Young millennial bitches about the price of retro games while advocating emulation..... Dude go watch your anime and play Fortnite or something..

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

real.

@prezidenttrump5171

Жыл бұрын

He'll actually just be emulating games and not paying crazy prices for them. You'll still be crying about Millennials like the tranz you are.

@theoswetpets4191

Жыл бұрын

And acting like playing the games on a phone is just as good. One problem is he's not old enough to be nostalgic about a lot of these games. He's Aldo clearly not a true retro collector because we actually do indeed play these old games everyday. It's hard for me to hate on people usually. This guy sucks though

@TheTenCentStory

Жыл бұрын

@@theoswetpets4191 Nostalgism is a garbage

@cjlashawn9186

Жыл бұрын

Scalped old games that run like shit, looks like shit due to low resolution, or free roms that can take advantage of modern hardware. I choose free

I tell everyone now that if you want to get into retro gaming use emulation programs and or homebrew your consoles.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Based, emulation supremacy 🔥🔥

@emanuelruiz7710

Жыл бұрын

The preservation of retro gaming has kept my modded Wii u, 3ds and ps Vita alive to this day. Also the steam deck lol

@nitrosophelin

Жыл бұрын

those or to get japanese games if you absolutely want physical retro games, they're much cheaper than the us counterparts especially famicom, sfc and sega saturn

@Akirapoet

Жыл бұрын

An Xbox Series S/X with Retroarch, Flycast, Dolphin and Duckstation is retroheaven. I have an Anbernic console and the games look awesome, way better than the ones on the original hardware.

@mobilesuitjesse

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

i use to collect retro games but the prices got stupid so i sold all my retro collection, i can play 95% of the retro games i use to play on my PC anyways and saves me so much money.

@ilyeser1708

2 ай бұрын

"the prices got stupid so I sold all my retro collection" I like how you point out the stupidity of the prices but still make it profitable for you 😂 Who wouldn't though

@b4rs629

24 күн бұрын

@@ilyeser1708 I sold off my small nintendo collection of 40-50 games ranging from gbc, gba, gamecube, & wii. I sold it cuz I didn't play it anymore due to beating them all as a kid. Figured someone else could find enjoyment out of it instead of sitting on a shelf for years on end just to collect dust.

@moxy1701

10 күн бұрын

I've seen the crazy prices these days and have slowed down my collecting because of that, but why did you sell your existing collection? To take advantage of the "stupid" prices?😁 TBH, I've sold a couple of my doubles for crazy prices too!😉

I agree, the problem is that people started to decide that their old worthless games were suddenly worth something. Suddenly everyone thought their 20 year old copy of Super Mario World was like the next Nintendo World Championships or other rare carts that went for thousands. I remember buying dozens of PS1 and N64 games back in 2007, before retro exploded... they were $1-5. Not joking, several N64 games I got for $1. Amazon had dozens of copies SEALED of Perfect Dark for $3. Even back in the mid to late 90s NES games like Zelda were going for 25 cents. It's this sudden obsession with collecting and places like Wata that try to drive up prices and make it seem like every old game is gold that caused this insane jump in prices. I remember an AVGN episode where he bought a 32X for like $3 then shot it with an arrow... now you are lucky to find a working one for $50. And no, it's not inflation. Inflation did not make things that cost $3 back in 2007 cost $60-80 today, if that was true then candy bars would be $100 right now.

@redcrimson1028

Жыл бұрын

Nice one. Wish I had a time machine to go back to 2007.

@Fragninja

Жыл бұрын

lol no joke my collection ( I had since I was a kid) has several ordinary titles are now worth $80 my rare (ArmoredCore 1(Ps)) is worth $200I would never sell but wow

@missquark_

Жыл бұрын

It's called offer and demand, but an artificial one, ever since the pandemic the scalpers amassed everything they could knowing that nostalgia was kicking in. I'm glad of my collection, i grow it ever since i was a kid in the 80s. I think of it like an investment that blew up way more than I'd ever expect. I am sure prices will go down, but I'll still be proud of my collection.

@Cyber_Akuma

Жыл бұрын

@@missquark_ It's supply and demand, not offer and demand. And no, it didn't happen due to Covid, prices of retro games skyrocketed years before Covid ever hit.

@chimrichalds81

Жыл бұрын

​@@Cyber_Akuma and during COVID there was a second boom. Look at pricecharting. Easy math 🤣

The problem isn’t those who want the game buying it, it is the crowd that buy it because they think it will go up in price whether they want the game or not. I’ve noticed an almost hysteria over the past couple years from that crowd. Any KZreadr with a following mentions “buy this game before you can no longer find it” and next thing you know listing prices double or triple.

@Dolgorath

Жыл бұрын

I think in general youtubers have been bad for retro collecting because they will fuel buying hysteria or "omg look at my thrift finds" and as a result stores like Goodwill caught on to what they had and stopped putting gaming stuff on their shelves all together.

@moxy1701

10 күн бұрын

That depends why and how you collect. I buy games that I play and enjoy, not just because they happen to be a popular trend right now!🙂

Even with the current issues with the collector’s market, I still think you SHOULD get into retro gaming. The current gaming scene is a JOKE! Games making you download a 50GB every week, games bullying you into remortgaging your house to get more lootboxes, demos sold as full games, games released in an unplayable state, it’s horrendous! With retro games, quality and user-friendliness are a LOT more likely!

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

While that may be true, I'd argue that dismissing modern games as inferior is negligent towards a lot of, especially indie, games. Though yeah! Revisiting older games is a really good idea in general. However, I think the main idea of collecting still isn't the right choice for most people.

@jimmyheights5143

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim This dude totally missed the point of your video. Don’t worry I understood the assignment.

Great video! I wish that the hobby hasn't been made so unaffordable, as it's really fun to play games as they were originally meant to be played. Not because emulation is bad, not at all its a great alternative. But booting up the original hardware and putting the disc/cartridge in, feels sorta special? Like experiencing something from a different time and how it was made to be played, and a lot of people just can't afford do that now. Also DKoldies isn't just bad for their prices but they often list ''refurbished'' products for more which is fair, until you get it and its evidently not refurbished.

@usedtoenails4sale741

Жыл бұрын

Fr it’s about the experience 😩 too bad any and all older Pokémon games are suddenly worth a fortune tho 💔

The ps3 example hit hard. I remember a couple years ago I was forced to get a Ps3 because I got super into Metal Gear solid, but Metal Gear solid 4 has literally never been re-released on anything since it came out on Ps3, and I couldn’t just emulate it because I don’t have a very powerful Pc. I got lucky and was able to get a fat Ps3 for around 80 bucks, but it was scary looking at the prices online and seeing how much money I had to potentially shell out just to play 1 game. That experience made me realize how awful things would be if emulation didn’t exist. I also may have the ps3 now, but since I got a fat Ps3 I’m scared the thing is going to explode one of these days; it gets so hot and the fan is so loud at times.

@pastamaniac6794

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend you look at the video from the KZreadr mystic to help your fat ps3 last longer. :) The video is called "building the ultimate ps3"

@spiral7399

Жыл бұрын

I saw fat PS3s in a cash converters for like £40

@AgentMorgan2010

Жыл бұрын

I did everything I could to prolong the life of my beloved 60 gig PS3, and it still died on me. Those old units are just way too unstable. My super slim's still goin' strong. It's cool and quiet. Then again, it doesn't get anywhere near the amount of use these days.

@1invag

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@spiral7399 yeah ps3's Atleast in the uk are dirt cheap. Most consoles are, you can get pretty much any retro console on ebay for no more than £70. The exceptions being turbo grafix and neogeo because only 6 people in the uk bought one of those originally. The games are the inflated part of the equation

*_Well first off:_* Most of these retro consoles are WELL OVER 25 years old... MUCH older in fact. The NES alone is 38 years old this year (famicom/japanense NES is several years older), and the Atari 2600 (my first console) is closing in on 46 years old. There are older consoles, but Atari 2600 and collecovision are probably the oldest you will see any actual number of people still break out and use on rare occasion (and those people are the most dedicated in the retro gaming community). *_Secondly:_* As someone who was ACTIVELY collecting video games from 1996-2012 (as in: buying them to put in large shelves to brag about... I collected over 3,000 titles by 2010) from places like pawn shops, yard sales, obscure websites - and even ebay as early as 1998 (the year it launched) - I can tell you that there has always been a small market of resellers and buyers of older video games, and different games had wildly different values. I had a part time job in High School and spend every dime on games, and I can tell you that there have ALWAYS been games worth more eye watering money than they were worth.... even when they were only a few years old. I VIVIDLY remember buying Suikoden II (PS1) on eBay for $200 in 2001, and Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn) That same year for $250. I also remember buying Tomba! (PS1) in 2000 for $80 used. I even remember dropping $80 on DIgimon World 2 (PS1) in 2005 because I missed its unusually late release, and it was limited print and valuable already on eBay. Usually JRPGs and Obscure Japanese games on PS1 and Saturn always were worth more than they were new. Probably because fans back then just wanted to play them, and emulation still wasn't there yet... plus most people did not have the fast internet required to download ROMs that big. *_The Issue is:_* MOST old cartridge consoles (minus the GBA - there has never been a time its best games were not overpriced) before 2003, were worth practically nothing. Minus some of those RPGs (Earthbound, FFIII, Secret of Mana, Zelda AtoTP, etc) and a few coveted Capcom/Konami games (Megaman/X games, Castlevanias, and Contra games) - no one cared about those consoles. The ONLY reasons RPGs and stuff like mega man still had value, was the strong fan bases of those. *_After KZread got popular and we got retro gaming channels, that was it:_* People started buying these old games and acting like each one was a hidden gem or something, Even in the late 90s and early 2000s some of the hardware ALWAYS had some value (like MVS, Top Loader NES, Virtual Boy, Turbo Duo) because older folks selling them remembered what they costed new (it had not been all that long after all). The Games themselves however, often had little value. Now to be fair, conversely, when you see all these countless (faceless) people on the internet these days saying: *_"In 2007 I bought all these games for $1!" or "In 2011 I bought so-in-so [insert rare title] from the store for $5!"..._* well those people are full of BS. Outside of yard sales, most other places you would find older games would want a cut. Whether it was eBay fees, Pawnshop wanting its profit, etc... but it WAS true that you could buy games generally between $5-20 each (even ones going for hundreds now)... and $40-$70 for a REALLY sought after/rare game (usually RPGs) was typical. *_What drove the big change was the KZreadrs that got big:_* think AVGN, Metal Jesus, Gamesack, etc. They ruined everything for people wanting to just play retro games for cheap. This was a result of emulation still being in its infancy compared to today. Even though many emulators had been around since the mid 1990s (think NESticle) - they were FAR from accurate, fast, or fully compatible, And since you needed a high end PC to even play them - it really was not a option for most. For a decade that fact restricted people from playing all these games, and forced people to contend with the used market.... But that has all changed in the last 8-10 or so years. *_Technology has advanced so much:_* Now your phone can emulate almost any old system perfectly - and so with it, the emulation scene was grown and matured into one that most of us couldn't have even dreamed of even as recently as the xbox 360 and Ps3 gen. Now we have micro PCs that cost literally $20 that can emulate all this stuff; and we have literally hundreds (if not thousands) of handhelds, raspberry pi clones, Soc, etc-etc devices. You can even hack your existing consoles, or buy flash carts. Its a crazy world. And that doesn't even get into the convenience of FPGA systems (like the MISTER or Analogue Pocket) or dropping ROMs onto your Xbox Series S/X, Steam Deck, or (again) the Smart Phone in your pocket (just to name a few options). I have even seen videos of wealthier people playing emulated games on their Samsung smart refrigerators, smart watches, and even TESLAs (someone even got doom working on a calculators years back)! And in a just a few more years PS2 will have FPGA cores, and emulators that finally offer 100% compatibility without a million tweaks. *_As For Me/What I Did:_* As I mentioned above, I eventually collected a little over 3,000 games. I had to get my dad to help me (using a truck) get a bunch of old wall display shelves (6ftx6ft) for a Blockbuster that was going out of business near by, to put them all in my room... I wish I was joking but, hey' I was young m0ronic guy who watched too much MTV and Jack@ss). lol. ...I had to take my bed, dressers, everything out of the room just to fit the shelves in and fill them with games. My room looked like a video store (wall to wall games), with a small 20" TV on a crate in the center of the floor, and I slept on a mattress in the middle of the room because there was no room left to live. *_I WAS ADDICTED TO BUYING AND HOARDING/COLLECTING VIDEOGAMES!_* So long story short, by the time the PS4 was announced, and retro games started to gain some popularity, I sold EVERYTHING. My stuff would be worth $40-50K now probably - but at the time the 12K I got for everything (I sold them as a single massive room LOT on eBay to a guy who drove from 3 states away to pick them up to resale at conventions) - it was enough for me to afford to finally move out of the house before my 30th birthday (blame the 2008 housing crash and recession that followed), and put a down payment on my first that car that wasn't older than me, or complete garbage on wheels that I had to hold together with tears, prayers, and a whole lot of duct tape (literally, lol). I bought as Raspberry Pi (either a Pi1 or Pi 2B), and started getting into emulation - I have never looked back. These days I stepped up to a MISTER FPGA with some 8Bitdo controllers, and I have a Steam Deck and Gaming PC. I emulate most the systems I play, outside of modern stuff like PS4/5... and even switch I occasionally dabble in the emulation (*Cough**Cough*). I actually do still have a old PS2 and GC somewhere around in storage that I never got around to selling; they both have hacks/mod to play ROMs... but I rarely use them, and they were cheap alterations (free in the case of the PS2). ------------------------ *_TLDR:_* Unless you are a older millennial like me, and grew up playing these games on a CRT (which you also need to still have), and get nostalgia playing them with those fuzzy coaxial or AV cables on a 13-20" boobtoob... then you gain nothing playing the original hardware, carts/discs, and etc as a Zoomer or young millennial. Older Millennials and Gen X guys can claim how CRT technology was superior and the artists/designers made the games around them... but it's unreasonable to expect young people today to spend the time and crazy money to buy all the required things. A emulator and a HDTV/monitor is 75% the way to the same experience for 0% the cost... and the games themselves are 100% the same (if not better with possible cheats, hacks, or mods)! The money people my age spend on these games, is NOT to only make them look better (no matter what they claim) - it is to capture some of that same nostalgic feeling of being a carefree kid back in the simpler days of the 70s/80s and 90s. Something lost on most you younger guys, and frankly: a fool errand for older middle-aged guys wasting money and time running on a treadmill year after year constantly chasing a fleeting feeling that they can never reproduce. We are old, those days are over, life sucks now for us - really, grow up guys. Be adults. The world really needs adults right now... and Zoomers... Suckle that t33t of the Emulation goddess! The retro gaming world is your oyster and its mostly free!

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment, lots of detail in there! Probably doesn't deserve to under such a small channel imo. Yeah, when i said 25 years I was meaning handhelds, which i should have been clearer on, however that would still be a bit off because I often forget its far from 2016 now. I don't really know how much younger you're talking, but my parents didn't get an LCD TV until 2009, and most friends I knew had even their 360s hooked up to a CRT. If you were a working adult in the 2000s perhaps you did have a HD plasma or (unfortunately) a rear projection. However, teenagers and kids usually don't have that much money lol, and a lot of parents didn't either. Sure maybe if you're a kid now you wouldn't have that air of nostalgia over old electronics, but the youngest millennials/older Gen Z are quickly nearing 30. Rare things were absolutely always expensive, but I don't think I'm wrong in saying prices were increasing, but relatively stable up until a handful of years ago. I do think you're right about KZread, but idk when it was exactly. Lots of those channels were around for years, however it seems to have really picked up recently. Awesome insight though!

@AgentMorgan2010

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't place the blame on the likes of AVGN. Yes, he has a lot of shit. But amassing a bunch of shit has never been the point or the focus of his channel. KZreadrs like MetalJesus, however: absolutely. The KZreadrs that film all their videos in front of their 8 ft high walls of video game shelving shit in every shot, that basically do nothing but "pick-ups" and "hidden gem" videos that foment the rabid FOMO in their audience... _those_ types have certainly had a big hand in the massive over-inflation in the market we're now seeing. I'm ashamed to say that I've even gotten caught up from time to time. Emulation is definitely the way to go (for the most part), and I'm ready to see this retro balloon pop.

@Mario-zi8wr

7 ай бұрын

Lmfao gatekeeper

@HollowRick

6 ай бұрын

As a 31 year old millennial who got into collecting playstation 1, playstation 2 and SNES 10 years ago and still plays those systems and my collection regularly on a 27 inch sony Trinitron needed to hear this... I'm chasing a feeling.. as if it was about the games I'd just emulate them 😢

@Mario-zi8wr

5 ай бұрын

What’s going to happen with these old hardware when people who grew up with them die?

The modern snes and nes mini is a pretty good way to acquire retro consoles. Reproduced and replica games will also be a good way to get retro games for cheap. This is personally what i did as i like having games and consoles physically. Though if you don't care about that then emulation is definitely the way to go

@okamijubei

Жыл бұрын

yes but the problems with some of those is that they may have a slow buffer or not all games are there because of copyright and licensing issue or some are just went off tone or out of sync and such.

@TheChoosh

Жыл бұрын

It’s more morally correct to download roms for free than to buy reproduced cartridges with the roms stuffed in them.

@inmundo6927

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheChoosh how is it more "morally correct"? In both cases you are getting roms down from the internet. In the first scenario you are downloading them yourself and playing them right on the computer through an emulator. In the second scenario, someone has done the exact same, only that they also went further and burned the roms into a physical eprom, attached it to a cartridge so that you can play it in an original console (in a way helping to preserve them) and put a price on this SERVICE, which you are free to take or leave. Of course they don't own the rights to the roms, but neither do you!

To be able to play retro games the way i did that 25 years ago, again on a small tube tv, it'd be fun because i was very young when i used to experience that. But i wouldn't spend 1000s of dollars on it because of the reason that you explain. I could never ever get used of playing rretro games on my phone, on my tv via a wii or on my computer, it's fun to see and hear all the media again, but it doesn't bring the same joy that i had when playing it 25 years ago. The steam deck on the other hand, the experience of playing retro games on it is just much better then on the phone, wii, computer or flatscreen tv, i played lots of retro games on it and also finished some on my steam deck.

A couple of years ago I decided to buy again my childhoods consoles. What I found is that many people think that the console is broken while they are really fixable. I took a chance on a PS1 slim (broken) it needed new jack for the power. N64 broken , just cleaning inside, Gameboy g and colour with broken screens. Bought new screens for like 30 bucks from china

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I've done this before myself. Keep that ewaste out of landfill 100%

@pigs18

Жыл бұрын

I bought a 5200 cheap because the owner couldn't find the power outlet and thought it was broken. (Also, if the controllers don't work on it, it's probably a simple, off the shelf chip that needs to be replaced in the console itself.) I bought a WiiU that just had a quarter stuck in the disc drive, and a 7800 with a cracked case, most of which could be repaired with some Gorilla Glue. I bought a Vectrex controller with a missing knob for half price and bought the knob online for less than ten bucks shipped. There are good console deals if you don't mind buying them separately. (Xbox360 and Kinect will almost always be cheaper separately.)

@maytheforcebewithyou5923

Жыл бұрын

Small update I found in eBay 15 dollars "broken" Wii. It needed 20 dollars from china disk drive! I moded it and my daughter loves it

@dingusbingus7463

Жыл бұрын

I have a project win98 laptop that goes for over $100 I got for $13 and the fix is a on average $3 CMOS battery. People in this hobby sometimes forget to look with patience and be optimistic. This hobby is very much another mans trash is another mans treasure

@inmundo6927

11 ай бұрын

but how would you know what kind of broken it could have?? Or that it isnt broken beyond repair...

Honestly checked out at this point. I recall a decade ago thinking $20 for silent Hill 1 was way too much and now I wish I could go back. Idk I'm strange in that it'd be nice to have a micro collection physically of my favorite series', but I'm not insane. I've just stuck with emulation since it's so much more convenient on every level. Might try and do some console mods to play backups, but some of those are pricey too, just for the "authentic experience"

@emanuelruiz7710

Жыл бұрын

Totally, had to order a Wii u and 3ds from Japan because they are so much cheaper. The modding of a Japanese Wii u was a pain in the ass but worth the money I saved.

@emanuelruiz7710

Жыл бұрын

@Rage Kage nice lol. I remember the PS2 had to pull the disc tray manually while the PS2 was on. I could be remembering it wrong tho. The 64 had tabs we had to file down on the cartridge to fit before all these 3d printed stuff they make for it now. The good ol days lol

The issue with emulation is that is not always 100% accurate with the original system. Sometimes there's some missing effects or directly the game doesn't work as it should be. I think a good alternative for retrogaming are flashcarts. Consoles usually aren't too expensive, and alongside with a flashcart you can play basically what you want, and still being 100% accurate with the system. As for moderm platforms like PS1, PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, etc, I prefet softmodding so I can play backups via hard drive. Nice video ^^" Greetings from Spain.

@BenisBroductions

Жыл бұрын

at this point emulation has gotten so good up to the wii era you wont really have any problems

@jorggito12345

Жыл бұрын

@@BenisBroductions I disagree. For example, in PCSX2 (at least with previous builds, not sure if now is fixed) in some games the fog is rendered very poorly, like in WRC 04 or Metal Gear Solid 3. Also, in some GBA/GBC emulators, they don't emulate the LCD ghosting like it should be. In some original hardware you even experience some slowdowns which in most emulators fix as well. I know they're some very minimal details but in my opinion an emulator will never be as accurate as a console, that's why there're other alternatives like softmodding or cartridges

@BenisBroductions

Жыл бұрын

@@jorggito12345 oh damn maybe we just play different games. From my experience the recent emulation scene has been so good I haven’t really seen many flaws. Also upscaling can be a god send. So for me that bumps it to be even better than a console experience. But it’s not perfect . And the Sometimes you’ll get little hiccups. but from my experience the pros FAR outweigh the cons.plus the added convenience of emulation is amazing.

@BenisBroductions

Жыл бұрын

@@jorggito12345 I get the novelty of retro game collecting but to me the actual best way to play the games is through emulation

@inmundo6927

11 ай бұрын

another thing you can't get with emulation is GLITCHES!! And there are some beautiful freeze screens in there. All pure 8-bit art.

I sold all my old old stuff (everything before ps2) and bought a laptop last year for emulating (and other windows stuff) but mainly emulation. It can hdmi to my TV, all my controllers work on it via retroarch (8bitdo, Sony, xbox), I love it. Best thing I ever did. Now I own a retroarch laptop, a ps2, a Wii, a ps3, a xb series S, a ps5 and a switch. The amount of storage room I've saved, the money I've saved not chasing ebay no more. Emulation is the future. 😊

awesome video!

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I find it depends who or where you buy them from. The best places to buy retro games are usually garage sales, flea markets, thrift stores, gaming/entertainment expos, Amazon, or your local retro gaming store(s) or mom and pop shops. I recently bought Batman: The brave and the bold (wii) for $15 at a gaming store (Game City) in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

That was an amazing video dude! for you to only have 300 subs is a sin😮 keep doing your thing

underated youtuber

If you REALLY want to collect old school games you should 1. Ask family 2. Look around the house 3. Go to garage sales, yard sales, flea markets, etc 4. Idk find in other ways that isn’t overpriced

I'm a retro collector - I collect consoles and mod them to play the hundreds of thousands of roms I have collected. Thank you.

I remember buying Heartgold for $35 in 2013 and thought it was pricey. Fast forward, it's $100 and everyone is asking for the same fucking price Like no one just wants to get rid of it, they search ebay prices and keep it listed while moaning that there isnt a buyer unless desperate or high on nostalgia

@frizzyrascal1493

Жыл бұрын

Heartgold and Silver (practically new) go for 50-50€ here

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Ikr, I remember passing on 1st and 2nd gen pokemon because $30 was a lot for a gb game. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Playing snes games on my snes with the original controller, RGB and OSSC is simply awesome. Then I use a SD2SNES of course for the games.

I found my way. I buy original hardware because I love playing on original consoles but I also buy an ODE, flashcart or hard drive for all my consoles. All those great solutions revolutionized retro gaming.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

This is an awesome middle ground for sure!

Great video. Retro gaming, and collecting as a whole, isn’t for everyone.

I kinda agree with this. If it is a current gen console yeah buy it if you want as long as it is available to purchase. If it is really old, just emulate it.

@saki3963

Жыл бұрын

The physicality is a major part of it tho

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! It's just important to keep in mind when the line is crossed. The physicality probably isn't worth several hundred dollars to most people.

I've been collecting games since the 1980s and I have picked them up all over the place! For the best overall prices, you just need to know where to pick them up! Garage sales, small booths in the back of flea markets, thrift shops, and small pawn shops are generally good places to shop.😊😊

I used to collect retro back in the days, but years ago I sold them & now I’m more into emulation.

Nostalgia plays a big part in the skyrocketing prices.

My refurbished, modded Sega Saturn ran me around $300, but it plays backups, or burned games. I got a CRT for $30. After I got the controllers and an Action Replay, it's now stupidly easy and cheap to enjoy classic Saturn games on the real machine on an old TV. It's nostalgic and fun.

@HollowRick

6 ай бұрын

I did the same thing haha its great with all of the new translation coming out too it's a great time to buy a modded Saturn if you have an old CRT :D

Honestly, spot on, and I've been saying this for a long time. I was early on the emulation bandwagon starting back in about 97 when my neighbor had some on his computer. Emulation was incomplete and buggy back then but even still it was amazing. I even had Connectix Virtual Gamestation instead of a real PS1, so my "retro" PS1 experience is actually a commercial emulator for my computer with a USB playstation-clone controller. Somewhere along the way in the late 00's I started collecting retro games for usually about $3 a piece when no one wanted them and maybe spent $20 for rare titles that sell for well north of $100 today. Back then I generally played them on real hardware, but honestly for the last 10 years I haven't touched any of my physical hardware, I just emulate everything. Emulation just offers so much convenience with save states, the ability to use "cheat hardware" like Game Genie without actually needing the real device, and never having to worry about cartridge slot reliability. I also just plain don't have space to lay all the systems out and I don't want to have to hook and unhook a system every time I want to play something else. Then you have the upscaling/graphics filters that truly elevate these games to look better than they ever could've on real hardware. This becomes even more true for 3D games as old Playstation games that may have been blocky and distorted on real hardware are suddenly crisp and hi-res and almost could pass for PS2 games. Nobody gets upset when someone upgrades their PC and cranks up the graphics, but for some reason people are "super nostalgic" for all of the limitations of old hardware. There's also no way in hell I'd ever pay modern prices for retro games, forget it. I think what happened is tech bros got way overpaid and wanted to collect all the games they couldn't buy back in the day, so they all competed for complete sets until all inventory was snatched up. I'd probably cash out on most of my retro collection tomorrow if I could do it reliably without getting scammed or undercut massively by selling it as a bulk collection. It's also possible the games will continue to go up, so I'm ready to ride this rollercoaster till the end. Bottom line, I like the games, and I want to play the games in the best possible way possible. Emulators with graphics filters, upscaling, and save states is the best possible way to play so that's what I go for nowadays. Long term I only plan to keep my original childhood games and my favorite ones I've bought since, the rest can live on a hard drive.

At this point im only hunting controllers to use on my steam deck. It would be nice to own every n64 game out there but most of it it pointless if you just want to game with friends. Also, Netplay is a god send which many people havent even properly experienced.

Earthworm Jim! Don't eat him! Context: back in the day, a gaming magazine in the UK gave away a lollilop with a worm in it to promote EWJ2. And that was their tagline.

I still have a collection. But I use emulation as my way to preserve what I have collected.

I always emulate and buy ports of old games on newer platforms.

i got into the hobby back in 2015 when i got mgs twin snakes for 50$ then got a GBC a year later or so since then i own over 34 consoles handhelds included and probably 200 or so games but i did notice when the pandemic hit everyone started getting into the hobby because what else do you do stuck at home so alot of the games i bought skyrocketed in price it is much harder now to get into the hobby but for me i've slowed down on it because of that im still a collector but i really watch and try to justify purchases i recently found a copy of SH Shattered Memories for the ps2 my aunt bought me years ago she paid idk 40$ looked online and it goes for 400-600$ CAD like HOW?!?! im gonna make sure to keep it safe because thats alot but that really shows how stupid the prices have gone up might as well just emulate in the end i like both methods but emulation is going to be the easier option for people who don't wanna spend hundreds of $$$

@Izeneye

Жыл бұрын

I had to pay $106 for shattered memories for PSP it's sad that games like those are going up so high in price

I agree with a lot of stuff in this video however I will say I own a Ayn Odin and most handhelds ever created like a PSP, PSP go, gameboy, GBA, and psvita and much more so far I have been emulating most of my favorite childhood games and I don't have a problem with emulation at all however I do have a problem with resellers trying to mark up games from my childhood that I'd actually want to play on actual hardware so far it's been hard to get my hands on any decent priced PS Vita games and I remember just three years ago the prices were super good I just didn't have the money at the time because I wasn't working. It just really sucks for anybody try to get into the lobby

I only collect consoles as I got into collecting two years ago. I got over twenty consoles and buy games as I feel like playing them.

@pigs18

Жыл бұрын

Good luck. Word of advice: avoid the rabbit holes like Pong consoles.

Indeed, this is just an opion.

I'm a retro gaming purist since the 80's lol but I sold my collection and only play through emulation nowadays...can't imagine trying to buy that stuff this day and age!

W vid

I just played classic games that I already own or games on official consoles like Nintendo Switch Online.

I am into retro gaming, but because the total file size of every console before the playstation, including the N64, is so tiny; I saved the money I would have spent on physical media, and will just buy controllers to get the "authentic" feel. Only systems I can justify owning original hardware for are the entire DS line, up to the *new 3DS, The PS Vita, and the Wii U. Hard to emulate the dual screen functionality, or the back touch pad, in a comfortable way. The PS5 runs PS4 games just fine, The Xbox Series runs Xbox One games just fine, people have gotten the Wiimote sensors working on PC, and PS3 emulation is pretty stable now, so unique control gimicks are the only real complication. (outside the spotty compatibility of original Xbox and 360 title emulation, but give them time.)

here's a simple solution,just emulate,you can do it on a pc or a phone or even mod a handheld like a 3ds or wii u or ps vita,you can play the games you don't need to buy the games or the hardware plus you can do a bunch of tweaking they can look really sharp and good

@e.t1031

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why 3ds price is skyrocketing

I would say a nice middle ground would be a flash cartridge on original hardware

all my retro games and consoles were from freebies from family who grew out of it and friends who no longer need it

There are some great eBay sellers out there who refurbish older consoles and charge a reasonable price. I’ve always foungpd this the best way to go for buying used consoles.

I currently have a reproduction NES, I am trying to get also get a SNES, Gameboy Light, Gameboy Color, DS, 3DS, Sega Genesis, and N64. The problem with the emulators is the fact that they don’t have the classic audio and video, I like the retro quality. I am looking for the devices for low prices, reproductions are fine because I just want to play the games in original quality. This is also the reason that I am looking for a gramophone. I love the 2d pixel stuff and 3d polygon stuff. I already have games for the consoles and handhelds, so why not buy the device? I only use emulators to screen record and play on the go. I never buy the console or handheld for under $200 and I never buy the games for under $30.

If you think peoples "buy it now" prices are too high then just buy from auction style listings, where you pay market value. I am not sure what the issue is?

@stephenbanks5860

Жыл бұрын

The auction prices start very high in many cases, almost what he "buy it now" prices are.

I remember swapping out literally 8 to 10 xbox's during the red rings era, i would get mad but you got like a month free live each time so, it was meh

I think you're pretty safe financially if you want to get into collecting retro CARTRIDGE games...But even I've noticed, some of my older CD's and DVD's from the 90's are starting to degrade quite rapidly, so it's best to avoid collecting ANYTHING that uses discs. This includes consoles such as Sony Playstation, XBox, Sega Genesis CDX, Nintendo Wii, Nintendo Gamecube and Sega Dreamcast. You could wake up in 25-30 years time, only to find your precious collection of retro games has degraded and all the discs have become unreadable!

@Tay12345

Жыл бұрын

They would probably still be worth money even if it was unreadable because people would act like their rotten discs are worth the same as they were

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Cartridge games can be ridiculously expensive though sometimes.

@AFCManUk

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim Very true. Worth spending time going around car boot sales and garage sales in the summer months. Best places to find bargains, as most people there just want to get rid of stuff. Even faulty cartridge games are relatively simple to fix if you know your way around a soldering iron.

@Ed-yj1ux

10 ай бұрын

cartridges are just bulletproof they are still going strong and will outlast us, all they need is a nice clean from their pins most of the time and boot right up.

I mean I got my stuff at a local flea market. An N 64 with 2 Controllers and 2 games for 70 bucks is still okay just because I wanted to. On ebay I would be broke for years to come. Its not necessary but i like to play it this way. Everyone that doesn't REALLY need it emulate.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the day it's really about what you want, awesome that you got that deal! It's just disappointing when someone else would turn that same deal around for more than double that.

Was hunting down GBAs. I don’t even want them anymore.

Due to the stupid prices of retro stuff, if I have the hardware, I just hunt for a Flashcart, if not, seek the best way possible to replicate the experience with emulation, in case I want to sell my retro stuff, personally, I wouldn't mind to sell them overall cheap, even some of the rare stuff I have as I find stupid those prices, and if those falls in the right hands, I would feel my retro stuff really do something for the ones who REALLY want to play them.

I collect for ps2/3/4 (about 250 games combined), always bought games used and on sale. Also it helps a lot that the games I like are dirt cheap and very common 😂 So yeah if I want to play the 300buck game, I’m going emulation!

can't wait to emulate Kirby Tilt n' Tumble!

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

You most definitely can, so don't bother waiting.

@bomberBrandon

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim okay but how would I rotate my PC?

@nunyabusiness896

4 ай бұрын

@@bomberBrandon I think some emulators allow you to map the tilt function to, for example, the right joystick of a dual shock-style controller.

Im thinking to go Miyoo or old GBA. Now deciding Miyoo

This is why I emulate suddenly but then all these big companies decide that apparently that's illegal despite the fact they don't really re-release their old stuff looking at nintendo

@nunyabusiness896

4 ай бұрын

Nintendo has been complaining about emulation since the 90's. Emulators themselves are de-facto legal per court precedent and technically Nintendo (nor anyone else) have every successfully sued anyone for sharing ROMs or ISOs of defunct games. Scared people with "cease and desist", yes, but not actually sued with a successful verdict. By and large, as long as you are not profiting from it in any way, it is highly unlikely you will ever face any problems for emulation. I guarantee you that just about every person involved in making games today has a hard drive full of ROMs and ISOs from older systems, everyone wants to keep these protected and preserved whether their lawyers/CEOs will let them say it or not.

so another words, dont do it unless your dedicated, as someone who likes Ps1 games i also like collecting them, and i fully agree that local game stores like Jay's CD and Hobby or other places are much better when it comes to pricing, but yes i do like emulation as well, but sometimes it just doesn't feel the same. Overall i do agree Emulation is pretty sick, and dont do it unless your dedicated and have a job.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

I agree, sometimes it doesn't feel the same. However, i think it can for a lot of people. Having disposable income doesn't mean it's fun to burn more and more money on your games every passing year.

Original hardware + flashcart and emulation is good enough for me. I quit game collecting in 1996, and got into emulation then.

Retro Gaming > Modern Gaming for the most part.

Dang I just bought a copy of dark cloud 2 and thought it was at least $100,000 deal for $25

Honestly. I don't even buy the consoles anymore unless they are ones I have a connection with. Even then, I'll try too find other ways too get games on them, like hacking the unit or getting flash cards, or at worse, emulate, cause I'm not dealing with prices for consoles or games

I agree with a lot of this video. I bought a $55 handheld retro emulator and it saved me $100’s from buying each system with games.

That’s why I stay on Mercari or my local game x change I bought my super slim ps3 for 85 $ 😂😂 500gb one as well

If its all about the gaming experience you can also buy a clone console and repro games. It will almost feels the same as original hardware but be more durable and cheaper

Come on man, you said you live in a big city, try living in a small country like mine where you have 3 listings of Nintendo 64 console in a whole country! Good luck finding anything.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I get that, which is why it's unfortunate that everything is so expensive to get imported online. It's upsetting.

@Ajdin87

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim Exactly, but that nostalgic feeling is hard to explain, as we get older, we more want our childhood back, I guess that is why we strive for those things we didn't have as kids.

But there's always that good feeling of buying a game that it's "worth" a lot at a cheaper price. I bought armored core 3 for $20 at a retro game store, but later this year I found out people were overpricing this game. I prefer physical media over digital, but i have limits and just use emulation. Lol

I have a ps vita, 3Ds xl, and a switch. I can play basically anything retro at this point and if I want ps2, ps3 and Xbox stuff I’m pretty sure I can use xbox or a pc for that so yea I’m not into retro unless the deal is too good to pass up and I usually give them to my daughter or nephews. I rarely sell anything for money these days.

Anbernic can make retro gaming a possibility at a cheaper price.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

Thank you AnbernicGuy!

You're totally right if you just want to play the games. On the other hand original items themselves are going up in value because they don't make them anymore. The kids who grew up playing them are now old and have money. Everyday old consoles and handhelds bite the dust; each time that happens a replacement isn't available to the market. I'm not a collector, but I'm 37 years old and have most of my childhood consoles and hand helds. If one craps out I don't want a replica. I'd personally pay $80 to $150 for something that was probably $15-$20 10 years ago. I love the nostalgia the original item brings. With that being said, if you just want to play the games and don't have a childhood connection, I can't understand spending a bunch of money.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

That's how it should be, but if you stick around the community, and market, the supply of a lot of these consoles/games haven't gone down much in the last 5 years, but the prices have grown a lot more.

I'm soo happy I listened and quit getting into retro gaming!

Piracy is still theft. Just because it’s easy to do doesn’t mean it’s not illegal or amoral. You’ll understand when you’re older. People conscientiously do pay attention to these kinds of things, emulation is it’s own kind of clutter too. Nothing is more expensive than free.

For me I just wanted to get the full experience, that’s why I got a gameboy advanced and physical copies of Pokémon sapphire and emerald, but besides that I’ve got no other reason lmfao I just thought it’d be neat to own the thing and I am now content and amused :)

@usedtoenails4sale741

Жыл бұрын

Great video tho, I’m thinking of emulating some 3ds games I don’t wanna pay for rn lolol

I wouldn't call myself a collector since I'm just targeting games that I want to play and enjoy, most being nostalgia from child and rest are some I never played especially the Japanese games on Nintendo having some really good games that never get a translation and of course some exclusive consoles but most the time I'm able to find great prices due to its condition but its repairable if you have the skill that is.

I didn't wanna sell some games. But why not. Doubt I'd play them again, if I did I can emulate on a bigger screen.

God bless ODEs and flash carts as alternatives to play games on ancient hardware.

oh buddy I remember the 2012-13 days of $15-25 gbc's and America's exchange was lower than ours at the time 🤑 that's how I got my color wave.

Hmm, I don't seem to be having this problem fortunately... I'm not paying what you could have paid at the ideal period for stuff a certain number of years after its life cycle, i.e. next to nothing, I'm paying half reasonable amounts, I'm not paying too much I'm buying nicely refurnished and adapted consoles for under a 100 or just some used units for under 50... I have a number of half decent CRTs, like nothing unobtainium special but a decent selection. Buy a few upgrade wires ect... It's a nice hobby, I mean I've spent quite a bit over the last few years really... I think not really more than like 500 for ps5 1000-1500 for some massive 4k oled and 70 per current gen title.. I just don't want that stuff, looks like a headache to me, I'm of a certain age I like what I like. I got started getting back into retro gaming with a generic azz CRT office computer monitor I got for 20 and a retro arch emulation. Emulation is fantastic, I did gravitate onwards to original hardware and like to pick up original titles where not too much, it's nice to have both options really, advantages to both. I'm tempted to be getting into mister hardware also, or maybe just buy one someone else built. I wish they would re release certain old titles like Super Metroid in a nice physical form. It's like a few MB game, not hard to get hold of, do I want a nice physical copy about 30/40 monies? Yes. Why not release the game as like a deck of playing cards or something with a nicely produced physical card for use with an official old hardware flash card or modern mini console? That would be sick. Someone is always going to want to pay a lot for an original run copy but it's silly for most people to consider nearer 100 or more cost for a 30 year old 4mb game... But do I want a nice physical item to go on my shelf to represent the works place in my life? Well yeah, surly some nice physical item can be produced to sell around 30/40 for profit...

I'm so sad I let go of my old games

@evanjellydonut9461

Жыл бұрын

rip the gundam games you used to own

Sry Bud too late... Been buying Retro Gaming stuff left&right for since the past 2 years, right when the ridiculous Retro Prizes *"Emerged"*

at 0:16 why did you show a screenshot from superman 64 while saying lots of groundbreaking games come out. timing seems a bit ironic lol.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

yeah that's how the joke was supposed to work

@thewewguy8t88

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim okay cuz I thought for whatever reason you picked a random game that happened to be superman 64 lol

There are ways of getting authentic experiences that don't involve spending so much. FPGA systems are expensive but are super versatile and accurate, and can be a million systems in one, way into the foreseeable future. Flashcarts are a godsend if you want to use a console for actually playing games instead of showing off. Heck, I'd argue that most people wanting to play retro stuff just need a copy of Retroarch on their existing phone, and something like the Razer Kishin (a cheaper alternative to it).In the end the only consoles I still own are the Switch (which I've had since buying it year one), and a Mega Drive with a flashcart, that I modded myself, for development and nostalgia reasons. All the rest happens on the PC, and it isn't even a very good one at that.

if you really want to throw down cash for the best possible emulation experience - the Mister is amazing. yes, it's still emulation. just really, really good emulation. btw, emulating gamecube or newer on portables < $300 is really a hobby (or a chore). you're going to have to be a real tweaker, or not care at all about even matching original performance to want to go this route. do it on your PC, or get a more expensive handheld. I got a Retroid Pocket 3+ and it's - it's really cool. But it's not nearly as nice or simple an experience as emulating on PC or emulating older consoles on even cheaper handhelds like the RG35xx (which is awesome and easy). if you have a moderately not-bargain-basement phone it might be better too, since that's probably more powerful. I haven't tried that tho so can't comment on it.

Thank you for this opinion, I totally agree. Too many collectors buy games just to own them and never play them. Those same people feel sorry about the inflation of the market while they're literally the half of the cause of why it's inflating. Also too many people start a collection because their favorite KZreadr does. Sorry guys but the inflation is not actually on the scalpers. Scalpers exist in every market where demands are increasing and offers are shrinking, we all know that and so let's stop pretending we didn't. I'm not telling people to not buy anymore of course, I'm just pointing out the actual cause of the inflation.

Im gonna try retro gaming not enjoying anything other than genshin impact out of the modern stuff

What really befuddles me about the retrogames market is that it literally is not like this in japan, where most of these games are made, and with a still massive consumerbase. I’ve seen games that go for 30 in the us market be ¥1000. Like honestly if the import fees weren’t so disgustingly large I’d just but my games (when I do, piracy and emulation ftw) from the japanese market. Most games have language options and region locking is easy to get rid of with console hacking. God I hate global shipping

I use to have the whole sega genesis collection than I sold it because the newer sega console has a hard drive with a save file for your games so you don’t have to play it all day trying to beat it in one day . Another reason why I sold it is because I only liked a few games on it streets of rage collection, x-men 2 clone wars . Same with my snes I only played with chrono trigger , final fantasy and goof troops . I got super mad playing chrono trigger on snes because towards the end it freezes I bought another copy it did the same thing so I had to get the one on Sony ps1 to actually beat the game . Owning all those classic game collection is not worth it unless your collecting it like comic books just to have it and feel happy about it other than that the technology is a failure 😞 you waste all that time playing it to find out it freezes on you .

Absolutely nothing wrong with emulating games. Same game different way to play them. Hell I’d play emulations on a potato if I could. Great vid!

you can buy a gameboy rip off, cuz one is literally a gameboy color with a blacklight, you need to get it urself.

Rocking an Anbernic RG351M.

@barrelofjim

Жыл бұрын

That's sick, how do you like it? The sticks look a little uncomfortable imho

@JirouLierge

Жыл бұрын

@@barrelofjim I've only had it for a few days, it's great so far.

You can still be into retro gaming, you just have to be smart about it and dont just go for the fist thing you see and buy, do some reasearch first, see the actual general value and try to buy either current or better lower value and make sure to inspect and check your merchandise before you just go on and buy things.

I love games to play them not to own their Carthages and boxes thats why emulation is perfect for me i play lot of retro games and feed my nostalgic hunger without wasting money

I've gotten the bulk of my collection (which is over 50 consoles and roughly a thouand games) for pennies 15+ years ago, back when old games were just old games that nobody cares about. Back then thrift stores had bins with assorted cartridges that were like five bucks each. If I had to start from scratch, I wouldn't do it. The prices have become absurd and the media aren't getting better with time, disc rot is a severe issue and DS/3DS games are failing at an increasing rate too. Also, fuck emulation. I have modified my systems (got vanilla spares in case I feel like putting in a disc) to run games from SD/HDD or use flashcarts. Japanese consoles are way cheaper and usually can be modified to run US games rather easily.

The retro market is more gear towards collectors than gamers if you want to play retro only and don't care about the hardware or the physical side of things than emulation is the way to go

Retro gaming is awesome. Retro game collecting? Probably best avoided unless you are continuing a collection you’ve long worked on.

If you want to get into retro games(physical) go back in time 10 years

@pigs18

Жыл бұрын

Buy whatever it is that no one wants now. I always see 360 games at yard sales. I recently bought a box of them for 10 bucks. (Funny thing was I was just going to sell off the extras at my annual tag sale but those coincidentally were the unplayable or missing discs.) I will sometimes pick up bulk collections and just sell off the extras at the tag sale for under "market price" just to recoup the cost and get rid of duplicates. I sold off a bunch of common PS3 games to a much older gentleman for $1 a piece. I don't know if he was going to play them or flip them but I was happy to see them go to either good cause.

I have a NES and i basically got it for free because someone gave it to me

Agree 😂

Getting a Sony Trinitron for your N64 and a Mister for the low cost of 8 Nintendo Switches will NEVER give you the feeling you had playing GoldenEye with your brother/friends etc When you're a kid, you dont have to do much to be entertained. We walked into GameStop and bought what we could afford. Like the game bully for ps2. There were no internet homies looking out to give me the solid advice to purchase that game, i only did it because it was $7