When my family researched this 2 years ago we found you only need to dig down 2 feet, and that's true. We made a dome for our rabbits with 2 feet of wire fencing underground, and they freely live in there. Just for reference, if you don't cull them, they decide to stop breeding if there's not enough room. They actually know when to stop. We found with a 30ft diameter dome, with a 4x4 square entrance, that's a 40 rabbit limit that THEY place on themselves. 😂

@mickeyrussell1665

Ай бұрын

What material did you use for your dome? This is especially interesting to me as I've recently build a sub-terrainian green house (walipini) that was pretty simple also.

@jessalynncarnes5489

Ай бұрын

​​​@@mickeyrussell1665 we bought connectors for a dome-shaped pvc pipe greenhouse. I believe we used 2 inch pvc pipe. We did this during the time there were wood shortages soon after Covid hit, and the cost of wood skyrocketed past pvc pipe. We used wire fasteners to wrap wiring around the pvc, and the entrance is a cattle fence bent over for the top, and framed with wood, and wood frame door with mostly wire. In hindsight, we should have used hardware cloth, because the chicken wire is now rusting underground. Don't use chicken wire if you want it to last. You can also buy connectors for a dome-shape that is designed for wood 2x4s. I don't remember where we bought the connectors, but you can probably just Google it. Edit: BTW, we only put wire up 6 feet (a 4 ft wire, with 2 ft underground, 2 ft above, and then another 4 feet above that)...the top has a tarp over it to prevent torrential downpour of rain, we have it in a shaded area to keep them cool as well. The fencing is high enough to keep dogs and coyotes out (or uninterested), and the tarp makes it so the wingspan of a hawk or owl can't just swoop in and snatch dinner, so they've been really safe, and I always have an easy opening to dump grass, weeds and leftover greens from the kitchen in. It's worked really well. During spring, I have so many weeds to spare, and don't give them pellets. I've literally fed them nothing but weeds and grass for the last 2 months. 😂 I just have a weed pulling routine everyday, with a huge baggy container (sometimes I use a wheelbarrow).

@mickeyrussell1665

Ай бұрын

Thank you

@TreeHugginT

15 күн бұрын

​@jessalynncarnes5489 thank you for sharing

This was great. I have not 're-started' raising rabbits yet, but as a kid we hunted rabbits and I always thought it a bit strange to raise in cages for meat. Sort of like free range chickens... free range rabbits.

My parents had such a colony setup, when I was a child. It worked great for a few years, but then the rabbits managed to dig down below the barriers at the side and escaped. The family dog helped to catch them all, but the setup had to be redone with an additional barrier below. Unfortunately, after that, the setup never worked again, the soil was not compact enough and the tunnels collapsed over the rabbits. So, that is something to get done correctly from the start. For my family that problem was the end of keeping rabbits, because there was no time to fix it and keeping them in separate cages did neither benefit the animals nor us.

We are a few months shy of a complete little set-up for raising meat rabbits, and now after watching your very informative video... Colony it is!

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I also find bucks to be the most friendly bunnies. Mine comes running when I come outside and he just 'melts' when I pet him. He's such a sweet boy. My females are generally more territorial and like their space/freedom more, don't love being held but do come around for pets on 'their terms', lol

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, same here :)

@danielgriff2659

4 ай бұрын

Yep, reflects their lives in the wild. Once sexually mature, the bucks are driven from the colony and live more solitary lives, so they appreciate our attention. Does are rabbit-social creatures that groom each other and socialize. If you really want to bond with bucks, pet them on the forehead and rub the "sleepies" out of their eyes. They cant self groom the eyes well, so when we rub the crusties off everytime we interact with them, they really love it.

@totallynotdelinquent5933

Ай бұрын

Cats are the same way, oddly.

Thank you for this! Was looking into getting some meat rabbits, but hated that the information on it was so reliant on the tiny cages, and it also seemed too work intensive for us, but I'm very glad to see an alternative. Love the idea with digging down so they can have room to burrow!

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Plus in colony, the rabbits are wonderful and happy. You get to see how rabbit society actually works. Watching a male hang out with his babies is awesome. Cons. Many many many many many babies , so many babies. No idea of age of the cull rabbit We raise ours in a garage. No worries about them digging out. Plus all wire will corrode. Also no worries about babies being dead in. A burrow.

I really like the rain barrel water system coupled with the redundant hose system. This level of attention to detail shows how much you really care for the wellbeing of your livestock. Well done.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, we appreciate the feedback!

This is a much better way of raising rabbits than cages. Certainly better for the rabbits but for you too because you have less daily work. All the data you mentioned is only important if you were selling meat/hides. Once other people have expectations of your products you have to have and keep records. Forget that noise! No records! From experience I say the aggression of ANY rabbit is from overcrowding in cage setups. Not only will bucks attack kits but does will attack one another. Meat breed rabbits were never meant to be in small commercial style cages.

Really appreciate to not always see these "laying batteries" as rabbit boxes, but a nice and animal friendly environment. Thumbs up!

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I may use a colony system if we move properties, but my hutches work great: larger than any other cages I've seen, controls waste, and takes about 5 minutes of work a day.

When I was a kid, one of my friend's dad raised his rabbits for meat. Every once in a while he would get a rabbit in the colony that would become cannibalistic. It would first eat the ears of the other rabbits and then the babies if not removed. He would have to separate one adult out of the group and wait a few days to see if it stopped before putting it back and separating another until he found the rabbit doing it. He would destroy the rabbit but wouldn't eat it. He never told me why this happened or why he refused to eat it. I recall that happening to his colony several times as a kid he would have a rabbit that went crazy like this.

@aaronpops4108

4 ай бұрын

We had a doe that ate one from her first litter and let the other babies die. She was actually a good mother after that.

@danielgriff2659

4 ай бұрын

First time moms will often do it, especially if crowded. If she feels she cant keep it alive, or that it will likely die anyway, they abandon feeding it to get it to leave the nest on its own. They cant carry their young like a cat, and a dead baby in the nest threatens the entire nest. When they eat them, its likely because she found it dead IN the nest and thats the only way she can get it out of there. Now, if a baby is deformed in any way or stillborn, they eat them on the spot. Its a harsh reality with the focus on the majority of the babies at the expense of the individual. @@aaronpops4108

@misstweetypie1

3 ай бұрын

Eating an animal that ate others of its own species is always dangerous (think mad cow disease) since weird little parasites can grow and be passed on if you eat the neural tissue. (I’m assuming that’s why, also it would make the meat taste weird, I expect)

@danielgriff2659

3 ай бұрын

happens more often in the wild with wild rabbits. They have to protect the nest.@@misstweetypie1

Amazing! Extremely humane way of raising meat.

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

We agree! 👍🏻

Thank you for making this. It is exactly what I was looking for.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Your a hero in my eyes lol. Thanks for the knowledge. Congratulations on the success of your channel aswell.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! 🙏🏻

I like this type of set up. Thank you.

@kummerhomestead

27 күн бұрын

You're welcome!

My dad built a rabbit colony when i was little and we had plenty of meat from them. It was a really easy and low maintenance setup

Thanks for the info… hopefully, I can start my own rabbit colony soon.😊

@kummerhomestead

6 ай бұрын

Best of luck!

Man I love this I built a 12x16 barn and have them all running around the male locked away but was planning to dig down and do this... as in Canada 🇨🇦 it's cold 🥶

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

Right on!

@danielgriff2659

4 ай бұрын

Nice! you can use hay bales and plywood to build them cheap structures for additional warmth and exercise while still being able to catch them.

I started my colony about 5 years ago. Now all my neighbors have rabbits, too.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Right on!

I have tried both methods and I have found that cage method to be the best. I have tried set-up like yours and I did have success

We raised our meat rabbits in a colony style pen. Would never do it another way. While any method has its own pros and cons, for us the colony was perfect.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Same here!

@TacticalGhost007

4 ай бұрын

You want to see the happiest, healthiest rabbits on planet Earth, come and visit our contented rabbit community. Caged rabbits are suffering in gulags.

@infogeodom6510

21 күн бұрын

What is a colony style pen?

I’m going to use buckets for the rabbits to nest in. Hopefully will have my rabbit colony started within the next month

Very informative. Thank you very much

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Funny , I never looked this up but I mentioned it to my hubby the other day. “Maybe I should raise rabbits “ Now here is a video 🤔

Reading some of the lower comments about disease... listen to your land and your animals and your own biology. You will save more lives with observation and listening than you will with just noticing sickness 😷 and death. Notice life and what health looks like, and is. ^-^ win win .

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Right on!

Thank You for Paying it Forward. Winston Churchill died my Bull terrier. I started w 2 dwarf lionheads for fertilizer. What fun to breed n all the Bunny therapy❤ Not eating crickets, etc.. If starving as the world shuts off food, these awesome creatures also Pay it Forward. 🙏

Glad your video popped up after one comparing each system, you explained the colony style the best! Also love how you dug down to install a wire barrier: smart! I will definitely be doing the same, once i knock off a bunch of other projects that are on the priority list, lol... In the meantime, I'm thinking about removing one wall in my minibarn/chicken coop and putting rabbits in, as my flock size is small enough that i can consolidate my birds into just one unit (the middle unit has been vacant for months already). I have had rabbits in there before (not mine, and only for a couple months) and they ate away at the walls and studs (open framing). This behaviour seemed to be reduced after providing lava blocks, but do you think lining the space with 2' chicken wire will help? Like, would that be tall enough (they won't climb over and get trapped in behind) or should i go taller/install horizontal blocking along the top? Also, is there something I can do to protect the plywood floor from damage? Like, I'm thinking i could probably do a 1" pour of concrete, but then if we ever decide to disassemble and relocate the building again in the future, the concrete would pose a bit of a problem. TIA!

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

I'd go taller. Our rabbits like to jump and I could see them getting trapped behind the wire. Also, if you offer them branches and sticks (from trees that aren't toxic for them), they'll likely stop chewing the framing. Regarding the flooring, we use a Whey-based coating from Vermont Natural Coatings that's not toxic to protect the flooring in our henhouse. You could use something similar in your rabbit hutch.

@AgnesMariaL

5 ай бұрын

@@kummerhomestead Thanks! I may skip the wire, then, and see if lots of lava blocks and sticks like you suggested are enough ;)

I been looking into animals mainly rabbits one thing I didn't like seeing a lot of individual cages. Like people saying it's humane but at the same time it looks so cramped almost like keeping a single chip in a sauce cup. They don't have room to run to explore have a good life till the end. I know it'll be little more expensive but this is definitely a route Im going to take

This is what I know how to keep rabbits .

Thank you for your video

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

thank you for tis video!

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

You're so welcome!

Good video! Humane treatment of animals is, how God done it. Animals hashed out what's best for them over thousands of generations. Wild European rabbits create a colony, one doe and probably her sisters, and a buck. They thrive that way. It's so successful for them they can live here, southern Arizona, in underground colonies where above ground can mean heat losses when it jumps to over 95F. Weather swings can be as much as 50 degrees from night to afternoon with hot, dry winds. Underground is usually about 70F-75F year-round. Predators are common, from Mouser the rattler (one of dozens, keeps ground squirrel population low and wary but is slacking now because it's too cold--she moved into the garage). Cats and stray dogs that avoid hungry coyotes hawks, owls, and the roadrunners. Owls aren't really much of a problem thanks to ravens, but ravens have been known to carry off baby bunnies. But, ravens also keep snakes under control.

Merci from Montreal Canada.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Welcome!

❤Hi brother tanks for this video Teachings, intarasting

well thx for sharing ,i always wonder how it will work as a colony ,thx a lot!

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

No problem 👍

Nice video! I suggest 1.5+ gallon water bowls for colony rabbits. Rabbits will wet their paws in a bowl of water and groom with wet paws.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

We actually have a separate bowl in the hutch that's automatically fed by a garden hose.

I love that they can make borrows. Do the tunnels collapse now and again?

@kummerhomestead

6 ай бұрын

Occasionally, an entrance crumbles but they’re also always closing off and digging new tunnels and so those tunnels are never around for very long :)

Did you make a video of what wild vegetation you feed your rabbits? Love this style of keeping them.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

No, we haven't yet but that's a great idea!

@rashadabdullah9769

3 ай бұрын

@@kummerhomestead i have seen several videos already, and i think rabbit is the way to go. Their diet consists of lots of wild abundantly growing plants all around. Plus i cut grass as a side hustle so at the same time i can always make a bundle to take home. But i really love your method of keeping them in a colony. Just like chicken, i prefer yard fowl over store bought bcoz they get exercise and eat a variety of bugs. Ppl complain the meat is tough but i absolutely do not find it to be tough at all, if anything its better tasting and more nutritious. If u make a wild edibles for rabbit i def will b looking out for it bcoz im sub.

@rashadabdullah9769

3 ай бұрын

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@rashadabdullah9769

3 ай бұрын

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@rashadabdullah9769

3 ай бұрын

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Great vid. Any footage of how you built your bunny tractor?

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Great question...I do have some pictures but I don't think we ever published anything. It's based on Joel Salatin's design. Let me see if we have enough footage to put together a Short.

Thank u, great vid! I live in Fl. Do u have any advice on controlling fleas/tics (diatomaceous earth, etc)? Also, I was curious how u would be able to walk in a colony w/out caving in their tunnels but I noticed they tend to tunnel near the perimeters so I guess it's not really an issue.

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

We don't have any flea or tick issues where we live. As far as the tunnels are concerned, they do often build around the perimeter and not in the center.

Cool idea. Did you have to compact the ground under so there aren’t cave ins in their tunnels or no?

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

We just stepped on the dirt to compact it a bit but it all settled over time.

This is such a good idea! My husband and I are thinking of raising meat rabbits. So, in the winter, if it gets in the negative degrees, the rabbits can just burrow down and be warmer?

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Correct! They just go underground to stay warm when it's freezing above.

any good recipes ?

I watched some pet channels, but there is no way I am keeping a rabbit inside my house. Meat channels seem to have more sensible advice. Like another commentor, I am also concerned about manure build-up. We have approximately 250 square foot available planned for an adult Flemish Giant (as a pet for our sheepdog). I plan to build (with help) a hobbit style hutch to provide protection from the elements, but wasn't sure what kind of flooring to use. Leaning towards the 14GA wire, with a removable tray underneath that, because I am worried about disease. From what I understand, the rabbits poop a lot while eating, so planning on having a metal hay tray attached to a wall, also with a 14GA wire + tray setup underneath. Do you think this is realistic / safe / sufficiently sanitary? Thanks!

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

There are two options with any type of livestock: 1) Constant rotation 2) Deep litter Anything else will either be a lot of work (e.g., constant cleaning) or not work to keep the area clean. We chose deep litter since we can't move the hutch easily. With rabbits, you could suspend them in a cage with a wire floor and have the poop fall through but that means keeping them in wire cages which isn't something we wanted to do. Also, their manure isn't limited to the feeding area. Some of our rabbits poop in a corner on the other side of the feeder. The young ones poop where ever they please :)

@defendingthestrawman7103

5 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead Thanks for the feedback. Will have to give it some careful thought to find a new solution then. From what I understand the Flemish Giants are not great diggers, so wanted to create a large-diameter cement tunnel system under the hobbit mound for predominantly for shelter. But don't want Rabbit to sit in his own waste (urine in particular), so wanted a raised porous floor of sorts inside the tunnel which would also allow for it to be hosed off with high pressure water cleaner. Building a habitat with hay, potted greens and raised potted rabbit-friendly flowers, so wasn't too concerned about occasional droppings in the rest of the enclosure, but will rethink that. Will do some research on deep litter then 👍🏻 Thanks for the help.

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

@@defendingthestrawman7103You're most welcome!

From what I have learned, animals, which are generally herbivores, are more likely to eat other animals if they have a nutrient imbalance, such as a phosphorus deficiency (which makes the bones an appealing snack.) Baby animals take the head and become little vitamins for larger creatures.

I love your set up. Only one question.....how about any aggression or fighting?

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

Never experienced it.

Rabbits are happier in colony than cages

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

Right on!

@jeremycandy191

4 ай бұрын

Definitely ❤

@TacticalGhost007

4 ай бұрын

Of course. It is natural.

@jetztisfeierabend

4 ай бұрын

Ok sure, but the question is, for an economical thinking human, are they also growing faster and healthier if they are happy?

@MichaelKummer

4 ай бұрын

@@jetztisfeierabend I don't know that they're growing faster, but I'd argue that the more they use their muscles to move, the more flavorful their meat is. And I'd argue that more exercise equals better health (with everything else being equal -- just like with humans).

We have a colony but I find the poop build up to be a problem. I provide deep litter but they just mix it in and so they are always in their poop, even heavily in their nests. Please tell me your thought on this.

@kummerhomestead

6 ай бұрын

How deep is your deep litter? It sounds like you need to add more carbon (wood chips, shavings...).

@BethOvertonCPMmidwife

6 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead I've tried two setups. One where I built a ground level between hutches which I opened up to the cages. We called it a condo because it gave them the option of their above ground hutches or down ramps to the ground. I had two does and one buck. They hung out most of the time in the upper level on the wire but built tunnels and had babies on the lower level. I had wire buried about 6" below ground and added 6" dirt on top then about 6-8" of wood chips. But after several months it was all mixed together with their poop. They made tunnels in this. I never found an easy way to remove the poop. So it just built up. I worried about long term effects of this. So I moved them. The lower ground level was about 3 feet deep by 6 feet wide. I added kindling totes they could get to from the lower level but they preferred their own tunnels.

@kummerhomestead

6 ай бұрын

@@BethOvertonCPMmidwife We buried hardware cloth about 3 feet down and covered it with dirt. On top of that, we have about 8 inches of wood chips, and we keep adding chips or pine shavings every week. We've been doing this since March and haven't noticed much of a build-up. Our hutch is 12x8 ft, and they regularly close old tunnels and build new ones ( I suspect to bury the old nesting site, which might be soiled). It sounds like you didn't have enough surface area to allow the manure to decompose. I think you'd have to give them a larger area or more vertical space to dump much more carbon.

@BethOvertonCPMmidwife

6 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead thank you for your insight. I'm not sure how much more space I can get with my set up but I will give it consideration.

is there a certain name or type of new zealand or rather the name of the color type i guess for the tan ones with black ear tips and grey under coats? I got 2 bucks and 2 does all from various breeders and they're all supposedly new zealand (not papered, probably barnyard mutt mixes) and they all look different. I have a doe that looks like these tan ones with the dark accents, a typical black and white broken, an all black, and a "classic rabbit" i tend to call it lmao, chest nut or whatever, the usual grey/brown mix with white belly, all of which were sold as "new zealands". they all make beautiful babies tho

What method do people use to dispatch their rabits for cleaning and food prep? Is it as simple as a pellet gun? Or is there a better method out there?

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

We use cervical dislocation + bleeding. Stay tuned for an upcoming video on the subject.

Have you looked into any plants that you can keep in there to simulate nature, that they wouldn't destroy? I've been trying to look into that for my quail hutch (just received an order of a few plants in fact). I really want their lives to be as comfortable as I can make it, like how you seem to try for your rabbits.

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

Not yet because I think they’d just trample them, even the ones they don’t eat.

What kind of wire do you’ll use on the bottom

@kummerhomestead

20 күн бұрын

3x2 inch hardware cloth!

Do you have any good books you would recommend on raising rabbits in colonies ???

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

I recommend Raising Meat Rabbits in a Colony by Dana Thompson.

I wonder if it's possible to make the sides and bottom underground out of concrete, with the bottom being "thirsty" concrete. Then fill it all up with dirt. They'd be able to burrow but still can't escape.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

I'm sure that would work. We just laid down mesh wire because it was easier and quicker.

@Gabsfiles

2 ай бұрын

That's what i am planning to do...

the humane living conditions have to outweigh the incovenience--- even if burrowing wasnt allowed the community sure beats the hanging wire cage-- that just seems like a living hell. my freinds father an old italian mobster used to raise the rabbits, community-- males in one hutch females in teh other,,, that still beat the individual wire cage hanging in air in 0 degrees

Mites!

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

What about em?

Could you technically open the door and let them free range because they have already set up where their burrows and water is? Or would they just leave?

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

Good question...I wouldn't be surprised if they'd move on after a while to find a new home. Plus there is the risk of aerial predators.

Very nice video. Best one ive seen sofar. How do I exactly start? Just with two rabbits and use their children for meat untill the parents no longer breed. Then I buy new ones? Thank you in advance!

@kummerhomestead

2 ай бұрын

We started with a trio, including one buck and two does.

@funnypicturess

2 ай бұрын

@@kummerhomestead Thank you, maybe you already said it in your video but I forgot.

@chancemagoo7470

Ай бұрын

I love your idea. We just started with 2 and we're going to have them as parents. So you just eat the kits after weaning eventually or how do the parents not start breeding them?

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

@@chancemagoo7470 The kits haven't reached sexual maturity by the time we move them out of the hutch and into mobile rabbit tractors.

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

@@chancemagoo7470 Yeah, we usually dispatch the kits before they reach sexual maturity.

Well i have to say , i thought of making a colony..but there are issues that i will tell , hope others read and think about them. 1) space, if you dont have a huge amount of space , i suggest cages ,it has saved me ton of space and was relatively cheap spending around 120 euro for 5 large cages (3 breeding female, 2 large male pens) and 16 smaller cages (60x60) for grow outs, in that money is included the watering system i made and the feeders and "houses" for the females. 2) is timing , check where you live ,for example where i live ,you can not have litter in summer, its basically suicide and when i started and tried a colony set up, i lost a bunny due to the heat (can hit 40°C fairly easily) this also allows me to give the doughs enough time to rest from the kids usually 1 or more weeks of relaxation. 3) depending how comited you are ,the rabbits in cages will be far more docile and if you let them out to graze as i did (and you should let them "strech" every now and then both females and males) you will notice you have less of a hard time putting them back in, i even had one dough that actively pulled me to her litter especially if things got too warm or too cold ,in order to fix things. 4) diseases , now this is something that applies to regions , check what your area has as diseases, in my place rabbits and chickens share the same issues so if i had chickens get sick the rabbits would soon follow, being in cages meant that i basically already had a quarantine to keep them from getting things worse. 5) cleaning...this was probably the easiest job i did, grab a shovel every 1-2 weeks and fill 2-5 buckets of poo and straight to thr garden it went, surprisingly rabbit poo isnt that "hot" so it doesnt need to be composted for long time or at all depending on the feed. Keep in mind though NOT ALL RABBITS ARE MADE EQUALLY: a lot of meat rabbits can be in cages but not all of them are suited for such lifestyles, check their back legs, usually extremely thick rough fur is a good indicator that they will do ok in a cage set up..keep in mind that you have to feed them moderately feed, not moving means they can get fat easily ,so aside the growouts you should avoid giving protein dense feed to breeders and males , instead opt out for far more greens,grass and mineral/vitamin heavy feed

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

I appreciate your detailed response. 1) Rabbits need as much space as they need to be happy. And I'd argue the more animals you have in one enclosure, the less space you need per animal (within reason). 2) We're in Georgia and have very hot and humid summers but that doesn't appear to be an issue. However, better temperature control is one of the reasons why allow our rabbits to burrow. 3) I don't know if that's true. Our rabbits are all docile and having them in a colony doesn't prevent us from handling them. 4) If they live in a proper environment and get high-quality feed, their immune system should be strong enough to withstand most pathogens. You might some of the weak ones in the beginning but that's part of improving your breeding stock's resilience. 5) We spend 5 minutes each week adding pine shavings or wood chips and let nature take care of composting the waste. I don't think we'd be any more efficient by cleaning out cages. Cheers, Michael

@wolfeye2717

4 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead xD I know I just said what people should think, at the end of the day it is what fits the place you live more. Random example, bunnies can't really borrow here, the clay like soil with the rock ..kinda hard to dog ,even for mice. But yeah keep the good work mate

What do you do in case of rats? I have a colony and rats ate 3 of my litters. How do I prevent this in the future.

@kummerhomestead

2 ай бұрын

You can use smaller mesh wire to prevent rats from getting into the hutch or get a barn cat :)

I appreciate your view, it sound like you have under 1 year with this setup? I see lots of colony set ups and i am not aware of any long term(10 year)colonies, but lots of 40+year cage breeders. How do you plan to handle the manure buildup over time, like 5 years down the road? How often will you need to dig up that 3ft deep tunnel system ? I believe you will find the reasons why so few rabbit colonies endure years of use. I dont think colonies are viable long term especially in my frigid winter area. Thanks for showing your setup i do enjoy getting new ideas from other people's experiences.

@TacticalGhost007

4 ай бұрын

My colony is 15 years of success.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

We handle manure in the same way we do in our henhouses: deep litter. In other words, we just keep adding carbon every week so it decomposes with the poop. We have no plan to dig up the tunnels. The rabbits close their tunnels after a litter and dig new ones. No need for us to intervene. Keep in mind that we're not breeders in the traditional sense. We're not selling rabbits or their meat. We're OK with "reduced" breeding performance in favor of providing a natural environment for the rabbits we consume.

how / when /which do you harvest

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

We move the grow outs into a rabbit tractor at around 10 weeks and harvest them when they’re 4-4.5 pounds.

@singingwindrider9881

4 ай бұрын

​@@kummerhomestead..do you have any vids on working their pelts?

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

@@singingwindrider9881 Nope, because they're still in the freezer :)

Doesn't the female drive away or kill the male rabbit once they are pregnant? How do you process and store the rabbits for meat?

Eating the litter is a mental health indicator. Recover the resources and try again later when the situation is better. If your rabbits don't feel the need to do that, then that means everything is fine or at least good enough. That is also why this happens more with caged rabbits. They are not as relaxed as yours. (Stress might increase with no fault of yours, if for example they get attacked by a predator. Caging eliminates these variables.) Caging is mostly only economical if your bottleneck is the area available. And that is simply not the case in your scenario. But in the industrial scope you can go cheaper by increasing density. As most of that infrastructure has mostly a flat cost. Similar with chickens if you are not constrained by square footage just letting them roam free is way easier. But if you store them on multi leveled shelves you can obviously squeeze in A LOT more.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, that way of farming (maximizing output) has led to the mess we're in right now. So we're supporting a decentralized, local food system :)

Do they not dig deeper than the 3ft mark? I would thought they would dig beyond and get out.

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

They can't because there is mesh wire down there.

What is the minimum area of colony rabbit

@pbjsandwich2537

4 ай бұрын

He said 10 sq.ft. per buck and 20 sq.ft. per doe (which includes kits). He has separate tractors for the grow outs he moves around his yard.

What state are you in? My interest is in pest control (fire ants). Im in GA.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

We're in Milton, GA and haven't had any pest issues yet.

Why do you have the ENTIRE feeder inside the pen instead of inserting only the tray portion through an opening in the wire?

@singingwindrider9881

4 ай бұрын

Setup like this, inserting through a hole in fence is an invitation to disaster. Predators will use it as a door. And then you've lost em all.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Helps the feed stay dry and prevents anything from getting in.

What happens if a baby dies underground? Do the adults bring out the body?

@ofmanyone

4 ай бұрын

It will attract snakes. The rabbits will stop reproducing

@seanuh60

4 ай бұрын

@@ofmanyone do you have to dig up the whole thing to find the dead one?

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Our first litter died and the rabbits pushed the dead babies up where we could get to them. They also close off the nest after each litter and dig a new hole for the next.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

No, we have never done that.

I wonder a bit what happens if one of the Baby bunnys dies. Because you are not able to dig everything up... What will happen to the corpse?

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

The adults usually clean up the nest and either push dead kits out (to the surface) or they close the tunnel and dig a new one.

I have a question. Does this method attract unwanted rodents that could introduce diseases?

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Any livestock and feed can attract rodents but I don't know if colonies attract them more than individual cages. Also, our hutch is pretty well sealed off using half inch mesh wire. So nothing larger than a small mouse can get in.

wouldnt the tougher meat , being a more developed firmer muscle technically be more nutritious?

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

It's definitely more flavorful. Not sure if it's nutritionally superior if the diet is the same.

Where can I buy rabbits?

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

We used Google and IG to look for nearby breeders.

@roflpill

4 ай бұрын

Craigslist works too!

Very informative video. Glad colony worked out for you guys! Btw, the grey/black with "red" fur is not a NZ rabbit color. Those are cinnamon (came from a 4h kid breeding for the anomaly from Californians. One of my top does was a cinnamon). Since you have a picture of a young buck, I'm guessing both does are Cinnamons. If I didn't know the buck's breed, his big ears and head would suggest to me a possible cross of a "fawn" colored Flemish, but his conformation and color is still within what you could expect from a pure red NZ. The cinnamons are not NZ though. That color is only recognized on Cinnamons and Rexes (and given the lack of lighter coloring on the does that you see on the offspring, I'm guessing the Cinnamon does are pure or close to pure Cinnamon). Cinnamons are great rabbits (not terribly common, kudos to you), but good to know what you have if you want to look into them more.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! They were sold to us as NZ (probably by someone who didn't know either). We just added some white NZ to dilute the genetic pool :)

My neighbor has a 20ft x 20ft pen for his rabbits. His wife takes time everyday to go out and train the rabbits to only crap in 1 corner in sand. Pen stays clean.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Most of our adults poop in one area...but the little ones poop everywhere.

Do rabbits suffer from Clusi virus (is it correct name?) & does it cross infection to human?

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Never came across a virus by that name.

@luimackjohnson302

3 ай бұрын

agri scientist in Australia discovered this virus in rabbits@@kummerhomestead

I have 20 n I grew banana n bamboo trees the love n it's free.

Great system but be aware of mesh size as in uk stoats,weasels and even mink will climb up the aviary and access through small gaps and kill your rabbits,also rats will kill and eat young kits.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Good point but we sealed everything off well. There are no gaps anywhere, including under the roof line.

What about rodents moving into those underground passages?

@kummerhomestead

7 күн бұрын

Never had that happen yet but it's a possibility.

Could anyone advise on the possibility of using empty wild rabbit burrows for our own meat rabbits? Ive fenced around a third of an acre for chickens but thought about adding rabbits as there are so many burrows available.

@kummerhomestead

11 күн бұрын

I'd be afraid of the rabbits digging out or being picked off by predators.

How it should be, wire bottom cages are stupid, rabbits can’t even do rabbit stuff in em

Unlimited pellets for rabbits just drains your money, a rabbit only needs like 1/2 of pellets a day, in addition to unlimited hay. You you want weight gain feed some grains

@kummerhomestead

27 күн бұрын

They only eat what they need (which is mostly hay).

@Specogecko

26 күн бұрын

@@kummerhomestead, uuhhh idk where u heard that, but rabbits definitely will eat way more pellets than they need lol.

@kummerhomestead

24 күн бұрын

@@Specogecko I heard that from our rabbits. When there is hay, they barely touch the pellets.

@Specogecko

23 күн бұрын

@@kummerhomestead strange

Wait animals like living in colonies with others vs solo in cages? Shocking

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

It's shocking to some :)

In a confined pen like this the rabbits' urine will become concentrated in the soil and if any of the rabbits is carrying a particular protozoan parasite in their body this will spread to all of the rabbits. This protozoa is neurotoxic and will cause a wasting disease starting with paralysis of the front legs then going to the back legs within a few days. They will die and or you may have to out them down. I have tried this and nearly half of my rabbits died from this cause. It is difficult to keep this kind of enclosed pen cleaned properly, as they dig holes everywhere and the poop and pee get caught all over the place. I do not recommend it in a small setting. Maybe in a much bigger pen that could be kept more sanitary. Maybe. Also, if you gather up their manure for garden purposes, this would be hard to get it all with the holes, etc. Just my personal experience.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Deep litter is the secret to success my friend.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS, RUNNING ON THE GROUND AND DIRT, IS WHERE I LIVE THERE'S A BUNCH OF RATS THAT DIG ON THE SOIL, SO THESE RABBITS WILL BE SITTING DUCKS TO THOSE PREDATOR RATS...

@kummerhomestead

Ай бұрын

We have rats but never had one inside. I have also never seen a rat dig through mesh wire.

Um probably going to eventually dig under that

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

I doubt they'll dig through the mesh wire we buried three feet deep.

How about insect pests and parasites in the tunnels, which you can’t clean? I must say, your rabbits look beautiful and happy! Thank you

@kummerhomestead

11 күн бұрын

Impossible to tell but I know that our rabbits close the tunnels to dig new ones frequently. I suppose that's their way of controlling pests.

Just think, you can use the meat, the fur, and still sell them as pets!

Rabbits are happiest not dead in somebody's dinner. Just saying.

@kummerhomestead

2 ай бұрын

Rabbits are prey animals...there are on this planet to be food for something or someone else.

@leannweaver7807

23 күн бұрын

Did you know that rabbits are classified as livestock in the U.S. Just Saying.

@joshuataylor3523

17 күн бұрын

Such a silly thing to say obviously nothing is happy when it's dead 😂

@joshuataylor3523

17 күн бұрын

Scratch that I just thought of something... Muslim extremist 😂

If you try to raise meat rabbits in a colony, you will have skinny kids. It just does not work.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

Ours dressed out just fine so far.

They ain't wild ain't been wild for over a 100 years

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

Are you trying to say that meat rabbit breads have evolved over the past 100 years to thrive in solitary cage confinement rather than living in colonies?

@buckreynolds7475

5 ай бұрын

@@kummerhomestead what have if they did when I was rabbit hunt all I would have to do is find a colony of rabbits I could have eat a lot better and easy I have never seen a colony of rabbits in the wild

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

@@buckreynolds7475 You're confusing domestic rabbits (e.g., white cotton tail) who are solitary with meat rabbit breeds originating in Europe or elsewhere.

@buckreynolds7475

5 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead well all I know is the rabbits you got don't live in a colony if rabbits was colony animals the bucks and does would not try to kill each other and the rabbits you have are not colony animals and the quicker you colony people will have better luck raising rabbits I raise a 100 baby a month have been for 60 + years

@kummerhomestead

5 ай бұрын

@@buckreynolds7475 I don't know where you're getting your information, buddy. Our New Zealand rabbits are used to living in colonies, and ours have done so for a year. Nobody is killing each other. Why don't you find a farm nearby that raises colony rabbits to observe what's happening and how that differs from what you think is happening. If you live in Georgia, feel free to drop by here.

i can never understand why people keep em in small wired cages, whats the point then, might as well buy from big meat farms, keeping domesticated rabbits in small sollitare cages is not okay, not as pets not as food

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

💯

Oh and I supply hay

You should really separate your Bucks from the colony. This prevents aggressive situations that result in bite injuries. A buck ALWAYS WANTS to breed... a doe is ALWAYS physically able to breed. The act of breeding stimulates the doe to breed.. by his second or third attempt she will let him. Bucks do well indoors as pets or simply separate them into different enclosures. Bring your does to the buck's cage to do purposeful, recorded mating and never have questionable offspring. Juveniles can be intermixed, just get the boys out before they sexually mature.

@kummerhomestead

4 ай бұрын

That's 100% not true based on our experience and that of any other colony breeder I talked to. If raised in appropriate conditions, the buck(s) don't get aggressive and the doe will let them know when they wanna mate.

This dude starting to look like a rabbit

Stop killing rabbits. Rabbits are not a farming animal. They are the most caring and loving animal. Go find your self a real job to earn money instead of killing innocent animals.

ANIMAL ABUSE on high level. There should be a ban on rabbits abuse and farming. Shame on you, law beings.

I don't buy this idea that cages are better for rabbits. Just because the rabbit seems like they are scared when you take them out and want to go back in, doesn't mean it's okay. Some people have no morals. You just don't do that to an animal, any of them. God intended you to be with your family. I don't think eating meat is bad, it has to come from somewhere and if we did not eat them they would never live. While they are on this Earth we must treated them as good as possible.

Okay, so I'm going to say that this setup is bad. Number one thing I saw: DO NOT let your children sit on the ground where those rabbits piss and shit! Rabbit urine is very strong and it should go without saying that sitting in feces is bad. You can colony in cages too. I used to raise and show meat pen rabbits at the Texas Livestock Show and Rodeo; not that means a lot to anyone, but it's more to show that I have some knowledge. Pens can come, or be made, into any size. Rabbits are generally healthier up off the ground; especially since they are restricted on total land space in your hutch. Having rabbit boxes for does to burrow in are perfect and that automated water system, which we were too poor to get, would work well too. Question, how do you keep that green scum off of the inside of your tanks? The rain water should still have the spores and the tank lets in enough light and heat for growth, doesn't it? Also, have you had any does eat their young yet? This is why you use boxes, so you can see if the doe is eating her kid. It's the same reason you watch bitches (female dogs) after they give birth. Killing their babies is not something only human females do. Back to the pens. If you are looking for a long-term housing solution, I'd get pens that you can clear the poop from under. Once you put your rabbits up higher, you'll see how much they pee and poo within a month and be appalled that you ever let your kids sit in it. The only real downside to pens is mesh on their feet. If you get too fine a mesh, or don't clean hay piles, the excrement can get packed and cause infections; but you have kids and kids need chores. Also, you'll want to check the mesh size to your rabbit's feet size, don't want them falling through. If you are raising to eat and feed your family, I'd greatly suggest pens.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

Right, that's why kids who grow up on farms are generally sicker than their city counterparts (or was it the other way around)? If rabbits would be generally healthier off the ground, nature would have given them wings instead of paws to burrow.

@user-dd1uj5ud5i

3 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead Uuuhh...no. on both counts. City kids are usually more sickly because of the chemicals they're exposed to. As for rabbits with wings, lol: means of locomotion has nothing to do with their health. That's like saying that if a fish wasn't meant to swim in its own shit, it would fly. Burrowing is about having babies, not being healthy. When rabbits are not caged, they go wherever they please to use the restroom. In a hutch, they can only go on the limited ground provided for them and it's virtually impossible to get all of the urine out of the ground. I'm not too sure why anyone would respond with such a limited intelligence response, but hopefully, you'll do better next time.

@kummerhomestead

3 ай бұрын

@@user-dd1uj5ud5i I was being sarcastic. Nobody has ever gotten sick over here from being exposed to animals or their manure. Deep littering takes care of turning their waste into compost.

@user-dd1uj5ud5i

3 ай бұрын

@kummerhomestead I know you were; I was answering that sarcasm. At the end of the day, it's your kids and your lives, I can only tell you that putting your meat pen rabbits on the ground can have serious drawbacks and your children can catch diseases from sitting in their manure. Also, since you are raising them for meat, you should want to keep an eye on the babies for maximum return on your investment. Good luck and may you never get a strong storm or flood.