Cool video! It's worth noting that in the movie, the Mach 5, Shooting Star, and other vehicles seen in the Casa Cristo Rally have a traditional wheelbase and steering system. The Mach 6 exists because the Mach 5 isn't a T-180 -- That's why they have to build a new Mach 6 for Speed to enter the Grand Prix, despite already having the Mach 5. Also, one other thing worth mentioning is that T-180s appear to have both a "normal" engine powering the wheels AND some sort of jet engine in the rear. When the T-180 "drifts", the wheels point in the direction of the turn, and the car rotates it's rear end outwards and subsequently points the jet engine outwards, creating thrust that cancels out centrifugal force, allowing the car to take corners ridiculously fast without relying solely on the grip coefficient of the tires. The many pedals of the T-180 probably help the driver control what the jet engine is doing at any given time, among other things, and I'm sure there is some sort of computer controlled aspect of how the car reacts to steering inputs. It would be a very complicated vehicle to drive. Also, Rex's Mach 4 appears to be a sort of... proto-T180, with both a traditional steering system and a rear jet engine that simply works in tandem with the regular engine and throttle pedal.

@Bonafide_Builders_INC

2 жыл бұрын

Can we give him an award smart

@williamhutchins479

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but the mach 4 and 5 looked like cars while the mach 6 has a full on jet like cockpit. But they didn't rebuild the mach 6 because the mach 5 was slow the mach 6 got blown up in Fuji. Thus they had to build a new car and used newer tactics. They even said they started from design to finish in the time frame I can't recall how long. Interesting to note that Spritle didn't know the engine originally put in the mach 6, when pops brought up Bernoulli's "Real power" I don't know I just find it odd, or the original mach 6 was slower than the new one? Doubtful.

@vaulthunterfromterra4053

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought Rex’s Mach-4 had T-180 in the front and standard in the rear, sort of like using drift suspension in a race car. You still take corners like you would with a fully standard wheelbase, but are able to recover from excessive angle slides much easier. Then later on down the line, about the time he had to “disappear” the AWS T-180 cars started getting used.

@dietwatrr

Жыл бұрын

@@williamhutchins479 1. Mach 4 also had the same kinda cockpit as the mach 6 2. The mach 6 blew up at fuji the mach 5 was used in casa cristo

@alessandroditerlizzi569

Жыл бұрын

@@williamhutchins479 no? At Fuji Helexicon Speed was driving a T-180, and it's clearly visible even the number 6 on his car Plus, only T-180 cars can drive on those types of race tracks

I have been doing the same exact research for so long now! Speed Racer is my childhood favorite movie and I want to make race cars like the T-180s one day. Please keep on making these videos!

@kdtvgaming5907

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@Southstartrill92

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@RollerCoasterPsycho

2 жыл бұрын

lol its crazy how this movie effected us, one of the main reason i wanted to become an engineer

@IamPabloBautista

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you do bro not only will you be hella rich, ill be able to watch cars going insane speeds fighting each other

@ccaptaindavid

2 жыл бұрын

@@IamPabloBautista Thank you my man. I have just graduated high school and I am working on designs for these cars. I am planning to come back here for help. I can do great things on my own but with a team, we can accomplish WONDERS.

if i could i would totally invest in this project to get us speed racer style racing XD

@KudosK42

3 жыл бұрын

We need Power Cell engines and T-180 axels.

@Danilio.

4 күн бұрын

Me too

@pokebreeder2517

4 күн бұрын

@@KudosK42 yeah

This made me a more fan of speed racer so thank you

Hey Im definitely on board with this project! I would love to help construct a car like the t-180s speed racer has always been my favorite

Finally i find someone who is talking about this

While AWS would improve the car’s turning circle, wider turns would still be more or less the same, as the car is still limited by the grip of its wheels. T-180s differ in the fact that they have both traditional wheel-driving engines, AND jet engines, and use their AWS to turn the jet engine in any direction to help push it through turns. You can even see the origin of the jet-drifting technique in that clip of the Mach 4 - Thunderhead is made of steel instead of asphalt, which makes it slippery; instead of relying on massively reduced grip, it was faster to forgo grip altogether and use the car’s jet engine to steer. T-180s double-dip and get the best of both worlds by maintaining wheel grip AND using jet steering. If you want to simulate this in KSP, I’d suggest either putting a rocket on a servo instead of the wheels, or maybe do something with RCS ports.

@CaptainPineapples

2 жыл бұрын

Huh, might look into that. I figured grip was the limiting factor but I’m not good enough at dynamics to show it mathematically. Thanks.

Watching this makes me feel like I'm watching a modernized Speed Racer episode.

The T-180 all wheel driving. If brought to life just like from the film, It would change all form of racing forever, including Nascar, formula 1 racing forever.

the cars in 3:14 im fairly certain are not all wheel steering as they are not t180s

I am on board with this idea... I love how we see examples of traditional(the Casa Cristo Rally, they are essentially sport rally cars with *ILEGAL* combat modifications) and select scenes of semi-traditional(all the scenes the Mach 4 is on screen, which makes sense, T-100s like the Mach 4 were an early example of T-180 technology), however it seems to use the thrust of the cars to assist with turns(stopping and starting again in quick succession can put you out of a spin in the tie-in video game, in fact that game includes examples of other physics, there are only a few places on the track where it is safe to slow to a complete halt, any negative angles and your car falls off the track)

3:13 while this is definitely a childhood dream of mine that I hope one day comes true, I think this 4 wheel system only applies to T-180 types, true or otherwise, such as the Mach 4 and Mach 6 (although from what I can tell the Mach 4 isn't a true T-180 , as I think it's a T-100, and doesn't seem to use all 4 wheels, but an early variation of the system since it is from an older generation). The Mach 5 and shooting star featured in the timestamp are not T-180s, to my knowledge, but rather just appear to be a typical sports car(or at least don't appear to have the same all-wheel steering system as a T-180), and therefore don't really make for a good example to illustrate the steering mechanism being proposed. Unless ofc they're just being used as a parallel to formula1 vehicles in real life. Slight nitpick, I know, but still. Hope this happens one day!

Man, I hope this kind of car becomes a reality one day. I would very much like to drive something like this. Speed Racer, here we come!

Damn, 3 years too late. I was looking for this and was hoping Id find someone who did it and didn't realize the video was 4 minutes.

i was waiting for a video line this for years !!! make it ral men 👏🏽👏🏽

ist been ages since i saw any relevet video to speedracer 2008. lOVE IT!

For all of you who doesn’t know. The Mach 6 sound effect is a Saleen s7 (naturally aspirated) sound( listen to the revs and then listen to and S7

oh my god, how have I not seen this before, how perfect

The Mach 5 honestly should have been the focus of the film. I think the film would have been even more amazing if that had been done. That being said, the Mach 6 is a pretty snazzy machine, and I like the concept of the T-180 automobile!

Man, you not alone in this.

Not me crying out in joy while watching this, great video man!!! One thing we need to consider for race applications is that fact that with these sharper turns, wouldn’t the forces acting on the driver be far greater than before?

Aug 2023 - I remember the Speed Racer series as a kid in the 60s. Absolutely yes go for it!! Maybe hook up with like-minded people like mechanics, a car engineer, toy designers, people that like the concept and are not afraid to try to create something new …. like a research and development program. Best of luck!

Monster trucks also have button or switch control rear steering. Just to add that in

My personal thought process on the T-180 cars in Speed Racer is that the cars back wheels function more like caster-wheels, where they can freely rotate to follow the direction of the car when you steer beyond the slip-angle. If you look at the vehicles like the Mach 4 and the Mach 6 the wheels look like they are clamped to the car by what appears to be vice grips. And similarly to how drift-tuned cars can use the handbrake to enable a drift it's not impossible to draw the conclusion that T-180 cars have a lever that enables this caster-wheel like drift.

I would encourage research into the thrust vectoring that explains the mach 4 lacking a turning rear wheel (but still has some enhanced suspension, perhaps to more directly control the rear wheels?) And the effects it may have on a vehicle with a t-180 style rotational steering wheel, perhaps even in regards to braking, and, keep in mind that these cars had ridiculously high banking for the turns, so they likely go much faster than a formula one car.

Love the video but for the T-180 to pull of the turns the driver takes advantage of the jet exhaust port to propel the car through the turns. And not just an AWS system but it would also need independent suspension to safely pull of the flips and rolls and have the aerodynamics of an F1 car to drive on those amazingly outrageous tracks safely as well. I think it’s possible but very difficult

speed racer was ahead of its time, and truly over hated. watch it again & you'll be impressed.

@Danilio.

Ай бұрын

I'm so glad it's free to watch on KZread. It's probably my favorite film of all time.

four wheel steering is already widely used and very effective, infact you know the GTR R34 was a prime example of such. the wheel change is not to the same magnitude as what you are imagining however due to the complexity of the build and the danger of turns. at high speeds the steering sensitivity is extremely high and with 4 wheel steering it would very dangerous compared to convential steering options.

I don't know if this is still a project of yours but a similar drive train to AWS is used in robotics such as in the FIRST Robotics Competition (FRC). In FRC that kind of drive train is called a swerve drive train as it gives each wheel rotational and speed freely to each wheel individually. There's also crab drive which is like swerve drive but all of the wheels rotate together as they're physically connected to one another

@CaptainPineapples

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe we could reach out to a team with one and ask them to do a quick test of cornering speeds and compare the times between AWS and 2 wheel.

speed racer is my favorite movie, this is great

@Danilio.

Ай бұрын

Agreed

Hey please keep this up because now days tech like reward steering from being able to strafe along banked corners or corner quicker is cool. (Can imagine the G-Forces) but yea I encourage you to keep this up

Amazing video, keep it up!

10/10 vid highly recommend

Let’s go man! I would also like to see this outcome of this project and also what body you would like to use :)

Please continue with this series of videos PLEASE!!1! qwq

I know the video is almost 2 years old but I wanted to point out that the shot of my the 3 cars drifting around during the casa Cristo race, those were not t-180 cars. Their cars were standard

I will be looking into your career with great interest.

Now all we need is to build a fusion reactor for the engine, or maybe one of the turbine engines

Come back to it, you are the only one who can make it possible or into a reality

i like how serious and funny this video is dear god

Suggestion: You're going to want multiple driving profiles with proportional control goaling for each mode, so you can slip from mode to mode in a set of blended state-machines. Doing that, the gains would be bonkers. Even moreso is if you then pair this with a rocker-bogie assembly.

am waiting man!!!! next one

also according to the tie in game for the speed racer movie, the cars hit an averaege speed of 400 mph

I remember being a kid wanting to create cars like these and race them

Please keep this up 🆙

Nice!

Amazing, hope to see more about it.

You get no traction at high speed if the turning angle in the rear is too high. You want the rear to bury into the ground not glide outward. If the professionals aren’t already doing it then there’s a reason man. Love your curiosity and engineering mind!!

Btw thought i should say my thanks, found this vid a year or so ago. And made me find the nasa car and could even add it to my speed racer playlist.

Trying to make thsi is main assembly. Hopefully this will help me program it properly

Nice

3:09 F1 in Monaco...zzz 3:14 Speed Racer! YES!

@keith0keith01

4 ай бұрын

Those cars were not all wheel steering unlike the T-180s such as the Mach 6 and 4 the rally cars have somewhat super durable tires

I’m hoping when I’m a adult this technology is perfected or at least made to be fully used I would definitely make it look like the Mach 6

This was used in the NISSIAN skyline R32 but it's very suttle

I have issues getting the cars to turn with crab steering. It always starts strafing instead of flicking the body out

The flip car in Fast and Furious has rear wheel steering.

Bro they need to make a Speed Racer game for current gen

Man, mach 4 and 5 don't have all wheel steering. Only the mach 6 has.

The Rivian and future electric cars will likely be able to do more substantial 4 wheel steering.

You really need to look at the flip car in fast and furious 6. They used all wheel steering in a real functioning car

Any updates on your project?

Incrível

Im all for whatever gets me into a T-180 race the fastest lmao

3:11 These cars have front wheel steering

Now add a booster

the gtr r34 had something similar to this in the freaking 90s

Nissan Gtr 2002 4 wheel steering, AUDI,MB, and alot of others are just now using 4 wheel steering but no,one as good as Speedracer!!!

umm yeah i am really late to do this comment but the video clip u showed in 180degree turn (3:12) isnt all wheel turn

Hey Dude, Not sure if you remember the name "Tim.Tams" But I was in JPG A couple years ago lol.

@CaptainPineapples

2 жыл бұрын

Good times man…

eyyyy another person who wants to make the t180 real

Only the Mach 6 is a T-180. The Mach 5, and others involved in Casa Cristo are all standard driving cars.

I think ive found my people... So when are we getting started on constructing an actual All Wheel Steering project? ☕️🗿

Im actually so sad that speed racer type of racing isnt a real sport, and I keep waitinf for Speed Racer 2

Even Herbie at one point was rigged with all wheel steering

T-180 racing should be real because we are advancing very well

Still going?

You might be on to something 👀

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I would be careful if we’re you do to it having so much potential in racing cars many companies might think otherwise

Invest in some stock make millions and found the nrw new racing league cuz the wrl exist make some tracks and when i turn 18 ill be a racer

@majaetf

3 жыл бұрын

Heck make a discord server im new to stuff like this but i can draw up some ideas or blue prints based of cars from the movies

@majaetf

3 жыл бұрын

Make tunderhead in San Diego its my home town

am besten mit Elektromotoren !!!!!

If nasa hasn't done it yet, why haven't you?

What ever happened to this project?

speed racer rally cars dont have all wheel steering

Your science career may be retired in the future just like your esports team if you think those are good drifts.

Dont forget to mention the flip car from furious 6 and its 4ws system. It does the strafe/crab walk like in the movie but in real life!