Will Electric Cars Spark Pakistan’s Economic Boom? | Dil ki Baat 019
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Hello folks, welcome back to another episode of Dil ki Baat. Tonight, we are talking about how electric cars can solve Pakistan’s economic crisis, the potential to enhance job creation, reduce electricity costs and boost exports. Don’t forget to share your thoughts in the comments!
00:00 Introduction
01:39 Discussing Pakistan’s Economic Problems
01:54 Lack of Job Opportunities
02:28 Manufacturing in Job Creation
04:13 Electricity Challenges
07:08 Why is electricity expensive?
09:09 The 4 Major Charges
11:13 Why don’t we have a solution?
11:55 Pakistan’s Total Car Usage
12:19 My Hypothesis
14:00 The Death Spiral
14:50 How can we increase consumption?
15:20 Imagining Pakistan's All-EV Future
17:18 The Benefits
19:29 What problems can it solve?
22:15 Realistic Steps: Way moving forward?
22:54 Imposing Carbon Tax
25:13 Taxing Luxury EVs
26:47 Actionable Steps
30:21 My Learnings & Masterclass
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Muzammil came up with a great solution.Replacing electric vehicles from combustion ones will solve a lot of problems of Pakistan lower imports, lower pollution, capacity charges will be widely shared which will eventually lower the cost of electricity production but we cannot ignore the following problems with owning an electrical vehicle : 1.Low travelling range 2. Not readily available(charging needs time, while combustion vehicles are always ready to use) 3. In extreme warm weather batteries will under perform. 4. Lack of charging stations. 5. Lack of technicians to work on such vehicles. 6.Lack of locally made spare parts which will eventually increase imports while sourcing these parts.
@cinematicvibes8873
29 күн бұрын
Yes this is also a problem
@pastewax-pk
28 күн бұрын
Basically, charging infrastructure is the issue for which only government can take initiative like it happened in rest of the world. Till then, we can safely use them in cities. You usually need charging stations for intercity travelling. There are people who owned EVs for 3~4 years and never visit any charging station in city driving. Technicians and parts will be available only when any company will launch local assembled EV. Right now, the only EV that will come as CKD is Seres 3.
@Caddy804
28 күн бұрын
Wrong, for capacity payments they should install Bitcoin mining rigs right at the source and mint bitcoin
@HaroonRasheedMuhammadRasheed
28 күн бұрын
I have a question. If pakistan has potential to fulfil power requirements then why we are facing load shedding ?
@pastewax-pk
28 күн бұрын
@@HaroonRasheedMuhammadRasheed It's due to electricity theft. Due to theft, electricity could not be provided to everyone are paying the bills. This is incompetence on government level that they could not stop it till now.
The main problem in Pakistan is that there is no transmission capacity. Transmission capacity is less than production - Transmission capacity is only 22000 MW ---> There is no electricity in many places and there is extreme load-shedding in some places in Pakistan. There was no planning done when these IPPs were set up by the previous governments. I believe they received kickbacks and commissions on this. Even if we run all power plants, this electricity will be wasted as it will not be utilized.
@waqarahmed467
29 күн бұрын
Damn true... Garmi ma baar baar light band hoti ha kiu k transmission lines cant hold this much load
@BilalKhalid9256
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, you are very right. I think we can increase a lot of our electricity consumption by just giving it to more people and decreasing load shedding. I live in south Punjab, and in our city, the current daily load sheading is around 4 to 8 hours. So, if we eliminate load shedding and provide electricity to remote areas by upgrading our transmission infrastructure, we can pretty much solve the capacity payment issue. Although I like Muzamil's idea of electric cars and bikes, I think it takes more time than he anticipated. Of course, in order to effectively execute this shift, we can start working today, and it will be very beneficial to us.
@ZeeBro-dq7gv
29 күн бұрын
Exactly, this is the comment that I was looking for. One can as, if our capacity of production is higher than our consumption than why is there so much load-shedding.
@mohsinmuazzam2835
29 күн бұрын
Solar might be a solution to this because people will not be tied to the national grid.
@pastewax-pk
28 күн бұрын
My understanding is we have excess electricity, but the load shedding happens due to electricity theft.
This was so wonderful, hopeful and uplifting. Even if nothing happens, Muzamil you are earning eternal reward for giving hope to people.
Not a bad idea lets think critically. Every problem his its solution. Bravo
The only thing that I disagree with is that electric cars will not require repairs. The correct thing to say would be that they will not require as many repairs as IC (Internal Combustion) car would because they have less parts.
Pakistan agr apni electricity export kry Afghanistan ya Kisi neighbor country ko, tu is sy consumption increase ho skti hai, jesy Uzbekistan export krta hai Afghanistan ko
@umairiqbal2880
29 күн бұрын
فوجیوں نے افغانستان سے تعلقات بھی واڑ دئیے ہیں طالبان "بھارت، سے سب کچھ خرید لیں گے پاکستان سے نہی
@thehussansiddiqui
29 күн бұрын
Issue is the transmission...and Unbalanced security Issues
@manhoosnick
29 күн бұрын
Foji dallay comission lese lenge smuggling ke bagher
@captainhawkrige
29 күн бұрын
Our electricity is soo expensive that no one will buy it, we even import electricity for some areas of Balochistan from Iran..
@qqq2001pk
29 күн бұрын
Pakistan electricity price so expensive it’s un exportable
I appreciate your intent. Major problem for electric powered cars is that how consumers would charge their vehicles, most of the city dwellers live in small houses (without car garage) or apartments where installing chargers is not feasible.
@shahannaqvi9086
29 күн бұрын
charging stations
@samiafahim8495
29 күн бұрын
There are public charging stations. Can be installed in gas stations, shopping centres, at workplaces to facilitate public that can not install charge stations in their homes. There can also be companies solely dedicated to creating charging station networks throughout cities.
@NoumanArif007
29 күн бұрын
@@samiafahim8495 I live in a city where 1/4 of our cars are electric powered, and all these e-vehicles owners have their own charging units. Public charging is only used when they park their cars at work/home/malls or they are enroute to another city/attraction. Not sure, how this would work in PK, but I hope for the best.
@samiafahim8495
28 күн бұрын
@@NoumanArif007 rightt, i think itll have to be the same here. Those who live in houses and have the space for charging stations must install in their homes, those in apartments with dedicated parking lots can install joint stations in there. The rest can use public electric buses ig :)
@samandarkhan2431
28 күн бұрын
if charging becomes super simple, we could even charge from a wall outlet
Really looking forward for the classes.
Sir with dew respect i am Eletroauto ya Mechanic ho in italy. I WORK ON EV apki bat consumition tak tu samj atti.. hea lkn pakistan ki car market me ye nahi possible bcz 1)we need alot of education on eletrical vechiel jo hamre mechanics or mechanical students ko samjne ke lie kamaz 5 se 10 saal ka time period chaie. 2)hamre piyare pakistan me abi tak jo pichle 75+ years se jo cars hea unke parts ka masla hea tu totaly new cars ka kya bane ga. 3)hamre petrol pumps ya petrol mafia onwers ziada tar uncles hea jo in cheezo ko samj hi nahi samkte 4) hamri young genration ko koi sexy sa kam chaie jo wo kr sake un ko sekne ka itna shoke bhi nahi ya wo passion hi nahi jo moje mere fellow colleges me nazr atta 5)EVs ko samjne or samjne ke lie hum kis ki trf jaye as in italy jo ke kaffi devolped country hea idr bari moskil se koi gerage milta jo Evs pe kam karna janta ho 6) jab tak hum ne ye sara mamla samjna hea ya wo Big pic samne ani hea tab bhot late ho jani hea Hamri unit 1000 se 2000 ki ho jani hea or ye sare blah blah ke mamle.. . . ×)(Personal thought)Chwal hi samje is bat ko lkn agr hum pe Agr abi koi dictator ajye ya koi asi personality jo ke hume dande se Evs pe shift karde ya dande ke zor par in production houses ko band kre ya in se koi deal kare tu maybe we can survive until 2050 as per Tbh..❤
@Biyasdiary
29 күн бұрын
Ap Italy ma bith kr agr ak mechanic hain it doesn't mean you have authority and sense... apka pura comment kfai chawal without basic knowledge and understanding of things... nahi krty tu acha huta
@TheDesiWanderer
29 күн бұрын
“Dew Respect” 😂
@hasanjamshaid3312
28 күн бұрын
There are many graduate electric engineers without job in their field. There is a big potential for them.
@hasanjamshaid3312
28 күн бұрын
Further we already have huge number of solar electricity producers, they have extra free units to charge electric cars at their own premises.
@syedmohsin816
28 күн бұрын
Han to bhai Wapis ajao na, ap jese or bhi Eletroauto Mechanic hain, Rahi baat spare parts ki, EV ki maintenance bohot kam hai.
what an incredible break down of policy Thank you so so much for this information
zbrdast muzamil bhai, ap ka urdu zuban ko farogh dena dekh kr dil ko bhut rahat mili
Very well thought out hypothesis. Also, loving the direction your videos are going now. Keep up the good work.
Muzammil came up with a great solution. Replacing electric vehicles from combustion ones will solve a lot of problems of Pakistan lower imports. This is tested in Pakistan before with CNG when it came it's consupmtion was increased by 100%.
@quonxinquonyi8570
28 күн бұрын
Oil is still cheap if you compare the production cost of battery with oil….electric vehicles look feasibly good coz western govts have given an artificial subsidy on it to increase its production and sales coz in long run evs will turn out to be more cost inefficient when fifty percent of fuel based cars will be replaced….moreover you need a whole lot infrastructure from transmission to charging station to power grids if want to implement this ev policy effectively
I think we can increase a lot of our electricity consumption by just giving it to more people and decreasing load shedding. I live in south Punjab, and in our city, the current daily load sheading is around 4 to 8 hours. So, if we eliminate load shedding and provide electricity to remote areas by upgrading our transmission infrastructure, we can pretty much solve the capacity payment issue. Although I like Muzamil's idea of electric cars and bikes, I think it takes more time than he anticipated. Of course, in order to effectively execute this shift, we can start working today, and it will be very beneficial to us.
You missed the issues with transmission. I don't think our grid has capacity to handle increased load.
@GVisionnn
29 күн бұрын
You are right we produce more electricity than we need but we can only transmit half of that
@mahasinirfan4206
29 күн бұрын
This literally destroys the whole hypothesis Muzammil built in the video, would want to see his reply to this
@Mrsamar5522
21 күн бұрын
Go for solar then please be creative is trah ki baton se hum yhin rhyngy jhan hum kharay hain aj
Great Suggestion. Suneel Munj of Pakwheels also suggested conversion of all bikes into electric to reduce precious dollars spent on fuel imports. Conversion of cars is fairly expensive and unsuitable for long distance travel.
Phot brilliant solution diya ha ap na,well done.
Once a man said, " in me se zyada tr log prhy likhy b nai hain or na e yeh Koshish krty hain prhy likhny ki😂😂"
@muhammadsufyian7573
27 күн бұрын
bro imran khan nai bhe sahi nahi kiya kuch khass.....
This was a very useful video.
Good one! If govt try to incentivise electricity for the small industries for manufacturing, it’s also make big difference
In India since last 5 years there is a major overhaul and now most of the buses plying on many routes are electric. There are 2 major players in electric buses Tata and Olectra green Tata is also big in electric cars
Good Idea, we need charging infrastructure and also we need to convert the current Motorcycles and Cars to electric. We need custom-made conversion kits.
Amazing analysis.
We here that and as you mentioned Pakistan have excessive amout of energy production but load shading is increased all over Karachi if there is no load shading the debt will decrease
One point to be added: With procurement of new electric vehicle massive scale program of conversion of existing cars MCs into electric after massive scale up of charging station would expedite the process
To the point and solution oriented. Wonderful episode Muzammil bhai. I hope we can all come together and overcome the problems that exist in the implementation part. Also, Great website!!! Lovedddd it
Wonderful Content❤
Love to hear your podcast.
Pls answer my 2 masoomana questions: - If we have so much electricity in surplus, then what is the reason behind load shedding? - Again, if we have so much surplus electricity, then why government announces every now and then, that the markets should be closed by 8 pm or so, they should, on the contrary, encourage that the markets should be open till, say, 12 am ... TIA
Wao what an great idea
PSO,POWERSHELL etc are big companies of pakistan.If whole cars of country were shifted to elecric cars then their numerous petrol pumps will be closed and they will make most of them to stop this plan.
Mashallah you're doing great job muzammil bhai soyi hui qoum ko jaga rahe per at the same time allah apki hifazat bhi kare aapne aaj kafi industries aur ameer logoun ki dhoti kholi he🤠
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Sab electric cars ko charge karny k liye jo electric distribution system chahea woh america k pas b nahi ha. Sir subject matter experts needed otherwise these overarching solutions seem so enticing
Very informative video❤❤❤
great idea sir
Another amazing video ❤❤❤
Geysers, heating equipment and stoves should also be converted.
@Litmusblue
29 күн бұрын
Great point. Any consumer appliance that can be switched from gas/petrol to electric should also be part of that policy. City centers that don't have a transmission issue can be specifically targeted by provincial and municipal governments as well. Someone else also mentioned exporting the excess power, which is a great idea in the mid to long term, although requires significant capital investment. But if the importing country may be willing to share the cost it may make sense.
@tahinator1327
28 күн бұрын
@@Litmusblue Exporting is a brilliant idea
''Renewable Energy'' and ''Energy Storage'' is the only way forward.
Yes very good information
Explained well bro
I agree 100% VERY effective IDIAS you have given in this video bhai
Great job MashAllah
Chinese BYD is much cheaper than Tesla and is no. 1 now
I appreciate it as you work on Collective Wisdom. Islam says after Individuality we should work on Collectiveness.
My counter to your discussion is why would there be a positive climate change if you are using electric cars while producing energy from coal powered or fuel burning electricity generation plants. It's going to be even worst in that case since in case of ICE vehicles fuel energy is converted into mechanical energy and there is only one stage of conversion. While in case of an EV first you burn fuel to generate electricity, feed them through grid and charge your vehicles which will eventually be converted into mechanical energy. Far more losses, meaning to cover the same milage you will be adding more pollution to the environment. Moreover, since our aim is to increase consumption from fuel powered grid generation so we can not justify the above while saying that we will charge our EVs from renewable energy.
@quonxinquonyi8570
28 күн бұрын
Oil is still cheap if you compare the production cost of battery with oil….electric vehicles look feasibly good coz western govts have given an artificial subsidy on it to increase its production and sales but in long run evs will turn out to be more cost inefficient when fifty percent of fuel based cars will be replaced and when these subsidies will be waned off….moreover you need a whole lot infrastructure from transmission to charging station to power grids if want to implement this ev policy effectively and Pakistani govt for decades have struggled to lay roads and he is asking and expecting these Pakistani ruling elite to come up with an ev policy out of nowhere……..talking sense in Pakistan is an actual nonsense
@AwaisFarhad
2 күн бұрын
ICE vehicles have efficiency of 20-25%. Whereas pakistani power plants running on oil have efficiency of 75-85%. Pakistan's lowest quality plants have efficiency of 60%. Transmission losses are usually less than 10%. So the overall efficiency of the system is increased and thus oil import is decreased. Moreover, in ICE vehicles, you can only use petrol or diesel, whereas in EV govt can use hydro or local coal to generate electricity thus decreasing import bill. SO you have options in how to produce electricity whether imported oil, or local coal, hydro or even solar. But the change should start with motorcycles and small city cars, then public transport, and then for personal cars.
Keep doing Muzamil Bhai ❤️
Abhi filhal to Punjab Government ne jo e-Bikes ka kaha tha students ke liye 1000 e-bikes vs 19000 petrol bikes wo bhi cancel kar di hain because of "battery issues" but in reality due to the big-3 or whoever is lobbying them.
good thesis
Great sir
Mazrat k sath Muzamil bhai...is se just kuch companies ki gariyan bik jae ge...lekin hmare msle udr hi rhen ge ...education pe jb tk focus nhi ho ga na apni machinery ho ge...na apni i dustey ho ge....just consumer rhen ge hum..
With EVs maybe we'll resolve capacity charges problem, but it may trigger another issue: LOAD SHEDDING. Because we wouldn't have enough supply to fulfil the demand
You got such a nice research and hypothetical skills. Keep doing these kind of videos to educate people's.
Charging a electric car in Pakistan will cost more than petrol forget maintenance..
hope this video reaches the right people
First grids need to be upgraded of charging points for electrical vehicles need yo be introduced
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Waiting for the Content creating course from January. Looking forward when you will start.
Muzamil Sb, Suki Kinari is a hydel power project. Price of Unit is 12cent which translates into 36 rupees (x price). Now this is tooooo much, as the similar project in India is producing on 4 cent per Kwh. I think we need the market competition in power sector. Everybody should have the freedom of producing and consuming. Govt. should not interfere. They should, rather, come out of those cruel agreements with IPP's.
nice best idea
After watching this, ''I WANT TO GO OFF-GRID''
you should also discus electricity consumer converting to solar panels
@thehussansiddiqui
29 күн бұрын
What if government apply on Tax that and net metering changes to Gross metering ....even if you consume low or no electricity you have to pay the full bill
In your neighborhood We're getting electricity for Rs3/unit for upto 300 units and at maximum of above 700 units the cost goes to Rs7/unit. This is in the state of Haryana.
Bhai like bhi kia hy or comment bhi kr dia hy Or video bhi puri dekhni hy
@MushafMehdi1
29 күн бұрын
wah ji kamal kardiya.. sekha kuch?
@callmefahdi
29 күн бұрын
@@MushafMehdi1 g bhia
make a video on how much boycott is working in Pakistan and giving to local brands. why should we boycott? which aer some brands to boycott and which many not to.
Labor skilled hona bhi zaruri hai, bas cheap hone se kuch nahi hota. Point is eduction me invest karna padega.
@darkforces490
28 күн бұрын
bhai uskay sath industry bhi chaiya skilled labour mu dekhaygi kiya.Industry lagao sub set hojayega.abhi itnay engineers hamaray pass farigh bethay hain jobs na honay ki waja say.
Sir I think in this corrupt system, it is impossible to implement any good policy. Still really happy that you do the policy making work.
100 percent agreement ❤
Welldone bro
i am in my twenties and have been running an agriculture drone business for years growing slowly. trust me ud better be a property dealers early in life buy cool cars and enjoy life rather than making a system, giving it yout all and gaining little to nothing
Brother why EVs? Why cant we make load shedding to zero and all these offices and industry start using electricity instead of solar... & it will reduce the capacity payment
Muzamil you are a true patriot. Muzamil for the President!
bhai capacity charges to kisi hd tk solve ho skta hy but import bill bhi increase ho ga kio k hum nalaik electricity bhi oil se bnaty hy
We cannot fully convert all the vehicles to Electric I think it is impossible but we can introduce them but the thing is that it will need so much investment from companies to invest in charging stations. Moreover capacity charges can be minimized if we export electricity to central Asian countries. Now i can understand why govt was deciding to reduce net monitoring . Solar has gone on a boom in Pakistan as Some people are involved in business and it is also costing us capcity charges so the only solution which I can think of is exporting electricity but again that will have its cost all the infrastructure will have a cost. It is again a spiral . Maanda Phansa han
valid points, but we are not yet ready to transmit. Transmission of electricity is not yet efficient in Pakistan.
One problem posed by this solution is the cost of charging infrastructure. How do you think will we manage that?
Very nice
Great
Conversion ko jb government initiate nh kre. Os waqt thk koi bh change nh aye ga shyd
Load shredding se hamari jaan nahi choti. Kam bijli yeh deliver nahi ker saktay to full lod pay yeh hamay kesay bijli dain gay? Asal sawal to yeh hai. Apka solution to us k bad kahin kaam aiy ga. Thori roshni load shedding pe bhe dalain jab apki bijli aiy. (Kis city main 24 hours uninterrupted bijli mil rahi hai yeh bhe zroor batain)
would say that probably the biggest challenge in introducing electric vehicles in pakistan would be establishing the proper parts supply along with widespread charging stations. For the latter, we can start by putting them mainly in high use areas (motorways, major cities) and go on from there, but each would require a substantial amount of dedication and investment
@quonxinquonyi8570
27 күн бұрын
Ev produces vicious cycle, battery is main component of ev with efficiency still tailing behind combustion engines….but to produce battery and to even operate it , require the such consumption in electricity from national grid that will have disastrous overhead for overly populated country like Pakistan….ev only has one plus point compare to combustion engines is that ,parts replacement will be significantly less in ev because of less carbon emission and less erosion….but ev isn’t a game changer as projected in western media, it will be highly cost inefficient compare to fuel cars….miles per gallon is still an efficient metric than kilometer per kilowatt hour….the later requires high charging time compare to very less tank filling time, the people here aren’t taking into account such factor coz western governments have subsidized ev to increase its production and sales….ev isn’t a game changer coz it still have to follow basic thermodynamics and physics and will create more problems than solutions
Trains and Mass Transit should be converted to Electric as a start.
Good 😊💯
Muzzamil bhai the current government is not ready to do anything,, they just want their own kick backs through construction projects….
To cut short, There is no creator for whose content I wait, with this keenness!
What about solar systems. it is a booming market and the prices are decreasing.where do you put this in the whole equation
i think this is a brilient idea, We can start from motor bikes shifting them to electric bikes, this can be really simple as most of models in Pakistan are primarily cd70 and honda 125 cc. companies like jolta already working on electric bikes, we would not have a problem with electric bikes production. we can build cost effective battery replacing stations where bike riders will come and their batteries would be replaced by fully charged batteries.
Extreme inflation when I hear per unit electricity in. Pakistan rs 75 in India have 6 ruppe per unit
Not a bad solution but these are long term plannings. A PM doesn’t even know if he will be sitting on the chair tomorrow morning and here you are talking about a 10-20 year plan. If fauj lets them complete their term they might think about long term projects.
Sir, if we increase the consumption, i don't think so Pakistan have that dollars to import the oil for IPPS. Mifta Ismail said in the interview, we make loadstadding to just reduce overall oil consumption
Hmm baat tw sahi hai
Sir, I appreciate your valuable suggestions and solutions to overcome the economic crisis, but Pakistan is already experiencing an energy crisis. Okay! Take an example: if the government is willing to implement your suggestions, do you believe the government is able to restructure the entire electricity system? It would be very costly. On the other hand, we are under the pressure of IPPs' agreements and more.
The only caution I have with the introduction of a sound electric vehicle policy is that Pakistan won't necessarily be cutting CO2 emission in absolute terms as the increased Cobalt mining resulting from increased electric vehicle sale will increase Pakistan's contribution to CO2 emissions abroad, the DRC in the case of Cobalt. If the push for electric cars persists in the long run then it will return to haunt us in the near future in the form of climate change. Our contribution currently is negligible yet we are already facing the consequences.
These lobbies are so strong, failure of true democracy is the reason behind this mess, only government with a true mandate can solve these problems and implement policies that to improve the lives of common people but we all know how governments are formed. DHA is more important to them than Pakistan
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Agreed
hello muzammil your content is very informative I'm following your content since 2021 and watching informative podcast my knowledge is very gain and next level only watched your podcast . and you launching fundamental course so can i enrol pre launched?
Muzmamil bhai if we have sufficient amount of energy which we not even using....than y this load shedding thing???
15 trillion ka petrol ka reference kindly share kardein. Also batteries might be the problem because its going to cost us a lot in the long run.
@jawaddsajid
28 күн бұрын
I apologize for writing trillion; it is actually billion.
I agree that power generation companies are capable of producing electricity more than we need but what about those payments which incurred because of transmission and distribution loss? Our infrastructure is not up to the mark and we need to spend more on our infrastructure first then this idea can be applicable.