Will Right Wing Ideology Shape The Future Of The Conservative Party?
Lord Frost, Boris Johnson's former Brexit minister was schooled on why the Tories lost. The pandering to Farage on issues like immigration sunk the Tories. Guto Harri put the Tory peer back in his box of the direction the Conservatives should take.
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Frost is confidently wrong about everything.......
@pault1289
5 күн бұрын
The personification of Dunning-Kruger.
@laxeystu8096
5 күн бұрын
He is a huge non-entity Never won a seat or election of any kind His only record is as a brexit minister, a job he left prematurely
@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw
5 күн бұрын
I won't deny that DK is a common affliction amongst many of the ruling class, it's not a fundamental reason. It goes deeper than that. The "small state" and tax cutting fetish is a central tenet of their "philosophy", even if it entails massive government borrowing, which it does. They are driven by a pure ideology as insane as anything dreamt up by a central committee of Bolsheviks. Combined with the deep anti Europeanism of people like Frost, it was a recipe for disaster.
@nigelsynnott7344
5 күн бұрын
Justifying his nickname of Lord Gormless. Again!
@englishsteve1465
4 күн бұрын
@@pault1289 There's a lot of contenders on the right for that particular crown.
Remember folks there is no such thing as a decent Tory.
@PlutoPhobia-qg6wn
5 күн бұрын
A.t.a.b
@willtricks9432
5 күн бұрын
Harri is just less insane than most Tories, Not sane just less Insane. Frost is a Cult follower and blind to the real world.
@laxeystu8096
4 күн бұрын
@phillydavison I offer you James Arbuthnott (something minor about expenses but let's leave that)
The Brexit clown that all of Europe laughed at .
@davidhoyle6626
5 күн бұрын
He wasn’t born. He was spontaneously created when lightning struck a bucket of vomit outside a pub on the North Circular Road.
@Arltratlo
5 күн бұрын
@@shaucha-vv1xe Johnson, Truss, Sunak, ......................... feel free to insert future Tory PM name!
@Fly_by_Wire
5 күн бұрын
@@shaucha-vv1xeHow is Starmer a Brexit clown like Lord Frost?
@deannilvalli6579
4 күн бұрын
Correction: A Brexit clown that Europe laughed at. Let's not forget about the first Brexit clown- David Davis, and the other Brexit clown, Dominic Raab.
Unelected bureaucrat frost
@chriswood3252
5 күн бұрын
Fraud Lost.
@oitoitoi1
5 күн бұрын
unelected art historian frost*
@andrewtomlinson5237
5 күн бұрын
Having "unelectetd" Cabinet Officers isn't unusual. Starmer has already made three such appointments on his first day. The difference is WHO they are and WHY they are being elevated to the House of Lords. Frost was a Hard Brexit Supporter, so he was elevated, Zac Goldsmith was a friend of Boris, so he got a Peerage, and Cameron had won an election before based on policy rather than personality, which none of the Tory leadership knew a damned thing about, so he got brought back in. None were what you what call "Experts" in the field, but were there to provide the leader with unwavering support. Starmer has made three appointments of experts with no interest in climbing the political ladder, who will tell the Government to get stuffed if the Government ask them to toe the party line. The new Attorney General has already told the government that, legally, they should allow Councils to boycott Israel... imagine Suella Braverman doing THAT to Boris! A better epithet for Frost would be "Greedy Dangerous Lapdog Bureaucrat Frost"
Frost is, and looks, as thick as two short planks.
@Edward-ed1nu
5 күн бұрын
I think you'll find the average plank makes more synaptic connections
@polheg1
5 күн бұрын
@@Edward-ed1nu Inclined to agree. 🤣
He broke cover and told it as it was. It's all too late. Lord Frost is a total disgrace and should never be in any form of public service. A complete waste of rations and a total failure, and he demeans the title bestowed on him. Disgrace!
It’s a crime when fools like Frost enjoy so much power and privilege
@chriswood3252
5 күн бұрын
He made an arse of negotiating Brexit as our very own incompetent unelected bureaucrat.
@Holliethedog
5 күн бұрын
LORD Frost, I'll remind you! One of the Tory "Big Beasts". And an ignoramus, too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
@lindabastable3021
5 күн бұрын
If only it were.
@steveemmett-inotherwords
4 күн бұрын
@@lindabastable3021 aye
Frost was one of the laziest ministers ever.
@jstoner9029
5 күн бұрын
Yep.
@martinmcdonald4207
5 күн бұрын
David mince for brains Davis shares that title with Frost.
@davefave4351
5 күн бұрын
@@martinmcdonald4207 We're not all the same you know...
@vinylrulesok8470
5 күн бұрын
That's a big call when you've got the likes of Coffey and Raab setting the standard. But your probably right
@tonyroy8123
2 күн бұрын
@@martinmcdonald4207 Indeed, that D Davis lives in a parallel world.
The Tories HATE paying tax, especially taxes on having more than one Mansion, but didn't hesitate to tax poorer people claiming benefits for having more than one effing BEDROOM!
@indibhart5731
5 күн бұрын
Well said ❤
@gillianslater9227
5 күн бұрын
AND YOU THINK STARMER WON'T.?? GET OUT OF YOUR FANTASY STARMER WORLD.!!!!
@davidgardiner4720
5 күн бұрын
@@gillianslater9227 Evidence for this lazy and stupid cliche? Shouting doesn't make this nonsense any more convincing.
@gillianslater9227
5 күн бұрын
@@davidgardiner4720 NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYONE, THANKS. MY CHOICE, ALSO FREE SPEECH MY CHOICE.IF YOU CAN'T COPE DON'T READ, NO PROBLEM TO ME.!!!!!!
@Turnipstalk
5 күн бұрын
@@gillianslater9227 I'm sorry to read that your made up little world has just had an injection of reality. However, you'll probably get a more favourable response on a website where the less educated congregate. Try the Express. Also, the capslock key stays on all the time. You might want to watch that.
A singular reason for reform of the House of Lords.
@SirAntoniousBlock
5 күн бұрын
A singular reason -for reform of- to abolish the House of Lords.
Frost is another reason WHY this country is broken. NO we dont all "want tax cuts" we want an NHS, we want a police force, we want an education service.You are totally out of touch, YOU ARE A TORY!.
Reform are not a political party they are a business
@gillianslater9227
5 күн бұрын
ANY PARTY IS A BUSINESS.100%!!!!
@julianking4793
5 күн бұрын
You are correct. They have been specifically funded to achieve certain goals. Despite what the ignorant Caps lock loony says.
@gillianslater9227
5 күн бұрын
@@julianking4793 THINK THE LOONY YOU SUNSHINE, LOOK IN THE MIRROR, FRIGHTENING. YOU WON'T BULLY ME.100%. FANTASY STARMER LOVER.!!!!!
@stephendudman1422
5 күн бұрын
Reform Party (UK) Ltd.
@jstoner9029
5 күн бұрын
@@gillianslater9227your caps-lock on your keyboard seems to be stuck. it’s a matter of fact that reform are a limited company.
Frost is hilarious. He’s that particular kind of thick person that believes they are clever. The fact that someone like him can make it to government and House of Lords is a terrible reflection of the Uk’s political system. In a normal democracy (with PR), a party that supports his ilk would be humiliated in an election.
@cerip2
5 күн бұрын
They just were.
@hvhvgitaar
5 күн бұрын
@@cerip2 But not in 2019
@jbock2753
5 күн бұрын
Unfortunately PR will just deliver even more maniacs, that's why we don't have it. The fundamental concept of PR is great, the actual reality would be a disaster. People like Andrew Bridgen or George Galloway would do well under PR and that should be enough of a reason to avoid it.
@andrewcooney2387
5 күн бұрын
Frost is a fool yes, but you will also look at the army of migrants who will tare your country too shreds, just like they are destroying Ireland
@Cam-mo7gq
5 күн бұрын
@@jbock2753Disagree. Whilst PR gives fringe elements a look in, the coalitions gravitate towards the centre.
I'm agreeing with Gutto Harri.. ... I think I need a lie down!
@martinmcdonald4207
2 күн бұрын
@@supernoodles91 He, like all grifters will change in favour with the powers that be, who ever they might be .
This fool's opinion is of no interest. He completely fu#ked the whole sorry mess of brexit and then walked away. Why should anyone care what he thinks?
@amcc5887
5 күн бұрын
Totally agree with you,why why why is he still getting air time, media reform needed immediately and get them right wing media clipped,,
@oitoitoi1
5 күн бұрын
telegraph readers care apparently...
@alanbradley9621
4 күн бұрын
Trouble is that he gets into things like question time with ultra right wing rhetoric and although unelected attempts influence which BBC permits. I feel very concerned about his constant meddling. Another argument for abolishing House of Lords. Put there to cause trouble so I imagine.
Hopefully the Tories will go in the direction that Frost suggests - then they will be out of power forever. How he thinks they can win an election by serving up more ‘Tory’ is inexplicable 😂
@paologat
5 күн бұрын
Don’t underestimate Labour’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and the short memory of voters. Should Starmer become complacent, or should the left wing of the party oust him for “not being socialist enough”, Tories will be back in 2029.
@matthewhendy5785
4 күн бұрын
@@paologatI think Kier Starmer is vastly underestimated.
Simple elegy: the Tories pissed in our soup, and we drank it.
@BrianMcGuirkBMG
5 күн бұрын
...and they never made any soup!
@markhickey9539
4 күн бұрын
Speak for yourself mate. I certainly didn't drink it. Inevitably got splashed with it. We all did.
Who could forget the whisky salesman
@Zippipus
5 күн бұрын
About as useful as a landlord who drinks his own beer!
@Turnipstalk
5 күн бұрын
I thought that was Ribbentropp...oh no, that was champagne. How did that turn out?
Brexiters didn't want unelected bureaucrats doing trade deals but Lord Frost did the deal with the EU
@tonyroy8123
2 күн бұрын
Brex-shyters are a brain dead club!
Unelected bureaucrat
So many fantasy issues, from Brexit, to Stop the Boats, to immigration, to "the deficit," to "the national debt," Austerity, etc. Incredible, really, how much exists purely in the imagination
I'm sorry but when was Frosty right about anything? Failing upwards as a career.
@patchso
5 күн бұрын
Yep. Failing upwards, a perfect example, and the modus operandi of the Johnson government. We need to hold these people to account, before our country can move on.
Brilliant Challenge Bravo Guto ❤
Frosty the No-man
@Turnipstalk
5 күн бұрын
The Abominable No-man, please.
Just how far to the right will the Tories lurch? Will we see their leader standing on a dias while their baying supporters march past throwing books on a fire while saluting their leader? The Tories almost came to this once and Reform UK ltd would dearly love to bring this nightmare back
@user-nf4zh2vj5e
5 күн бұрын
they are oswald mosley black shirts and proud.
@patchso
5 күн бұрын
It’s not impossible. Just look across the Atlantic.
If you truly do not want the conservative party back in power then encouraging Lord Frost to speak and influence the Tories is the way to go.
Why is Frost even being given air. OOPS i mean air time.
@lizdocherty3067
5 күн бұрын
Do these people get paid for being on these programmes ? Serious question.
@markhickey9539
4 күн бұрын
There was no need to correct yourself!🤠
The three experts on eu trade. David Davis. Lord Frost. And the Infamous Boris Johnson. No equivalent Dublin Agreement. No passport for British musicians. 😂 The boat phenomenon exasperated by Brexit.
@Holliethedog
5 күн бұрын
You're right, but the word is 'exacerbated'.
If the right wing were what people wanted why do we have labour in office? Most people understand if you want an NHS, a good security system and all the rest of it. If costs money. The tried and tested way of doing this is via tax. Only the affluent classes dont want to pay for anything. Those with more modest incomes get it. You cant run a country with no money. Thats what tax is for. Many people whilst not jumping for joy at the cost would rather pay more tax and have a NHS that is fit for purpose and able to care for people when they need it. Tax cuts are not a priority for most people. People want services that can an fo the job. Not services on their knees with no money. How many operations or nurses would the money spent in the Rwanda farce pay for?
@gillianslater9227
5 күн бұрын
SO YOU WANT NHS TO CARE FOR ALL ILLEGALS BEFORE HARDWORKING BRITISH TAXPAYERS AND DENTISTS THE SAME.? BECAUSE THATS WHATS HAPPENING NOW.? WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CAN'T COPE ITS ALL THE EXTRA PEOPLE. BUT FORGOT YOU LIVE IN FANTASY WORLD WITH STARMER.!!!!!!
@patchso
5 күн бұрын
Spot on!
Why is he even being platformed. No credibility whatsoever.
Lord Thicko Gormless.
Oh look an unelected bureaucrat. I thought Brexiters hated those.
Good evening Max and all here. Frost has no shame. It's a common among right wing "thinkers"😡😡😡
As an avowed apologist for Boris Johnson, Guto Hari is just as vile as Frosty.
@aeronpreston9213
5 күн бұрын
Bradwr yw Guto.
@patchso
5 күн бұрын
Maybe, but in this instance he is correct.
@jackdubz4247
4 күн бұрын
@@patchso Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
The fact that there are still "lords" in 2024 is a disgrace.
No shame! The self entitled arrogance of Frost is breathtaking !
Frost signed the APPALLING Brexit deal and got a fuc*ing Knighthood for it.
This guy had so much power without accountability or facing a single ballot.
Bit ripe that was a key advisor in Boris’ govt when pushing for a hard Brexit. Suddenly when it no longer matters he’s found some some backbone - too little, too late for these enablers.
@robertallardice8119
5 күн бұрын
Well said!
Chinese proverb: “Beware of the beast that you ride, it will end up devouring yourself.” And that’s exactly what has happened to the conservatives.
Hear hear Brilliant Speech Guro 👏👏
@starmersbarber
5 күн бұрын
Unfortunately Mandy, I can't give this Guto Harri any credit for anything after his contribution to the Johnson s***show. He is permanently toxic to me,
He is a lier and should be in jail !
@user-nf4zh2vj5e
5 күн бұрын
id jail him as a traitor for life no parole.
Conservative principals? I didn't think Tories had principals
@ptidunne
5 күн бұрын
that's principles
@SteveDorrans
5 күн бұрын
Their principals appear to be BoJo and that awful cruella woman
@paologat
5 күн бұрын
Conservatives indeed have sound principles, such as personal responsibility and fiscal discipline. Unfortunately, the last few real conservatives were purged from the Tory Party last decade.
Why is he a lord, nobody has even questioned that
@normanchristie4524
5 күн бұрын
A Johnson Toady.
@stevebinning977
5 күн бұрын
It was a gift from Bozo the Murder Clown and should be considered as worthless for that reason.
pudding face…we remember him well. did not miss one buffet in Brussels.
Can you imagine FARTage's parents? What must have been like to bring up that most obnoxious and nasty child? Are they still alive? (or he killed them 😉) Can we ask them?
@thefrecklepuny
5 күн бұрын
Ever watched 'The Boys From Brazil'? This explains Rees Mogg as well.
@Turnipstalk
5 күн бұрын
Why do you think he was packed off to board at Dulwich?
Credit where it's due Guro hits the nail on the head ❤
@Lynnefromlyn
4 күн бұрын
For once. Usually he is a …expletive…
Frost is emblematic of Johnson not choosing advisers and ministers on the basis of ability and experience but instead on ghe basis of loyalty to him.
6.5 million people still voted for the Tories. 4m for reform. Disgusting
@markhickey9539
4 күн бұрын
Education is the key. Some, however are beyond help. Myopic right wing Media consumption, coupled with the sort of arrogance that being "World Leading" at everything brings, results in a country voting to impose economic sanctions on itself. Way to go Britain!
Frost should be locked up for treason
To be fair, the Tory party move to the far right started in a major way when Johnson purged the parliamentary party in advance of the 2019 election. A considerable number of the new Tory intake were basically individuals whose views were more in line with UKIP than traditional Tory values. The policies promoted by successive Prime Ministers reflected the takeover of the Tory party by the far right. To such an extent that you make a case that recent Tory administrations were more right wing that Thatchers governments.
Wow Harri absolutely smashed him, pretty cool.
At least he put Lord Gormless back in his box. We have suffered Cameron and Osborne's sociopathic austerity followed by a clown show of serial incompetence.
Confucius says, man who is a fool but thinks he is a wise man is indeed a fool.
Maximilien's argument in this video is spot on.
David Frost the long forgotten son that Ann Widicombe never wanted😂
lord fraud of brexit lardass frost.
Lord Frost the unelected bureaucrat!
Right Wing fetishist 😂
Look a Frost sitting there smirking to himself, what a repulsive individual.
Never in the field of human history has someone been so wrong, so often, and with such confidence as Baron Frost.
Remember Lord Frost? To be perfectly honest, no. Should I?
Mellted Candle Lord Frost
That was an incredible comment he was totally correct
Da iawn Guto! Well said Guto!
@justinquinn5780
5 күн бұрын
Di awn 🏴👏
Can the reform of House of Lords start with the removal of pointless waste of spaces like Lord Frost
The Tory party is going to move politically to the right of centre, if you assume that the Austrian with a Charlie Chaplin moustache was "centre"
Boris said, "Get Brexit Done!" Lord Frost replied, "Where do I sign." Job Done.
Actually, Lord Gormless is his official title.
Did David Frost have dirt on Boris or organise his "affairs"? Because Boris really really helped his career. And now Lord Dave is set for life.
The damage this fool has done to our country should be worthy of a jail sentence not a peerage!!
Bang on . This entire video sums up exactly where the Conservatives have completely lost there way .
Frost the melting candle. Unelected bureaucrat.
Surely the root word of "ideology" is "idea". And that is where Lord Gormless has severe supply issues.
The Labour Party did not increase its share of the vote, but the conservative vote collapsed. Conservative voters did not go to the Labour party, but they went straight to Reform. The entire last 14 years of conservative rule obviously persuaded almost half of Conservative voters that the solution is fascism. And that’s what they voted for. So what Johnson and Truss achieved was to split the Tory party into those who are centre right Conservative and those who have become seriously right wing.
The Reform vote at this election represents around 8.5% of the entire electorate. If I was giving any party advice I’d recommend trying to appeal to the other 91.5%.
@aliancemd
5 күн бұрын
With that same logic, 80% of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour, so you would have to go opposite to Labour to get the other 80%. Sorry but it’s just idiotic logic to count non voters as your reason why you should go opposite to any party’s platform
@pete1942
5 күн бұрын
@@aliancemd I didn’t say Labour were the answer. I just said Reform we’re not. If you want the majority of the electorate, don’t copy the party that gets less than 10%. You know the subject of this video was Frost recommending the Tories copy the party that got less than 10%?
@BrianMcGuirkBMG
5 күн бұрын
Corbyn got a higher percentage for labour of those who voted in 2019 than Labour did this time and even higher than that in 2017.
Max, the Tories are not a conservative party anymore, that ship has long sailed! They are fascists with decorum and nothing more.
The leopards are eating each other's faces :)
Max. R. is completely correct here.
Rishi Sunak had to call the election at that time because he didn't know what to do to make things right. Totally out of his depth even though the mess is his own.
Why couldn't Gito say this before election
And many believed these Tories "WERE BORN TO LEAD". It will take a massive effort to undo the harm they have done to our country.
it's the Tufton street, Kabul
Trust me Max,if (please forbid) Farage ever got into power the right to challenge and question him would be very short lived.
You are 100% correct.!
The caveat that Farage and his party added makes his issue immigration moot. Making the exception on immigration of healthcare workers which is a large amount of visas issued tells us he never had the intention of having a net zero immigration policy but instead the whole ‘stop the boats’ rhetoric just becomes more racist in tone.
Frosty the clown Couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag
Lord - Someone or something having power, authority, or influence; a master or ruler. 😮
Great Clip Thanks Max ❤
The smugness that comes with being gifted his position FOR LIFE.
Frosty the dunno man put back in his box ❤
Spot on
Well said Gutto!
It was worrying to hear the Labour candidate in Clacton say he felt intimidated during campaigning Worried but far from surprised
Guito Hari and David Frost are so far up Johnson’s backside they can’t see the Sun or smell the coffee.
Frosty the no-idea man
Harri is a decent figure. Down to earth, and honest
Lovely chap, Lord Frost! Negotiated a very good deal for us in the EU🤭.
Nigel is not in power. YET!
The inevitable split, those who think the Conservatives lost because they had moved too far from the centre and those Tories that think they lost because they were not right wing enough.