I understand that people don't like Penelope but to sit there and pretend Marina wasn't also wrong is a simple look at the complexity of the situation it's not a black and white situation.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Oh people just like to act all pious which always baffles me. Cuz I’m like “wow. Good for all y’all good and nice people. So sorry I’m a bitch, who will be willing to do any an EVERYTHING to save and help my friends.” Sometimes even without them having any ideas about what I’ve done 🤷🏾‍♀️. Marina wasn’t perfect. Penelope isn’t perfect. None of the people in Bridgerton are perfect (except maybe Violet Bridgerton?). That’s what makes their stories compelling. They refuse to see it that way though. And instead, they choose to vilify Penelope and turn Marina practically into a saint for that purpose, which is a disservice to Marina who is flawed and cunning and way too smart for the annoying ass “good” box they keep trying to force her into.

@abrown507

2 ай бұрын

@@ChroniclesofNoria exactly and you know the same people saying how awful and unforgiveable it was would be pissed if someone tried to trap a male friend or a male family member.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

@@abrown507 oh they would be livid!!! Or if it was someone trying to trap someone they’ve loved for years, they would never let it stand. 🤣🤣🤣

@anacarolinas3691

2 ай бұрын

I dont think marina was wrong, I stand by her motives and her actions, and even so, I still STAN penelope in a level I cannot even BEGIN to explain

@abrown507

2 ай бұрын

@@anacarolinas3691 her motives are understandable but her actions were wrong it is why the whole story line is morally grey.

Let’s not forget Eloise was a huge fan of whistledown. Warned her of the trap and admired how she turned the ton upside down with their hypocrisy. She openly wanted to be just like whistledown. But when she found out that whistledown was Penelope now she was upset.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Yup!!!

@sharknado623

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I mean, why? WTF?

@tiff.k.

Ай бұрын

I think it's a bit disingenuous to frame her being upset as JUST because it was Pen. There is no doubt that she would've probably fallen over in surprise had she found out earlier. And have A LOT of questions. But she obviously wouldn't have reacted in the same way as she did at the end of 2x08. There's too many overlapping conflicts at that point to boil all the upset down to one thing, for both sides.

12:32 They hate that Pen dares to be self-serving, to follow her own interests. They hate that she dared to fight another woman for a man. And that's why they idolize Eloise - because she's supposedly above it all and plans to be an old maid and is supposedly a "girl's girl" - although in reality Eloise only thinks about herself, and is constantly rude to Daphne, Pen and another women, mocking their desires and interests, and was a terrible friend to another woman. Eloise Bridgerton embodies their illusions about their own moral superiority, their permission to judge other people and to be cruel.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Yes and yes!!! Eloise is unfortunately their self-insert character into this world, even though Pen is more real and more like what most of us would act, if we were in her shoes. The fact that they keep discounting just how much Eloise disparages other women for liking things that are traditionally feminine, like she cannot compute of a world where she and her interests can exist alongside women who want these things for themselves, is baffling to me.

@marshmello3455

2 ай бұрын

100% I love Eloise, but she is the poster child for white upper-middle class feminism. She's usually a pretty bad friend to Pen, a bad sister to Daphne, a poverty tourist to Theo, and a hypocrite about gossip. I empathize with her hurt and anger over being written up in Whistledown, but she *knows* Pen could have made the fallout so much worse for her and doesn't - even months later - stop to question why she wrote about the situation and didn't make it more salacious. She *knows* that Pen writing about Marina saved Colin from even worse heartache, but doesn't stop to examine that at all. I think we finally see a little bit of that examination when Pen writes about her own scandal and when Cressida calls her out for gossiping about Pen. We've already seen Eloise pull back on some of that recklessness that got her into trouble last season, and I hope to see more of this self- and situational reflection in Part 2 of this season.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Oh same!! I am hoping that she does some self-reflection and learns and grows cuz she can be a pretty remarkable person if she just realizes that she isn’t as perfect as she thinks she is and that the world and the people in it are way more varied than her pretty limited view of how things are meant to be.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

@roxyortiz8819 oh you are going to love my Cressida video 🤣🤣🤣. And yes. Hard agree on everything!!! I too wanted to love her but I did temper my expectations cuz even in the books, I wanted to enter it and shake some sense into her sometimes. Hyacinth will always be my darling Bridgerton girl. Hope we keep getting renewed so we can eventually get her story and season 🥹🥹

@lydia-roseaigbedion6025

2 ай бұрын

They are both self serving. And yes, I'm mad pen would fight another woman over another man that shows and proclaims absolutely no romantic interested in her. Like your cousin got more from the man you've been pining for since girlhood in one season than you have ever gotten and you are still fighting for him 3 season into your eligibility. But I'm also mad at Eloise too. It took 3 season for her to realize her opinion is not the only valuable one and that having friends with differing opinions doesn't take away from her opinion. Personally I feel like a lot of people over look Eloises trauma regarding marriage and childbirth ( ie the lose of her father and mother/ her mother's struggle to deliver hyacythin and the depression that followed) but I have sympathy for both of these girls as I understand what it's like to be a wallflower and to be boisterous about an unpopular opinion.

Exactly, with the Marina plot, they were both young women grappling with a situation far beyond their capabilities and ultimately, it comes down to split loyalties. Marina owes her loyalty to her unborn child and making the best situation for themselves. She's justifiably ruthless in the pursuit of it because she's in tough spot. But Penelope owes her loyalty to her lifelong friends, the Bridgertons. Marina makes a strategic miscalculation when she choses Colin especially after Pen warms her off several times. Literally says "choose anyone but him". And it's a fair ask because while Pen does like Marina enough to participate in morally questionable schemes to ensure Marina's safety and security, it's incredibly naive of Marina to assume that Pen would prioritise Marina's interests over Bridgerton's (especially Colin/Eloise). Especially because when it would come out later (and it would, since Marina was easily 2-3 months along), Pen would be considered complicit in the trickery. As a woman myself, I might grudgingly condone and maybe even sympathise with a woman who had to make ethically underhanded choices in order to make her way in the world. But at the same time if anyone I love is the target of said trickery or manipulation, I'm going to do everything in my power (maybe make some ethically underhanded decisions myself) to protect them. Yes, it hypocritical but it's also intrinsically human!!

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!! That’s what I want us all to admit. What Pen did is an intrinsically human that a lot of us would do as well! In a heartbeat in fact. I love both women. They both did what they had to do. Thanks for the comment

@samf.s.7731

2 ай бұрын

What always gets me to scratch my head is why Marina didn't go to the Cranes? That's their baby's baby. And since George died, I think they really would have wanted his child. But maybe Marina didn't know them enough?

@world_through_my_smudgy_lenses

2 ай бұрын

@@samf.s.7731 I don't know. We are never quite told how big the Crane family is. Maybe it's just the two brothers and they're both off at war. Or maybe, the lack of answers/ response from George (and the fake letter from Portia) made her lose all faith that the Cranes can come through in any useful way.

I find it interesting how people overlook, ignore, or are unable to recognize that Penelope being "too much" and doing or saying or writing things they disagree with often is born out of mental health issues, like trauma, anxiety, or depression. If you live your whole life in survival mode because your family life is toxic, abusive, or neglectful...then you can be counted on to react differently than those who have never felt that way a moment in their lives. To have those privileged people judge her for exercising the very limited options she has access to for the purposes of surviving and keeping her loved ones safe (not comfortable, but safe) is proof not that she is so terrible but that they are so lacking in understanding or compassion. They feel for Anthony, Eloise, Violet, and Marina despite all of their questionable decisions, but don't extend the same grace to Penelope. I think they do not want to admit to themselves just how likely it is that they are not like the characters they celebrate. They hate and blame Penelope partly because they secretly know they are much more like her than the others. That's what they really hate. Seeing their own faults in print (or on screen). They don't understand her decisions because she is complex and nuanced from the very first episode. Not an archetype or persona that gets slowly fleshed out over time. She is messy, flawed, complicated...one of the more realistic characters in this fantasy. But they hate that she's real. They want the glossy, romantic ideal - not the truth of inkstains and torn hems. They punish her not for telling lies but for telling the truth to those who steadfastly refuse to deal in reality. Yes. How dare she tell her truth when everyone else is busy telling pretty lies?

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

I couldn’t have said it better myself! Yes. Yes. And thank you!!! This!!!!! All of this!!!!

@Wonderwoman79G

2 ай бұрын

💯

I love Eloise for talking the talk, but I love Pen more for actually walking the walk. Plus, out of these two, which one has it harder? Let's be real here...

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Yup!

This is such an interesting way to view her. I've always thought the opposite, that Penelope isn't liked in and out of the universe of the show is because she's seen as not enough. Not conventionally pretty enough, not skinny enough, not charming enough, not confident enough, not interesting enough, not witty enough, with a family that's not likeable enough - and that the reason Colin is the man for her is bc he's always appreciated her just as she is, always seen her wit and charm and ambition and goes so far as to protect her family bc he cares about Pen just as she is. She's a wallflower, people don't see her bc she doesn't shine. But for me Penelope's journey has always been about coming into your own through embracing that you have always been enough, and that once you see that in yourself, other people who've once ignored you start to see you as well.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Ooooh. That is an interesting take and an interesting way to view her as well. This dichotomy of being too cub and not being enough at the same time. Yet one more reason to love her in my book! And seeing her come to the realization that she is just enough. Gods how she would blossom and bloom 😭😭. I hope they feed us these crumbs in 3B or at least in the other seasons. *sigh

People don't like it because in the book Lady W absolutely DOES pull her punches. On multiple occasions and thorough the series. She never makes fun of the Smythe Smith girls. She never makes fun of the wall flowers. She only ever punches up and never ever kicks down. Book Penelope would NEVER. Nicola looks perfect, but they made her more cruel than she should be. Lady Danbury (who they made much , much nicer in the show) once told Penelope that Whistledown could never be someone like Cressida because she is a cruel person, and Whistledown never picked on anyone who didn't deserve it or couldn't handle it. Adding Marina like that also really messes up Eloise's story, so the changes didn't work on multiple levels.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

True. Very true. I probably am missing things, but I can’t remember Penelope making fun of any of the Smythe Smith girls in the show. I don’t really remember them being mentioned aside a throwaway line in season 2. Did I miss it at some point? I actually did miss Lady Danbury being more of a terror though. Cuz then it made her liking Penelope and Hyacinth so better earned in the books 😂😂

@bibliophilelady6106

2 ай бұрын

@@ChroniclesofNoria I used them as more of an example of why she would never go after a down on her luck pregnant woman. Being an unfashionable girl in an unfashionable family she is very aware of power dynamics in her society and never went after anyone who didn't have the social influence to survive the gossip.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

That is true, and a very valid point

To be too much is the very core of what it means to maintain the balance that existing as Penelope requires. When I think of Penelope, I am struck by the balance she cultivates between power and control. At the outset she lacks control of her social body, her security, and her ability to speak and be heard. What she does control are the people and things she surrounds herself with, her books and friends. Her sense of peace. Becoming Whistledown grants her the power to take control of things that weren't previously within her purview. As Whistledown, no one knows that she is in fact a wallflower predisposed to familial compromise. She is therefore not limited by her social body. Her writings afford her an income, she becomes secure. She speaks with her quill and is heard by all. To maintain this new control, she must be too much. Too quiet, too unassuming. To wield this new power she must be too much. Too witty, too ambitious, too cunning. So it stands to reason then that when outside forces (Marina, the queen) pose a threat to the core of her sense of peace (Colin, Eloise), she will use her new power to control the threats. "Whistledown is all I have had" is not the hyperbole of a distraught woman. It is the declaration that being too much is much too preferable to being powerless and alone. To me, Penelope's actions pose not a question of right or wrong, but too much or too little. Watching her attempt to strike that balance is what draws me to her. It seems that many of us who are drawn to Penelope have not been afforded the privilege of control. We have also found our power later in life and are still reckoning with how to best balance it within ourselves. Sometimes we are selfish, sometimes we are kind to a fault. We are either too much or too little. But we are always human. And we cannot fault Penelope for being just that. In this sense too, it is what makes her perfect for Colin and vice versa. As desperately as I wish for Colin to have a single thought at least once in his life, Violet is right. He has built emotional armor that is best used protecting his loved ones. He will use its love to protect her from the isolation and ridicule of being too much. In turn, she can use all the things she is too much of to give him the the love he needs to keep the armor from rusting. And that is love we are all deserving of.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

As always you my friend are so spot on! Thank you for such a thoroughly detailed comment of who Penelope is, and just how remarkable of a character she is. ❤️❤️

And I think that's why this season is so polarizing! Some people absolutely hate it compared to season 2, and other people (like me) LOVE it. I've already rewatched season 3 like six times! I also see a lot of myself in Pen, probably why I love her character so much. And I've also been in a friends to lovers arc in real life, so it's amazing to watch it playing out on screen.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Ooooh. A real life friends to lovers arc??? I love that for you! Congratulations!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. I like rewatching the Bridgerton episodes cuz they’re so much fun on the rewatch when you know where everything is going 😂😂

@LovelyLies16

Ай бұрын

Same. I never related to a character as well as I do with Penelope. I feel so SEEN as a wallflower in Penelope's character--who also loves her books/writing and comes from a toxic household with limited options for freedom. I don't get the hate for Part 1 because I've rewatched it a dozen times and am excited for Part 2. I just love Penelope because she's a beautifully flawed character I can understand (even in her mistakes) and root for.

YES!!! The amount of hate that Penelope gets is ridiculous. Oh she hurt the reputation of Eloise, the queen could have taken her head and left her family on the streets. What happened? They talked about her for a bit, and then she was right back out there in society associating with all the other girls, she was fine. For marina, yes we could say it was partially vindictive because of her crush, but like you said she was loyal to her life long friend, not some stranger. What good would that news be for Penelope herself? Colin wasn't going to go from not perceiving her to courting her, he couldn't even thank her for saving him since her identity is secret. She really had nothing to gain personally in both of these cases, other than saving her friends. It really reminds me of the Mr Darcy quote in the movie about his role in the Bingley/Jane situation: "Though the motives which governed me may to you appear insufficient, they were in the service of a friend."

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

“They were in service of a friend!!!” This is so true to who Penelope is as a character!!! Thank you ☺️☺️

@LovelyLies16

Ай бұрын

Exactly! I get Pen has made mistakes, absolutely. No denying that. But I don't understand the hate for Pen's actions with Eloise--somehow, everyone forgets that the QUEEN was going to go after Eloise and her family. Either LW ruined Eloise or the Queen would personally. And Eloise holds partial blame at least for this because she didn't take basic precautions in some of her actions that lead up to this. Despite many warnings, too. "She ruined Eloise!" For what, a few months? Because in S3 she's clearly doing fine with the Ton, getting social invites, and can still get potential suitors if she wants to. Penelope is still an outcast being made fun of--just by herself now. "She ruined her Marina and her own family!" She knew the Bridgertons for YEARS and had valid reasoning to hold more loyalty to a family that gave her the only love she ever knew--as opposed to her "real" one that mistreated her. And she tried to get Marina to pick someone other than Colin if need be, but only resorted to her actions when she saw no choice in protecting Colin and his family. Am I saying it was 100% right? No. As I said, her actions are in the grey area--which is what I love about her character. She's a human person who isn't inherently cruel and is just looking to be loved. And protect others in return. Given her sad backstory, I can easily understand her choices--including her mistakes.

At my first job i had a tendency to annoy my older coworkers and one of my supervisors told me "look you've got a lot of personality, so do i (he did), you're not going to be everyone's cup of tea but that isn't your problem not everyone has to like you. Just don't make it impossible to work with you." Darn wise words that have affected a lot of how i go about life. Someone should tell Penelope. Also thank you for sharing a bit about your culture :)

"love her the way we want to love ourselves." Oof that hit me! Great video. Penelope is my girl and I only want good things for her.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️☺️

as an... 49 year old neurospicy woman I have always been.... too much .. .. I adore and get Pen. I wish I was as brave as Pen and do something as risky as her stepping out of her station in life and do Mrs Whistledown.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Same!!! Hard same!!! Thanks so much for the comment

The one that hurt me the most, was when someone I loved said " You are a hard person to love. " ... I know that I'm not. I know (now) he said it out of frustration. However, it certainly echoed all the thoughts that filled my brain since my not so stellar childhood. To actually hear that out loud, That stung. Especially when it was someone who I was vulnerable around. I love Penelope. She is my favorite character. I certainly understand her. Being the youngest (in the show, one of the middle children in the book) and yet the forgotten child, unless she can do something for someone.

I love hearing you speak! I'm so glad you popped up in my algorithm. Also, can we talk about how Pen stood up for the poor and marginalized workers by demanding a higher pay for the paper boys? I feel like everyone forgets how AMAZING this is. She leverages the privilege she DOES have to help those in lesser positions. She could completely ignore the world beyond her perspective, like so many of her class, but she didn't. So few people do this today. She may be too much or too cruel, but I will always admire a person who is also marginalized, recognizing what she can do to help others. I'm a social worker and public health expert by profession/education, and everything in me jumped to attention during that scene.

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Oh yessssss!! That scene was what cemented for me that she really does see more than the others in the ton do, and cares enough to use her power and privilege to help those their society often overlooks. I love her so much!!!!!

We need your musings in the Bridgerton universe. Lol on your Bridgerton rankings from years ago.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Omg!!! That was my season 1 ranking video!! 🤣🤣🤣. I had so much fun filming that. I should probably do an updated ranking video or something. Now that we introduced more people in the Bridgerton universe ☺️☺️. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the comments

Me just screaming yes at my screen for 18mins straight. 😅💖

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

😆😆

This is the perfect “in defense of” video. I feel the exact same way about Penelope for the same reasons you mentioned in this video. In fact, while I’m still generally okay with Eloise as a character, I noticed that she hasn’t been a very good friend to Penelope. Pen literally told Eloise that she wanted to get married someday, it ended up becoming a disagreement between the two in both the first and second seasons, and Eloise STILL thinks the concept of Penelope looking for a husband is wild because “that’s so unlike her” is it? Because she’s been telling you she wants to marry for two seasons straight 🤨 it’s like she doesn’t listen to Pen when she speaks. All of that ON TOP OF what she’s done so far in season 3 by letting it slip that Colin was helping Pen find a husband and befriending the girl who nearly ruined her older sister and the lifelong bully of her best friend. I get that Eloise wants to protect Colin because he doesn’t yet know about LWD at the time of their engagement and wants him to know the full truth before entering a marriage with her (which I do believe Pen owes him if she’s not a hypocrite given what happened with Marina) But I also think Eloise still doesn’t know how seriously Colin feels for Pen and it feels like she couldn’t possibly fathom her brother being in love with Penelope of all people and probably thinks getting engaged to her brother is some new LWD ploy and doesn’t realize the consequences of essentially trying to force a strain on their relationship by giving Pen the ultimatum of her secret being revealed to him one way or another; She would be ruining her brother and best friend’s chance at their true love match which is a major fundamental and foundational Bridgerton family value. Idk I just feel like Eloise hasn’t been a good friend to Pen and has been too harsh on her since their falling out which happened because Penelope saved her entire family from ruin by embarrassing her only for a little while (clearly as Eloise has been really friendly and popular amongst the other ladies this season, her reputation in society wasn’t tarnished forever)

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much ☺️☺️☺️. Glad you liked the video. But yeah. The show keeps driving home the point that Eloise seems to think of Penelope as a “mini-me”, because some of their interests are similar (ie they’re both readers), that she assumes that their ALL their interest are the same. For example, because she can’t fathom wanting to get married and have kids, she believes the same for Penelope, which is so annoying because like you said, Penelope has expressed her interest in getting married so many times that if Eloise had been listening, she wouldn’t have been so surprised.

@lydia-roseaigbedion6025

2 ай бұрын

Eloise does listen to Pen. But I think she's more keen to Pen's actions. I think the reason Eloise says it's " unlike [pen]" to be seeking a husband in season 3 is because Pen herself has only talked about getting married but has done absolutely nothing in season 1 and 2 to actually find a husband. This is due to her crush on Colin, which I don't think, she has told Eloise about. Which brings me to the second point. Pen colin, and eloise are all not so great friends to each other. They aren't talking to each other about these deep seated feelings. Pen never told Eloise she had a crush on Colin or anyone for that matter. Colin isn't telling Eloise how much he likes Pen. Meanwhile Eloise is telling everyone how she feels about marriage very directly. So it can seem like she is taking the most space in this relationship, but she also being the most vulnerable Which brings me to the LWD scandal. What was published was very personal. Only pen would know what was published because Eloise confided in pen as a best friend. On top of that, it came on the heels of the unceremonious end of Eloise's first crush with Theo, her failure to impress her mother and measure up to her older sister,and it took her whole family reputation too. Imo if I'm being hurt that much during this "protection" it's not protection or at least not for me. (Additionally this is similar to moment that Eloise accidently let's it slip that Pen ineibg assisted by Colin. Again they did the same thing to each other in different ways. ) As for befriending Cressida, I need to see where that goes because Cressida is the one who initiated the friendship.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

But that’s the thing though. Pen’s actions are pretty limited to the fact that she doesn’t have the prospects. There’s a difference between Pen not actively seeking a courtship and Pen having no choice because no one would court her, because of her family and because she isn’t the ideal. Pen wouldn’t have told anyone about her crush on Colin because I’m pretty sure that somewhere deep inside her, she doesn’t think she is worthy of him. She probably’s also worried that if he doesn’t reciprocate she would lose him forever, and she would rather keep him in her life in some way. I agree that she should have told Eloise as her friend. But also, as someone who has crushed on a friend’s sibling, I can definitely tell you that that shit is hard 😂😂. Cuz then you worry about what would your friend say. And also, what if this leads to your friend laughing at you for crushing on their sibling or maybe making some sort of statement about how they don’t think you are a good fit for their sibling which you then translate into a “ah. They don’t think I’m good enough for their family”. Can you tell that I’ve had a ton of these questions when I was in that same scenario? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. We can agree to disagree about Eloise being protected by LWD’s writing, but I do agree that she was hurt by it and that is a very valid emotion for her to feel. But I think that the reason why the letting it slip about Colin and Penelope didn’t read as the same for me is that Eloise reacted like she had no fault or blame in it and was quick to accuse Cressida immediately. It took the Cressida telling her that she was quite happy to tell her the secret without first ascertaining that they are alone for her to realize the role she played. And although Penelope’s apology about her own actions were immediate and heartfelt, Eloise gave hers grudgingly. I know they would later become friends again. And I am looking forward to that happening. But I hope that when they do, they do so as equals cuz their relationship as it was before, was very imbalanced

@janeenharrison1953

Ай бұрын

yep, she befriended the "bully"! Of all people..ugly move even if you are on the outs with your best friend. In my opinion, not to be trusted after that.

This assessment: PERFECTION! i love me some Penelope and you nailed it good! Penelope is NO pollyanna and she shouldn't be either! I want to observe Eloise quickly got SUPERIOR when she found out Penelope was Lady Whistledown and had the NERVE to wreck her room (did she take any of her money?) in the name of being offended. Penelope should have read her (no pun intended) and tell her to clean that up! Then in a carriage ride when Colin told Eloise he was going to find Penelope a husband, Eloise EXASPERATED cried is she looking at YOU for a husband and huffed...hmm very ugly of her. Your best friend is qulified for your brother, Eloise!!

What a beautiful video. I'm super defensive of this amazing, complex and very real character and I love seeing her story unfold. Nicola is a huge part of why I adore Penelope so much. I understand every decision she made, and I'll defend her forever. THAT'S MY SISTER

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Right??? She holds my heart!!!! Always!! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the comment ☺️

Oh god the poem in the intro made me tear up

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

It's lovely isn't it? It makes me cry every time as well!

Am I the only who found Eloise annoying? She was so damn annoying to me. I am a Pen stand. Point blank. That's why I am nervous about the brownout.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that the blowout is contained as isn’t as bad as we are all dreading it would be. Crossing both fingers AND toes at this point.

@janeenharrison1953

Ай бұрын

Eloise secretly looked down on Penelope too and it came out when SHE was really Lady Whistledown when in her mind it SHOULD have been her..those were some of the best scenes in the book and movie.

I need a Portia Featherington serie like a Queen Charlotte one! About the hate Penelope faces and the criticism she gets “she’s too much, she too much this or that” is reminiscent of how unambiguous dark skinned women are seen in the west. Interestingly enough the posts on TikTok, Reddit or tumblr expressing they want Benedict love interest to be a white woman so that they have representation is disgusting. Yes, Penelope hurt people with her gossip, however, the reason as to why I can’t hate her is because she just does what everyone else does: gossiping. Prior to Lady Whistledown people gossip and if Penelope retires her people will gossip. Gossip is not always factually true, but we do with our eyes how the ton loves to gossip, disregarding whether it’s hurting someone else. Violet Bridgerton, herself, employed her own maids to get gossip on Berbrook and spread it around the entire town so that Daphne didn’t have to marry him. No one cares that his family reputation got damaged or that he had to leave town for good. So Penelope capitalising on something which is so natural of the ton to do is genius on her part. It shows that despite society’s limitation on women and what they can do, that she is truly intelligent and doesn’t have to rely on a man or her family’s standing in society to create income. ( while Eloise talks the talk, Penelope walks the walk)

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Oooooh. I would kill KILL for a Portia Featherington series! My gods!!!! I love her so much (my next video is about her actually). And you’re so spot-on with your comment!! Thank you.!

Thank you for this video I was starting to feel myself slipping away, I was stopping myself from being too much.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure. Please never dim yourself cuz of what others are saying and what they want. It’s so easy to find ourselves doing that without thought and it’s so much harder to regain the parts of ourselves we’ve shoved away. So please don’t let anyone take that away from you.

@OGK-1414

2 ай бұрын

*Internet hug* hang in there. It's tempting to give in but ultimately unfulfilling.

You completely pegged Penelope and the reasons why she is both loved and hated.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️☺️

First of all, you are a QUEEN. So glad my unabashed Bridgerton consumption brought you to my feed. Next, do you write? You should, in addition to your awesome, unique voice.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️☺️. I do write occasionally. Haven’t written in years though and I only want to get back into writing fanfics 😂😂. Thank you so much for your kind comments

You are so right! I hadn't thought about Pen in this way, about why she hits some people's buttons. Thank you for making this video.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure 😊. And thanks for commenting

I am, much like Pen, too much. This was such a great video.

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it ☺

People forget that she is only human

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Unfortunately they do

I love Portia, but i do get where shes coming from and she is a fun character to watch. I agree w most everything you mentioned here

Preach it sister preach it ❤

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

😄😄

Enjoy your commentary, as always! I don't fully agree with every single point. But that's what makes discourse interesting after all. I think some people's frustrations come from other fans who refuse to acknowledge any of the selfishness in some of the decisions. Because yes, there were selfish factors in some choices. And yes, there were valid reasons (self preservation in a lot i think). And yes, we can all still enjoy how this plays out without assigning a weird morality to other viewers. Anyway, they can never make me hate any of the women in this show. 😂 Thanks for sharing.

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Oh totally! I am definitely team "let's call out their faults and flaws", and also accept that the women in the show are doing the best they can, with what they've been given! Thanks for the comment ☺

Preach! Kudos!

what a wonderful video! i just found your channel and am loving your bridgerton videos/takes. i love eloquent you are putting together your thoughts and thank you for your vulnerability in this video! keep up the good work ❤

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much😊☺️. Glad you’re enjoying my content

This is amazing! I loved your thoughts and insights! Honestly keep doing what you do, i think it will help a lot of people

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️☺️☺️

After finishing season3!..... 🥰

You were spot on with this review! Bravo!!!

@barbaragabel351

2 ай бұрын

Brilliant analysis !

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

❤️❤️. ^takes a bow^

I lllooooovvveeddd your take on Portia. I really like your take generally! You’re insightful. I agree with most of this except where it comes to her and Eloise. I think we may love Pen so much that we gaslight eloise’s pain. Pen could have come clean to the queen if she proved to the queen she was whistledown, the queen would have seen that she is and left Eloise alone. Especially because her name was on the suspect list. It’s not crazy that her always at every high society gatherings and being so unnoticed she can access gossip would be whistledown. but truth is she didn’t take that route because she didn’t want to be exposed. It’s true she also wanted to save Eloise but she sacrificed Eloise and her family’s reputation and the man Eloise loved (Theo). She couldn’t let Colin go to Marina because she loved Colin but she did that to Eloise by writing about Theo. There are times she has come off like she is jealous of Eloise like when she yelled “not everyone can be a pretty bridgerton”, failing to see that while Eloise was in fact a pretty bridgerton, she was feeling so unknown and stifled by constantly disappointing everyone’s expectations of her. Eloise is protected by her family name, so is Pen! Her mother is the one taking the brunt of the problems, not Pen herself. I love Pen but she can be reckless, selfish and self righteous. I think it’s fair to say yes, she didn’t want to hurt Eloise and she loves her but she it’s also true that she chose herself at Eloise’s expense and that is totally okay. But let’s not pretend her hands were tied and she had no choice. She did. Also I detest comparing the 2 ladies against themselves. Pen is determining the course of her life by making her own money and living out her desire. Eloise is doing the same by being defiant of societal expectations of what she should be (quiet and eager to be married). Both ladies are doing something for their own lives and that is feminist but because we live pen we are minimizing Eloise’s and it’s not fair.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your detailed and nuanced response to my video. I do have some further thoughts though. I think we are making an assumption that the Queen would have been willing to believe Pen. My best friend has been my best friend since I was 18 (I am going to be 34 in August), and there has been shit that she has done, that she have tried to take accountability for. And let me tell you, there is no convincing her mother or mine that she was the one that did it. 😂😂. They know I would bury a body for her in heartbeat and she would do the same for me as well. And because I am the more “troublesome” and the more outgoing one of the two of us (we even look alike), they always point to me as the instigator when we get caught in any issues. Eloise is the more outspoken one. The one most likely to buckle against society’s expectations that well-bred ladies of nobility do not work, is the girl who has been obvious about buckling all their other rules so far. Just because the Queen has Pen on the list doesn’t mean she considered her a believable option. She was just making a list of all the young ladies who have been presented in society and could possibly be Lady Whistledown just like you would if you were making a list of possible suspects, she just write every possible person down. Also, technically Eloise did start this off by being so obsessed with unmasking Lady Whistledown which is what got the Queen on the chase. And yes I agree. She hurt Eloise. But I do still think that she weighed the hurt, against the possibly absolutely worst outcome that Eloise could have been hit with, and thought that sacrificing her relationship with Theo; which just like Eloise has no idea that Pen is in love with Colin, I do think Pen had no idea just how much Eloise liked Theo. I wouldn’t say she loved him. But she was maybe getting there eventually. Not like it could have been allowed to go anywhere though. Eloise is the daughter of a titled family and the sister of a Viscount. Their society would never have allowed that happened. She was doing that thing where rich people cosplay poverty by going to places with poor people and trying to feel among (that’s a Nigerian phrase that we use when someone who isn’t part of a group, starts showing up and trying to ingratiate themselves into their lives). But yes, I do agree that they are both in their own way rebelling against the system, and making something of their own lives.

Hard agree on everything you just said

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️☺️

If it wasn't for LW, Sir Phillip would not have sought Marina out to marry her and told her about George. LW is complex. The ton's feelings about her are divided. Penelope is a complex character and that is what makes her relatable. If people want simple they can watch Disney.

To me at this point Eloise is nonexistent, like I don’t even see her anymore, she doesn’t inspire me or makes me want to be like her or even like her, after the breakup well that’s all.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

I'm hoping that they give her more to work with in the upcoming season. She clearly would get more in 3B with the reveal, but my expectations are down in the dumps cuz I'm terrified on what they would have her say and do that would just make me want to yeet her ass.

English is not my first language so I'm sorry for any errors. I think that people who likes Eloise are too harsh on Pen, but I also think people who dislike Pen are too harsh on Eloise, is clear hat Eloise wasn't angry about Pen being Lady Whistledown but about the scandal she put her into, I didn't read the books but in the show Eloise didn't really wanted to find Lady Whistledown by the time she did, I think it was more the sense of betrayal, not only for the things she wrote but for the lack of trust, I would too be angry at my supposed best friend since chilhood if she kept that huge secret from me. I think Eloise was way too mean with Pen in that scene, but I also understand that she was very hurt and yet she didn't tell anyone, not even her own brother, that Penelope was Lady Whistledown. Both girls have good arguments and resons to be deffended by the fans, there's no reason to put the other one down .

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Please no need to apologize. Your English is perfect, and I understood what you wrote perfectly. And I do agree with you. People that love the girls individually are too harsh on the other girl. I think it's definitely because of their falling out and how they fell out. And I agree that Eloise was feeling pretty betrayed about Pen keeping such a secret from her, but at the same time, I am also a firm believer that everyone is allowed their secrets. Unless it's actively causing harm to others, or my friend is a murderer in disguise, I'm okay with them keeping a few secrets. It speaks to them being their own person and having their own identity, which I'm totally alright with. If you do have a chance to read the books, particularly Romancing Mr. Bridgerton and To Sir Phillip with Love, I totally think you should. Cuz Eloise in those books didn't have that reaction, because she at least saw her friend and noticed her and her interests. But I agree that there's no need to put one down for the other. I still want to shake Eloise though. And I do think that character needs to grow in so many ways for me to find her compelling again. Thank you once again for your comment.

@TRICKSTER__RACCOON-u8k

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your answer!! I definitely want to read the books, but I'm looking for a job right now so I don't think I'll be able to do it anytime soon, anyway I agree that in the show Eloise reacts very badly to Pen being LW. At the time it seemed very out of character for her to get angry about that, I always thought that her anger was because of what Pen wrote about her (I know it was to save her from the queen but for me being angry about it still makes sense) and that she decided to use cruel words to hurt her friend because she was angry, in my head this makes more sense than Penelope being LW really bothering her.

@ChroniclesofNoria

Ай бұрын

Yes. I too much rather hope that Pen’s words and her revealing her secrets is what led to Eloise reacting the way she did and not just that she is Lady Whistledown. Thanks for the comment

Hmm I really feel like a lot of fans love Penelope atleast by this season. On the other hand I feel like Eloise gets overwhelming hate. Its not hard to think that all these characters are flawed and its pointleww of taking sides

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Oh trust me, it's cuz you've not gone to the responses to the comments on the comments I got on this video. Lol. Some people still think she betrayed Marina and sucks and is horrible. Rofl. But I do agree with you that the characters in Bridgerton are flawed characters, Eloise inclusive. I'm not sure if I made it seem like I hate Eloise in this video though. Cuz she frustrates me, and I would love to see her character grow, but I don't hate her.

She is too sneaky

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Who? Penelope?

NORIA am i gonna get blocked? 😂😂 I lovelovelove Pen but I'm still mad at how she treated Marina! Not even just as Whistledown but not being her friend when she needed her ok byeee

I respect your opinion about her. But, Pen isn't hated for no reason. I think the hate for her character is justified. She has gossiped to the point that she has hurt people and damaged their reputation permanently. If the show didn't try to paint her in a good light, more people would have liked her (like a villain). The show REFUSES to punish her for being a bitch. I haven't read the books, but I hear that she is more redeemable there.

@Cottenkitty123

2 ай бұрын

She also saved Daphne with her gossip. She published the truth about that guy already having a love child which cancelled her engagement. Yes all the women were gossiping but would he have cancelled it if it hadn’t been published?

@mixievee

2 ай бұрын

@@Cottenkitty123 She only 'saved' one person. She also gossiped about why Simon and Daphne would get married (cuz of a scandal). She provoked the Queen many many times (till the point that the Queen went after Eloise). She ruined her cousin Marina (+ her babies), out of jealousy (why didn't she just tell Colin???? Cuz she knew Colin would have moved pass it and married her still). She had no problem with Marina trapping other men. She ruined Eloise's reputation because she had to save her after causing the issue in the first place. She almost ruined the Bridgertons on multiple occasions with her gossip. She isn't a good person.

@Toribell1928

2 ай бұрын

She has been punished though, she’s shown to have horrible guilt over the situation, then loses Eloise as a friend, her family struggles for money and a good reputation, she can’t find a husband, and the list goes on. I don’t think it’s about excusing her it’s just being open to her character as morally grey. I love her but I don’t think she’s a great person. She strikes me as the most real though. She’s sort of like Cressida in a way.

@Cottenkitty123

2 ай бұрын

@@Toribell1928also let’s think about it this way. If she did nothing and Colin married Marina.. she was already four months pregnant with twins by that time. There is no way she could have pulled off a “premature baby” story. The Bridgertons would have faced constant gossip, Violet probably would have hated Marina. The children would have grown up with whispers about their parentage.

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind response even though you don’t agree with me. I’ve realized that people can be very defensive about why they don’t like her and can be just as “mean” as her when trying to make a point about how bad she is, which I find hilarious and also ironic that they don’t see that maybe the reason why have such a exaggerated reaction is because she’s a bit like them than they want to admit 😂. I guess for me, what I find interesting is that a lot of people act like practically everyone in the Bridgerton world have not hurt others as well. Not one of them is perfect. Penelope’s just looks bigger or worse because of Lady Whistledown. And that’s because of access. Her words have a more higher reach that the Queen herself and so it seems like her damage is higher. But Daphne raped her husband (and yet she doesn’t get this level of vitriol). Simon married Daphne through false pretenses and actively lied to her, manipulating her through her ignorance of sexual matters to get what he wants or doesn’t want. Say what you will. But in regency period, a woman not having a child is a death knoll. Especially a Duchess. She might have been okay with it if it truly was something he couldn’t control. But he was lying to her and would have kept lying if her maid didn’t tell her (but the fandom is also forgiving of him). Violet basically parentified her son and disassociated from reality for so long in her grief (which is understandable), that a young boy had to grow up so fast and was stunted as a result of that. We might like her, but that doesn’t mean that if this was the real world, Anthony wouldn’t have needed a boatload of money for regular therapy, and doing inner child regression therapy. But again, nobody acknowledges how she hurt her children but most especially Anthony. Cuz she lost a husband but then lost a father AND mother with that death. Sure Kate and Anthony were in love and we excuse a lot of things, but what they did, they way they played with Edwina’s heart and future was horrible. Lady Danbury’s had an affair that totally would have ruined Violet’s childhood had it gotten out. Eloise treats Penelope less like a friend and more like an attachment. I have been the fatter, more impoverished, less liked friend and let me tell you, that shit is horrid. You sit and bear with all the little ways in which even your best friend doesn’t see you, because you consider it a privilege that someone so out of your league chose you as their friend in the first place. I can go and on. The reason why the show refuses to punish her for being a bitch is because the show refuses to punish ANYONE. So why? Why is the anger specifically at Penelope’s lack of punishment and not everybody else’s? What needs to be examined to discover why hers is so egregious? The only person who does absolutely no wrong in my eyes is actually Hyacinth, and she is my favourite Bridgerton ☺️. Although my favourite character is STILL Penelope. The books are different. But I won’t say she’s more redeemable there though. Cuz since your problem with her in the show is that she has hurt people and damaged their reputation permanently, she does the same in the books. Of course not to the same people. Marina isn’t exactly in the books the way she is in the show, but the gossip. The damaged reputation. The having to leave the ton? That happens in the books too.

Not that intro healing something in my heart that I didn’t know was broken 🥲 you are exactly enough, Noria♥️

@ChroniclesofNoria

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Vendi my love. So are you. So are you. 🫂🫂