Surprised you didn't cover the fact that MLB issued a warning to teams that this behavior is no longer allowed in the wake of this. This would now count as a strike instead of a ball.

@kqatsi

Жыл бұрын

...why? The batter doesn't need to be ready until the 8-second mark, correct?

@alanm2842

Жыл бұрын

if batter keep this up bean him

@Verlisify

Жыл бұрын

Its clearly cheating to try to get an advantage. Its unsporting, not gamesmanship

@LennonMarx420

Жыл бұрын

@@kqatsi This is like a balk on the batter, really. He's intentionally deceiving the pitcher by looking ready to hit but having a foot out.

@MrSheckstr

Жыл бұрын

There was no lip reading needed

the fact that umpires don't explain it to the players on the warning is beyond me, especially when they look as perplexed as Kenley

@CognizantCheddar

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because the ump is just as confused as I am as to how Jansen lacked the peripheral vision to perceive Contreras' leg position from 60 feet away.

@zkeletonz001

Жыл бұрын

You'd think the catcher or one of the infielders would pick it up pretty easily and let him know what's going on.

@ReadIcculus93

Жыл бұрын

Hey now, you want the pace of play sped up or do you want to see a bunch of explaining and arguing on the field? Cause at this point, if the fans want the pace of play sped up, don't expect umpires to explain every call. I know what would solve this problem, get rid of the pitch clock. There, no more confusing calls

@kevinmach730

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, but we are about a quarter of the way through the season and I have not seen a pitcher struggle this badly to figure it out. Even with guys who weren't deliberately trying to trick him.

@deusvult6920

Жыл бұрын

It's the responsibility of coaches to teach the rules to players. Not umpires.

They'll need to take that out of the rule for next season. The idea is to speed up the game... not allow the batter to INTENTIONALLY slow down the game and be awarded with a ball.

@philabronc4667

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Rules are getting ridiculous

@TeemoQuinton

Жыл бұрын

Let me correct you. They'll need to teach Kenley to look at the batters

@yodakazam

Жыл бұрын

Why? Pitchers are allowed to hold the ball until the last second so batters should be able to limit the amount of time they have to stand in the box. Kenley should just open his fucking eyes and see Contreras isn't even close to being in the box

@michaelmiguelicutti2829

Жыл бұрын

Or just get rid of the pitch clock all together.

@Brizzly

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t the time on the pitch clock still running ? So it wouldn’t slow down the game. It might speed it up a tad actually.

I first discovered Jomboy after Kenley Jansen’s “intentional balk.” Funny to see all these years later, he’s still doing weird stuff worth breaking down

@naturallynorthwest9748

Жыл бұрын

Hadn't seen that one til I read this comment. :)

@wjatube

Жыл бұрын

That's a classic!

@FPSWordle

Жыл бұрын

It's why the Dodgers got rid of him. Watching him come into games was an awful experience as a Dodger fan.

@A38

Жыл бұрын

@@FPSWordle uninformed take. Do some research about what it costs to employ an MLB pitcher, then run a cost benefit on Jansen vs. other available closers the year the Dodgers replaced him, then come back here and tell us the Dodgers ditched him for his Jonboy clout

@FPSWordle

Жыл бұрын

@@A38 Right. It wasn't all of his blown saves in the playoffs or anything. Idiot.

i love the crowd breakdowns as well. The dual "oh shittt"'s really add to the situation.

@kevinmach730

Жыл бұрын

And don't forget, ditching your kid while doing so, in order to properly voice your dissatisfaction. 🤣🤣

@XL777

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinmach730 best part of the video😂

Would have been nice for nesn to show the pitch clock for any of these pitches. Definitely seems as if the batters weren't ready by 8 seconds

@alexrobertsfcim

Жыл бұрын

I was watching that game, and NESN commentators explained their pitch clock timer doesn't show up until 10 seconds or fewer remain. So if you weren't seeing it, there were still more than 10 seconds on the clock.

@Swordsfor200Alex

Жыл бұрын

Was watching on BSMW and they show the entire pitch clock countdown from 20 when a runner is on base. Contreras would start his step in at 9 seconds and his foot would be down at 8 second mark. It was all legal. Surprisingly the Red Sox coaches must not have taught Jansen the pitch clock rules.

@unclejuan2274

Жыл бұрын

@@Swordsfor200Alexthan why did manny get ejected for trying to call a timeout at 8 seconds rules needs to put in place

@TheEloheim

Жыл бұрын

​@@unclejuan2274Because the rule is the batter has to be in the box and ready _before_ the clock shows 8. If it's turning to 8 and timeout hasn't already been granted it's a violation.

@freedbygsus

Жыл бұрын

If the batters weren't ready in time, either the umpire would call a violation on the batter or the Red Sox would be arguing about the lack of a call. Neither happened, so its safe to assume the batters were ready in time.

It’s amazing to me the amount of preparation mlb players put in. This was 100% planned by the cardinals for Kenley

@michaelharkins4645

11 ай бұрын

What else are they gonna do.

I'm surprised that nobody's commenting that they aren't calling a balk every time that Jansen does that hip rotation and then comes back to set. On the first pitch he does it twice.

@beinquisitive

Жыл бұрын

I just saw this vid, and my comment in the comments was "how is that not a balk every time?" It is an abomination.

@Fly-The-W

3 ай бұрын

Its because he does it every time and is part of his motion so its not deceiving the runner.

@sdhjsjana72js

29 күн бұрын

because the ump knows that’s how he pitches and the batters know that’s how he pitches. if a fresh ump was there he might’ve called it

We need a Playlist of Jomboy Balk Breakdowns and maybe with enough slo-mo footage we can finally figure out what a Balk actually is

@Gabe-zm9vh

Жыл бұрын

A balk is just a when the pitcher is uhhh on the mound and the uhh umpire says balk it’s a balk dude

@LennonMarx420

Жыл бұрын

@@canadianguy-nl1xw Unless you're a lefty, in which case you can never balk no matter how far into your motion you are, because reasons.

@Whatuptho_8

Жыл бұрын

​@@canadianguy-nl1xw nah

@magenlin

Жыл бұрын

@@canadianguy-nl1xw much like everybody in this comments section by think I know what a Bach is but everyday my confusion grows. But my real question from this video is how come the runner didn't get to advance a base on those two balks?

@PatrickHaskins

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why that weird body twist he does once or twice each time isn't considered a balk. It seems like balk rules are much different from when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s.

Interesting breakdown. Only a matter of time before somebody found a loophole "You take him hunny I gotta stand up and yell" that line got me lol

@helloman3676

Жыл бұрын

There is no loophole....the hitter has to be set in the hitters box and make eye contact with the pitcher before the 8 second mark....These pitchers are just stupid or playing dumb. The pitcher have until the time expire to start their motion to pitch. for the simpleton: 15 second clock with no base runner. The batters has 7 second to be set. The pitchers has 14 second to START his delivery (not when he releases the ball). 20 second clock for runner on base. The batters has 12 second to be set. The pitchers has 19 second to START his delivery (not when he releases the ball).

@ohger1

Жыл бұрын

@@helloman3676 Agree - no loophole as long as we don't have an "Einstein" like Jansen pitching..

@RSMoreno

Жыл бұрын

Gaming the system is part of baseball culture.. or maybe just human nature

@papoukaofficial561

Жыл бұрын

@@helloman3676 im sure thats why the MLB updated the rules to prevent this from happening... no loophole at all man

@jamesynfg2136

Жыл бұрын

@@papoukaofficial561 then what was the loophole? It’s the batter’s fault for the pitcher’s lack of awareness and/or comprehension of the rule he’s being paid millions to play under? By this logic, let’s ban the hidden ball trick and stealing bases during a long windup since those maneuvers also take advantage of an opponent’s lack of awareness lmfao. Plain and simple, the amendment they added to the rule is stupid and uncalled for.

I don't think they expected it to become as much of a factor on the game itself. I mean, it's putting runners on base and will create outs in the future... The fact that the MLB is reactive rather than proactive in their rulings proves this (MLB has said that this behavior will be called strikes going forward). It all just seems to come with a layer of ambiguity. Both the batter and pitcher being confused on the last violation sums it up pretty well.

@KC-nm4ct

Жыл бұрын

Can the pitcher still being confused really be blamed on MLB at this point? 😂

@waltlock8805

Жыл бұрын

Give it a year and things will sort themselves out.

@citylimit33

11 ай бұрын

which is why they should kill the pitch clock 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

Back in the '80s this would have resulted in a fastball to the helmet.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

Back in the 80’s we’d still be waiting for the batter to get in the box.

@Dead_Goat

Жыл бұрын

@@CommonSense823 That was the 90s.

@C.A.D.

Жыл бұрын

And that's a bad thing

@tdawgdawgonson3560

Жыл бұрын

@@CommonSense823 to be fair, in this particular game we were waiting for the batters to enter the box

The pitch clock rules are imperfect. The batter should have to signal to the ump that theyre ready before 8 seconds, then the ump signals to the pitcher that its ok to pitch. Remove the inconsistency and the silly "eye contact" rule.

@ItsDavidWright

Жыл бұрын

Yeah baseball is broken

@notleeland

Жыл бұрын

Just remove the clock.

@mdccxxvii

Жыл бұрын

​@@notleeland we're too deep already. Clock is staying forever

@dungeonmaster6292

Жыл бұрын

Go back to at least before instant replay

@Handall88

Жыл бұрын

Just put a Kanban board on the field

Next rule: no more pitchers to save time. Every batter must hit off a T in order to save time from pitches.

@dungeonmaster6292

Жыл бұрын

Games will be simulated via AI

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

Жыл бұрын

​@@dungeonmaster6292 Honestly, I'd rather watch this. At least the umps would make sense.

@ericstoverink6579

Жыл бұрын

At least, then, there would be an actual reason for designated hitters to exist.

@Valliac

Жыл бұрын

Just a pitching machine that spins in a circle before throwing.

@Griggs58

Жыл бұрын

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 You’ve clearly never played The Show. Those umps are like Angel Hernandez and Jim Joyce put together.

I feel like it's a big issue with these rapid rule changes going forward for the MLB in particular. The top comment here has yet another new layer added that batters can't do this intentionally. Thing is, here in the MLB there's quite the melting pot of languages and cultures. Primarily you have English speaking Americans (the continents), then Spanish and Portuguese speakers primarily from the Central and Southern American and Caribbean nations, and even Japanese speakers from Japan. English is that main language, especially with managers and umps, but not every player has the best grasp of the language. I'm not saying Jansen is bad at English. I don't know enough about him, but as he's a veteran MLB pitcher I presume his English is fine. I just think that Baseball has a communication problem. Even broadcasters can have no idea what's going on sometimes. I don't exactly want NFL-style ump-to-stadium loudspeaker calls every out, but perhaps for these weird deadball situations you get something out there because just yelling a bit from the plate and using some brand new signals that might not be understood or paid attention to doesn't seem to be cutting it.

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

This is why baseball is filled with signals. Doesn't matter what language you speak.

The guy with the kid breakdown, epic! Great breakdown as usual JB.

To clarify, the pitcher is not allowed to come set before the batter is in the box and ready thanks to Max Scherzer. Mad Max was gaming the rule by coming set right after he got the ball and throwing it as soon as the batter looked up. Thus, MLB ruled that pitchers are not allowed to come to the set position and wait for the batter (now it is an illegal quick pitch/clock violation). Jansen, for the most part, was not starting his motion/windup in this video. Rather, he was coming to the set position before it is allowed. Now Contreras' behavior will be altered to having to have the bat pointed down, or looking away from the pitcher (though I think he is actually looking in centerfield at the pitch clock). By rule, the batter is still allowed to delay until the 8 second mark as long as he is not trying to deceive the pitcher into coming set.

@Swordsfor200Alex

Жыл бұрын

Of course he is looking at the centerfield clock. Because he has to step in the box by the 8 second mark. Then the pitcher can come set and start his delivery. You would think all teams went over this in spring training. It isn't new in May when they have been playing for 2 months. Jesus, Kenley is an idiot if he doesn't know the pitch clock mechanics.

@marijuasher

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully it's Max's fault and not, say, the Cardinals' organization that, from the breakdown above, gamed the rules. Nah, we'll blame the Met. After all, the Cardinals play ball the right way. Ain't that so.

@bdelgado1979

Жыл бұрын

@@marijuasher Well, all of it was legal by the rules at the time, including Scherzer. What the OP is saying is that they adjusted the rule because of Max's gamesmanship, and they'll likely adjust it again because of this gamesmanship. None of it was a knock on anybody, just explaining the rule and how it has evolved and will likely evolve moving forward....

@sjp2649

Жыл бұрын

@@marijuasher wow this really struck a nerve for you, princess?😂

@Archerftw

Жыл бұрын

@@marijuasher they make medicated ointment for but their now.

I watched this live and like everyone else was so confused as to why the ump kept calling it a clock violation. I knew immediately this was gonna be a breakdown 🤣

Braves fan. The pitch clock was one of the reasons I was glad we let him walk. Though I'm sure he'll figure it out, he's a pro, but this isn't a big surprise

Jansen knows the rule. The batter is not supposed to dictate the pace of the game beyond being ready. Eye contact, bat in ready position & feet in the box are all controlled by the batter. If the pitcher is supposed to make eye contact and sees the bat in ready position, the pitch should be allowed.

@atyt11

Жыл бұрын

absolutly agree!👌👌👍👍

I heard about this but haven’t seen a breakdown until now. Thanks for doing this. As always, you are on top of the big stuff.

@MaxHesh7

Жыл бұрын

not always

Worth pointing out that donovan intentionally positions himself in the line of the throw without interfering which likely helped with making the throw more difficult

@briancandler8636

Жыл бұрын

Did that against the Brewers too

@ogreman2229

Жыл бұрын

Smart baserunning

@david-468

Жыл бұрын

Wow I dislike that a lot, because if he just nailed him in the head they blame that on the ss, if they truly want to protect fielders and runners they have to talk about that

@mukkslide27

Жыл бұрын

@@david-468 he ducked

@briancandler8636

Жыл бұрын

@@david-468 It’s legal. Nothing wrong with trying to get an advantage

I can appreciate that you think this is creativity. Ultimately I like the pitch clock. Definitely speeds up the game but I do frown on shenanigans with it. Love your vids. Keep doing what your doing!

While the other commenters have pointed out that MLB has said this behavior will count as a strike on the batter, not a ball, this is just one more instance of gaming the rule to take it further away for its intention, i.e. speeding up the ball game. The simplest and easiest way is to just say pitcher and batter must be ready by x time, one time out per at bat per actor, no "gamesmanship", no bending the rules, no interpretation. However, baseball is not really a fan of hard and fast rules, so we all know this simple solution will not be offered.

@ernest1576

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a perfect solution which ever party isn't ready in the allowed time would be penalize but I'm sure this solution wouldn't be right do too other factors that exists

Does a Jomboy evolve to a JimMan?

@JayD73

Жыл бұрын

The real questions being asked here

@Gabe-zm9vh

Жыл бұрын

Woah

@GuavaConQueso

Жыл бұрын

Then the final evolution is JamesSir?

@dustinholmes3832

Жыл бұрын

JamMan

@NickWeissMusic

Жыл бұрын

Not as of yet…

So what’s the point of a pitch clock if the clock doesn’t start until the batter and hitter agree to look at each other? Shouldn’t the clock dictate when they both should be ready by?

@jonathancoates5195

Жыл бұрын

The clock starts. The batter is simply not required to be ready until the 8-second mark.

@khain37

Жыл бұрын

It does. It dictates the batter has to be ready by the 8 second mark. Pitcher has to start throwing after batter is ready but before clock expires. The clock has started, Contreras was just using his full 12 seconds (clock starts at 20 with runners on base) to delay Jansen and Jansen wasn't looking at his lower half.

@Danjr704

Жыл бұрын

I think the pitch clock should be more straight forward instead of requiring attention from the batter or whatever. If the batter isn’t paying attention it’s his fault. Pitch clock should be simple- during at bat after thrown ball or strike batter cannot leave the box and you have 15 secs to throw next pitch, if batter isn’t ready oh well. If a ball is hit foul you have 20 secs from when new ball is received from ump or catcher. Forget this be ready by 8 seconds, pitcher has to throw before time expires. If batter isn’t ready and pitcher throws a strike it’s a strike, if pitcher misses it’s a ball.

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

@@Danjr704 This is a bad change you're proposing because it only awards the batter. Your change allows for a pitch to be a ball instead of an automatic strike. Unless you're Tim Wakefield, you're not throwing a pitch every 10 seconds for your rule change to even matter, and the batter could get a ball instead of a 100% called strike. This change only benefits the batter, and your goal is to try to make a rule to benefit the pitcher, which this change is the total reverse of what you want.

It would be interesting to know what the pitch clock was at. The new rule: Pitchers will have 15 seconds to throw a pitch with the bases empty and 20 seconds with a runner on base. Hitters will need to be in the batter's box with eight seconds on the pitch clock. I would think that Contreras would have been called for a violation if the clock had been that far down, so Jansen may have been in too big a hurry or, the ump wasn't calling out Contreras.

You're why I show interest in baseball. Love it.

Baseball is bizarre now - we spend more time during games talking about THIS then the actual game lol

I just don't understand how nobody clarified to him after the Contreras at bat what exactly to look for, because they clearly did not.

@DocSpengler

Жыл бұрын

In the heat of the moment, I doubt he would have made the adjustment. He'd be too frustrated to really be like "ok look for this every time now"

@andrewrogers3279

Жыл бұрын

Idk, it seems like they did and he was just unable to adjust in the moment. Cora didn't even seem a bit frustrated with the ump crew, he got the explanation with Jansen and was 100% satisfied with how the rule was explained.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

All that needed to happen was the catcher to go visit him, tell him what's going on, and to slow down a bit. They left him to figure it out on his own, and he didn't.

@andrewrogers3279

Жыл бұрын

@@CommonSense823 I can't rewatch the Jomboy breakdown rn to see if he cut this out but I was watching this game and the team and ump all had a meeting where the rule was explained

@jamesynfg2136

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewrogers3279 so the pitcher is just an idiot. Not sure why the rule needs to be changed because of general stupidity lmfao

Love the voiceovers!!!!

I'm good with this, as long as the batter is also good with the pitcher making him "earn" the base by planting a fastball in the batter's thigh

Not just the tying run, the go-ahead run Jimmy!

@ninjasteph8350

Жыл бұрын

You know she said she threw a 50 pitch bullpen the day before right? definitely only 80 percent at best against a good hitter. I wouldnt be throwing 70% the day after 50 pitch bullpen. Most people wouldnt even throw. Kinda showing you baseball knowledge if ur judging her off this. If u watch trevor bauer, he would have done light catch to not even throwing that day and hes a pro. Eric is no major leaguer but definitely better than a college hitter. Im will to bet that u face her, u would get 0 hits.

He was out at first with a throw that was direct to the first baseman (who would stretch for it) as opposed to having to be "ole'd" off the dirt.

Yeah, this rule has it’s benefits but there is always no doubt some underlying tactics to abuse the rule as well. Strange that the Umps haven’t been trying to help pitchers who struggle with that rule on the mound to better clarify that the pitchers now need to make sure both Batters feet are well in box to declare the batter ready to receive the pitch before making their pitch.

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

Because it's not a new rule. It's a rule that's been around since all of us were born.

I appreciate your appreciation sir, salute to you.

The rules have changed so much on me. How are the pitchers leg twitches not a balk?

@blackout2189

Жыл бұрын

Per my understanding of the balk rules, and let's be honest no one understands the balk rules, because he does it every time in the stretch he's ok. If he deviated from that delivery motion it would be a balk.

@119Agent

Жыл бұрын

He never stops and restarts his motion.

@Gforcebond

Жыл бұрын

@@blackout2189 It's for sure a balk. He takes so long in his delivery and the fact he's a righty he's so easy to steal against.

@idrizzyt7524

Жыл бұрын

Man, i just commented the same thing.... i pitched travel baseball for so long. the second i touched the ball with my other hand to my glove, i was never allowed to even shimmy or move my shoulders or else it was a balk by umpire. This guy comes to a weird set motion and continues to move his shoulders left and right. Seems so deceiving to a first base runner. I mean he comes set and moves his hips around weird.. i would be called balk on that every time. Then again wtf do i know.,

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

@@Gforcebond Balks are not determined by length of time, so no you're wrong. To be set, you need to have a full stop. Until a pitcher is FULLY STOPPED (legs, arms and everything else) they are not set, and a leg twitch cannot be called a balk.

MLB has already ruled on this afterbirth so called gamesmanship. Once you put a foot in the box the pitch clock starts

@terrencecoccoli524

Жыл бұрын

No

@omfgpie

Жыл бұрын

This afterbirth?

@119Agent

Жыл бұрын

That was always the rule. We are seeing a running clock in these clips. Contraras has until 8s to get set including his foot in the box.

@billbaldridge9784

Жыл бұрын

That's not the rule. Pitch clock starts at 20 seconds. The pitcher can't come set until batter is in the box and alert to the pitcher, which he can do sooner but must be by the 8 second mark. The update tot he rule just says the batters can't trick the pitchers by appearing to be in the box and ready when they aren't. Willson wasn't trying to trick Jansen, he was just trying to use his max time because Jansen is so slow coming set and making his delivery and he thought it might disrupt his timing. The fact that Jansen was so confused and oblivious and his own team didn't seem to care to make sure he knew the rule was just funny.

@78TBGAMER

Жыл бұрын

@@billbaldridge9784 he was 100% trying to trick Jansen. If he was just waiting him out then he wouldn’t have been looking at Jansen making eye contact and having his bat in a ready position. Other players will wait the pitcher out and don’t look at the pitcher.

Also did not talk about the fact that the umpire kept pointing to his watch signaling pitch clock violation. The broadcasters were completely confused by this because the pitch clock was well above the 8 second mark when the ump called the violations. So nobody really understood what was happening based on what the ump was signaling.

I just so happened to catch this live at a Sybergs. We were all quite surprised at the violations.

When I first heard the rules I was honestly a bit worried about the speed of the game causing some of these mind games to go away.... I've been very happy they are still here!

@nychris2258

Жыл бұрын

I hate this crap. Its ruining baseball.

@IRepko

Жыл бұрын

@@nychris2258 you probably would have bitched when catchers started wearing protection behind home plate. Baseball is still baseball

@bluesfan6862

Жыл бұрын

@@THE0malley stupid take. I am a cards fan, and am neutral about the new rules. I like the games being shorter and faster pace, but the rules are pure stupidity, and this is a great example.

@makeamericagreatasfawk5022

Жыл бұрын

@@nychris2258 it's horrible .

@nychris2258

Жыл бұрын

@@THE0malley No go to hell.. Ive been a baseball fan for all my 38 years. Im tired of the game changing every freakin season to appease a bunch of Zoomers with ADHD diagnoses. All you see on TV during games are these morons looking down at their phones while sititng in the stands anyway.

I can't believe Kenley didn't just wait him out each time. Just put it on the batter

@mikebarker9187

Жыл бұрын

Yeah.

@bryantsteury8910

Жыл бұрын

Totally, if Contreras isn't ready by the 8 count, it's on him. And one would think he'd be able to get a windup going in 9 seconds.

@freedbygsus

Жыл бұрын

Because he thinks Contreras is ready when he isn't. Jansen doesn't yet realize he's being tricked.

@fluffypenguins

Жыл бұрын

@@freedbygsus how is he tricking him? The batter has to be set and if the pitcher uses his eyes he can clearly see that the batter isn't set

@EthanBeattie-wh4zx

Жыл бұрын

​​​​​@@fluffypenguinsJensen was suffering from good old tunnel vision. My understanding is that the pitcher and the batter essentially have to make eye contact, so Jensen was probably so focused on his head that he didn't notice the rest of his body wasn't properly aligned. It's like the classic video where you're given a task like counting shapes flying across the screen, and then a guy in a gorilla suit walks through frame. Most people don't notice, even though when you know what to be looking for it's extremely obvious.

That errant throw let the go ahead run score, the tying run scored on the fielders choice😊

Castros weird foot tapping and swaying back and forth on one leg is completely fine so why not this, both are mind games

This is just the flip side of the Max Scherzer rule we had to work out in Spring Training when Max tried to get a competitive advantage by having already come set and quick pitching as soon as the batter was ready. So now there is a rule against this, because what Baseball really needs is a new rule to fix the new rule that fixed the new rules they put in place. Honestly with all the changes they made is anyone surprised stuff like this is going to have to be shaken out during the season? At least this wasn't a postseason elimination game or something.

@catmansanka

Жыл бұрын

Is that why he can't come set? I figured he could come set and wait for eye contact/ batter ready to pitch, and was so confused why that wasn't allowed.

@Koshea69

Жыл бұрын

@@catmansanka Correct, Max this spring training was trying to push the limits of being super fast and super slow to mess with hitters timing. Max got a rule created just for him, can't even come set till the batter is ready.

@i_have_a_coat

Жыл бұрын

@@Koshea69 and contreras just caused another rule change, so now theres a new rule for the new rules for the new rules...

@deusvult6920

Жыл бұрын

MLB - implements rule Players: try to game the rule in a way that goes against the spirit of the rule MLB: makes new rule to address that You're literally complaining to complain. You're the type of person that would complain your water was wet

@Godzeller3143

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s literally the first year of the new rules. Players are going to try to find loopholes, and new rules will be made to close said loopholes. That’s how professional sports work.

Jose Caballero has already been doing this. It's what got the benches to clear against Houston.

Jose Caballero has been playing the clock fully to his advantage since getting called up. So much so the Trashstros cleared to benches over it

I don’t get it. How did Jansen not get called for a balk at all???

Wow. That’s Wilson Contreras highlight for ‘23 season so far.

@bobbyrodermund1901

Жыл бұрын

This aged incredibly well

@danemehring1029

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyrodermund1901 You sure about that buddy?

so first the pitcher gamed the pitch clock and we got the Scherzer rule...now the batter's are starting to do it. Will there be a Contreas rule now?

@andrewrogers3279

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they literally added one Weds/Thurs. “We have advised umpires that conduct by batters designed to deceive a pitcher into beginning their windup or coming to the set position early - including pretending to be in the batter’s box and alert to the pitcher - constitutes circumvention under the pace of game regulations.” “Pitchers must continue to be aware of the position of the batter, and identify when the batter is appropriately in the batter’s box and alert to the pitcher before the pitcher begins the windup or comes set,” Hill added. “However, if the umpire determines that a batter appears alert to the pitcher and prepared to hit a pitch with more than eight seconds remaining on the timer, but is deliberately keeping one or both feet outside of the batter’s box, the umpire will not call a violation on the pitcher, but rather will issue a warning to the batter for his deceptive behavior.” Additional similar conduct by the batter would result in a violation on the batter and a strike called.

@MysticZefer

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see mlb is the biggest joke sport LOL

@billbaldridge9784

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewrogers3279 So all the batter has to do if he wants to use all his time after the rule change is not be alert to the pitcher until 8 seconds when he is required to be. Willson wasn't trying to deceive Kenley, he was clearly out of the box. Kenley was just oblivious.

@andrewrogers3279

Жыл бұрын

@@billbaldridge9784 I don’t understand what you’re saying, the batter was already allowed to not be alert and ready in the box until 8s, that was already the rule Willson was 100% trying to deke him, that’s why he’s smart and it was a smart play. He had his hands/bat in ready position, eyes out to the pitcher, and one leg in his stance

@billbaldridge9784

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewrogers3279 You think Willson was trying to appear in the box and alert to the pitcher? I don't. Watch the video again. He's clearly in the classic, one leg in, one leg out, timeout stance. The first pitch he has the bat held down by his waist. The second one a little higher. The third pitch he was nowhere near in the box or in the hitting position. He does not look like he's ready to hit in any of them. What he did here probably is still fine after the rule clarification. All he's trying to do is disrupt glacially slow Jansen's timing by taking the max time allowed by the batter and Jansen was oblivious and kept coming set sometimes without even looking to see if the batter is ready. That's 100% on Jansen, and his team didn't seem to help him out.

This is great content. I see it, I must watch it.

What a great rule. Really sped things up....

SHout out to first base couch who still manages to make a bubble, like a boss, as there is an overthrow and a tying run in the 9th inning.

Should be on the umpire to explain why, even if it's as simple as pointing at the batter's feet or something. Obviously, the pitcher didn't realize the issue

@freedbygsus

Жыл бұрын

Umpires are not supposed to influence the game aside from the calls they make. Umpires are allowed to explain why they made a certain call and MLB has granted them some discretion to issue a warning with some of the new and changing rules. That's not just limited to umpires but includes most ruling officials like referees and judges.

Thanks

This guy cracks me up!

This pitcher f#cking blows. That aside, MLB just needs to widen the batters boxes so that the batter cannot step out of the box unless they move both feet.

@larryfisher7056

Жыл бұрын

my thought exactly...

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

Yeah e36 because he doesn't know a brand new rule this pitcher is trash. You don't even know the pitcher's name so why are you even calling him trash? You see "this pitcher" is in the top 99.9% of all people to ever play this game, at a high school level or higher. You're not even on this list of people. You're not near the bottom, you're not even the very bottom. Your placement does not exist. And the fact you think a pitcher is trash for not fully understanding a new rule, well that says more about your lack of knowing anything than theirs.

@e36z32

7 ай бұрын

@@LemonStir Why is your argument to compare him to me? 🤣 I’d suggest it says more about the failures of the coaching staff if he doesn’t know the rules. I am aware of the name of this joke of an All Star. Sadly I was at this game watching him fall apart.

The Cardinals have made life hard for Kenley many times, but this is genius.

You gotta throw in the fact that Contreras was also purposefully waiting riiight until 8 seconds to step into the box 1more second in the box and its an automatic strike 2:50 like here how he tries to stick his foot in the box real quick

Great video thank you

Yeah. Between the margins. Unlike framing which is flat out illegal, and cheating, and we made it a stat instead of enforcing it.

I can't believe they allow that false-start wiggle before getting set on the rubber.

I don't watch a lot of baseball but i do follow it. The games that i do watch i wish they would show the pitch clock like they show the play clock in other sports

I thought the batter has to be in the box ready at 8 seconds? So why doesn’t the pitcher just be ready to throw the ball at 7 seconds.

Jomboy never fails to deliver

As a Dodger fan seeing Kiké. Turner on the field brings me joy. But as a Dodger Fan. I knew Kenley would blow it. 😅

Its true MLB made a "warning" to batters attempting to deceive the pitcher. Ok, like that wont be bungled further? How can the ump know whether or not the batter is "ready" - by looking at head or feet, or both? What happens when the batter moves his head, and is in the box with both feet, yet obviously not ready, such as the batter right after Contreras? What if the ump is pissed at the pitcher already and decides to side with the batter on a very close call regarding pitch clock "readiness". An obvious way to "fix" this if you think it's a loophole, is to rewrite the rule to require a batter to not make eye contact with a pitcher until both feet are set and all this must be done by 8 sec remaining.

When he does that initial jerk with his lead leg, does he not put in back on the ground and so not a balk?

Cardinals be poppin off rn.

@redbrrdz7423

Жыл бұрын

Best team in the league and its not even close

@nellAx19

Жыл бұрын

@@redbrrdz7423 Okay, I love the Cardinals, but I suggest we wait a while for them to improve their record before we start jumping to that conclusion. They're on the right track as of late, though.

@claybond7430

Жыл бұрын

@@nellAx19 yeah they definitely had a rough start but hopefully they can keep it together.

It should only be a ball if you pitch before the batter is set.

I think umpires need to hurry batters into the box more then give pitchers a 10 to 15 second count to make your throwing motion. Also allow pitchers ablity to throw the ball anyway they want as long as the ball once in windup leaves the hand. It encourage pitchers to fast pitch or slow pitch more and thus throw more strikes which mean less balls which means fewer balls, which means fewer pitches, which means faster innings etc.

"Oh shit you take him honey i gotta stand up and yell" lmao

During the pitch attempt at 2:52 the pitcher didn't even bother to look towards the batter before starting his windup.

@hustler3of4culture3

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. He wasn't making eye contact. It's total BS that people are saying Contreras was alone in being unsportsmanlike.

@seanmahony1484

Жыл бұрын

He never started his windup in any of these pitches. He came set which is against the stupid Scherzer rule amendment to make it so hitters don't have their feelings hurt by getting pitched at as soon as they're ready.

@Arjay404

Жыл бұрын

@@seanmahony1484 Right sorry, wrong term, but you got what I meant. The pitcher was already ready to start his pitch without even looking at the batter.

Paying back Kenley for the *hours* of my time wasted by his pace before the pitch clock is just *chefs kiss*

can we take a moment to talk about how pristine that umpires hair was coming out the helmet? shit was beautiful

@FaustoTheBoozehound

Жыл бұрын

I thought Jomboy showed that intentionally but then I saw it wasn't a keeps ad 😆

How do you not notice an open stance with a leg out the box. Also every run is important. Especially when it’s the tying run at the plate lol

As a dodgers fan... sorry Boston, welcome to the world of kenley blowing games in the 9th...

Contreras was doing this all season. Was quite funny to watch.

Surprised you didn't mention the clock part of this. It's perfectly clear of the "violation" without a clock, but Contreras was riding that "8 second mark" really close. That's what I was confused about.

Contreras was doing that during the series vs the Angels too.

How the hell is that twitch not a balk? He goes back, starts forward then resets his delivery. They told Garcia he couldn't do his windup, with no runners on, but let this bullshit, and the shit that Nestor and other relievers do with runners on base

@LemonStir

7 ай бұрын

He's not set. Not once in this whole motion is he ever fully stopped.

@paulhopkins1905

7 ай бұрын

@@LemonStir he still makes a move towards the plate, twice

This is fucking beautiful. I am so here for all of this.

@IkLms11

Жыл бұрын

Yup. It's great to see pitchers actually have to deal with the same kind of stupid shit they've gotten away from for years.

Was at this game. Pain.

The gamesmanship around the pitch clock will be what makes it stick around. Baseball has a way of engraining rules that make sense.

How tf do you not realize that you’re making the same mistake for a 4th time? Mind boggling stuff.

I'm not a pitcher, and I know the meta games go deep, but.... shouldn't it be obvious to the pitcher when the batter's foot is very far out of the box?

@freedbygsus

Жыл бұрын

Not when his foot is only just outside. Not to mention, Jansen is trying to focus more on making his pitch than trickery.

@barrymccockiner9464

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Anyone playing a professional sport should have good enough vision to see someone from head to toe from 60 feet away.

@metallicakixtotalass

Жыл бұрын

you have to consider that the game camera is considerably higher up than the pitcher's eye level and therefore it's hard for a pitcher to tell when a batter's foot is just outside the box and when he just has a wide stance.

@ballinbunnies

Жыл бұрын

@@barrymccockiner9464 it's a good thing you are well prepared with that profile pic.

@neils19

Жыл бұрын

Shouldn’t the ump say cut the shit and get in the box?

Different rules, same ol’ Kenley Jansen: blowing up save opportunities .

Sense of humor is perfect.

I don't get why Jansen's double knee-jerk every pitch isn't a balk every time.

@119Agent

Жыл бұрын

He is consistent and never stops after coming set.

@BarackLesnar

Жыл бұрын

If you balk every time, you're allowed to do it.

@119Agent

Жыл бұрын

@@BarackLesnar correct.

@FaustoTheBoozehound

Жыл бұрын

@@BarackLesnar haha the Pettite Principle

@chocolatecoveredgummybears

Жыл бұрын

bcz he comes to a set.

For the record it's not just Jansen that Contreras uses his entire pitch clock for. He gives the pitcher as little time as possible in almost all at bats, as he should. Those first 12 seconds are his time, the pitcher gets the last 8 all to himself.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

Yep. There is no reason for him to get in the box and be ready to swing for 20 seconds waiting on a pitcher.

@randominternet5586

Жыл бұрын

They should obviously make it 10/10.

Love it!!

Needs to be like a chess clock. When the batter isn’t ready, a clock is counting against him. The *pitch* clock can be shorter, and only counts while the batter is ready to receive a pitch. Or, a slightly longer chess clock for the at-bat. Instead of each pitch timing to balls and strikes, if you exhaust your clock it’s an auto walk or out.

@mauer1

10 ай бұрын

Have like 20 seconds for the better to get ready let him give the ump a sign then the ump gives the pitcher a sign and he has to pitch within 8 seconds.

Donovan with the smart block on the double play by staying in the base path

It’s like they just invented the batter’s box and caught pitchers totally in the dark about what it means.

@shorelinefishing9213

Жыл бұрын

Goes to show just what they are used to

@LennonMarx420

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man, it's just the batter's box. Nothing else changed this year that would make the interaction of the batter stepping out and the pitcher getting ready to pitch different.

The ump is supposed to make sure the battery is in the box by a certain time as well. The batting glove adjustments and one foot in and the other out is a violation

".. they're tricking him but I don't know if that's my place as an umpire.." 😭🤣

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

Some people are just easily tricked. All the possible verbiage in the rule book can't fix stupid.

The pitch clock is a great example of how you fuck up a game through litigation

I’ll always be a Contreras fan

The errant throw actually caused both the tying and leading runs to score i think.

"You put your baby down just to yell at me, i'm upset too" 😂