@triggerbarPhD

15 күн бұрын

Hahaha thanks!

As deep as that bullet is seated and the heavy recoil by the time you to the bottom of the mag you are going to get some serious set-back and some dangerous pressure spikes so be careful. If the crimp isn't perfect it could be catastrophic.

@ShastaBean

22 күн бұрын

my thought, too. They look like they come pre-setback. haha It hardly looks like a crimp would even grab it, to even prevent it though...but at least might help if that ridge is causing feeding issues.

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Very true. Kind of dangerous to not crimp these rounds.

Thats a rip stomping cartridge!

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Thanks CW! It’s a fun one for sure, I’m surprised with all your experience you haven’t don’t one (or have you?)!

@cw2a

21 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD I have pushed the 45 ACP hard +p in a G21. But didnt have a need and the 10mm did all I needed.

@triggerbarPhD

21 күн бұрын

@@cw2a truth right there

I wonder if Wilson will make something for this in their Xtreme Chaos line. That bullet looks like a champ! It's like the Controlled Chaos, but the base expands some, after shedding the 4 petals (gaping damage), and doesn't over-penetrate. XTP looks to fly apart at those 1300 fps+ velocities...as much as I might like that for defense...most people don't and want that weight retained to penetrate like your 230 gr shot did. Good test. Maybe this is the same concept of 10mm loaded at .40 sw power? Why take it up 200 fps if you don't get any benefit, and is easier to shoot? Good to have options, but we're all here to see 1000 fps!!!!

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Yah absolutely. I just shot some 185 grain buffalo bore again and there was basically nothing left of the bullet at 8”. There is such a thing as too much velocity if a bullet (wonder if these would do do differently in meat or organic gel…). Yah I’m gonna have to hand load to get back there. Buffalo bore is claiming 959ft-lbs… more testing to come!!

@ShastaBean

22 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD from what I've seen, they'll disintegrate even more into those other 2 mediums. Is there a bonded bullet for this?

@triggerbarPhD

21 күн бұрын

@@ShastaBean I haven’t found one. The best is using the 240 grain XTP magnum. They were built for 454 casul and seem to do well with this. I tested them with the magnum loads video and they hold together much better because they were made for this speed.

@ShastaBean

21 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD ​ You mean those 230 gr rounds from your video earlier this week?...with ~75% weight retained? Didn't this 230 gr hold together better? Sorry if mixing things up. Did you weigh these?

@triggerbarPhD

21 күн бұрын

@@ShastaBean yes. But these were loaded much lighter loaded. When pushed more they will lose a lot more than this.

Where did you buy the holster??? I've been looking for one forever

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

www.mwtsmn.com/kydex-holsters/mwts-enforcer-os-holster

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Not sure if that link will stay. But selected a FNx 45, then chose the compensated and optics ready versions with the tlr-1 light. It works great!!(midwest tactical solutions enforcer OS optic ready level II)

Man that is a freekin Canon 😂

@triggerbarPhD

23 күн бұрын

hahahah, it's a fun one for sure! Thanks for stopping by!!

@anonymousf454

22 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD I would love to see what kind of velocity that round would pick up out of a carbine. Maybe one of those Marlin camp carbine, or a Hi Point...lol. Would be a hell of a Thumper for defending the homestead, or stalking Whitetails East of the Mississippi.

Wilson guns unaffordable

@triggerbarPhD

16 күн бұрын

their ammo isn't much better!

I definitely think that wilson messed up a little bit. It looks like they didn't change their seating depth from .45acp when they switched over the equipment to make these. 🫤 It's probably one of those friday at 4:30 things🙄 Thanks for the video! And I heard the best way to beat recoil anticipation is to shoot 500 Bushwhacker 600grs

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

Hahahahaha. Yah that will cure me! Also break my wrists. 🤣😂. Yah those don’t look right do they? Do you think they just didn’t crimp or something? Thanks my friend!

@theturkeysopinion

22 күн бұрын

​@@triggerbarPhDi think you are correct, no crimp when I enlarge the image. Hmmm. What about C.O.L? Is it matching anything out of the books? Or is it way too short. It doesn't look too terrible compared to the other ones but ....🤔 But if they are not crimped that sharp edge can affect feeding also. It still does look like that ogive is a little deep though...

@triggerbarPhD

22 күн бұрын

@@theturkeysopinion so 460 Rowland is 1/16 longer cases as 45 acp but the OAL is supposed to be the same as 45 acp. The OAL is fine on these so I’m guessing it’s just crimp or these bullets don’t work great with the round but I think they are just xtp’s and those are used by lots of other companies so IDK.

@theturkeysopinion

22 күн бұрын

@@triggerbarPhD 🤔