You are KZread's gold standard for fair product reporting and always have been..no bullcrap,no windbag opinions,just very concise facts.👍👍👍

@danieljohn6781

10 ай бұрын

And no bull shit sponsors

@HickLif3

10 ай бұрын

After buying some origin mainee jeans and having them fail in less than 2 weeks i'm not so sure any more...

@junkyardhemi

10 ай бұрын

And wickedly entertaining.

@tyrelirwin

10 ай бұрын

@@MohammedAli-mb6oz How high are your standards for free video content??

@aldenconsolver3428

10 ай бұрын

Hes good to listen too.

Let’s be honest. For the second test Todd just wanted a good reason to drive his go kart

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

It was indeed a lot of fun! It was very interesting to compare how the fuels performed

@VitoFur

10 ай бұрын

@@ProjectFarm Well, why not have fun while doing some tests!?

@rogermiller2159

10 ай бұрын

Well ok. But play safe and be home by dinner.

@FreeWill-is-Love

10 ай бұрын

🤣😂🤣 He’s an awesome dude!

@meowmix3129

10 ай бұрын

@@rogermiller2159 Dad?

This man is a world treasure and must be protected at all costs!! Thank you PF for all your hard work and dedication!!👍👍

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

My buddy who ran a motorcycle performance shop had the same conclusions using a dynamometer. He also mirrored Todd's advice: Unless your application requires it, or has signs of pre-ignition/detonation, just use the 87 octane. Well done as usual Todd!

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@chudrustler

3 ай бұрын

Yes. Most air cooled motorcycles require min 91. I have a 04 cbr liquid cooled, that asks for 87- no issues at 11000rpm. My 15 r9t, oil cooled will knock if you run 87 at idle. Same of most air cooled harleys.

@ya472

Ай бұрын

Regular 87 fuel gives better mileage and power in both 2001 Pathfinder 3.5 and 2022 Kona turbo 1.6 DCT.

@yourchava

6 күн бұрын

@@ya472 just got a armada, going to try 87 grade

Only makes a difference if the engine can advance the ignition timing to make use of it.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great point!

@mitchlu

10 ай бұрын

Yes, like in an engine where premium is recommended, but not required, the knock sensor will keep the timing advanced, giving it more power.

@Mikegastaldo

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Deere2154D

10 ай бұрын

To a point. Old school carb you just loosened distributor and advanced it by ear or with light. As dad always said, go till it pings and back it off a hair.

@plop31

10 ай бұрын

exactly ! a Koenigsegg Jesko runs at 1280 HP at 95 octane but reach 1600 HP on Ethanol

I know you put a ton of work into these videos, and we all appreciate it.

@FlushtheSystem

10 ай бұрын

Yes, thank you

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@jamesgheffalump3692

10 ай бұрын

Here here!

@josephpacchetti5997

10 ай бұрын

Same Here. 🇺🇸

@Zhuge_Liang

10 ай бұрын

I would like to agree to this sentiment. I feel bad for not being able to contribute / subscribe financially. I certainly generally do after it's abundantly clear that someone puts YOUR level of dedication into things. I will be browsing your Info though just to make sure I've gotten this answer wrong somehow.

i remember watching you back at 100k subscribers. me and my brother would always watch the vids. still here years later making straight forward informative content. much love

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

I agree with your findings with one notable exception.... In items like generators, pressure washers, etc that are small carbureted engines that are not ran often (or really any engine that is going to let fuel sit in it a long time), ethanol can be petty hard on those engines. Also some air cooled engines in some environments can run pretty hot, and then the higher octane can help prevent predetonation. I am a mechanic and I see what that does all the time. That said, things like my lawn tractor, regular passenger car, even my carbureted F150 truck gets regular 87 octane since they are used more often. A good rule of thumb beyond fuel stability would simply be keep in mind that octane is not a measurement of power or potential energy...its the resistance to knock. You mentioned turbos, but more or less any high compression engine should probably be using higher octane fuel.

@ProjectFarm

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

@Tennesseemountainhomestead

18 күн бұрын

I have run 93 octane gas exclusively in every piece of equipment and automobiles I own. I believe there is a positive difference in performance over cheaper gas and octanes.

Octane is really about preventing Spark knock/ping and pre-igntion. These things are controlled by compression ratio, variable valve timing and ignition timing. With that being said, a great evaluation would be with a modern vehicle that truly benefits from using premium and or mid-grade. Also consider that many two cycle equipment have an 89 octane requirement. 87 is typically perfect for most cars and mowers. Not surprising that it worked well. Changing the ignition timing is a good upgrade from the previous test.

@speedy1759

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Increased hp comes from more timing in the tune which is only supported by higher octane. The fuel itself does not inherently yield more hp.

@Fister_of_Muppets

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. Modern vehicles with turbos will generally run the same with 87 or 93 octane in terms of mpg. However, driving in hot climates, a higher octane will help prevent knocking. If you have a lead foot, running a higher octane fuel will also yield more horsepower in a modern turbocharged engine. If towing, a higher octane fuel is usually more ideal. In other modern engines that are not turbocharged, best advice is to follow the manufacturer's suggestion. For instance, my Lexus has a 3.5L V6, naturally aspirated, and it is factory-tuned to run on 87 octane. For most people, it would make best $$$-sense in this case to run the cheaper 87 octane for typical driving. Spending 20% more for a higher octane would generally be wasting money. Regardless of a small engine or more complex modern automotive engine, the fuel suggestion written in the manual by the engineers will almost always be the correct fuel to use.

@christoferstromberg6605

10 ай бұрын

I'm surprised by this video, haven't seen such low octane fuel before. We have 95 and 98 as the regular ones here in Sweden.

@nono-er4hk

10 ай бұрын

@@christoferstromberg6605 the formula used to calculate the Octane number are different between US and Europe. 87 in US is about the same as 92 in Europe and 91 in US is about 95 in Europe. 93 in US is about 98 in Europe.

@braidend4379

10 ай бұрын

@@Fister_of_Muppets Towing has no effect on compression ratio, that is totally controlled by the difference between cylinder volume at TDC and BDC. Turbos will also have an effect on required octane rating as the pressure of the intake air is higher than atmospheric to begin with. If the engine is naturally aspirated the only thing that affects required octane rating is the compression ratio. Load has nothing to do with it. But elevation and temperature does.

👍 Thumbs Up to Cousin Eddie for taking a bug to the eye and still sticking around to advance the testing science!

@user-pk2fg8im4u

10 ай бұрын

😉

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great point!

@PANZERFAUST90

10 ай бұрын

Todd is so mean to his family.

@scottblankenship650

10 ай бұрын

Congrats to Cousin Eddie for taking a bug to the eye like a champ but I’m not sure if Todd needs to give him a raise (Even with inflation) . He Often falls down on the job. LOL Again, another amazing video. Thank you I won’t spend more money for gas on a carbureted engine that Really benefit from high-octane gas unless it may end up sitting in the carburetor for a couple years then I might use non-ethanol, but still with stabilizer.

@jhart7304

10 ай бұрын

@@user-pk2fg8im4u lol

I’ve had a lot of issues with gas cans. I would love it if you would do a video on the best gas cans. Some are too slow. Some break easy. Some are too complicated. Some are just weird.

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaV5l6WImKXMcc4.html

@casaisis

8 ай бұрын

When I put more than 35 degrees Celsius and gasoline 91 the engine does not sound engine knock but instead if I put 87 and the temperature is more than 25 it sounds engine knock. I usually do the same kilometers with both gasolines. I have a Toyota camry hybrid 2016 Atkinson cycle.

@Jeffmylife

8 ай бұрын

Oh jeez. This reminded me of the time my elderly neighbor asked me to use his gas can to throw a gallon in his VW Beetle. Much like his Beetle, wildly over-engineered for no reason! To use it, you turned a dial to set the flow, flipped a safety switch of sorts on the neck, insert the nozzle, and then pull up on the nozzle guard to allow flow. It took me 15 minutes to figure out a dang gas can 😂

@chrisbondra2090

8 ай бұрын

I use Eagle metal gas cans. They are metal and don't have the ridiculous safety nozzle.

@miriamvivo4279

4 ай бұрын

Epa laws

I truly appreciate your efforts and details you put on those videos. Thanks 😊👍

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Always a good day when PF drops a new video!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

You're the best! Thank you!!

@cadpanacea

10 ай бұрын

Every Sunday at 13:00EDT

I used to own a performance shop and did a lot of ecm dyno tuning. Most cars have 2 tables for ignition timing. They are for low and hight octane. It works off of the knock sensors. It will normally start in the high octane table and if it experiences any knock. It moves to the low-octane table. So by putting in high octane. you end up with more timing for more power and fuel efficiency

@kirkcunningham6146

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, I have a 96 Vette tuned with JETS DST and even a GEN 2 is loaded down with layers of timing retard tables. 93 Octane allows me to increase timing substantial. Especially in WOT...

@jrmaxwell4504

10 ай бұрын

I agree with this. I had a Golf R that required 91 octane. If I put 87 octane in it, I got a slight reduction in power and worse gas mileage. If I put 93 octane in it, both were slightly better. It would detune itself to suit the quality of the gas.

@VxO4fame

10 ай бұрын

Yeah can just share the same experience

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@jedpratte

10 ай бұрын

Now days it’s pump gas and e85 maps. Octane anyway matters when trying to reach MBT and if a motor is knock limited.

I did similar testing 30 years ago with f150 that had carb and distributor ignition. Higher octane fuel allowed more timing before detonating. The increase in mpg due to more power at lower throttle made up for difference in fuel cost at that time. However, due to manually advancing the timing, I’d have to readjust it before running lower fuels again

@phoenix21studios

8 ай бұрын

so you tuned your engine for 93 manually with timing adjustments. makes sense.

@Comm0ut

8 ай бұрын

Early fuels were so varied the T Model Ford had manually adjustable spark advance.

Thanks for taking the time for this test .

Your findings pretty much support what I learned in my 1974 HS Auto class. Higher octane fuel in a lower compression (carbureted) engine is not worth the extra cost. Thank you for this test.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

@masondegaulle5731

10 ай бұрын

No offence to PF but this was a rare "not very good test", where he didn't really demonstrate what higher RON is actually for or how to best utilise it.

@andrewwatson2543

10 ай бұрын

@@masondegaulle5731 i feel your comment irrelevant to this video, no need to say its not a very good test, because it is! its demonstrating fuel difference in a standard small engine .. your idea is a good one for a totally new video though.

@raoulrr

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewwatson2543 " a standard small engine" is why this test is irrelevant, a low-enough compression engine will run on any home-made hooch, only a high compression engine would show the benefits of high octane fuel (or the drawbacks of using a low octane fuel with knock& detonation) By definition, Octane is a measure of detonation resistance in a fuel.

@masondegaulle5731

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewwatson2543 That's _not_ what the title of the video states though, and I can already see a LOT of misinterpretation of these flawed results. I'm a big fan of PF and I've been watching him from before he started these comparison videos, and I have to say unfortunately this is the first test that does more harm than good in that it wasn't conducted properly even for the engines used, never mind that higher RON fuels were never intended for such low compression engines. It also ignores that higher RON fuels typically have better cleaning additives and a better filtration process. At the very least he could have run a test to find the timing advance pinging point for each fuel, and demonstrate what's happening there.

I'd like to see a test on the various gutter guard products to see which ones really keep the gutters free of debris but do the best job of water drainage.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video idea!

@5peciesunkn0wn

10 ай бұрын

Yes! That'd be interesting to see.

@Coolhansolo

10 ай бұрын

Yes please 🙏

@tomtripptree5079

10 ай бұрын

I would too

@bongodave13

10 ай бұрын

Yes!

Your thoroughness and attention to detail is admirable! Thank you

@ProjectFarm

3 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

Love the detailed walk through of methodology. I'm not qualified to judge - but I'm sure after years of feed back, you cover all the angles you have caught flack for before. I have confidence I can trust the results of the testing. Great info!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Project Farm is the gold standard for these kinds of videos. The thoroughness is amazing. No chit chat, no BS, just the facts. Keep up the great work.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@dirtfarmer7472

10 ай бұрын

Old TV Dragnet, Just the facts Ma’am just the facts.

You're correct on turbocharged engines equipped with knock sensors. Premium fuel will make a very signficant difference on these engines which have been calibrated to run more spark advance and higher Manifold Absolute Pressures with leanest possible Fuel/Air ratios. When I was a Engine Development Engineer with a major OEM, we had to develop two calibrations for production - one for premium 93 and one for regular 87 (R+M)/2. We had a feature to protect the engine if the customer misfueled the vehicle and put regular in. The knock sensor output was monitored by the engine control system and all of the injector pulsewidth, spark advance and wastegate duty cycle maps would quickly revert to their predetermined values for the regular calibration. This was re-set after three discrete key cycles on/off. If the customer filled up with premium, the software algortihm would swtich to the premium calibration. The torque and horspower difference between the premium regular calibratins was huge when we did our power runs on the engine dynamomter and corrected to SAE J1349. Lastly, pure gasoline has more enthalpy than ethanol per unit volume. All things being equal, one should achieve better mileage on pure gasoline vs. gasoline+ethanol. Again, people should just read their owner's manual and follow the fuel recommendation there. Great video and thank you!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

@rustirab3465

10 ай бұрын

My 2022 Subaru Impreza's owners manual recommends 87 octane. If I use that, it pings. If I use 91 octane, the pinging stops and the engine runs smoother and gets better mileage. Anyone else noticed this?

@ioannisstavrou2677

10 ай бұрын

@@rustirab3465something is wrong. 87 octane for 2022 car? Manufacturing recommendation error. Subaru brand!! It is expected 😂😂

@07slowbalt

10 ай бұрын

​@@rustirab3465ah my gen 3 coyote makes silly sounds as well but ford claims its "normal" and im not talking about just the typewriter tick. Its amazing how higher octane such as e-85 smoothes it out but i dont give a F. Its getting 87 in my truck lol. If it blows ford is buying a new engine!

@mrsittingmongoose

10 ай бұрын

@@rustirab3465most modern cars will not be happy with 87. Especially because most are using direct injection and turbos. It’s likely your manual is wrong and someone just carried over a typo from previous generations. Does the gas door also say 87?

The quality, design and thought behind these tests are absolutely insane! Who would have thought of the residual fuel? Well, Todd, of course!

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Quickly became one of my favorite KZread channels. Been on a tear catching up to all the videos. Very informative. Keep it up. You're helping all of us

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

the fact that you are putting out at least a video a week is incredible. i can only imagine how hard you work to provide this to us. best channel for watching before sleep!! haha.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@hallobyebye699

10 ай бұрын

True that 👍

@beardedchimp

10 ай бұрын

The amount of work he must put in is unimaginable. I have no idea how he keeps track of so many concurrent tests at the same time, he has 12 month long procedures in among 24hr corrosion tests. His diary must be insane.

@MarkLeinhos

10 ай бұрын

@@beardedchimp He's a natural born project manager!

“Cousin Eddie wanted to be in the action”… 😂😂 Todd, you never fail to make the info entertaining! Can’t thank you enough for all you do for us!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

@graybeard2113

10 ай бұрын

@@ProjectFarm Did you tell him he was bug-eyed? 😆

@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz

10 ай бұрын

Was Cousin Eddie wearing a kilt? What pronouns does he use?

Always been a huge fan of your tests. Subbed!

Great video as always. After switching over to running AMSoil engine oil I'll never look back. Would love to see a video on gear oil for both differential and manual transmissions!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

This guy test things I have always wondered about myself. And then you see his videos and are like " why the hell hasn't anyone tested this stuff or done a review " I love the content and applaud you for your dedication and consistency. These videos are not only entertaining but also educational. Keep it up and I will be subscribing. 👍

@nimay13

10 ай бұрын

In terms of octane rating testing, IIRC 10 years ago some car TV series (could be Top Gear) from the UK made exactly this type of video. Even ran a car on dyno.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do! Thanks for watching and subscribing!

@barefootalien

10 ай бұрын

Agreed for a lot of stuff! But in this case, I think it hasn't been explicitly tested/reviewed, because this is pretty well-understood science, as far as experts go, and _very_ misunderstood by the general public. Once you have a real understanding of what the word 'octane' in this context actually means, what octane levels change about the behavior of fuel, and what engines need what octanes and why, this kind of goes from a test like "Which ratchet brand is best?" to "What flavor of soup is best?" Answer: "The flavor your engine asks for." because there is no 'best' in that case.

@wanglee21

10 ай бұрын

I agree. Most video comparisons only show charts of HP and Torque. I want to see the difference in actual real life situations. "PF" did it best!

@James1095

10 ай бұрын

They are hands down the best and most trustworthy reviews I have found, better even than Consumer Reports, and usually pretty entertaining. I've watched lots of these videos for products I don't even have any interest in purchasing.

The effort that goes into these tests is nothing short of impressive.

@jaredpatterson1701

10 ай бұрын

This man's a national treasure

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

Great video! You certainly put alot of time and effort into these. Thank you sir. I have subscribed.

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for watching and subscribing!

Another great video on a practical topic. Thank you (& the viewer who suggested it).

@ProjectFarm

Ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

Octane shouldn't make anything faster or more powerful unless the engine is designed to adjust timing or has an anti knock sensor. So it'll be interesting to see your results.

@orangejjay

10 ай бұрын

This was my thought ... what's the point of this video? Octane isn't about performance or "benefits." It's about using what your engine is designed for. Heck, many a car these days designed for 93 can handle 87 just fine as the the ECU will retune the car based on perceived octane (usually thanks to the knock sensor).

@igelbofh

10 ай бұрын

Yes and no. If you get lower than the fuel you need and try to go over a mountain the engine will knock and the ECU will switch to limp mode - second gear at 1200 rpm. So it can be "less powerful"

@benhecker1704

10 ай бұрын

An anti-nock sensor will allow a wider range of octane that an engine will run on, not run efficiently on. An engine with 9-1 compression will run on 91 but use more fuel. Octane requirements are a function of the compression of the engine. The higher the compression the higher the octane.

@court2379

10 ай бұрын

I would say valve timing, not ignition. The compression ratio needs to be higher to get the most out of the higher octane fuel.

@benhecker1704

10 ай бұрын

@@court2379 you can compensate for higher octane with only ignition timing. It is far more complex to compensate for lower octane. But yes octane is a requirement of compression. This test is pointless.

A bar and chain oil comparison would be very helpful.

@southernNCfamily

10 ай бұрын

Yes !

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great suggestion! I'll do it! Cheap vs expensive to include the big brands!

@garyharper2943

10 ай бұрын

@@ProjectFarmplus old engine oil!

@graybear7084

10 ай бұрын

​@@ProjectFarmcompared to sae 30

@ElChupraNeibre

10 ай бұрын

​@@ProjectFarm Also try used motor oil and vegetable oil. I used used motor oil once and it seemed to work fine, but it was just one tank full. Thanks for another great video 👍👍👍👍

Great demonstration. I was using 89 octane, now using 87. Saves me money. Thanks!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

For those discussing winter storage of lawn and garden engines, always pull the spark plug and spray some fogging oil in the spark plug hole before reinserting a New and properly gapped correct spark plug. Add BOTH Stabil 360 & Star Tron Enzyme fuel additive into the gas tank and it will not matter if you use 87 or 91 octane, even if they both have 10% ethanol. Been doing this for years with perfect success 1st pull starts every time, even after sitting all winter (or spring, summer fall for the Snowblower).

Would love to see this test with 1 year old fuel and some with stabilizer.

@gtm624

10 ай бұрын

Yes. I find that the 93 lasts a bit longer.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

@insanemustaine111

10 ай бұрын

Taryl fixes all did a VERY in depth comparison with all fuel additives. I suggest watching that one

@fidel-3470

10 ай бұрын

With stabilizer and without stabilizer pls @projectfarm

@lukaspundzius9293

10 ай бұрын

​@@ProjectFarmIn Europe its only 95 and 98, was 5 years ago 92

Video idea: dry pour concrete vs traditional wet pour. I don’t think anything has done 28 day cylinder break test comparison. Would also be good to make samples and cut them down the middle to show the difference in how they cure. Thank you sir and keep up the good work!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.

@justinavery4047

10 ай бұрын

I have always wondered how they differ. And what happens if the water doesn't penetrate to the middle of the concrete to get it wet? Does it get sealed out by the concrete that did get wet?

@bixby9797

10 ай бұрын

Wouldn't be a bad idea to test a few different brands and Sakrete vs mixing your own.

@KreemieNewgatt

10 ай бұрын

Dry pour is largely a gimmick. Will it work somewhat? Yes. Is it as strong as wet pour? No, not even close.

@austincrane1465

10 ай бұрын

@@ProjectFarm If you do the concrete idea that would be awesome. The only thing I would like to see is how strong a concrete sample is with vibration, acrylic polymer (keeps concrete moist, expedites curing process) and use ponding (keeping concrete submerged in water) for the full 28 days. I'm just curious how strong concrete can get when the sample is left curing without any possibility of drying and honeycombing.

I would not expect to see any performance differences in terms Octane. The true test would be a long term study of the affects of ethanol on the rubber parts of the carb. and any rubber seals. As mentioned earlier Octane won't really affect much on this type of engine. as always excellent job!!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@miriamvivo4279

4 ай бұрын

Engine knock?

Long time follower. Great work. I trust your work. I don't say that often. I have a test. I have used Extreme Fuel Treatment (also called Fuel Factor X) for over a year tracking my fuel economy. It makes numerous claims, I only tracked my fuel efficiency but would be interested in the other claims. I tracked my fuel mileage for a year to account for seasonal changes (Vermont) and to establish a baseline. I then used XTF for a year. Then stopped using it for a year to confirm results. Without sharing my results, I would be curious of your results.

@ProjectFarm

23 күн бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

I run the non-ethanol in my small lawn equipment to preserve the life of the carb and other parts that alcohol eats. Great work!

@markschommer7407

10 ай бұрын

Same here. Some of my older equipment doesnt like ethanol. It doesnt run quite the same.

@CptSweetCheeksJr

10 ай бұрын

Same, my old lawn mower had to be rebuilt every year or two before I made the switch.

@timb7775

10 ай бұрын

I can't find non ethanol at any gas stations so I'll just mix in seafoam with the gas, never have any carb issues.

@ernestgalvan9037

10 ай бұрын

@@timb7775…here in Texas, you can find non-ethanol at some Walmart ‘Murphy’s’ fuel stations… not all have it… in my town, only 2 of 5 Murphy’s have it. And I ALWAYS buy this fuel for my small-engine machines…. Weed-eaters, trimmers, edgers, chainsaws, lawnmowers, small tractor. No fuel-tube rotting, less carb rusting…. Oh, and I ALWAYS run the carb dry when done for the day, either by emptying the tank, or shutting the fuel valve.

@HotRod-wv4vm

10 ай бұрын

I remember using Ethanol back in 77/78 on my K5 Blazer and the Ethanol ate the silicone sealant that was used on my Edelbrock manifold. I found the pieces in my fuel filter. The truck would idle fine but once you started driving the silicone would be sucked into the fuel filter. After that I added another clear in line filter.

You know it's a good day when Project Farm uploads

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

When I was a young man,I used to use low octane fuel for my lawn and garden things,I always had a little trouble cranking things after winter.I switched to 93 octane,for my lawn and garden tools,never had another problem after winter storage.

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

@mrad.13

5 ай бұрын

Nice

@MCEdziits

5 ай бұрын

For gardening tools - only premium grade with the lowest ethanol content. Ethanol is not good for carbs and fuel lines.

@raymondhoward4147

5 ай бұрын

I might try that. I usually use a little spritz of quick start for that situation.

@alansach8437

4 ай бұрын

Just remove the sparkplug, put a squirt of gas in the hole, replace the plug and it will start right up. I do this with all my lawn tools and snowblower at the beginning of each season. Never a problem starting after sitting during the offseason. Nearly always start on first try. Have never used premium gas in any of them, however, I do make sure I am using fresh gas or at least gas that has had Stabil added to it when it was fresh.

Love this guy's videos, takes a lot of time to perform these tests and I really appreciate it!!

@ProjectFarm

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I appreciate the heck out of the thorough way in which you evaluate products. I think it's very scientific, in that the experiments are consistent in methodology and repeatable. Plus I like the fact that you don't just give us conclusions, you "show us your work."

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@anthonypierre2094

10 ай бұрын

Said exactly what I was think. Man this guy is thorough!

This guy is the best and I always appreciate the work he puts into his tests.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

@drive-2786

10 ай бұрын

he talks too much ,I'm still confuse as to which is better to buy for the car .

@101Volts

10 ай бұрын

@@drive-2786 In short: if your car runs on 87 E10 without asking for a higher grade, use that. If your car requires either 89 or 93, use either one. But if your car *can* run on on 87 but is _specifically designed_ to have more power with 93 (not all cars have this,) then you can choose any grade from 87 to 93. *But* if you're storing the car for at least a month, or are using lawn equipment or other small engines, use Ethanol Free Fuel. Ethanol Free Fuel lasts longer, won't attract moisture, and won't leave sludge deposits in small engines.

@drive-2786

9 ай бұрын

@@101Volts ,thank you its a 2009 dodge caravan .3.3L

@randallrougeau530

9 ай бұрын

Me too!!!

Great information...Thanks for taking the time to test these different gasoline levels!!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

Your time and effort are appreciated on all the videos. How about a video on stored gas in say one gallon containers? Something like 2,4, and 6 months. I have always heard that gas loses octane the longer it’s in the container. Kudos and please keep up the great work!

@ProjectFarm

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.

@Tbizzh

4 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I'm wondering. How does the shelf life compare? With and without a sealed can.

I always use non-eth gas in small engines. It's not about the power but more for the stability of the fuel. Also ethanol fuel is very prone to pulling in moisture from the air which just makes it go bad all the quicker and cause corrosion issues in tanks and carb bowls.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@ikipearl

10 ай бұрын

yes, plan on having to clean fuel system before using any equipment if fuel with ethanol stored in equipment for longer periods of time...

@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936

10 ай бұрын

@@ProjectFarm I do this as well. Used to go to a municipal airport to get MOGAS, but last year I found a dedicated pump at SOME Murphys gas stations in the larger area. Mower and snow thrower always start after a half year idle; with a single, drawing of the starter cord..... no hard tugging or multiple tries. I winterize the mower by FILLING the tank. ( And summer eyes the snow thrower also with a full tank )

@Jonhobbs64

10 ай бұрын

Very true! Put a quart of 87 octane in a mason jar un covered, and by the end of the day it will have a half inch of water on the bottom! At least it does here in Texas where I live it's very humid in the summer!

@master_moose

10 ай бұрын

It's also worth putting it in vehicles that were built before about 2000 (I don't remember the exact year), because their fuel systems weren't designed for ethanol. It can, and has, caused major leaks and fires.

I remember when this channel was ten times smaller in terms of subscribers. We love your hard work and your recognition is well deserved. Well done!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

@kevinray8106

6 ай бұрын

I am very thankful for all the work he has done on project farm. It has helped in some buying decisions.

@h2w25

6 ай бұрын

He’s very thorough

I love your videos, they are quick, to the point and no nonsense. Love it!

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

That's a pretty amazing video and test lots of detail appreciate your hard work..

@ProjectFarm

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

It would've been interesting to see how much you could advance the timing before you got knock on each of the fuels. Higher octane fuels are generally more suited for high output applications, so would've been cool to see that more

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

I absolutely love the pure data of this channel. No bs yt fluff. No dragging on for 5 minutes just to make people watch (it doesn't work, we click away). I legit watch for the pure information provided. They area great. Well done my man.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

My favorite part is the upgraded flywheel key. And it is neat to see the results of the tests with different performance levels of the same motor. All in the name of science of course.

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

Man did you do a lot of work for this video! Thank you!

@ProjectFarm

4 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

Usually octane rating doesn't matter on low compression engines. On higher compression engines, the higher octane can make the engine run more efficient and more powerful. Car manufacturers are almost at the point where they need higher octane on these engines in order to reach the cafe fuel requirements set by the government. Great video!

@freebirdchampion

10 ай бұрын

Yep higher octane is needed to resist detonation in higher compression engines.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@James1095

10 ай бұрын

Most modern engines have knock sensors that will back off the timing if detonation is detected. This allows running them safely on low octane fuel without risk of engine damage but you do lose some performance. An engine not designed to take advantage of higher octane will not really benefit from it though.

@omarmotouy

10 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@mt186

10 ай бұрын

It's interesting, the vast majority of turbocharged engines I believe take 91+ but my new 2.7L Canyon runs on 87 as specd by the engineers.

I was recently looking at baseball bats for my son. Seeing the huge variance in price it made me think of this channel. That would be a fun comparison to see what a high end bat actually does different than a cheap bat.

@jasons7070

10 ай бұрын

there's a bat bros channel where they went through all that for cheap to expensive bats.

@MississippiKid96

10 ай бұрын

What he said^

@andysteele4056

10 ай бұрын

@@jasons7070 Oh. Well I'm OK with some independent lab results. A channel called "bat bros" was probably paid off.

@andysteele4056

10 ай бұрын

@@jasons7070 Oh. Well I'm OK with some independent lab results. A channel called "bat bros" was probably paid off.

@complexity5545

10 ай бұрын

Are we talking metal bats. Yeah they make a difference. But you have to size it. Man I wish I still had my $200 metal bat from the 1990s. It might have been Eaton. It would only hit homeruns. I had one bat that I used for control to hit exactly where I wanted (like a golf club). Back in the 1990s we used to play golf to get our swing down. Don't go crazy on bats until about 15 and older. Some of the prices are based on the metal type and core (AND not on performance). Ah...fun times. You're a good dad. My dad made me work for those bats.

Thank you for all the effort you put in these tests good neighbor!!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

I love how controlled your tests are. However I wonder how running multiple 87E octane fills versus no ethanol will fair with carburetor buildup. Especially in the small engines like that Honda generator

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

The ammount of time and resources you pour into your videos is remarkable, thank you for all the effort and dedication you put into them for our entertainment and convenience, Ive been able to make smart purchases and save tons of money thanks to you, much props to you sir!

@snomass1

10 ай бұрын

You can see the trees are bare so he filmed months ago. That’s dedication.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

Your dedication in creating these tests is amazing, and very much appreciated, testing pump gas to racing gas would be interesting, Thanks as always Todd, you are the best. 🇺🇸

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@carlosreid51

10 ай бұрын

​@@ProjectFarmthank you

@kieferstr9836

10 ай бұрын

You need to do a video testing what pens are best at for pointing at things. I suspect you use the same pen in every video

@fluoroantimonic

10 ай бұрын

Thank you project farm 👏👏👏👍👍

Thank you for providing us with your experimental knowledge. This is by far the best channel for us the consumers when it comes to choosing the best option for a myriad of automotive, electrical, mechanical, civil, etc... Applications. When I come across something worth comparing I will suggest. But for now I refer to your videos for making the most optimal choices when buying anything you have made a test for. You sir are a scientist.

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

This crazy Test blew out my mind dude! Bravo 👏!

@ProjectFarm

Ай бұрын

Thanks!

Another REAL advantage of no-ethanol fuel is for those of us not diligent enough to drain and clean carbs at the end of the season for mowers and snowblowers is that ethanol free fuel gums up less. Since switching to 91 ethanol free in my lawnmower for example I've never had carb problems while before with the same MTD lawnmower that I had to clean the carb every spring with 87 octane 10% ethanol fuel.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Consumer Reports has nothing on you but a bunch of expensive test equipment and a huge staff. Love your videos and your ingenuity in how to test things. Keep up the good work. I wish you well with your channel. Be safe!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I truly enjoy your channel because of your thoroughness!

@ProjectFarm

2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I’ve seen lots of testing of fuels on a dyno, so it was fun to see it being done in a farm setting. Generally speaking, higher octanes won’t give better fuel economy, but engines will run slightly cooler and gain a few hp. If you want anything really noticeable, tuning with the new fuel is recommended, especially if you’re using fuel with ethanol.

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@TheHenirik

8 ай бұрын

it should make a difference if the engine has a knock sensor and the programming to automatically advance timing and search for the right spot where its most effective but doesn't detonate. if its a simple system, like most carbureted ones would be, and some fuel injected systems, i shouldn't make a difference unless you manually tune it though other then the small changes in energy content. and if it works as it should it should give you a bit better fuel economy with higher octane, (up to a point where you need to retune the engine if you want it to be more effective) but it might not be easily noticeable, and also give a bit more power at the same time

@bumbarabun

4 ай бұрын

on engine that is designed for different octane fuel, you definitely will see a difference. Of course if engine is designed for 87 it woul not get much benefits for higher octane.

Would be interesting to know if the top tier fuels have more detergents or any other additives than regular fuel

@taylorsrus9543

10 ай бұрын

Thats how they get the top tier rating.

@lincolnjames8254

10 ай бұрын

@@taylorsrus9543 maybe I should of written what the difference in additive and detergent properties are. Wonder if it’s actually worth the price difference.

@jordantomblin2302

10 ай бұрын

They do have more detergents. I also notice a slight bump in throttle response and fuel economy with top tier fuel.

@taylorsrus9543

10 ай бұрын

@@lincolnjames8254 Lake Speed/Total Seal did a KZread on that.

@majbach1968

10 ай бұрын

Most high octane fuels are Premium fuels due to their additives. A check of the company's published MSDS will often show this.

Thank you for letting people know that 93 is a waste of money UNLESS it requires it thanks for you’re videos.👍

@brian6029

10 ай бұрын

carbs only

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

@kygunworks4982

10 ай бұрын

​@brian6029 can hurt performance in a fuel injected engine. My Goldwing is an excellent example, designed to run on 87 and fuel injected, I get over 43 MPG average both in town and on the interstate over thousands of miles. Tried 93 from time to time and never could beat that average in the same conditions, acceleration was no better, best the bike would do is a 0-60 in 4.13 seconds and that was on 87 octane, unless you have high compression and an engine that can control its dynamic timing you're essentially just wasting money

@mobkinq

10 ай бұрын

I’ve experienced much better fuel economy on my 2015 Fuel Injected Ram 1500 with the Hemi 5.7 by using 91 over 83. On a 5 hour drive using 83 I’d arrive at my destination on empty. On 91 I’d arrive with a quarter tank. Both with same starting point and driving habits. Mostly cruise control

@kygunworks4982

10 ай бұрын

@@mobkinq depends a lot on conditions, I've had humidity and air temp play a huge part in fuel mileage, on hot and humid days my F250 may only get 10 MPG pulling my boat, on cooler and dry days on the same road I can show as much as 14-15 at the same speeds, only time I've seen more octane help is on higher compression engines that need it. My rule of thumb has been if it isn't pinging or detonating it doesn't need more octane

Another great video. Thank you! I don’t recall if you’ve done this already, but it would be interesting to test different size impact sockets on stuck bolts. My recollection is that an impact socket with a greater mass should be more effective with the same drive tool than an impact socket with less mass. Like many others, my interest is in buying the best tool at the lowest price with a preference for tools made in America. Thanks again!

This channel and your methods and detailed analysis of everything is quite extraordinary ;)

@ProjectFarm

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

This guy is definitely the cool uncle that everyone is excited to see and ALWAYS has a cool story to tell.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I feel like knowing the compression ratio for your equipment would be useful too.

@thecommonsenseconservative5576

10 ай бұрын

Smartest comment on subject

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great point!

@anthonyjulson8840

10 ай бұрын

@@thecommonsenseconservative5576 I drive a Subaru that calls for 87. Due the 12:1 compression ratio stated in the specs, I run premium. Some would call me foolish, but the miles to empty showing on the dash display definitely goes up by about 20 miles.

@thecommonsenseconservative5576

10 ай бұрын

@@anthonyjulson8840 seems right for that ratio

@FreeWill-is-Love

10 ай бұрын

Very true. You can compress more without premature detonation using ethanol. At 10% the fuel economy is “less” noticeable (As you raise the ethanol the more noticeable). I worked at a shop where we were pushing 15:1 compression with straight ethanol. It does make power, but at the cost of Guzzling fuel and very corrosive. Earl would tell all crews to pull spark plugs and injectors and blow the cylinders out……very few did. We would get engines with fuel setting in them…..cylinder walls would be corroded…..and pistons would be suffering the same. Ethanol is hard on metals and not efficient (again, at 10% -less noticeable)…..you can get power through compression, though. That’s where the power is at (compression). (A true Thumper)😁

By far the best equipment tester on KZread. Been watching for years. Very nice

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

The octane ratings are interesting. In my country 95 is usually the lowest octane available and 98 is the higher octane option costing a bit more.

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

We use the AKl rating system so our numbers are lower.

@Tonyx.yt.

8 ай бұрын

Their 93 it's equivalent to 97.4 for the us, their 87 it's like 91.1 for us, their 91 it's 95.3 for us

Your videos are the one thing I look forward to on Sundays! 👍🏼

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@gus473

10 ай бұрын

Same! My Sunday luncheon companion most weekends! 😎✌️

You should test fuel stabilizers in regards to resistance to phase separation.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

Thank you so much, already learned something useful on the first day of 2024! 🤣🤣 happy new year to you all!

@ProjectFarm

4 ай бұрын

You are welcome! Glad to hear! Happy New Year!

Outstanding yet again! Had this question just today while driving my Chevy pickup truck. 87 octane was suspected to be on par now this proves it. Thank you.

@ProjectFarm

6 ай бұрын

Thanks and you are welcome!

Glad to see your uploads again. I love how thorough and consistent the testing is in these

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Great test! good results too! I think the only advantage I have had with non ethanol fuels in a carbureted application is the lack of vapor lock. If you drive through the mountains in the summer time and you have a carb you might want non ethanol for that reason.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

Great job on your tests... Nicely done... =)

@ProjectFarm

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

Wow the attention to detail is impressive, and I really appreciate the information density in the video otherwise it would have been 20 minutes long!

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

Could you test some coolers? They are so expensive these days I would really like to know which one would be best. What about possibly modifying a cheaper one to make it comparable to a higher end one? Anyway I love the way you test your products and do multiple tests so the results aren't just your own opinion.

@Evadingmoto

10 ай бұрын

Tons of videos already made

@o1mtbiker

10 ай бұрын

They have dedicated channels on KZread just for cooler testing, My limited experience of roto molded coolers yeti tundra 45 and rtic 65. They are very close in comparison on ice retention. But for the price of these coolers, if you have the ability to keep them powered, look into the 12v coolers. As most of them can also be powered from an ac outlet.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

I love how thorough you are. True scientist!!

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Nice video! I always wondered if people really need higher octane gas in their cars. Although the test is not exactly the same as a true scientific test held in a controlled environment, the testing is more than sufficient enough to provide very good supporting evidence to test the hypothesis > "Is higher octane better?" The tests are well thought out and easy enough for anyone with a basic mechanical and science background to understand! Excellent job on the videos and tests!

@ProjectFarm

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for the suggestion.

Todd puts more effort into his tests than I put into my entire life... 👍🏼👊🏼🦖🍺

@antonisautos8704

10 ай бұрын

Not sure if that's something you should be proud of.

@buttholasaurus99

10 ай бұрын

@@antonisautos8704 oh, I’m not proud of it, but it’s true🤣🤣

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Depends on the motor. Then the additives can make a difference too, negligible or not.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great point!

@markm0000

10 ай бұрын

Only thing worthwhile adding to gas is a little Penzoil Marine to keep injectors and pump lubricated. All the miracles in a bottle are useless or way too expensive for what they are. If your engine is known to have carbon problems get it professionally cleaned.

@markm0000

10 ай бұрын

If you’re wanting to try it I use a 1oz to 10gal ratio for every fill up and it’s plenty. You will hear a difference the injectors will quiet down.

@jeffw6180

10 ай бұрын

Motors use electricity. Engines use fuel.

@andyroid5028

10 ай бұрын

@@jeffw6180 Yep. And tires are not the same as wheels! LOL 👍😂

great vid. Would love to see these tests on engines with a knock sensor.

@ProjectFarm

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Thank you for your EXHAUSTIVE effort to be extremely thorough and accurate. Much appreciated.

@ProjectFarm

4 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

I really like that you pointed out a separate hose for certain fuels, or purging the line...very important! Great job!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@LandParkColby

9 ай бұрын

Try to fuel up after a Corvette or BMW ... chances are they used the high test.

Project farm is a very unique channel. Planning and executing such tests are really difficult. Reviews are really unbiased.

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

*_Doing research I found out that I am able to use 100 octane fuel on my project Honda. It won't really improve my actual horsepower rating until I get an actual tune for the fuel ratios. However it will obviously provide less fuel economy, but it will have the motor run even more smoother than the 91 or 93 rated octane fuels. Which makes me very curious on getting a tank of 100 octane just to feel out how the motor would run._*

@ProjectFarm

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

you are the wonderful guy. thank for the test alot

Thanks for your awesome work as always! You set the bar high for test comparisons! Would love to see a test of electrical bulbs for how efficient they really are and if they live up to all the hype on the packaging, would love to hear you say " we're gonna test that!"

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video idea!

You should test these in a very high compression engine! That's where one needs higher octane.

@gamebrigada2

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely, however some people out there think putting premium in their Toyota Corolla gives them more power. That's kind of what he's targetting

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Great point. Thank you

@vibingwithvinyl

10 ай бұрын

Or turbocharged/supercharged engines. If your engine management system can adapt to it, you'll definitely feel a boost in performance.

@jskyg68

10 ай бұрын

@@gamebrigada2 If your engine has a knock sensor, it actually can increase power compared to cheap 87 gas. ( I know what you're getting at but we have some low grade gas where I live)

@AgentDuke007

10 ай бұрын

@@gamebrigada2I believe you’re right. In that context, I might expect to see a performance difference in my truck, under towing load. 85 octane is the most common where I live - at elevation. So now I want to go test my truck using 85 vs the highest octanes, which I believe is 91 93 is not sold in the mountain states due to elevation. Since elevation DOES matter in octanes, testing my truck power under load, at elevation, might prove interesting. This dang channel!! Now I’ve got the bug to go test this stuff out. Thanks a lot, PF :/. Haha!

Great test! Thanks Todd.

Todd thank you for another fantastic video. Honest and detailed reviews are your trademark !

@ProjectFarm

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I appreciate your how thorough you are with your testing!

@ProjectFarm

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!