You can tell this guy's a professional. He's JB welding with his nice pants on.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

lol. Nice!

@HondaCivicFanClub-rj9oc

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm Still relying to comments on a video 2 years later, good man.

@77.88.

4 жыл бұрын

You don't have to be a pig to be a mechanic , all you have to do is be prideful of what and how you do something...

@davidmiller9485

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm i suggest you look into Henry 'Smokey' Yunick's vapor engine. He does have patents on it.

Imagine being this dudes neighbour and wondering why he mows his lawn 365 days a year

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

lol Thanks would cause some interest!

@coreytaggart128

4 жыл бұрын

still better then seeing him as the seller when you pickup your used lawmower from craigslist; wood cylinder head, performance booster monster bottle, banana based oil replacement. then you know why the ad said "as is" for 2 our of every 3 words in the ad.

@ILIK3HATERZ

3 жыл бұрын

If this guy was my neighbor I’d be saving lots of money on gas!

@restinpeacekobe2411

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@crimsonmoon9404

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm now try this with the farmabago

This may be an old video, but I figured I’d say I appreciate your efforts. I knew you’d make it run, but I was really surprised at how easily it started and smoothly it ran. You save me many pops in the shop. Don’t ever stop what your doing, it’s gold!

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@j.t.cooper2963

Жыл бұрын

@@TurboSpeedWiFi Thanks for chiming in, Mr. Know-it-all.

@scarter176

Жыл бұрын

Look up the guy that invented the carburetor that got 60 mpg back in the late 60‘s His patent was purchased by an oil company. Then the solvent water fuel that was tested by the government in the late 70‘s someone had a patent that made this mixture coalesce and burn with no emissions

If a carburetor is performing properly it should be pretty well vaporized anyway. Burning vapor from an external vaporizer or fuel from the carburetor should give the same performance because to run properly you need the stoichiometric ratios of fuel. But being able to do it from a bottle and suction tube is incredible and a really great experiment.

@MatthewGill-nv4tb

Жыл бұрын

​Murdock S also cleaner..... WAY cleaner. Rigged a generator up one winter to prove it to my dad..... after 15 minutes of running we noticed in an enclosed garage our eyes weren't red and there was no smell.... a LOT of unburnt gas with carb

@jefmoesy

Жыл бұрын

@@MatthewGill-nv4tb I wouldnt call 2-3% a LOT...

@MatthewGill-nv4tb

Жыл бұрын

@jefmoesy well..... since I gotta spell it out..... in an Era of green green green environmental fucking clown shoes...... It's rather obvious a rag places over a muffler and there's NO odor obviously means less pollutants ie carbon.... and carbon build up..... Tear apart an engine that ran on propane.... it's similar

@JamesAutoDude

11 ай бұрын

​@@MatthewGill-nv4tbthat's probably more an injector jet / fuel delivery problem then a carb problem

@MatthewGill-nv4tb

11 ай бұрын

@JamesAutoDude brand new generator.. brand new lawn mower and a brand new snowblower all just happen to have carb problems. I know what you're saying. But I've demonstrated it for gear heads in their 70s and they didn't even think it would work..... needless to say they were surprised.... all of them know how to tune carbs and repair those problems

Replying to comments after 3 years takes a lot of dedication!

@ProjectFarm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@1973miniclubman

3 жыл бұрын

One of the finest channels on KZread.

@akmcg

3 жыл бұрын

I think he just has default replies because he just says thanks I will try this to like every comment even if it's not related to trying anything

@Bankable2790

3 жыл бұрын

@@akmcg don’t speak of our hero like this

@ericmb79

3 жыл бұрын

It sure does!

Next time, you should make a flashback arrestor, basically a check valve to prevent catching your vapor source on fire. It is a necessity for multi-cylinder engines on vapor. Great video man!

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

Great suggestion!

@NanoWarrior26

4 жыл бұрын

vapor source is likely above the UFL and won't ignite anyway

@TheJeremy5599

4 жыл бұрын

That mainly depends on camshaft timing. I'm thinking of doing a vapor motor series on my channel eventually if your interested in this kind of thing

@sgtrock1

2 жыл бұрын

@@NanoWarrior26 The Flashpoint upper may not be high enough to ignite but, the safety concept of a flashback arrestor would serve as a preventablemeasure should an instance given an occurrence that if only one out of 100 occurrence for any given situation could potentially cause an ignition source, that event is now mitigated and an injury is avoided.

@carrerasrivera

Жыл бұрын

can you add a water bubler with the gas one??

Haven’t read all the comments on your video, but I recall reading that Tom Ogle heated the high octane gasoline for the Galaxie. Also, the vacuum was so great, it was caving in his metal gas tank. He instead engineered his own 2 gallon gas tank that was capable of the heat and the vacuum. Thank you for taking the time/resources to scratch the itch a lot of us DIYers have regarding energy efficiency.

It was done over 30 years ago at Ariz State Univ and was taken by the big P and lock away! The 2 biggest problems were ice on the carb and the motor over heating due to no evaporation of the gas to cool the engine. Air was drawn thru the pool of gas that had a fine screen it to breakdown the air flow to tiny bubbles to grab the vapor particles so it would only pull the vapor in to the engine block. A brass screen had to be added to stop any backfires from setting off the gas pool. It worked great until big P said stop and took it. Ariz State Univ also did a garbage to gas converter that was also taken by big P. The icing on the carb from evaporation was solved by wrapping a few coils from the cooling system around the carb with copper tubing. So I know it ca work!

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

Even though this video is 3 years old you tube is still recommending it to people like myself. I can't believe this worked. Amazing video. Love how you take the time to set up everything so it's equal.

@davidjones8942

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I'm not.... when I was a kid I had a go-kart that used a 5hp Briggs & Stratton engine.... it went about 35 mph on the country road we lived on......... until it ran out of gas, then it surged up to about 60 mph before dying..... If I had thought of this set up back then I bet I could have hit 80!!!

@johnfox3845

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjones8942 The increased performance was due to a lean fuel mixture, which also greatly increased combustion temperature. Trying to run it like that for any length of time would result in engine failure. Also, while an rpm increase would likely result, theres no way in hell you got anywhere even close to nearly 2x the normal top speed. Even if the governor was bypassed, what you describe just isn't possible, since the flywheel and rotating assembly could not withstand nearly twice the RPMs.

@johnfox3845

2 жыл бұрын

@One Term Loser It seems you should learn to take your own advice. Also, since bringing him back to reality obviously hurt your feelings, it seems you are just as nuts as he is.

@johnfox3845

2 жыл бұрын

@One Term Loser Project much, little miss "One Big Loser"? I'm truly sorry that living in mommy's basement has turned you into a bitter, pathetic, slimy little troll. While having a face that only a mother could love and a body that no woman or man would touch without payment in advance does explain your unpleasantness, it doesn't mean you have to take it out on the rest of the world.

@greebuh

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjones8942 it's the fumes that ignite anyway.

If you look closely you can see reflection of oil company guy with a gun pointing at him.

@T2D.SteveArcs

4 жыл бұрын

@mike brink I know lol we put a man on the moon ffs if this worked to save fuel people would be doing it and the government would be taxing it (or have outlawed it) ... ha

@SeeLevelBus

4 жыл бұрын

@@T2D.SteveArcs you cannot land on an image. NASA lies about the moon's realm. Real truth is stranger than any fiction.

@dienadel30

4 жыл бұрын

Simple Physics folks. It may have seemed like vapor in the bottle but was really a mist as Jaden Webb commented he in inadvertently made a carburetor. A potentially dangerous one.

@antthegord9411

4 жыл бұрын

+Jeff sandrock no but you can land on a moon. Which definitely exists and did happen. What "truth" are you trying to get at? lol

@anonymouse2428

4 жыл бұрын

No, that's the specter of worn out piston rings since he didn't use an air filter. . . 🤣

Todd, you are a BEAST my friend! I'm over here watching your older videos just like they came out a few days ago. And thankfully, they are still very much relevant!

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I have done a lot of experimenting with this. 1 you to run the vapor up through were the main jet use to be to be able to add air, you're running way to rich. 2 put in a one way valve to stop the bubbler catching fire. 3 as the gas is used up you need to heat the bubbler, 0 at the start ,90c at the end . you can run 25% water with a little soap but have to run heat sooner. When you get the mixture right the exhaust temp and fuel burn will plummet . Downside, driveablity is poor, it really only works well bellow 1/3 throttle, and you're always driving with a "bomb" in the vehicle. Maybe if you used an Arduino to control it, it would work. The irony... this was done on a 78 Ford Pinto so it did catch fire... twice

You sir, are a national treasure. The things I've learned here are multiples of all of the channels that try so hard to teach people things. We all seem to learn so much more when we just ask questions together. God Bless you and those you care about for your efforts.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@JP-wk8vk

2 жыл бұрын

At the end of the video, as a bonus, you could end up throwing in an HHO kit, to test what happend if there is water vapor, gas vapor and HHO generator ;)

Your level of creativity is insane. The things you come up with to do your tests are insane. I've been watching your videos for a couple years now and you never cease to amaze me with your knowledge.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@nofoxgiven6315

3 жыл бұрын

His subs have a lot to do with it they sugest stuff to him to do and you can tell he youtube searches others ideas as like this he new what to do to make the set up i agree seems like a nice bloke dose some good tests but gets a lot of his ideas from his subs and youtube searches.

@Tommo020788

3 жыл бұрын

@@nofoxgiven6315 was gonna say the same thing. While I love this guys channel too, it wasn't exactly his idea, but he listens to his subs/comments for ideas which I feel is actually great because then you can draw from the creative minds of all those people rather than just 1.

@Rickbearcat

3 жыл бұрын

You should give the credit to the commenters here for this suggestion on what this video was about. Project Farm did not come up with this idea as you said.

@pronerider5626

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rickbearcat I was commenting on the way he conducts the tests, Not the subject of the video. Don't be salty.

Looks very interesting, I'll test it. As improvements, the pipes in the jar can be made bent so the air is forced to go centrifugal, so the movement of the gasoline can be more controlled and directed to create a vortex. for sure will improve the time. Another set-up can be made with bigger holes to increase the airflow( as setup can use 3-4 diameter and test which is the best as increasing the time)

@iiirtsiii

Жыл бұрын

I would say small would be better, look at where the valve is, almost all the way closed which tells me that the hoses ate too big. ¼" line I think would be better.

@MN-sc2uz

Жыл бұрын

Maybe thats where the efficiency gain was lost.

Here for those wishing to experiment are possible ideas. A man that put a vapor chamber on his car got the equivalent of 400 mpg but it only achieved that when the gasoline was at a certain level. That has to do with how long the bubbles traveled in the liquid which means saturation or less saturated. Something to vary. Then there is the engine that sent the exhaust out a pipe and the intake air was passed through a pipe within that exhaust. Obviously this made the intake air hot. But not only that the intake air bubbled through used motor oil, or cooking oil. And I think that oil fuel was heated also. Then there is the automotive engineer that explained how 1000 might is possible and that car makers are in cahoots with big oil. He wrote an article saying way over 50% of the gasoline is not burned in today's cars and, (are you ready for this?) that's what catalytic converters are doing, igniting unburned fuel!! Now you can call me a conspiracy theorists but nobody can deny that a catalytic converter gets way hotter than an a manifold without a catalytic converter. So where in thermodynamics does the extra heat come from? So then the question is Can I make some fuel (probably not gasoline which is benzene which might ignite in the heating tube) can I heat some fuel and get a real good vapor air ratio that burns super efficiently and get 100s of times more run time etc? I think I would experiment with a generator and if I get it working there transfer it to a car.

@joecat9622

3 ай бұрын

Is there any chance we can talk on another platform. Id like to pick your brain about some things you've said here.

Gas mileage test: tequila vs vodka

@jungle6815

4 жыл бұрын

@Dušan Gajdoš high proof vodka is

@snoopytheace4487

4 жыл бұрын

Back in the 20s and 30s people would use homemade moonshine as fuel for there cars.

@materdoit5667

4 жыл бұрын

You would end up in a ditch

@shadowxxe

4 жыл бұрын

@Dušan Gajdoš alot of tequilas and vodkas have high alcohol content if you can get it running off rubbing alcohol i don't see why you can get it running off vodka

@dave623

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Snitgen ....Sierra Silver Tequila, 150 proof.

The cloudiness of the fuel after running is due to water vapour in the air entering the fuel vessel

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@ICEMANTITO

4 жыл бұрын

It could be but the water could be so little that its not harmful for the small engine, its just gas vapors and if there was water i bet that water will evaporate slower than the gas.

@thalesreggiani2751

4 жыл бұрын

Water is forming in combustion process, and is present as small particles in the tank, so it's ok. As a matter of curiosity, BMW recently uses water injection in some turbo engines looking for cooling and avoiding "knocks" (it replaces the excess of gas needed). In Brazil, hydrated ethanol powered engines is really common, and some corrosion problems on engines are as well

@carloromero4781

4 жыл бұрын

Make sense!

@Levermonkey

4 жыл бұрын

The majority of the water is probably already in the petrol and the 'bong' is probably performing a (admittedly fairly inefficient) vacuum distillation on the petrol resulting in a higher concentration of water in the residue.

My Dad, Uncles, and Grandpa all have talked of a International truck that my Grandpa had back in the 60's he bought new. Thing got over 50 miles to the gallon. 2 or 3 months after he bought it word had made it far enough up that International Representatives along with the Sheriffs Department one day pulled in and informed my grandpa that International had made a error and was there to fix it. They removed the carb replaced it and just like that the old international got about 5 mpg. An when international was contacted by my Grandpa. He was told international had never build not only the carb they never produced a truck with that vin number.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

@OTAlucard

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense now that there's a guy who put a lawnmower carburetor on his old Ford and is getting 41 mpg

@rondobrondo

Жыл бұрын

wait what? I need more info on this?

@christopherkortlever

Жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to my family. My grandfather was a car salesman at a ford dealership for 35 years. He told me that back in the 80’s, this man came in and purchased a brand new F-150 off the lot. Came back a few weeks later confused as to why his truck was using only a small amount of fuel. He was making daily trips down to a major city 100 miles away and claimed that the truck was getting over 100 miles to the gallon. They popped the hood and saw a black box leading into the intake manifold. There was a stamp on the box with a serial number and the words “Ford Prototype.” Corporate found out about it and wanted to buy the truck back. At first he refused but then settled on a 1 million buyback price. Very strange story.

@TheDeadMan3848

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherkortlever 😂

You probably have the best mowed lawn in the neighborhood.

@gijs.22

6 жыл бұрын

WhatUpDicknose Neighbors friend: wats that sound Neighbor: it’s just the neighbor mowing his lawn again

@101Volts

6 жыл бұрын

I suppose it helps that he has some resemblance to Hank Hill.

Sweet! A gasoline bong...

@ProjectFarm

6 жыл бұрын

LOL! Thanks for commenting!

@dirtbike662

6 жыл бұрын

Raymond Stewart I was thinking this right away lollol

@haydenc2742

6 жыл бұрын

Just don't try lighting it up for a hit...KABOOOSH!!!

@smautorepair831

6 жыл бұрын

a few years ago I ran a small 3 cylinder tractor off something like this until I could afford a new carburetor and I called it my gas bong!

@Will-bn3hq

5 жыл бұрын

yeah but if you really want to blow your mind (SMOKE DYNAMITE)

I love your channel. As I recall, Ford's first car simply dripped fuel onto a heated plate where it was drawn into the engine as it evaporated. It wasn't safe but it worked. That was a pretty good test, using a crude fuel vapor system vs a worn/crude carb. Comparing that to a FI engine w/ a more exact fuel/air ratio is another matter. A mix of the two technologies was done by Transonic Combustion. They'd heat/compress gas before injecting it under high pressure and the "supercritical fluid" would allow the compression stroke to fire the mix. They claimed 64 MPG in their test car, but MPG in testing is tricky. None of the auto makers took them up on their tech. (On a set no-stop run @ 40MPH, I can see a 70% increase in MPG in my current car.)

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@garykentner7557

Жыл бұрын

That carb and exhaust and Intake manifold super heated the large chain molecules to make it vaporize plus on the Model T(not all) the fuel is all adjustable by finding the sweet spot. The fuel system was made by Holley and was called a "Holley Hot Spot", also"Stromberg Hot Spot" back then the fuel was real and not additives and cheap alcohol junk fuel like we have today (mostly very light chain molecules that boil at 130 degrees up to about 415 like Ethyl used to be back in the 60s for High comp cars.. With modern fuel the way its been cracked it simply doesnt have the BTUs old school fuel was. The days of the 200 MPG carb are gone unless you want to crack some oil and make it larger chains and use lots of heat to vaporize it, which works if you have the equipment to distil ir.. thanks

It'd be great to see the results you get if you were to recycle the exhaust through a cooling coil and then into your fuel container replacing the air intake air with the exhaust. You may be surprised by the efficiency increase.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

@JamesAutoDude

11 ай бұрын

That's what a EGR system does on a vehicle lol. So makes sense

@Daileyandrew

8 ай бұрын

Doesn’t egr cost reduced efficiency at the effect of reduced emissions? Tdi egr delete adds 5mpg on my car

@gregorymalchuk272

6 ай бұрын

​​@@DaileyandrewEGR actually improves part load fuel economy by forcing you to open the throttle a bit further for a given engine load, decreasing throttling losses at part-load cruise. It's like a poor man's cylinder deactivation.

@Daileyandrew

6 ай бұрын

@@gregorymalchuk272 I’ve only heard of EGR deletes improving mpg

My body: „You REALLY should go to sleep now!!!“ My eyes to my brain: ENGINES RUNNING ON VAPORS My brain to my fingers:“Welllllllllll, let‘s give it a try......“

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

lol. Nice!

@RussBn

4 жыл бұрын

How did you go?

@judaojk34

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Jralls3

4 жыл бұрын

@Rich B could not have said it!!

@ChrisBlagdonIsABoss

4 жыл бұрын

@Rich B try what? what you talking about willis

congratulations you inadvertently made your own carburetor.

@ATFM01

5 жыл бұрын

Technically not, he's created a bubbler and deleted the carb altogether. Carb spits out majority liquid that has been Atomized. Engines only run off vapor. A bubbler creates pure gas vapor. By creating a bubbler there is literally nothing a carb does for the engine. A carb only creates a fine mist of fuel--the closest thing to vapor. The reason you tune a carb is to make the liquid closest to gas. Inefficient. If he were to cut the intake line in the bubbler above the fuel line..the engine would've run even more efficient. Vapor combusts. Liquid ignintes.

@LosCadaver

5 жыл бұрын

@@ATFM01 liquid gas doesnt burn even in a combustion engine the carburetor "atomizes" the fuel and the termperature of the combustion chamber puts it into a gaseous state...

@LosCadaver

5 жыл бұрын

"Burning" liquid fuel is just burning the vapours of the fuel as it the molecules speed up and become a gas....

@dad5744

5 жыл бұрын

What if it was water? Or crude oil? kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3uZ3NyKcqSsabg.html

@brucetucker4847

5 жыл бұрын

@@dad5744 The mower wouldn't run. Don't believe idiotic conspiracy theories you see on the Internet.

Interesting and creative concept for getting the vapor into the engine, if I had a guess though I'd say the system was still pulling some of the fuel up and not complete vapor. The most famous attempt at a vapor engine I've heard of is Smokey's Hot-Vapor Engine where he used the exhaust pipes to superheat the fuel to vaporize it. I would attempt to replicate heating the fuel into a vapor and somehow feeding only that vapor into the engine. Loved the video

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I did that on a 4 cylinder motor. Removed the cab. Installed a 2'' ball valve and a 1'' ball valve past the 2'' for air adjustment. I put gas ,old oil,water in the tub. ran the vapors with a 2'' hose. Had a 1'' hose to feed air in to bubble the mix. It ate it all. Ran great.

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Next Episode: How I avoided being Epstien'd by BP.

@jamesking4225

3 жыл бұрын

This is great lmao I’m dying over here

@brentfarvors192

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, they aren't worried about a %10 loss...Hook a HHO generator up to that sucker, and see what happens!

@ItalianMetalHED

3 жыл бұрын

and SHELL cause theyve done it before lol. There was a guy that got an engine to run off of water ie hydrogen and he dissapeared

@nathanpapp432

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItalianMetalHED That guy was a fraud. His engine did NOT run off of water.

@Busted.Knuckles.Garage

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItalianMetalHED ya he's selling bottled water in Siberia Russia 🇷🇺

Did you check see if the RPMs were the same with the vapors as they were with the gas I believe that would be the only real way to know one was as efficient as the other

@JodBronson

4 жыл бұрын

Extra Gas = Extra RPM 😂❤️😂❤️😂❤️😂❤️😂❤️😂❤️

@Dtr146

4 жыл бұрын

I think his method is just a limiting the gas waste that engine normally has. wether you like it or not, gas engines arent 100% fuel efficient. with him only running on fumes, there's no chance for the engine to burn more than it needs. *edited to correct voice to text errors

@davep8221

4 жыл бұрын

And torque? Again, just SWAG'ing.

@wiredforstereo

4 жыл бұрын

These engines have a governor. They always run at pretty much exactly the same rpm. Just listen to the sound.

@2Truth4Liberty

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dtr146 Actually it could still be getting an air/fuel mixture with the fuel part being "more than it needs". (i.e., running rich, lower air/fuel ratio than needed) To test this out -- You could add another gated air inlet anywhere before the carb to allow adjustment of the air/fuel ratio. I suggest a tee at the existing gate valve to add second gate valve that goes directly to atmosphere (air filter if needed). After you start the engine you could begin opening the atmosphere gate valve to lean the mixture until it was at optimum. (It would be optimum assuming full open of the valve was too lean to keep it running)

The carburetor and jets atomize the fuel when it is injected into the engine. You need a specific amount of vapor in the engine based on the timing and size of the piston, rings, crank, etc. Creating the vapor in a bottle outside the engine or in the carburetor doesn't change the amount of vapor the engine needs to run properly.

@amminabdullah9561

Жыл бұрын

the video we saw earlier gasoline vapor was taken 100% without any air mixture ratio. there should be a valve for air intake located between the vapor tank and the engine. so we don't know if that way saves fuel compared to the conventional way

@leeknivek

Жыл бұрын

@@amminabdullah9561 gasoline liquid doesn't burn, only the vapor does when it's combined with air. gasoline vaporizes (boils) at room temps, and mixes with the air. you can't burn gasoline vapors on their own.

@randal3122

22 күн бұрын

​@amminabdullah9561 you make a good point. for all we know, those same vapors could then be mixed with equal parts air and it still runs the same. that would theoretically double the efficiency wouldn't it?

@randal3122

22 күн бұрын

​@@leekniveksure, but maybe more air could be mixed with those vapors than are in this experiement

@leeknivek

21 күн бұрын

@randal3122 your air to fuel mixture must be 14.7 to 1. If you want to burn more fuel, then you need more air. The only way to add more air is to increase your compression ratio, which is good, but you need a stronger and heavier engine block.

so the only problem that you'd have with this is a nicely mounted fuel tank and limited splash and choking and you should consider a spark or flashback resistor of some type to avoid fire/explosion.

I remember reading a story in the local newspaper back in 1975 or 76 about a local man who had accidentally discovered a way to run his lawnmower on fumes like you did . He apparently did not use the vented jar like you but he said the vapor inlet line to the intake would actually ice and freeze up so he later used a refrigerator coil to supply the vapor to the engine to prevent icing up . He had according to the article converted a full sized car to run on his invention but had to add an accelerator pump system to get the engine up to freeway speed and drove the car across the country on a promotional tour to publicize it and showed his fuel mileage increases . There was a follow up story in the paper a short time later saying the fellow had been receiving death threats (he assumed were from oil companies ) as well as offers to purchase his research and not disclose any info about his discoveries. He supposedly finally accepted an offer for $200,000 to stop working on his fuel vapor concept .

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@MrAB-fo7zk

2 жыл бұрын

He was killed .... this immediately came to mind as well. He did not accept some money to shut up. He was suicide'd.

@christophercassidy9962

2 жыл бұрын

Tom Ogle was his name...he modified a 427 in a 1970 Ford galaxy to get over 100 mpg. Drove from LA to Arizona on 3 gallons of gas if I remember correctly.

@joecruz196

2 жыл бұрын

@@christophercassidy9962 and it killed him So sad

@brucewmclaughlin9072

2 жыл бұрын

I always find it interesting that someone comes up with the fuel saving engine and then has an accident / suicide before they reveal the "how to " to the world. it seems if you follow the money that there are forces that do not want this type of thing to happen. Run your car on water only ? How is it possible that only one guy has discovered how to do it and now that he is dead no one else can figure it out?

Project farm The best channel on KZread

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@oqvirtuoso2268

3 жыл бұрын

And the most wholesome

You should definitely try this project on a vehicle where you're on and off the throttle with normal driving conditions. I think it'll make a much bigger difference on how much fuel is used.Liquid versus vapor

@ProjectFarm

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

Completely rerouting airflow through the fuel chamber is less efficient than having a separate air intake line with a separate valve. In the set up that you created here the air/fuel mixture is directly proportional to the amount of air flowing through the fuel. That air, in turn, is the sole source of agitation. One alternative would be to make the agitation lines smaller, which would require a lower volume of air. Then, a Y fitting at the base of the air intake So that you could attach a larger diameter air filter with a valve. This will give you a much more fine tuned control over the air fuel mixture. Additionally, these configurations run extremely lean so adding a little bit of water to the gasoline would help in overall engine temperatures. I know that sounds crazy, but in practice it works very similar to a water injection system by adding a little more water vapor than ambient air to the overall mixture.

@handledeehandledum

2 жыл бұрын

You covered some items of my critique. This test set-up for most applications is quite impractical apart from educational exercise. Adding water makes sense, a means to prevent a “backfire to evaporator chamber” explosion is the worst “safety” omission. One you didn’t mention though perhaps obvious is in this initial setup the air flow through the fuel being akin to a hookah (Sp, a water pipe) - fuel is filtering the air and canister will become a maintenance issue. He mentioned fuel turning yellow and air in the fuel making fuel cloudy (also less effective after a time by slow oxidation if left sitting). He didn’t cover detailed concept considerations before diving into the “build” - as a “test of concept”, excluding filter element may have seemed a high-restriction unknown, but dirty air will create other problems later. Addressing YOUR arrangement, a single filter into a common plenum feeding air to both the evaporator canister and the air-only intake line will work fine. You comment about smaller lines “taking” less air is physically true, evaporation efficiency increases with air turbulence so the goal would be throttling the best stoichiometric FINAL mixture to the engine (your separate “dilution” line covers that). That stoichiometric base line is limited by the saturated fuel vapor availability (think in terms of absolute humidity, and high humidity air means less room for fuel between the air molecules ), but is a fairly predictable limit. Your multiple air lines into evaporator canister are best handled with a singe line feeding to a “sparger” ring (effectively smaller holes distributed evenly at the bottom of the canister, to make smaller air bubbles which can become saturated vapor bubbles). Past each of those a canister level control is needed - as fuel is used the bubbling has less retention time for evaporation / air filtration, and extended time in that condition makes fuel vapor-quality worse. EDIT of 7/2/22: As clarification, “Vapor quality” is a parallel to steam quality. Bypassing the significance of the steam term, air holding as much fuel vapor as possible is “saturated vapor” (if the fuel was “water” the terminology would be “100% relative humidity”, such that “one more molecule of fuel vaporized” would precipitate a molecule of liquid elsewhere in the vapor space. In practical terms the fuel energy in the space would not increase further at that temperature and pressure. The problem ultimately becomes load/speed control, and especially lack of an accelerator pump effect for use on engines that have a varying load. The improvement you suggested as well as those I covered essentially make the canister into a modern carburetor. Opening the line from evaporator ahead of the bypass/dilution air line has the same effect as accelerator pump (a brief period of decreased air/fuel ratio into combustion chamber). With that part alone, I see little practicality versus the well proven carburetor tech, which even without an accelerator pump has a more consistent fuel-air ratio control characteristic. The only “really better” fuel delivery is direct fuel injection which is seen in modern vehicles and while better than carburization is overkill for small engines. Btw I mentioned the problem of backfire risk. Carburetors aren’t perfect in avoiding that risk but since the fuel is drawn into the air flow by the Venturi effect, reverse pressure from an intake manifold explosion or leaking intake valve would implicitly halt fuel feed. That effect is impossible with this direct evaporation arrangement, but the SATURATED fuel vapors in the evap canister won’t explode if that line remains protected/intact. HIGHLY LIKELY is nearly all of this work has been done before - a later comment indicated the Ford evaporator plate concept. Before that was the fuel dripping into the intake manifold,and slightly better yet the psychrometric effect, where air flow passes over a fuel-wetted wick for evaporation (like a kerosene/oil lamp without the wick alight), but controlling the air/fuel ratio for engine speed resolves to very much what you described - lots of physics, a little chemistry 🙂.

@raosthegray7090

2 жыл бұрын

I’m certainly no engineer but what you said seems pretty accurate, if you have the resources and time I’d love to see a video of you making and/or testing this build.

LMAO He gets it running.. and next shot is the tank taped to the mower mowing the grass. I just spit up my drink laughing so hard.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@wilsjane

4 жыл бұрын

I had a mental image of a 747 crossing the Atlantic with all the passengers blowing into bottles of gasoline. 😉😉😉

@account8242

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that cracked me up also... Especially since he said ""I don't think it's going to work"" and then like one minute later he was mowing lol🤣

@tribulationprepper787

4 жыл бұрын

@@wilsjane I am getting a mental image of Areomexico Airlines passengers with tubes up their butts!

@wilsjane

4 жыл бұрын

+Tribulation Prepper. If we did that in the UK, the stewardesses would be handing out tins of baked beans. How about adding a propeller to the plane driven by pedals under all the passenger seats.? 😊

The cloudiness of the fuel could be due to water, from the atmosphere, having mixed in.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

@klausbrinck2137

4 жыл бұрын

As long as I know, in such experiments, not all the gasoline can evaporate, some fraction consists of too big molecules... they remain left, and you have to find some other purpose forthis fraction. Also, this fraction (let´s say 20%) isn´t even soluble if the rest 80% isn´t there anymore, so you get an exclusion from the mix, an emulsion in other words, and that looks intransparent, millions of microscopic bubbles wanting to separate themselves from the small light-gazoline fraction that´s left. In other words, you get 10% higher mileage, but have to re-purpose 20% of the fuel.

@klausbrinck2137

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl heavy enriched, and so, not any more volatile, so, you miss out on a part of the volume. you can use this part in the gazoline with a normally carbureted engine or otherwise, but not in this engine... And i cannot imagine in how far endecane and dodecane are spontaneously volatile, i cannot recall this knowledge, but we´re talking here about instantaneous volatility, and not general volatility, that can take a couple of months... This gas vapor carburator is a typical destilation column, and you´ll always get separation, even if two sorts of molecules are almost exact the same volatile, but not absolute the same volatile.

@Combat_Pyro

3 жыл бұрын

Could also be due to the fact that it’s filtering out dust and pollen since there was no filter on the air inlet on the bubbler tank.

@ebent24

3 жыл бұрын

On top of pulling particulate out of the air making it cloudy what is left over is additives that do not boil out in the mild vacuum.

I ran a 5-horse engine and generator with a similar setup that heated the air-fuel gases before entering the engine to burn. It was temperamental, but the exhaust was incredibly clean, just warm air exiting the pipe. Amazing combustion process. Paul Pantone experiments delved deeply into this concept.

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

I'm surprised you did not wear protective gear in case of an explosion. Also a splash plate in the container to keep fuel from splashing up and accidently getting splashed up to the intake port would have been a better design as well as using an accurate measuring device for the fuel. I also noticed you could not throttle down to an idle so maybe a better control on the gas line.

@anthonythompson7970

2 жыл бұрын

Baffles. Simular to what's used in a moonshine column. Minus the caps.

@julesviolin

2 жыл бұрын

He wanted to keep it simple as a pure Demo. If you start adding splash plates etc folk will think there's hidden gadgetry powering the engine. No need for accurate fuel measuring as the consumption difference was not significant enough

@ultimateconcealcarry4671

Жыл бұрын

common sense is his protective gear

Carburetor basically vaporizes the fuel before it goes into the engine anyway.

@og1ie

4 жыл бұрын

sorry,,, wrong.

@billmalec

4 жыл бұрын

Ok,,,...,,,, what is correct?

@og1ie

4 жыл бұрын

@@billmalec Liquid fuel is transferred and mixed with air in the cylinder, compressed and explodes by pressure and spark. Why do you think there is a problem with smog? Unburnt fuel. When pure vapour is burned, presto, almost 100% combustion of vapour fuel. Almost 0% smog in our cities. Plus, if the effeciency is, truly, 3%, that can be improved upon which is significant. Am I wrong or are we of two opinions saying the same thing.

@billmalec

4 жыл бұрын

@@og1ie so it's atomized with air

@og1ie

4 жыл бұрын

@@billmalec No, it is sprayed ( more or less) Look up the word atomized. We are done now. Have a happy day.

Just before the 8 minute mark I love how every lawnmower vibrates just right to make the wheels turn when not touching the ground.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@xoxoXoieoxox

3 жыл бұрын

they call that inertial propulsion =)

@VicTor-gi7so

3 жыл бұрын

@@xoxoXoieoxox its called vibration

Measurement (in)accuracy could make that difference or increase it. I'd have to call this "inconclusive". Also this is a carbureted small engine, It'd be interesting to see how it fares against fuel injection. I could see Thunderhead289 taking this up. He runs a Ford V8 with a small engine carb.

@SkinnyVinnyLive

2 жыл бұрын

Thunderhead is a boss

@TravisTellsTruths

2 жыл бұрын

Great discovery that likely works through turbulence-induced vaporization!

@jasonmurphree5156

2 жыл бұрын

Is thunderhead full of crap or are his claims legit? Is he a flat-earther? It helps tell me who I'm dealing with

@cynic5581

Жыл бұрын

This wouldn’t work with fuel injection, not in the traditional sense anyway. Fuel injection uses a pump to pressurize the fuel injector and the ECU is tuned to open the injectors based on its energy density in a liquid state. You could make it work but it would just be a natural gas engine that’s already widely used in fleet vehicles except using gasoline vapor….not much to learn since we are already doing it. It would be interesting to see the process required to vaporize than pressurize the gasoline though (a process not needed for natural gas).

You ARE THE F---'N MAN!!!! Much Love from Rochester NY. So appreciate every single comparison that you've done. You are exceptionally unbiased, honest and and straight to the FACTS...Please keep up the amazing work, we so enjoy all of your videos!!!!!

@ProjectFarm

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

Actually gasoline engines are designed to use a little bit of extra fuel. You run a motor to lean and you'll melt it. Any pilot knows this. Is he getting altitude your atmospheric pressure lowers, your engine runs good, good power but it's running too lean so your temperature is quickly rise and you have to enrich it as you climb. Most people struggle with this concept. But when you set a carburetor you don't set it until your motor speeds up you have to back off the jet and let it have a little extra fuel, or you will melt a piston.

@devinallen9877

Жыл бұрын

This is actually false. That’s a misconception about how air to fuel ratios work. Lean mixture does not cause overheating. The incorrect timing with it does. Lean mixture causes excessive emissions which is why it’s not used in the auto industry

@transcendedanal7307

Жыл бұрын

@@devinallen9877 Running rich cools the engine because unburnt gasoline acts as a refrigerant, by boiling off from the combustion. So running lean can actually cause increased heat compared to an engine that is used to running rich.

Red Green would be proud you used duct tape.

Thank you very much for testing this theory. I have questioned this concept since I was a teenager and you have helped me understand the dynamics with this test. You have great videos with well thought out preparation and execution. Your ingenuity and practical mechanical abilities are truly exceptional and a pleasure to watch. Keep up the great work!

@ProjectFarm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@thethinkinggriesbach7600

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm my Dad is a mechanic and he said that “unless you retard the timing you’re not going to see a decrease fuel consumption” and the discoloration in the fuel is probably because of dust and other substances but me and him still enjoyed the video a great deal, thank you

Hi. Project Farm here is another idea: My grandpa said that during WWII some soviet trucks were running on wood. They had regular internal combustion engines, but due to lack of gas, with some modifications those truck ran on burning wood. large canisters were installed on the sides of trucks where smaller pieces of wood were churning and producing smoke that fueled engine (I could only assume it was CO gas which was burning later to CO2 inside the engine). I always wanted to see that running. Thank you.

My only thought is, measuring the RPMs of the engine as it was evident in the video that the valve from the vapor setup was affecting the speed of rotation. if the engine was spinning at a different rate between the two setups; then it is difficult to make an adequate assessment on the effectiveness of the vapor system. I would argue that even a 100 rpms would have a significant impact over the course of 20 minutes.

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

The governor was still hooked up. The engine self regulates it's rpm once it's fed the proper ratio from his valve and runs properly. The thesis is that the fuel savings on vapor is supposed to be "incredible" and "so good oil companies want it hidden" so even with this basic test here it really blows that theory out of the water. If someone could sell a big truck that got 50mpg they'd be doing it...

Reuse that yellowish fuel with the high oxygen content and see if that performs better or worse than pure gasoline

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

Great recommendation.

@rickdees251

5 жыл бұрын

What makes you think the color I'd due to it being oxygenated? Gasoline has many components, it is a blend of different hydrocarbons which evaporate at different rates. It is more likely that factor causing the color change, imo.

@lancaster5077

5 жыл бұрын

You could probably analyse before and after residue using chromatography at a local lab - not very hard to do actually. Interesting to see ?

@0ut0FSYNK

5 жыл бұрын

The discoloration is probably a mix of dust and oxidation of components of the fuel. The performance differences due to contamination is likely negligible.

@rickdees251

5 жыл бұрын

Timothy Jesse I suppose it's possible due to dust in part. No doubt without having a dust filter on the air intake dust is free to enter. However, when typical dust is allowed to accumulate on a surface over time it's not any shade of yellow. Just saying. Without a doubt there is a color change, which indicates the makeup of the fuel has been changed from the fuel started with. Cheers.

What concerns me is the condition of this dude's lawn and his crazy mowing pattern. 😜

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

lol. Funny! Thanks

@matthewszostek1819

5 жыл бұрын

He was testing variable loading performance. The test was genius and its the first time I have ever seen this done on video with one of these engines. Nobody ever shows a loaded vapor or GHEET engine.

@hoamai2734

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewszostek1819 WTF is GHEET?

I was super surprised that you were able to make it work. Of course an old lawnmower engine wouldn't be too picky about the air/fuel ratio, and your setup was close enough.

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

I love this guy,s test,s! He makes YOU feel like you graduated from ITT! This is a very humble and talented MAN !

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

You're answering all of my big questions that I've casually wondered about for years.

@ProjectFarm

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! Thanks for watching.

thats a good way to survive without a carb in emergencys

@jimmio3727

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! This is the smartest comment on here. Carburetor jets are always plugged and you just need to mow? HANDLED.

@stephenmayer9228

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmio3727 yes... no carb? Make a fuel air bomb! 👍

@bjcomp2384

3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree, looking at it, the purpose of a carb or injector is to make fuel vapor mixed at a decent ration( I wouldn't always say good) this is probably making a very rich fuel ratio(not sure I haven't tried it yet) but never the less, it will get your lawn mowed or your clunker down the trail if the carb clogs.

@senseisecurityschool9337

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah pretty much he made his carburetor. Which is why I knew ahead of time you can run an engine on vapors. That's what the carburetor in a regular engine DOES - vaporize the fuel and mix it with the air. Is it going to use less fuel? No, the engine as delivered from the factory *already has* a carburetor, so it's ALWAYS been running on vapor.

@balistallamas8510

3 жыл бұрын

@Robert Andrews You are correct it could be a break through other than fuel is upper cylinder lubricant and when an engine runs lean for a long time the wear and tear is to much for the (wear) rings to handle and also a engine needs enough fuel up top to keep it cool or again the rings and hardened valve seats can fail

Another small feature to this setup is you must obtain the same level of fuel in your vapor container it's a must because the lower the fuel level runs the leaner the fuel ratios go I'm adding a swamp cooler fill valve to my vapor box on my truck so after I get it running and tune my vapor valve to the engine it will always run smoothly then you can see major change in fuel consumption

You're one of a handful of channels that I always make sure to check regularly for new videos to watch but I rarely comment. This video is far from being my favourite of yours but I thought I'd give your algorithm a little boost while it's in my head 🤣

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

I actually saw this happen many years ago with a Ford PU with a 351 engine. It was converted to run on Duel fuel, Propane or Gasoline, the customer came in with a very rough idling engine on Propane. We turned off the propane and it started idling smoothly, the system used a shut off solenoid to stop gasoline flow. We checked it by taking the Gas line going into the carburetor off and there was no fuel flow into the Carb. We then to double check removed the Propane vapour hose going into the Propane mixer, the engine still ran, a good mystery to solve. We then thought of what could be any other fuel source and pulled the PCV valve from the valve cover, the engine quit. Pulling the oil dipstick revealed a very overfull crankcase. The diaphragm had burst in the mechanical fuel pump ran from the camshaft so gasoline was pumping into the crankcase and evaporating. New fuel pump and an oil change and the Mystery was solved.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Old Diesel tech here. Retired x3, still learning! Thank you for your efforts. Curious as to head temp, emissions ect. I think you're on the right track. Enjoyed the video.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Hi Todd, I absolutely love your videos! Have you ever considered trying to get an engine running on wood gas using a gasifier? I have seen a few people pull it off on KZread in the past, and would love to see how you would go about doing it! If I recall correctly, the U.S. Government released documentation on how to make a gasifier and run an engine on wood gas in an emergency situation. Definitely worth looking in to if you have the time!

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

@spontastic

Жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm I concur on this one. I would love to see you work with a wood gasifier. But my request goes above that. This is an old WWII or before technology that I think someone could improve modern day. I want to see you build this and improve it to whatever perfection you can reach. There is FEMA documentation on a wood gasifier. But there are also many videos on youtube about it. I've got a couple to get you started here below. They're some of the better postings I've found. Cant wait to see you do this idea! My post on colin furze gasifier video The cyclone filter seems to be extremely helpful in a wood gasifier for removing junk. Also you need to cool the gas way down, this cleans the gas more and makes it denser. Also your final filter medium doesn't seem to be dense enough. Usually people use like hamster bedding or hay packed in to catch the rest of the particles. The heat in this causes 20% H2, 20%CO, 5%CH4, and the rest nitrogen. You do need dry wood to best do this and pellets are a common fuel. Some good areas to find information on these devices are these videos, "Running Your Engine on Wood-Gas with Wayne Keith!", "Wood Gas Part 2: Extras and In-Depth Info", and "amazing homemade gasifier uses wood pellets to run generator -- renewable alternative energy video". One last place to get a lot of good information about these is from the United States FEMA-Gasifier-Plans.

I did gas, methanol and water vapor experiments back in 1977. It did slightly reduce combustion temperatures, and you could increase the timing a little as well. But maintaining the mixture ratios and shutting down the methanol and water well before engine shutdown to reduce rust and corrosion just made it impractical. I did get 21 mpg with a 68 Chevy Pickup truck with a 250Ci and 411 rear end gears. But I also got similar results with premium fuel and advancing the timing and a little hot air added to the intake which was a totally transparent system requiring no extra effort on the drivers part. Engines have come a long way since then.

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Gasoline only contains so much energy, no matter how you extract it. All engines run on gas vapors, they don't burn liquid gas, as the gas is atomized upon entering the combustion chamber. This increases surface area to increase vaporization. Liquid gas is very hard to ignite, gas vapor is highly flammable, and very dangerous.

@glumpy1024

6 жыл бұрын

You point out a basic rule of physics that seems to escape most of the fairy dust and unicorn believers. Some people seem so hell bent on wanting to believe in a miracle ( or conspiracy) they will throw common sense/ fact and logic out the window to fool themselves.

@PixlRainbow

6 жыл бұрын

Shelby Seelbach "gasoline only contains so much energy, no matter how you extract it"....that is assuming that your engine is already 100% efficient and that you cannot reduce wastage any further.

@shelbyseelbach9568

6 жыл бұрын

Pixl Rainbow no matter how efficient your motor is, gasoline only contains so much energy, no matter how you extract it. Nothing you said makes anything i said incorrect. No motor even burns gas at 100 percent efficiency. This would require an air to fuel ratio of approximately 15 to 1, which is known as a stoichiometric (not sure of spelling any more) mixture in which all fuel and oxygen are consumed. All motors run slightly rich to allow the unburnt fuel to carry heat away from the combustion chamber. This is why you have all the shit on your car, egr, catalytic converter, etc. to deal with unburnt fuel in the exhaust. Of course this motor will run on gas vapor, all gas burning motors run on gas vapor already.

@PixlRainbow

6 жыл бұрын

Shelby Seelbach you just completely misunderstood the phrasing and contradicted yourself lel. I give up

@shelbyseelbach9568

6 жыл бұрын

Pixl Rainbow ok?

Becoming a fan of this channel. I love the experiments you do. So practical and relatable. And you still comment on all of your videos. This is insane. You got yourself a new sub.

@ProjectFarm

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for watching and subscribing!

@liggerstuxin1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectFarm with your hard work and dedication it’s no wonder your channel is the size it is. Hopefully it keeps growing. I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t. Great contact my, man keep it up!

6 years ago and hes still alive. nice.

In 1974 there was an article in Popular Mechanics featuring a vapor powered engine that got 100 miles/gal. The guy that invented it installed it in a Ford and drove it for 100 miles to show it worked. Never heard anything more about it.

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

i suspect the color change was at least partially from the ethanol in gas absorbing water from the air

@ProjectFarm

6 жыл бұрын

This makes sense. Thanks for commenting!

@jgingiloski

6 жыл бұрын

That is exactly what it is.

@DrewskisBrews

6 жыл бұрын

I imagine the air-chilled fuel condenses quite a bit of water. Also makes a decent air filter

@kencramer1697

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be such a better place for our engines if we could just put our corn back into corn flakes where it belongs and out of our gas tanks? I still want to smack the person what came up with the great idea of using a food crop for fuel. Not only does it decrease the overall efficiency of our engines (Ethanol has less potential energy than gasoline) but it decimates the storage life of fuel, gums up parts and absolutely destroys the carbs on small equipment.

@cpufreak101

6 жыл бұрын

If you want to know who, look up the book "alcohol can be a gas" though personally, Ethanol does have it's uses, for example it has been proven that fuels high in ethanol actually result in less pollution from the tail pipe (for example, e85 is a very clean burning fuel compared to E0) but the difference with E0 is, is it's much more energy dense, leading to higher MPG's, which is why I prefer to run E0 when I can

If you heat wood up to 211* F it will produce gas that can be piped directly into the top of a carburetor and run an engine. Germans proved it worked when they ran their cars on wood gas during a gas shortage. Could be a good video Idea.

@ProjectFarm

6 жыл бұрын

Great recommendation!

@101perspective

6 жыл бұрын

I remember doing a chemistry experiment in high school where we heated wood in a test tube with a hose leading out to another one which was cooled. We got flammable liquid in the 2nd tube. I suspect that the German experiment you mention was doing basically the same thing only they went straight to engine in gas form instead of letting it turn into a liquid.

@daveroy1066

6 жыл бұрын

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@LaatiMafia

6 жыл бұрын

Germans also used wood powered engines with practice purpose Tiger tanks.

@Bednar121

6 жыл бұрын

"Garage 54" channel already did that ;) Would be nice to see a non-slavic approach tho :D

You should try this again . I myself have seen this work . My dad got some plans / ideas from a buddy and we did it on a courier in 1978 . Your efficiency test would have been drastically different had you heated hat fuel canister ! The sweet spot is 80-90 degrees . You should know vapors come with heat ! My dad's buddy claimed 200+ miles on a Folgers tin as long as you keep it in the sweet spot !

@jackywinyu9069

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. Like Ogle, I am also a car mechanic. For the current gasoline engine, I have already studied the fuel. Thank you very much for your advice, which helped me improve the structure in my mind. Thank you very much

If you heat the canister up you'll get a lot more vapor instead of just agitating the air I would assume and it has to be a closed container with a very low heat element

5:38 even with his face out of frame you can feel how surprised he is

I had to laugh when I saw this. 30+ years ago I did extensive testing of vapor fuel using a large generator… slow running (1800) with a fixed load. I used a heating system to vaporize the fuel as it exited my vaporizer (fed by a pump). The reason for this was to vaporize ALL the gas, not just the lighter components as you did. With full control of mixture, and timing, I could see zero significant difference. This makes sense, because LIQUID DOESN’T BURN. It must be vaporized to burn. Carburetors meter the fuel into the air stream where most of it becomes vapor before entering the cylinder, where the heat of combustion vaporizes the rest….. Gas engines do run on vapor. I also ran a Ford V8 on diesel vapor, waste oil vapor, vaporized plastic, vaporized rubber, and vaporized wood. The latter was used during WW2 in Europe to power cars, trucks, and buses when gas became scarce. Called “gasogens”. Diesel engines also run on vapor. The fine droplets are vaporized by the very high temps from high compression. Miracle carbs like the famous Pogue never yielded the claimed results….. just a scam. I can and will say that to anybody because I played with it extensively, pursuing every lead. BOGUS!!

@ilblues

2 жыл бұрын

I remember in the early 1980's, the classified section of the Enquirer newspaper had several advertisements for "Secrets of the 200mpg carburetor" - which proved to be patent (?) drawings for the Pogue carb and the Fish carb a few of which were produced in the 1950's. One web site says they made and sold 125,000 of the Fish which supposedly delivered 20-30% better mileage than a conventional carb. Conspiracy theories held that Fish was driven out of business by big oil. Before my time anyway.

@stonetoolcompany3649

2 жыл бұрын

@@ilblues The Fish carb was manufactured for awhile…..A friend of mine had one, and we put it on several vehicles. There was nothing remarkable about it. It had a unique fuel metering system involving a tapered slot and an arm with an orifice that served as a jet. As you opened the throttle, the orifice followed the slot (inside the float bowl) as I recollect. The arm had a fuel passage inside it and connected to the throttle shaft, which if I remember correctly was hollow and drilled with multiple holes which delivered the fuel into the air stream. It was not a particularly good carburetor…..The ordinary Motorcraft and Rochester 2 barrel carbs worked better. I once saw a Pogue hanging on the wall in a neighbor’s shop…. In his 70’s at the time, he made wild claims about a Dodge Polara that supposedly made 200 mpg with it…. But he hung it on the wall when the car wore out and never used it………. Who wouldn’t have done the same ;-). You should have heard his UFO stories….. He watched them all the time supposedly. I have to admit that I once saw one and watched it through my 10X50s from an estimated 1.5 miles off for about 10 min. (1979). I was in an old IH pickup in the pine hills on a huge Eastern Montana ranch. I saw enough detail that I have no doubt these many years later what I was looking at.

@ilblues

2 жыл бұрын

@@stonetoolcompany3649 Being a Puget Sound native, I'm more fascinated with Bigfoot. When we finally capture one, I'm certain his UFO won't be far and that will solve both mysteries! They're really Wookies, you know. Seriously, I've never actually seen either, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Recent UFO declassifications have been intriguing.

@davemould4638

2 жыл бұрын

You could mount your fuel vaporiser directly onto the engine's intake manifold. It would need a name ... how about calling it a "carburettor" ? Heating will not vapourise the fuel any more, but will stop the possibility of ice formation in cold weather while also reducing the power output of the engine as the vapour has a lower molecular weight (less fuel/air mix per intake stroke).

@edwardmulder3777

2 жыл бұрын

@@ilblues coast to coast radio show talks about both a lot of, used to at least, esp from the creator of the show ,Art Bell, rip.

For the curiosity, the need to know, and ingenuity. Excellent !

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

If you look back to the beginning of motorcycles, some of them worked on a vapor set up. There was a reservoir of fuel which air flowed across, picking up the fumes and burning them. The opening for air to enter the reservoir was larger than the tubing on the other side which fed the engine. The vacuum created by the down stroke of the piston drew in the vapor but because of the reduction of the feed tube, the velocity increased, pulling the vapor into the engine faster. Like with your ball valve set up, these primitive systems used a venturi with a throttle plate to regulate the mix. This wasn't about economy..it was about making it run. once the carburetor became available the vapor system was forgotten. Thanks for trying this...I had my doubts as well!!

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

Did you not know that vapour carburetors were one of the standard ways to fuel a petrol engine before the venturi type carburetor was invented?

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting on this!

@ioccatonyz1

5 жыл бұрын

Engine back-firing is why vapors are dangerous.

@FrankieBoyThe1NdOnly

5 жыл бұрын

@Maxon Dimber unless it's a rotary ;)

@colemanadamson5943

5 жыл бұрын

@Maxon Dimber EXCEPT direct injection into the cylinder allows the intake valves to get loaded with crud causing other problems.

@2Buildor2Break

5 жыл бұрын

Any chemistry major can tell you that this will be true, it's called activation energy, combustion is a chemical reaction, some chemical reactions have a higher activation energy than others, for example burning diesel requires more energy than gasoline, and gasoline vapor, requires less energy. By adding a - bong - err i mean vapor inducer to the intake you are lowering the activation energy of the fuel mixture by changing the state of the fuel, however, the small efficiency increase is not worth the risks involved with adding air, or heat to a tank of gasoline on a passenger vehicle. The claims of >10% more efficiency are simply B.S. however, as the activation energy of gasoline is

How much Nitrous can a lawnmower take?

@177SCmaro

6 жыл бұрын

Blorox Cleach The amount up to and including that which is nessisary to separate head gasket from block, or rod from piston.

@bloroxcleach

6 жыл бұрын

I have seen that video. It is only one lawn mower and it is from 2006 so engines and what not have probably changed a little bit

@3beltwesty

6 жыл бұрын

I boosted a flathead Briggs 3.5 HP with 2 psi boost back in high school with no problems. :)

@bloroxcleach

6 жыл бұрын

forced injection or nitrous?

@3beltwesty

6 жыл бұрын

Forced air via a vacuum cleaner hose to the air intake ie where the air filter was. But I also had to pressurize the fuel tank cap to not have the gas shoot out of the tanks vent hole! The engine was a 3.5 Hp horizontal engine on a reel mower, the engine was say mid 1960's era as its engine vintage. You can hook up a compression test gauge to in the spark plug hole to measure with and without boost. My test data was in an old Clintons book that went under in Katrina. The without and without boost compression psi numbers were sort of like the 16.7/14.7 ratio ie the gauge pressure ratios. Many carbs have all sorts of vents thus just pressurizing the air intake will not work. ie gas flows out via vents like mine did ie the tank's vent hole. Thus before trying explore where liquid is leaking before any starting attempts!

I was getting excited to see how the internals looked in terms of carbon. Maybe a comparison could be done with liquid fuel. I’ve also been thinking maybe you can run a mower on corn flour dust? Love your work. If I was still teaching Science I’d be using your videos to critique your scientific method.

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Great demonstration! If you could measure it, there would be an increase in power output and efficiency because the lawnmower doesn't allow you to lean the air/fuel mixture. If there is a means to exceed the results of fuel injection, one would need to build a modified ICE engine or 'from the ground up'. You are on the right track.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

It might turn yellow due to additives in the fuel that don't like to evaporate, so they are left behind.

@gordonjcp

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking water vapour getting entrained in the petrol, I wonder how humid it is there?

@patw52pb1

6 жыл бұрын

We have performed a similar experiment and if the fluid is allowed to sit for a few hours it will deaerate, return to its former transparent color and may even separate with the absorbed moisture component on bottom that has also combined with the ethanol component and the gasoline component floating on top. The cloudy color change was/is from entrained air suspended in the fluid combined with moisture (humidity) absorbed by the ethanol portion of the fluid from the air passing through the fluid. Passing the air through the fluid (liquid gasoline+ethanol) effectively becomes a dehumidifier for the air passing through the fluid.

@jeffledlow1955

6 жыл бұрын

would this "super oxygenated" fuel burn more efficiently? If so would it not make sense to route a vacume hose through the gas tank in order to achieve that result AND have the benefit of the extra vapors being plumbed into the intake ready for use?

@mikewest712

6 жыл бұрын

That is just water mixing with the ethanol. Dweeds

@brayden9150

6 жыл бұрын

The Joker probably or just remains from the petroleum

Your valve on the hose is not adjusting the air/fuel ratio into the carburetor. It’s only controlling the air flow. The air/fuel ratio is purely based on the amount of fuel able to evaporate in the container while you’re sucking the air through it. If you want to start researching improved fuel economy, you have to start adjusting the air/fuel ratio to perfect the engines efficiency. The engine was getting so much vapor it wouldn’t run until you closed the valve most of the way. Add a second valve taking air from the atmosphere into the same line. Then you can adjust ratios by manipulating the 2 valves.

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@basilkearsley2657

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea

I was told to do this but heat the fuel. The heated fuel should expand and be more flammable or ready to burn. Then you should be able to cut back just a little bit more.

Heat the fuel to optimal vaporizer temps. Very cool to see this method work. Thanks.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

Very interesting, RPM should have been taken into consideration, I think .

@tomwerner3671

4 жыл бұрын

definitely sounded like it was running at a higher rpm via the vaporizer.

@Lappmogel

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomwerner3671 Doesn't he have a generator now? He could run the same test and see how much power it generates.

@eddies_garage

4 жыл бұрын

lawnmowers and all small engines in general are goverened by an airflow actuated governer, so as long as the throttle is open itll run at the same rpm

Very interesting. I was very skeptical as well. I'm glad I have the answer now so thanks!

@ProjectFarm

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive comment.

@natesofla8776

6 жыл бұрын

Project Farm Hey thanks for the reply. It's very cool to know that you take the time to read the viewers comments. The videos are great and a lot of fun to watch. I know a lot of us out there wish we were able to test some of the things that you actually do. Hope everything continues to go well!

Several decades ago there was a story in the news about a man that built a carburetor that got 100mpg and it quickly disappeared never to be heard from again. I believe he based it on this same principle.

@kevinharrison5620

Жыл бұрын

Thomas Ogle

I saw another video where in the bubbler they also mix water with the fuel. This makes the engine run cooler and because water expands when turned into a gas form it will increase the fuel mileage.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Great video! Very neat visual of how the expansion chamber works. BTW, all combustion is a correctly proportioned mixture of fuel (vapor) and air (O2), liquids never burn.

@DonziGT230

2 жыл бұрын

"Liquids never burn" is exactly why something like this can improve economy, it removes the waste that comes from un-atomized fuel that normally reaches the combustion chamber.

He built a gasoline bong

@gamebug1152

6 жыл бұрын

I just noticed it does have the same mechanics s a bong lol ;)

@Footrotflats251

6 жыл бұрын

i built one out of a 1L methylated spirits (alcohol) bottle and ran a mower on it - it stalled out ofter 5 minutes and i couldent figure out why - started back up if i topped the fuel up (it hadent even used that much)

@missprofotos

6 жыл бұрын

chris cole a

@jamesharrell4360

6 жыл бұрын

LV426 xenomorph "life is as extreme as you want to make it" - spongebob

@chriscole1726

6 жыл бұрын

Well when I look closely at my carb it's not vaporizing gas it sprays mist out not vaporizing so I pull bs card

Genial! Muchas gracias, por tu tiempo y dedicación para hacer estos videos tan educativos y admiro mucho tu profesionalismo para dar tu opinión sin ser grosero o despectivo con los demás de nueva cuenta mil gracias y saludos desde México

My neighbor pumped oil wells here in northwest ohio, from age 16, to age 90. For many years he used a 1939 Dodge truck with a hoist mounted on the frame. The engine for that hoist, ran off the fumes from a tank behind the cab. He said he would put 50 or so gallons of crude in the tank, and the hoist would run for a "good long while". Then he said he would drain the tank into the product tank, and put fresh oil in it. I thought he was pulling my leg, but there was no fuel tank on the hoist engine. A rubber hose ran from the top of the tank to the engine.

There was some research about using ultrasound to atomize gasoline more evenly and completely.

@waptek2

4 жыл бұрын

same outcome

@joseph2095

4 жыл бұрын

I think the goal is vaporization. Heat has been used to accomplish this.

@ThomasMOPrikakis

4 жыл бұрын

Nobody wants to microwave gasoline. Sorry.

@Daniel-59

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, decades ago. Was snake oil then and still is.

@ThomasMOPrikakis

4 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-59 it isn't snake oil. And the whole snake oil phrase has merit. Lard from meat is quite useful. Especially in survival situations. Ultrasound vaporization is used extensively with liquids. Combustible ones as well. Fact remains, though. No one wants to microwave combustible liquids. It's dangerous. Most people have problems putting an electric liquid pump in gas tanks which very clearly have electricity terminals connecting to them. Especially when they think about those terminals or wires arching in some fashion and exploding the fuel tank.

Carbureted engines do this already. The carb atomizes the fuel, then when the fuel gets into the warm engine and is exposed to the lower pressure, it vaporizes.

@gjamaica3167

4 жыл бұрын

He made a big carburetor

@tomsparks3259

4 жыл бұрын

@@gjamaica3167 It looks like it has about the same capacity. Size is irrelevant here. Ultimately gas engines all burn vapor. The only difference is where the fuel becomes vapor. Liquid gasoline won't burn. It is pretty volatile, (meaning it evaporates fairly quickly without high temperatures,) so the vapor in sufficient concentration will burn easily. The remarkable thing about this video is that such a crude vaporizer actually seems to work pretty well!

@familytime2891

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Sparks right, that’s big difference between highway miles and local.

@SyaifulAriffin

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomsparks3259 It vaporized right after the injector sprayed?

@rick43pen

4 жыл бұрын

Yah, I was thinking the same thing when i read this title. WTF?

I have done something similar on a chevy geo sprint a few years ago. I used much less vapor than you did here. Testing at 60 mph the car went from 38 mpg to over 70 mpg every time I checked it. I went to the same gas pump every time and set on the slowest setting and when it kicked off I did my calculations from there. I'm quite sure there is another 20-30 mpg more to be had if I had some funding and a couple engineers to work with me....

I'm just glad your still here and didn't some how randomly dissappear!

Congratulations, you just invented a carburetor. Sort of. Lol.

@stealthmode2168

4 жыл бұрын

You stupid idiot

@Beau_Guerrier

4 жыл бұрын

​@@stealthmode2168 r/woosh

@bigpig187

4 жыл бұрын

​@@stealthmode2168 he's right, go back to stealth mode

@Boofedit

4 жыл бұрын

Carbys run on mist of gas sprayed, not vapours, carbys back fire like a bitch if you run on vapours

@stealthmode2168

4 жыл бұрын

@@bigpig187 did i say he was wrong ? You racist degenerate

The secret is heat. If you vaporize gas at it's vaporizing temp (around 500 degrees) you will notice a large boost in fuel economy. The first patent was in 1932 by Charles Pogue for his 200 mpg carb on a Flathead Ford (look it up). It worked but was dangerous as the gasoline is near it's critical flash point. The carb looks like a miniature refinery sitting on the engine and used the exhaust to heat the gas to high temps. The best carb to use is one of the propane conversion carbs as they work well with vapor. The propane is run through a heater unit before the vapor is introduced to the carb, the heater unit is heated by the engine coolant at 180 to 190 degrees. Propane is very cold and needs to be warmed up. The heat units from the 60's through 70's were the best because they were bigger and had a larger heating area for the vapor and works well with alcohol. With all that said the perfect fuel to vaporize at a low temp is alcohol (it vaporizes at 173 degrees) ethanol to be exact and around 70 proof seems to work as well or better than 100 octane leaded fuel! If you run your lawnmower engines on rubbing alcohol 70 proof you will be amazed at how well the engine will run and after a couple tanks of alcohol the inside of your engine will be as clean as new and stay that way. Run synthetic oil and the engine will last forever! Vaporize with heat but be careful. Grain alcohol (ethanol, rubbing alcohol etc) is safer because you can put out an alcohol fire with water as it dilutes the alcohol and the fire goes out quickly. Vaporizing alcohol with 180 degrees is a lot safer than 500 degrees. Back in the 70's when OPEC screwed everyone with the phony gas shortage I experimented with alcohol fuel and found it to work extremely well. I could purchase 55 gallon drums of 190 proof ethanol and dilute it to 70 proof and go out and burn some rubber in my 68 Fairlane 390 GT. I ran everything from my lawnmower, several cars and pickups and a gas powered GM bus that ran on propane which was an easy conversion for alcohol vaporization. Alcohol won't start cold and needs some help. That's easy, just rig up a small propane cylinder for torches or camp stoves and give the engine a couple shots with a tickler valve and it will start up, stumble for a couple of seconds then it will run great. Adjust the carb for higher fuel flow. Have fun

@ProjectFarm

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Taunus-Tim

5 жыл бұрын

there are a lot of causes why gas isn't vaporized by a heat plate nowadays. just two of them: 1) the vaporization of the gas inside the intake system is urgently needed for cooling the intake valve and the piston. 2) the efficiency of an engine drops if the intake mixture is warm. intake has to be as cool as possible.

@jamesmonahan1819

5 жыл бұрын

The coleman stove style carb has been researched. problems with this system are obvious to anyone that has ever gone camping. The venturi type carb uses manifold pressure differential to accomplish the same vaporization as the heat carb. This can be demonstrated through Boyle's Law and Charles Law (Combined Gas Law?). I love a good conspiracy rant. Did you ever hear the one about: "The whole Studebaker factory is being stored in a secret government warehouse somewhere in Nevada"? As I recall it had something to do with a 200 MPG heat carb. I've found an understanding of basic Physics makes me more resistive to wild claims and the like. As for the oil embargo: It was their oil. It was in their country. They chose not to sell to us. What were we supposed to do? Send in the troops?

@lukyva7955

5 жыл бұрын

How about you use the Heat of the motor itself (to get it at least closer to the temperature) so that the economy is the same at the beginning but when the motor gets warm the fuel economy is better?

@radioactivelarry

5 жыл бұрын

The engine temp is not hot enough unless you use alcohol. Doesn't work with gas. Some guys experimented with metal coils wrapped around the exhaust manifolds and run the gas through them and it actually helped. I know a guy that actually got over 90 MPG on a V-8 engine with this setup. After a couple of small fires he determined it was dangerous the way he did it but he proved it would work.

Thank you for sharing! I really enjoyed the entire thing and educated myself with your work! 👍🏼

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

You are welcome! Glad to hear!

I did this same experiment around 1985-ish. (only my 5 HP briggs&stratton motor was stationary). One difference is I had a Tee junction with another valve that I could adjust the vapor/air ratio. What I found was it basically distilled the fuel of all the "good" and burnable liquid fuel, leaving me with a darker colored liquid fuel. I believe all that "gunk" left in the bottom was anything that would not vaporize (under vacuum) and were probably non-burnable additives and such. I was always interested in "vapor carbs" since I was 15 years old (that would be in the mid-1970's!). If you look up all the "vapor carb" patents, most would heat the fuel before vaporizing. This probably helped with the "other stuff" in the fuel. I still think that a modern vapor carburetor might be worth looking into now that we have much more advanced technology/

@ProjectFarm

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Another great video! Love your Channel, you have a great personality. Keep up the awesome work!!

@ProjectFarm

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@COLDROLD73

6 жыл бұрын

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@Q3ToPBuZz

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video. Really appreciate the time and effort you put into these.

@COLDROLD73

6 жыл бұрын

Smokey Yunick proved many decades ago that a metering device is necessary to reach the proper stociometric ratio of between 12 and 14 to 1. [the higher # being air.] and this would be necessary with any engine using gasoline, whether vaporised or atomized. A ratio of approx 12 to 1 is needed for a heavy load and approx 14 to 1 i is used in a steady state, no load , coasting mode. Engineers do this kind of work everyday. Ratios might vary using other gaseous fuels such as propane.

@gasolinevaporsystems9022

6 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct. Thank you.

I just want to throw this out there for everyone. A gasoline engine runs off of vapor. That is the reason a fuel injector works better spraying the fine atomized mist vs a solid stream. The surface area of the mist allows the liquid to become a vapor which is combustible. A carb works on the same principle of turning the liquid into a gas. Engines run off of vapor so the end result in run time between vapor and "liquid" is to be expected.

@TheAnantaSesa

6 жыл бұрын

The point of this is to ensure all fuel entering cylinder is a vapor. No droplets to fail to burn. It's an attempt to improve the carburetor.

@fredhull5711

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon FI works better because pressurized fuel is sprayed thru an orfice, atomizing fuel entering the manifold. Carbed fuel splashes around in a float bowl waiting for a sufficient amount of vacuum to puke it into the manifold. Although, most definitely more atomized, injected fuel is raw, not vapor. The carb mixes fuel and air together in an emulsion. And finally, gas vapor, also, can get too rich or lean. The test motor ran on both setups, but without an O2 sensor and an air/fuel ratio gage, we can't say whether both setups were stociometeric (sp), run time is affected.

@new-clear

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Morrissey

@mojojomo6750

6 жыл бұрын

Mist is not vapor, no matter how small the droplets are.

@immikeurnot

6 жыл бұрын

Funny enough, most carbs vaporize fuel better than fuel injection, what with them usually being further from the intake valve and the high velocity you get through the throat of the carburetor. If your float is set too high, which can result in fuel actually dripping into the carb instead of flowing in a metered trickle, then you'll get liquid fuel into the cylinder. The gains from fuel injection are almost entirely due to more accurate and more responsive metering. Generally, you're stuck with fixed metering jet sizes in a carb for mid and wide open throttle, while the idle is usually adjustable (but still effectively fixed, as it's "set and forget".) With EFI, you can control the metering through both injector on time and fuel pressure simultaneously. "Mist is not vapor, no matter how small the droplets are." The mist vaporizes in the combustion chamber before ignition. Cold engines need to run slightly richer mixture because the fuel isn't vaporizing as well.

Probably new for this channel but not for some people. They are very old videos and magazines reviews with the same results. Old technology that still works.

I have use propane vapor on large tandem trucks for 50 years on the farm as well as my dad and grandad during the depression.

@ProjectFarm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.