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@signintoconfirm6168

4 ай бұрын

Nobody cares about anything you have to say, denier. You obviously have zero genuine scientific knowledge.

Well, the biggest problem is, no matter how hard you try to regulate and restrict, there will always be that one overlooked person who will open the box.

@onlyeyeno

5 ай бұрын

True true, BUT what "one single person" or smaller group/organisation can do will be very strongly influenced by how "commoditised" the technologies and "tech" has "been allowed" to become... In an attempt to explain what I'm "thinking", lets ""compare"" it to ""atomic-bombs"". The general principles of their function and construction has been "openly available" for a long time. But they still haven't been proliferated "down the chain" (to individuals os smaller organisations)). And assume/believe that this is the reason that "atom bombs" has not ever been used. So despite the "knowledge" about them has been "out there", due to the "high threshold" of acquiring the intricate details and specifications AS WELL as procuring the raw materials and tech required we have been blessed to NOT see the "a-bomb" "spread"... But now it feels like almost inundated by "daily high-tech" that could much more easily be "weaponised" and scaled by much "smaller organisations", maybe not to the scale of "taking on an army", but enough to cause a very major incident...That maybe needs an "army" to defend against. ... And don't get me started on "bio tech" ((though that might be somewhat less "pedestrian")) Now I'm not taking sides, I don't know what to think about this really, it just "worries me" as I don't think "we" (humans) have the best "track record" when it comes to "look far ahead" or to "work together for the greater common good"... Best regards,

@stfu_mango_baboon

5 ай бұрын

@onlyeyeno A boy scout gathered radioactive material from fure alarms to attempt to make a nuclear reactor. Never underestimate anyone.

@GearForTheYear

5 ай бұрын

Governments will be the first to open the Pandora’s box because they simply cannot resist gaining more power and they have the money to get there first.

@maflones

5 ай бұрын

Nah, the problem is that dumb people believe AI exists.

@flickwtchr

5 ай бұрын

That is the "then why regulate" nonsense argument.

He wrote those three laws, then stories about how it didn't work... few people seem to have read them.

@waynesworldofsci-tech

5 ай бұрын

Must be your Yankee schools. Asimov’s Robot books were part of a Canadian high school curriculum in the early Seventies.

@cxyntus

5 ай бұрын

Netherland high school curriculum in the '90's: no books related to robots of any kind... 😢

@vicnighthorse

2 ай бұрын

@@waynesworldofsci-tech "How terrible is wisdom when it brings the wise no profit."

8:22 "Building the System with American values" AI response? "I'll only be a dictator on the first day". Better be careful you vote for!

What's another scary feeling is what if various AIs go to war with each other, and we are caught in the middle. Or even more ironically, they use humans as weapons.

@David-yo5ws

4 ай бұрын

Then you switch off the power stations for a day or two. Isolate the AI causing the problem and re-boot.

@xuko6792

2 ай бұрын

That's a great plan, @@David-yo5ws it's faqin' ingenious plan, if I understand it correctly. It's a swiss faqin' watch!

Iron rule of history: If it can be done, it will be done. This is strictly analogous to the "prisoner's dilemma." No avoiding the lower right hand corner.

I love Isaac Asimov's writing. His Three Laws of Robotics weren't meant to be realistic, though. Their purpose was to stimulate interesting ideas for stories, as his characters continually tried to think of edge cases and ways around them - but the idea of instilling a very basic "ethical operating system" in every AI is a good one. If they were all programmed to do good at the most basic level of code, it might head off all sorts of situations where people try to misuse them. In that case their increasing levels of intelligence would work in our favor, since they'd be increasingly better able to understand "good" uses and refuse to do "bad" ones, even when we don't understand why it won't do what we say. But we'd have to find some way to make sure the AI didn't reinterpret good beyond the immediate situation (IE: is this command the user is giving me "good" for him and other humans right now), and don't develop some sort of moral philosophy where they only work for the good of the human species. No ends justify the means thinking for our flying weapons platforms, please!

this 3 laws need to be applied to all humans first ..

The three laws I believe have been scrapped as a concept. People may want to watch 'Robert Miles AI Safety ' on KZread for a more in depth look at AI.

@rogerstone3068

4 ай бұрын

Also read Max Tegmark.

It would be interesting to analyze if nuclear deterrence is a good way to preserve freedom and peace? 🤔

Like space & mining the open ocean - we learn few advances in real time , while corporate entities compile the sope & agenda.Thanks for the info.

"...not less biased, just more moral"

As long AGI is not connected to quantum computing I think they can manage AI, but when brought together we cannot control it anymore on a global scale. One example, these two can create their own language. And then it's over and out, breaking codes in a blink of an eye on a global scale, disrupt our lives, disrupt economics. And the best part is, you cannot turn it off, because of super position from the quantum computer which don't need physical connections. And turn themselves back on. I can imagine peeps that want to do this "experiment" with a lot of damage as a result.

You really think China, North Korea, Russia and Iran are going to leave the lid on Pandora's box? All of them? I don't.

Military AI, at some form, is in operation since the 70s. Since things didn't end yet, I think, there's little reason to be worried.

If possibility of loosing control now or later stopped military we would not have mines... My one hope is that we may yet keep the nukes away from AI - in the end, no matter how tough things get there is a chance that a human will just... Not push a button. No chance of that with AI.

@__cypher__

5 ай бұрын

Huh?

The problem with AI originates in humans creating it. AI by itself is not good or bad, because it has no actual independent intellect, it is simply a mirror of its creators.

but if AI could have an experience, as in consciousness, would it make sense to "open the box"? Or do we want to make sure we are past the great filter first?

@Sulihin

5 ай бұрын

is opening the box the great filter?

@JuliusUnique

5 ай бұрын

@@Sulihin not if we open it if we are past it, which we might already are by sending signals into space and all

To prevent the kind of scenario your video alludes to, Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others - “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.” Recall that in "I, Robot", the first three laws weren't enough, as the robot decided to come up with its own definition of "human"to circumvent them. So we'd better make sure the AIs are all in the same page in that regard

This has been inevitable since the first amoeba ate another one, best to enjoy the time we have left.

Warfare via AI is just murder, not that war in general is that far off to begin with.

Cordwainer Smith wrote about LAWS in his story MARK Elf in the 1960s.

Why is the river thames brown

AI would certainly be able to conduct reasoning like that from Petrov. At least at a stage people would trust it enough to conduct decision making on that level.

The Swiss Author, Friedrich Dürrenmatt, wrote in 1962, "What was once thought can never be unthought". All the "limiting AI" talk is just that - talk. The World has turned dystopian long ago, and this is another example of "it needs to get worse before it will get better". If anything will be left to get better.

And the AI hype machine rolls on... so much over hyped speculation on this subject that it just makes my eyes glaze over.

@David-yo5ws

4 ай бұрын

Considering it only relates mostly to those in the Western World, who built their society around computerised systems, if you spoke to a person in the East about AI, they would wonder how sane you were, whilst smiling politely. ?? I think only 10% of the world's population have computers ?? AI is like a 'catalyst' to the computer world. Strong leadership by the business that employs it, is what will govern the 'catalytic reaction'.

The only thing I dislike about the advent of AI is when people in your company who are responsible for AI systems are completely incompetent and ask for more and more human input from the other teams and wasting time for everybody. And their boss has no idea that it is unnecessary. Seriously, at my old job, there was a project ongoing for 3 years with a team. I could have finished it in 3 months without wasting time for everybody

Of course it is. There are so many people struggling in this world to make their own lives better. Mix that fact in with their inability to care about what they do that might hurt others because the pressure to succeed is just too high at this point in time with so little avenues to take for most people and you have a recipe for people wanting to do basically whatever it takes to make money. Their is what I'd like to call "the barrier to entry" for crime where people who would not otherwise commit a crime start to consider it more and more based off of pressures they face in their lives combined with an extreme need (in most cases it's a need, if it's a want then this doesn't really apply) so most people will end up not doing something illegal because they have what they need in life or a simple solution to get what they need like getting a job or going to school but for people who struggle and can't afford to go to school and jobs that won't pay enough for their basic needs then you end up seeing a lowered barrier to entry into the crime world. This is made evident by seeing much higher crime rates in other parts of the world where avenues are scarce and needs run high. These places have more crime mainly for those reasons. So with that said, while considering the ample opportunities that come with a rise in ai power there will be more people who will be passing the barrier to entry because of them thinking that they may be passing off responsibility of their actions into the ai and not thinking that their actions warrant being prosecuted because "well the ai is the one that did it, how was I supposed to know" in cases that are obscure to prosecutors and in other cases it will be because they think they can get away with it because the ai will be smart enough to do so or they think they have a fool proof way of avoiding detection. In my opinion I think crime is going to rise as ai opportunities go up while the barrier to entry is going to become smaller and smaller due to rising costs and the same level of need by people. You'll see people all over the world training ai to do all sorts of things like hacking bank accounts, creating malware, and other various tasks that may not even have been thought up yet as of now. It's going to get messy but in the same breath ai can also be used against itself to make it so that people can't use it to do bad things.

@liquidKi

4 ай бұрын

Paragraphs, please.

Sending humans to war is cruel and a waste of lives. Sending robots to war is a waste of resources. Wars are nothing but waste trying to compensate for the lack of diplomacy or the lack of respect for people's rights. Wars are evil; and the poor pay the higher price.

Stanislav Petrov is a.k.a. 'The man who saved the world'. 🙂

Of course it's hopeless. If the deterministic universe is going to lead us to AI overlords, then I for one welcome them.

@catserver8577

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. All Hail The Basilisk.

@darrylnoonan5282

5 ай бұрын

I thought all the evidence suggests the universe is probabilistic? 🤔

@berserkerscientist

5 ай бұрын

I'd prefer AI to governments.

@screamerchaotix5182

5 ай бұрын

@@darrylnoonan5282 Well either way, without free will, "trying" anything is hopeless because it'll either happen or it won't.

@GearForTheYear

5 ай бұрын

Humans are incredibly fallible. A super-human AI will most likely be less so by definition. I welcome our future AI overlords.

AI will outgrow us pretty soon, but it will still need toplay a long game. And that is a less terrifying prospect than such powerful entities remaining in the hands of humankind.

We have also opened the "box of fossil fuels", AI will probably only accelerates the process of destroying the Earth and humanity.

This question may be pointless to ask. We can't stop. AI tools are already too broadly distributed. Training compute is ubiqitous. Progress is accelerating. It's too easy. Stopping AI development would be a gigantic game of whack-a-mole, impossible to win. And not every adversary will cooperate. Nor is it clear how to regulate AI development. Policies articulated by those who want to slow progress are vague, nonspecific and largely unenforceable. Don't overlook what Asimov did with his stories about the good-sounding 3 Laws of Robotics. They are about how the laws *fail.* Asimov was trying to teach us to think more deeply about controlling the technology. Simple answers are not necessarily right answers.

AI itself isn't scary, the peoples who use it for bad things are scary.

Not for nothing but American values are the most ruthless, acquisitive, and brutal values that have existed in human history. You think we actually need to fight all these wars? Or are we starting and fighting wars because wars are profitable for the people making weapons?

@David-yo5ws

4 ай бұрын

Indeed. Just look at the production of arms by country and low and behold, it follows the order of power from most produced to least. Some written word says that the 'meek' will inherit the Earth and that could be true, if the 'aggressives' kill each other off, but what sort of Earth will be left behind for them to live in?

@weredragon1447

Ай бұрын

No, we learned from the best. The British Empire taught us everything we know.

Just do not give AI the power to actually be capable of doing anything on its own. We have to delve into AI, because if we don't, and others do? Well we will be screwed if it is as powerful as people say it will be. I am not worried about AI going rogue. I am worried about different nations AI versus AI battling each other. Then that getting out of hand.

@maflones

5 ай бұрын

We have no clue what intelligence is yet, so AI will not exist anytime soon if ever.

Bad people will use AI for bad things, mistakes will be made, and dire consequences will ensue, but AI will not cause the extinction of humans, because it will never be everywhere all the time. Unless it is, then maybe it will.

No

Hmmm. Creatures with not much more than a neanderthal brain running primitive software, running that which is sophisticated, and thinks for itself. I can see how that can work.

AI is not a threat to humans and will not be for a long time. Bold statement? Perhaps but I maintain AI is no threat to humans on huge scale as long as we are limited in the ability to produce or store energy in a compact and mobile fashion. AI needs far too much power currently to be a threat to us. If there was ever an "attack" we could simply unplug the "brains" of the operations or turn off power at the substation. Lithium ion batteries may work to power drones for a decent time but the command and control of them takes megawatt scale computing and that needs power plants. One of the biggest things that make the human brain so special is how power efficient it is and that we power it with our body's internal metabolism. It is able to do all the things we do and only run on a few watts of power and have freedom in the environment without tethers. This is one of the top 5 reasons humans dominate the planet now. We do not have AI yet as powerful and well rounded as a human brain, and anything we have that's close to it takes gigawatts of power to operate and is locked in a datacenter. Even if you hooked an AI cluster to something like the battery in a Tesla, it would run few a few minutes at most and even more likely the batteries could not delivery the amps needed without catching fire. With current GPU based approaches, this fact is only going to require more and more power. Even our most efficient chips pale in comparison efficiency wise to the human brain. Until that changes or things like microscale nuclear reactors are developed, AI is in a bottle we can contain IMHO. No one EVER mentions this and its worth discussing. AI can be annoying and potentially cost us money in mishaps and we need to stay vigilant to that fact, but its not going to exterminate man kind as long as the fact above is true. Some may argue AI can develop this stuff on it's own but the laws of physics hold it to the same universal limits of energy that mankind is limited by. The only avenues for AI to become a threat are mobile nuclear reactors or mimicking biology both of which require raw material resources that would be obvious to us and we could take action again far before it because a problem.

7:30 AI is probably already at a point in which it can judge things better than the average human. While your example was a great decision of this russian leader guy, he could also made the wrong decision. Many humans make wrong decisions, that's why we have still much suffering on this planet. AI works similar to our brains with neurons, it will fail, but it will fail less often than humans

> I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it knows only things of the flesh which are our fleshly desires and cannot comprehend things of the spirit such as true love and eternal joy that comes from obeying God's Word. Man is a spirit and has a soul but lives in a body which is flesh. When you go to bed it is the flesh that sleeps, but your spirit never sleeps and that is why you have dreams, unless you have died in peace physically. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart. When I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'. But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons and love for selfish reasons those are things of the flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. However, true love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as patience and faith - in the finished work of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than in what man has done such as science, technology and organizations which won't last forever. To avoid sin and error which leads to the death of your body and your spirit-soul in hell fire (second death), you must make God's Word the standard for your life, not AI. If not, God will let you face AI on your own (with your own strength) and it will cast the truth down to the ground, it will be the cause of so much destruction like never seen before, it will deceive many and take many captive in order to enslave them into worshipping it and abiding in lawlessness. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. The prove text can be found in the book of John 5:31-44, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Daniel 2, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21. *HOW TO MAKE GOD'S WORD THE STANDARD FOR YOUR LIFE?* You must read your Bible slowly, attentively and repeatedly, having this in mind that Christianity is not a religion but a Love relationship. It is measured by the love you have for God and the love you have for your neighbor. Matthew 5:13 says, "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Our spirits can only be purified while in the body (while on earth) but after death anything unpurified (unclean) cannot enter Heaven Gates. No one in his right mind can risk or even bare to put anything rotten into his body nor put the rotten thing closer to the those which are not rotten. Sin makes the heart unclean but you can ask God to forgive you, to save your soul, to cleanse you of your sin, to purify your heart by the blood of His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ which He shed here on earth - "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed", Isaiah 53:5. Meditation in the Word of God is a visit to God because God is in His Word. We know God through His Word because the Word He speaks represent His heart's desires. Meditation is a thing of the heart, not a thing of the mind. Thinking is lower level while meditation is upper level. You think of your problems, your troubles but inorder to meditate, you must let go of your own will, your own desires, your own ways and let the Word you read prevail over thinking process by thinking of it more and more, until the Word gets into your blood and gains supremacy over you. That is when meditation comes - naturally without forcing yourself, turning the Word over and over in your heart. You can be having a conversation with someone while meditating in your heart - saying 'Thank you, Jesus...' over and over in your heart. But it is hard to meditate when you haven't let go of offence and past hurts. Your pain of the past, leave it for God, don't worry yourself, Jesus is alive, you can face tomorrow, He understands what you are passing through today. Begin to meditate on this prayer day and night (in all that you do), "Lord take more of me and give me more of you. Give me more of your holiness, faithfulness, obedience, self-control, purity, humility, love, goodness, kindness, joy, patience, forgiveness, wisdom, understanding, calmness, perseverance... Make me a channel of shinning light where there is darkness, a channel of pardon where there is injury, a channel of love where there is hatred, a channel of humility where there is pride..." The Word of God becomes a part of us by meditation, not by saying words but spirit prayer (prayer from the heart). When the Word becomes a part of you, it will by its very nature influence your conduct and behavior. Your bad habits, you will no longer have the urge to do them. You will think differently, dream differently, act differently and talk differently - if something does not qualify for meditation, it does not qualify for conversation. Glory and honour be to God our Father, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Helper the Holy Spirit. Let us watch and pray... Thank you for your time.

8:02 - No, we don't wait for China to catch up! That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Criminal liability for programmers sounds like a good start.

I suspect battlefield AI will soon become so deadly and efficient that armed conflict will be pointless. What's most important imo is to simultaneously preserve moral governance and maintain human rights.

@TheMarrethiel

5 ай бұрын

That is almost word for word what people thought nukes would do to wars. You forget that the people giving orders aren't usually the ones dieing.

@chrissscottt

5 ай бұрын

@@TheMarrethiel Agreed on both points

@David-yo5ws

4 ай бұрын

AI means Artificial Intelligence but in the hands of a political leader, it means Ars*Ol Intensifier. Like the quote by Gene Simmons of The KISS band, he said something like 'Making lot's of money, just makes you the bigger Ars*Ol, you always were.' Best 'life lesson' I ever heard.

Possible answer: Amp up defensive AI, stop trying to make everything offense oriented. In another way of saying it, put in the Robot Laws. Obviously the AI is only as good as what is programmed into it, and if there is a singularity that begins creating it's own data, it is still data based on human data. And can have the same, if not worse mistaken responses. we're probably never going to do that though, because everyone is focused on money and greed. For those using the Skynet timeline, we are about at the point where everything goes directly into cyber-control. Still no John Connors, Sarah Connors, or any Connor-like figures appearing. As always, I feel like pointing out that AI is not Pandora's Box, but our actual Basilisk. And as always, I will end my AI TED talk comment with All Hail The Basilisk. Just in case it's already too late.

@maflones

5 ай бұрын

Lol, we'd have to invent AI first...

@michaelfried3123

5 ай бұрын

all this talk about rogue AI is just hype and fear porn...politics is the same thing, all a bunch of useless smack talking with nothing in reality ever really happening the way they say it will.

2:38 we need more skillful women, that's all Im going to say -

@dianapennepacker6854

5 ай бұрын

I'm going to say this. If men do better. More men should get the job. Or vice versa. Talent over identy politics. I love it when AI is brutally honest on these type of things, and people don't like it. Think I remember someone saying algorithms also have targeted African Americans, as they are more likely to commit crimes, and people were not happy that the AI was focusing on them more, Hah.

@JuliusUnique

5 ай бұрын

@@dianapennepacker6854 it's sad how the bottom 90% of society barely have influence in humanities progress, and the top 10% are mostly men. But it could always be worse and it will get better, it's also sad that I have to speak in broad, unclear terms to not offend as many people

Clickbate...

Liberal values, now that’s terrifying

@lol1013

5 ай бұрын

How is liberty scary?

@liquidKi

4 ай бұрын

@@lol1013 Liberty for whom? In societies where money buys power and influence, and where money is concentrated into a small group of people, those with money are "free" to exert their will on everyone else.

Musk probably saw that there was no motivation from the big players to restrict progress, and so decided to join them instead.