*Some interesting moments...* 0:45 - Grabbing people off a gen has multiple risks (flashy saves, failed grabs due to latency) and would have been a massive setback if we didn't already have our Tier 2 almost ready. Unfortunately, in other larger maps you might not have the luxury of finding multiple Survivors in one spot. 1:35 - The smaller 16m terror radius lets me catch 2 people off-guard, but mind you, without Fearmonger, you're not guaranteed a hit due to Exhaustion perks (in this case, they used Lithe but luckily didn't stay safe for long). I see Myers' unique terror radius brought up very often, but honestly I fail to see how it's consistently good without specific combinations of maps, perks, add-ons and/or Survivors being clueless. 3:13 - At this point, Meg had reached stage 2 on the hook and I should have been happy to just hook Rebecca. Dropping her was a too ambitious. 3:39 - I missed a T3 lunge by an inch on this Claire with "Made for This". Watch out for this mistake from now on. 4:20 - "Made for This" helps Rebecca risk going for an extra loop without going down. Luckily we didn't try to mindgame this further so it was only a small waste of time. 9:28 - Hooking this Rebecca seemed like a terrible choice because she might've come out of the hook with Adrenaline. Luckily, she was the only person in the team not to have this perk. 11:38 - Claire couldn't have used Dead Hard anymore after using it twice. No need to look out for it after that.

@SgtFrogger

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they won’t change him because it’s who Michael is.

@videohorrorsystem5812

Жыл бұрын

Hes only crappy because you have a crappy build and no add-ons. Naturally youre going to feel like the killer is weak and non-threatening because you gave him the wrong tools for his job and asked him to come in early and with no caffeine.

@kingbob514

Жыл бұрын

They need to make all forms of grabbing flashlight proof, not just lockers. How is the flashlight save here fair?

@Raisuu

Жыл бұрын

@@videohorrorsystem5812if killers need add ons to feel playable then they’re in a terrible condition 😅

@Chunicorn4545

Жыл бұрын

@@videohorrorsystem5812read the description of the video lol

Nothing says a classic game of Myers quite like circling a loop 30 times and getting hit by a pallet.

@thegarbagepanda3923

Жыл бұрын

*- while in tier 3

@mosshivenetwork117

Жыл бұрын

​@@thegarbagepanda3923real pain.

@mosshivenetwork117

Жыл бұрын

This game needs to be reworked.

@Ramxenoc

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@sxerwin

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but “killers op”

It's still completely baffling myers is the only killer who eventually loses his power altogether. It's like if nurse only had enough blinks for 4 chases but with a way worse power.

@DevsClips

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Freddy, he loses his teleport once gens are done. You know, when the teleportation matters the most.

@majickman

Жыл бұрын

​@@DevsClipsHe can still use snares and dream state, much like how Pig can still use ambush in endgame. Once Myers runs out of juice he has nothing but slightly smaller TR and built in bamboozle vault speed

@juhana420

Жыл бұрын

@zeemgeem on the other hand infinite tier 3 is too op

@coranbaker6401

Жыл бұрын

​@@juhana420 It's not infinite he's talking about. He's talking about how eventually you can't tier 3 anymore because survivors have limited stalk

@aaronbrandon2321

Жыл бұрын

@@coranbaker6401 yes and hes explaining you get around that with infinite tier 3 myers and only with that addon, and its overpowered once you have it.

I think Myers' concept and power is fine. It's just that he hasn't been able to catch up with the game's ever changing meta. Myers' stealth is basically worthless compared to other characters.

@squashua7222

Жыл бұрын

Well they could start with removing his stalk limit. So that you can stalk every survivor infinitely. I really don’t understand why there’s a limit

@Ryan-mf2rg

Жыл бұрын

​@@squashua7222Because you can repeatedly instadown over and over, that's really the only reason.

@arthurmichigan1791

Жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-mf2rg ghostface sitting in the corner like 😶‍🌫️

@Dafreshcut

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ryan-mf2rg uuuh, Ghostface? I mean compared to Myers, he's far better with stealth.

@Ryan-mf2rg

Жыл бұрын

@@Dafreshcut Yeah but with GF you have to actively stalk and build it up individually.

It's crazy to me how Ghostface is a better Myers than the actual Myers in DBD. Ghostface actually encourages you to play like a real stalker, as his stealth is on command and does nothing but benefit him, and he can actually stalk people from afar efficiently because he doesn't get penlized for it. Meanwhile, Myers rushes to get rid of his stealth ASAP because it's more of a hinderance than anything, and gains evil faster the closer he stalks someone for some reason, so his gameplay consists of finding someone and awkwardly breathing down their neck while chasing them instead of actually going for a hit

@bigmanliam

11 ай бұрын

Gf reveal mechanic is trash

@chuckingreaper8654

10 ай бұрын

@@bigmanliamYeah, but you can use it to find survivors so it is a doubled edged sword.

@DoopIiss

10 ай бұрын

that makes me wonder how Myers would be instead of standing still to stalk people, he puts his knife away and walks at you like Nemesis from resident evil games.

We here at BHVR have heard the community’s woes about Myers being not fun for both sides, due to his stale playstyle and unbalanced addons. Thus, to fix this issue, we have removed Billy’s chainsaw. See you at the 8th anniversary!

@rubberdinghy7708

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to make generators take 3 minutes, then buff the survivors to hell in response to your own change!

@jeffreymonsell659

Жыл бұрын

I do love the idea of Billy running around really fast and punching people.

@thedodoking8430

11 ай бұрын

nerfed pig*

@goldonawheelchair6582

11 ай бұрын

​​@@jeffreymonsell659 when throwing hands us more efficient than waiting a chainsaw to turn on

@EmpathizeVortex

9 ай бұрын

Meanwhile here’s a roadmap of new cosmetic collections that no one gives a shit about: Oh and don’t forget double xp for consecutive matches that helps noone!

Tombstone piece being the only remaining relic of old, unbalanced DbD is proof they refuse to touch Myers.

@KatyaAbc575

Жыл бұрын

At this point tombstone has a nostalgia factor.

@Peachrocks5

Жыл бұрын

Yeah really it's this. It's an utterly stupid thing and they can't buff him too much because of it. There's not many developers on an actively updated game that are as out of touch as BHVR.

@ElectricShark446

Жыл бұрын

I just got Myers yesterday but I dont see all the appeal with Tombstone. I can use the Tombstone piece addon plus an addon that gives evil + 25% to do the same but faster. Can someone give me a reason to use tombstone

@LordSturm777

Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricShark446 the full tombstone is really only for the memes or the achievement

@gregnog8119

Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricShark446 the purple tombstone add-on, that can kill a healthy unhooked survivor in "potentially" if they haven't been found yet, their first encounter with Myers in that game... Not down, not restricted by anything... Kill someone, just do it, somebody dies, 0 hooks? Played perfectly? DEAD

The fact that Myers/Trapper are part of the same game as Blight is insane :D

@Veekron

Жыл бұрын

The Trapper and The Shape are products of their time. Matches were longer, survivors truly tried being stealthy. Game felt different back then

@mojaves_hex

Жыл бұрын

If you think games nowadays don’t or didn’t last long, you must’ve never played killer on raccoon city police department’s original layout. Almost all games I play as killer are long and drawn out by survivors who don’t do gens. They just hide for 10-15 mins and hope for hatch.

@Veekron

Жыл бұрын

@@mojaves_hex I mean on average, matches have been slower paced in 2016-2017, but yes, it depends on calibre of survivors. I didn't mean that every single match nowdays is speedrun

@yunglink992

Жыл бұрын

@@mojaves_hex No offense, but that's probably because you're low rank.

@cyberk1ng_

Жыл бұрын

Is not blight's fault that they are trash

Certified Myers moment when the survivors are completely oblivious to everything that's happening and gift you the game by doing a lot of mistakes but you realize you're playing Myers so it's still close and you might lose despite any misplay they make.

@BwanaLasPelotas

Жыл бұрын

Lmao that applies to every killer...Shows you how little effort you have to make to win as survivor. Everyone was injured for the whole match, only 1 gen done with 1 player on death hook because nobody rescued her, Meg still did gens and rescues, they failed on every chase, keep making a lot of mistakes (The Jill was the only one decent...Just hold W to be safe in chases as survivor, not even mentioning the classic "press E to tank hits without any danger) and they still won the match (Honestly, Otz should've waited for the base BT and get the win after the Nea traded with Rebecca at the end)

@MazenDraou

Жыл бұрын

you guys do realize that he is playing a random build with no add-ons against a SWF with meta build, 2 green flashlights, and styptic. I mean ffs have some perspective.

@ThisIsRyuuu

Жыл бұрын

@@MazenDraou brother, i just wrote a lighthearted comment that was partly meant as a joke after i saw the video. Didn't even think anyone would see and certainly didn't want to start a serious debate over that one round. As a serious note tho, you gotta admit that these survivors, SWF stack or not, made far too many mistakes for them to win the game or even get close to it. But maybe that's just my opinion, idk, as i said, comment wasn't meant to be taken that serious, i'm just a dead inside myers main.

@mojaves_hex

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@BwanaLasPelotasWith 3 survivors dead, I definitely wouldn’t say they “won the match”. Winning the match as survivor would be a result of 1-2 dead max. 3 dead is the majority dead. However I do agree it’s pretty easy to win as survivor unless you’re with trash randoms.

@feedthemeat543f

Жыл бұрын

@@BwanaLasPelotas”they still won the match” ….. did you and I watch the same vid cause I’ve no idea how 3 dead survivors is them winning

Whole DbD community: “Myers is fundamentally bad and an awful experience to play” DbD developers: “Did that Hillbilly addon USE PERCENTAGE SPIKE?!?! We must remove all functionality”

@johnjohnson7259

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao they’re so stupid

@adrioumario1369

Жыл бұрын

*Agrees in Myers Main*

@linkholder

Жыл бұрын

​@@adrioumario1369* supports as Ghostface main *

@mcl4549

8 ай бұрын

"Does Billy really need a chainsaw, lets just get rid of it."

I think we will see a Trapper change/buff before a Myers one

@sxerwin

Жыл бұрын

Wishful thinking that they’ll buff either

@VeryHungryEggshelleater

Жыл бұрын

sentence has the same energy of us seeing a Team Fortress 3 before Left 4 Dead 3

@Ya0w

Жыл бұрын

Which is pretty bad considering they said they are fine with trappers current state.

@taragnor

Жыл бұрын

Trapper is a lot easier to buff, because his power is so straightforward and he doesn't have a bunch of add-ons that fully change his playstyle.

@Peachrocks5

Жыл бұрын

@@VeryHungryEggshelleater Ouch, this burns my soul. So does the original comment. You guys are mean :(. In all seriousness, very truthful. I honestly believe they have no clue on many things and Myers is just one of them.

This is what makes me sad. I used to play the shape a lot more. But the more longer I played him, the more I realised how hopeless it was for me as a killer. Survivors got stronger and stronger, and he felt like there was nothing to do. He is only still "powerful" because of tombstone piece, and I hate using it.

When myers fully stalks a survivor they should get a debuff (slow action speed/reduces how far u can hear his terror radius etc) or he should get a buff. Its legit unfair that depending on what survivor dies you literally dont have a power

@D-Doc-C

Жыл бұрын

Oblivious maybe? If permanent oblivious is too op they can put it on a 100s timer or something. It would add to the "stealth" part of his kit and letting him stalk you would have more of a consequence.

@ShaadeGaming

Жыл бұрын

myers is a okay killer no need to buff him really. only time i see myers play in pubs its tombstone so im just glad i dont have to play against him lol

@Kidkinsey

Жыл бұрын

@D-Doc-C yup I shouldn't be punished for fully stalking somebody 😭😭

@Kidkinsey

Жыл бұрын

@ShaadeGaming I don't want a major change his basic power fits him but it definitely needs some tweaks

@William256

Жыл бұрын

@@ShaadeGaming He is extremely weak. He does need a rework, but Tombstone needs outright removed. The entire premise of it isn't fixable.

they won't change him because technically he's doing okay by BHVR standards. But that's all 100% because of Tombstone add-ons. The devs don't look at gameplay, only numbers, as they've proven time and time again.

@wwemonkey619

Жыл бұрын

But they usually nerf and addon that is over performing on a killer who isn't performing the best

@thisisiampie6946

Жыл бұрын

​@@wwemonkey619so next patch is a pig nerf then and a blight add on buff patch

@BwanaLasPelotas

Жыл бұрын

That's why I still think the "3k=win" is stupid...Otz 50 win streak condition is the only win condition for a killer, even if survivor is a lot more stronger now that it was back then. If you want to consider a 3k a win, make it viable so every killer can 3 hook everyone. That way you dont put in the same bag a basement bubba with only 3 hooks getting a 3k with a clown that managed a 8-11 hook game (And by hooks I mean the amount of hooks you get, not counting as 2 hooks someone who entered 2nd stage)

@wwemonkey619

Жыл бұрын

@@thisisiampie6946 that would be funny

@Bannith

Жыл бұрын

@@BwanaLasPelotas It should be hook state based ya. People escaping shouldn't matter as much and the game really needs to have something as simple as a "The Entity is Pleased" to confirm wins. Game really needs to punish camping and tunneling better while also improving and slowing the pace of the game overall so people don't feel rushed constantly.

Myers may not be a strong or particularly good killer, but for me at least, he will always be one of the scarier ones because you'll just see him out of the corner of your eye and "He's just standing there! Menacingly!" right before someone gets instadowned with tier 3 and a slight heart attack lol

@daviddiaz5815

11 ай бұрын

Unless you know how he works, and start running the moment you see him

@TigerGamer32

11 ай бұрын

@@daviddiaz5815 I very much understand how Myers works, that however does not stop the people that play him from being sneaky and/or devious to catch me or any other survivor even a little off guard

@mosshivenetwork117

6 ай бұрын

A valued relic.

The fact that Micheal is still so week make me believe that the devs are scared to change him for some reason

@SpoookyLucky

Жыл бұрын

Cuz survivormains will cry again about killers buffs

@gungfry7728

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, maybe if he was month they’d consider some changes

@LordFerbombi

Жыл бұрын

@@SpoookyLuckyKiller mains avoiding the urge to complain about a survivor complaining:

@xabrias

Жыл бұрын

​@@SpoookyLuckybruh they dont even buff killers and the lil bitches still cry lmao 😂😂

@RedBloodAura

Жыл бұрын

​@@LordFerbombime playing both and not caring about either side complaining:

I love the fact that ghost face can actually be stealthy at any given time, is shorter, can crouch AND has unlimited stalk on survivors lol he has been the reworked Michael Myers if you ask me

@Veekron

Жыл бұрын

This is correct, The Shape was product of his time. And his power didn't aged well

As a Myers main I can say he’s ones of the best designed killers and one of the worst at the same time

@KayvK

Жыл бұрын

He was designed for a different time.

@coytheboyy

Жыл бұрын

@@KayvK truley

@mosshivenetwork117

6 ай бұрын

I think the stalking power is a bit silly because all you do is look at survivors to get your power. I think it would be better if he was like dredge where you actually have to harm survivors to get your power. Like, ANYTHING else other than just staring at survivors.

@GravelordElmo

5 ай бұрын

@@mosshivenetwork117 that doesnt work because in the movies he literally stalks people...

I feel like the real reason they wont change him is because they did an admittedly good job of representing his character and they dont know how to majorly change it while keeping that intact. If that was true I dont blame them

@ZacharyHolcomb-xt1bn

3 ай бұрын

This seems the most likely reason. I think it would be pretty hard to make him stronger without being op or completely different

I don't even play the game but he is so relaxing to watch.

@hazard2972

Жыл бұрын

Well, as every person who doesn't play this game but still watches his videos, it's his personality and his plays which made the video entertaining

@yoshi5518

Жыл бұрын

@@hazard2972fr I stopped playing like a year and a half ago but still watch otz

But you see Otz. Only 6 people play Myers and 4 of them are dedicated 1000+ hours Myers mains who 4k every game! The stats don't lie, this killer is super powerful! The spreadsheet is in the green, he's all good

@AmyLovesYou

Жыл бұрын

I mean... if you look at the results here, Myers with no add-ons had a close game against a medkit and two green flashlights which all had add-ons, and they did manage to pull off a flashlight save that wasted more time. Were the survivors to have no items/add-ons at all against Otz playing Myers with no add-ons, Otz would likely have won with a little bit less sweat in the end. He seems well-balanced based off what was shown here. This game is not an example of his weakness as Otz portrays through communication. It is a perfect representation of how well this particular killer is balanced at a base-kit versus base-kit level. It amazes me that people think they should win a game easily for the game to be balanced. That is not balance. The game should be equally challenging for both parties facing against each other which is exactly what we watched here. Unless he can produce better representations of his beliefs about Myers, his point will never come across to critical thinkers. This video is null in that regard, and simply looks like how an average match within the game should play to begin with.

@ignisimperia01

Жыл бұрын

​@@AmyLovesYouso are you saying that even though according to most people Myers is the weakest killer in the game that it doesn't actually matter and he's fine. I feel like all killers should be of equal value, you shouldn't be able to blindfold yourself and win as spirit and then strain to break even as Myers. Otz has 7000+ hours in this game and still struggled this match. Any average player would've lost this easy

@nubbe8986

Жыл бұрын

@@AmyLovesYou I do agree about the balance part, but i dont think the video is a null point in regards to myers being weak/unbalanced. myers is a reverse-legion situation,legion wants people to be injured so she/he can get a down in the next hit, whereas myers wants people to heal so his m2 actually does something. when survivors do not heal(like in the video) his power is just "superior anatomy" put in the power slot. also his power(EW 3) is limited in activation and it is in survivor's hands whether or not he gets to expose the survivor. Ironically, the game sort-of incentivize survivors to NOT heal because of the perk "made for this" (which otz has ranted about multiple times) while also putting the killer in the lose-lose situation where the killer has to choose either gamble with the next survivor and get an instadown or keep chasing the survivor with 3% faster speed than anyone else

@djohnthesalty

Жыл бұрын

@@AmyLovesYou These survivors wasted 2 full damn minutes just sitting around a hook. No gens, no healing, no saving. All 4 of them doing completely nothing. You do this versus nurse, hag, blight, oni, any strong killers you lose instantly. These survivors literally handed myers the game on a silver platter but he's too weak to keep it. The reason why it's imbalanced is because: 1) Otz played very well 2) The survivors fucked up early game tremendously. 3) despite this, the game was extremely close. Clearly myers is not balanced if it takes the combined mistakes of 4 people simultaneously for him to even have chance.

@deadersurvival4716

Жыл бұрын

@@djohnthesalty I love how you say ALL of that, just to ignore that the survivors also did multiple things right to take the game back even AFTER their mistakes; including a fucking flashlight save, and MULTIPLE pickups. Also, "extremely close"? My dude, he managed to stall two different gens completing for almost three minutes AND managed to get a 3k. 1) As much as Otz is an icon in this scene for a reason, he did NOT play well. Let's make that perfectly clear. He allowed an unhook in line of sight and dropped chase with an injured survivor who he would have beat to the unhook (who had a flashlight), he allowed MULTIPLE people to get picked up despite not needing to do anything more than running them off or taking anything back for letting them up, AND he played in a game with two flashlights for the entire game. Instead of playing to get one of them 2 hooked (or out) and then dealing with the other. He played too aggressively, and it shows. 2) For every survivor mistake, they made a save or better and Otz also made a mistake. 3) Despite this, Otz managed to get a 3k. Yeah, I think Myers is fine in powers. Take away his one hit mori and he might actually even need the buff. But as is? he's fine. Maybe not fun, but he's definitely fine. I mean, he took FOUR different flashlight stuns, ate a pallet, and let more slugs up than I do when I do some Friendly Killer games; AND HE STILL managed to pull a 3k game, and was one hook from a 4k. Let me repeat, SIX DIFFERENT pickups (1 Claire, 3 Nea, 2 Rebecca), FIVE DIFFERENT STUNS, FOUR instadowns (technically 5, but I'm gonna count animation instadowns as a half: 1 on hook, Rebecca; one in locker, Claire; three through power, Meg, Nea, Nea), THREE kills, TWO hooks on the living survivor, and ONE KZread commenter who's tired of everyone bitching that the game isn't fair when they play like shit AND STILL FUCKING WIN, to the point where they somehow fucking started singing a MOTHER FUCKING CHRISTMAS CAROL.

As a myers main, i can confirm that i do indeed, want to cry after doing nearly anything in a match that isnt just breathing

Completely agree, Myers needs serious help and we've been asking for it for so so so long, there are countless reworks that people have already made for him including myself, they need to hurry lol.

@Szszymon14

Жыл бұрын

Myers has crippling depression.

they're too focus creating new killer & survivor (more income) rather than tweaking outdated killers like trappy, myers and so much more

@lucaguida4286

Жыл бұрын

"More income," my ass. People would complain way more if they didn't add a new killer or survivor every few months.

@CaptainCastle

Жыл бұрын

@@lucaguida4286 I disagree. I think most people would be fine with a big "Project health" update as long as it felt worth it. Unfortunately for BHVR, their "big change" sweeps are usually pretty meh. Hit a couple maps (Make them worse) or hit some perks and ignore the vast majority.

@bowen8282

Жыл бұрын

@lucaguida4286 my ass what? It is the truth they need more income. You are being irrelevant with the topic, off course people will also complain when there is nothing new. But they can also spare some times to fix the old things, and not use 95% of their resources to the new one

@lucaguida4286

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainCastle dawg every scott jund just check the comments on any scott jund or zubat video

@demonthesoule

Жыл бұрын

​​@@bowen8282fix and buff are 2 completely different things. Survivors need to stop complaining about killers and start getting good. I play survivor and have so much fun with Myers( going against a Myers ), Sure he needs the buff but bhvr seems to be scared of doing anything, id love for trapper to have some new stuff.

He’s the reason of why I found out about DBD and why a lot of other people found out as well, wish they buffed him so I see more Myers in games

I just have to hope that Jason won’t be this bad because I’ll be maining him whether he’s strong or not

@scrapinator8898

Жыл бұрын

Same for me and springy

As I’ve said before, I really respect your ability to play as so many different killers with so many different perks and be *so* good at it

It's so depressing that perks like Made for this will make those poor bottom tier killer even weaker than before 😢

Last time you talked about where Myers stands (might have been the most recent tier list?), I actually had some thoughts about what might help Myers out of the rut he's been in for a long time. Because I don't actually play DbD myself, I wrote them down more as an theory exercise in game balance, but since I don't post much online, I just saved them and left it at that. With the topic coming up again, I thought I might put a summary up, because it might generate some worthwhile discussion at least. It's long, but there's so much to deal with on the topic of Myers, even a summary is long. FIRSTLY: Giving the player better control over Myers' power flow. Myer's three modes would not be a direct hierarchical progression anymore. Instead, Tier 1 and 2 would be able to be swapped between at will using [Secondary Power Button]. I would make this very smooth, with little to no delay. Tier 3 still requires Evil to be accumulated by Stalking, but doesn't automatically activate at full Evil, similar to how Oni can control when he activates his power. Tier 3 would be activated by pressing [Secondary Power Button] while holding the Stalk button. On top of this, Tier 3 would be able to be cancelled early, so you can use just *some* of your meter. When Tier 3 ends or is cancelled, Myers would revert back to the mode he was in before he activated Tier 3. A small note: this would also lead to the Halloween theme only playing when Tier 3 is activated, instead of swapping between Tier 1 and 2. SECONDLY: Making sure the existing Power modes are assets to the player. Tier 1 would be the most heavily changed, as it is currently more of an early game punishment that Myers has to overcome in order to *become* a basic M1 killer. My idea would be to use the "In Chase?" check of the Monitor and Abuse perk, and have it play out like this: - Out of Chase, Tier 1 zooms. The speed I'd suggest is 140%. - In a Chase, Tier 1 becomes a detriment. Myers would drop to a little slower than a Survivor, let's say 97%. The idea is to give Myers some form of map mobility, while also making Tier 1's Stealth actually useful. Tier 1 would be for getting surprise hits and maybe the odd grab, but it's not really good at downing Survivors in the normal fashion. One additional possibility would be to treat Tier 1 hits as Special attacks, which is a bit of a give and take: - Downside: things like Exposed would give no benefit to Tier 1 - Upside: Stacks of both Play with Your Food and Save the Best for Last would be preserved Tier 2 would be more or less what it is now, and ideally it secure downs on Survivors injured with a Tier 1 ambush. Possibly give him a bit of extra speed, maybe from 115% to 120%(?), since Myers has basically nothing going for him in Tier 2. Tier 3 seems mostly fine (One-Hit Downs, Extended Lunge etc.), but for the same reason, maybe give a bit of extra speed here too, perhaps if Tier 2 did get buffed to 120%, maybe Tier 3 would be 125%? One addition I would suggest though, is a miniature Agitation effect built-in, but only up to 100%. This would make spending a bit of extra meter to get a faster hook not feel like as much of a waste, but also make various kinds of saves harder because Survivors can't catch up without a speed boost of some sort. FINALLY: A major change to how Evil meter accumulates, minor changes to Stalking and dealing with the problem of the Tombstone Piece. Currently, once a Survivor is fully Stalked, that's it. You can't gain any more meter from them. Once all Survivors are fully Stalked, Myers basically doesn't have a power. First change to this would be that any Survivors who aren't currently in chase would have their Stalk status degrade over time, so that Myers can potentially get more Evil meter from them. Survivors that are hooked would have their Stalk status degrade much faster. Also, it currently isn't possible to Stalk in Tier 3. I would change this so it functions like this: You gain no Evil from Stalking in Tier 3, but it progresses Survivors towards being fully Stalked. With that in mind, I would remove the Tombstone Piece entirely, as its mere existence as it currently does is likely the biggest barrier to Myers getting a rework. Instead I would have Myers' special Mori be more in line with Sadako and especially Pyramid Head, where it's intended to punish Survivors that don't respect the threat of their unique mechanics. For Myers, I would have the Mori be available under these two conditions: - Survivor is on Death Hook (in line with Pyramid Head's special Mori) - Survivor is fully Stalked When these conditions are in play, Myers would be able to Stalk the target for ~1.5 seconds (to give the Player discretion of when they want to use this part of Myers' power), which marks the target. The Mark should have plenty of sound and visual cues to make sure the Survivor knows they're in danger. If the Marked Survivor would be downed by Myers' hit, then it would give the opening to perform his Tombstone Piece Mori. This would actually make it available in Tier 2, but only on Injured Survivors, with Tier 3 able to use the Mori on Healthy Survivors. The idea would be to punish Survivors who let themselves be Stalked to much, such as trying to run in to body block because they think they're not in danger now Myers isn't getting Stalk meter from them. The Mark does run out, like Ghostface's. I'm not gonna get into it, this is probably too long already, but the obvious thing that would arise if something like this went through for Myers is that it would leave Ghostface in a bad spot. I did have some ideas for that which would also help to differentiate Myers and Ghostface, but I'll leave that out since this is just about Myers. I hope this ends up being at least vaguely interesting, or generates some constructive discussion by people who'd have a better sense of DbD than me. Have a good one, and thanks for your interesting videos.

@briomerkury729

11 ай бұрын

I'm not too much of a fan of just changing speeds, even though I myself don't have much of an idea of how to improve it... but being able to change between Tier 1 and 2... and having Tier 3 on command though??? I'm loving the idea! Also the thing of having also a special condition for Myers's Mori would also be a very good rework, I'm already kind of having an idea of how the sped up Mori would look, I'd definitely look forward to changes like these!

@tusg9798

11 ай бұрын

I have no idea if this would be balanced, but i like the idea, and it was entertaining to read, so thank you for sharing it!

@user-ju1pp2he4k

7 ай бұрын

I think the teir one fits as in the movies he can seemingly teleport but never actually runs after his prey

@RaphaelVehuiah

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ju1pp2he4k The Slasher Villain style of "off-screen teleportation" was specifically what I had in mind with that idea.

@RaphaelVehuiah

7 ай бұрын

​@@tusg9798 Myers seems to be in quite a rough position at this point and it was an interesting problem to consider, so discussion of possible ways to improve things would be nice to see around.

I have some changes I think will make him stronger but not overpowered, while also keeping him similar to the way he is in the movies. Here they are: Tier 1: Movement speed increased from 4.2 m/s to 4.3 m/s Tier 2: Terror radius decreased from 16 m to 12 m. Increases kicking speed by 5%. Increases pickup speed by 5%. Decreases basic attack miss cooldown by 10%. Increases movement speed while stalking by 10%. Tier 3: Increases kicking speed by 5% (10 total). Increases pickup speed by 5% (10 total). Decreases basic attack miss cooldown by 10% (20 total). Pallet stun duration decreased by 20%. Decreases successful basic attack cooldown by 5%. During tier 3, survivors who have been fully stalked will have their auras revealed for 3 seconds at a time every 20 seconds to the killer when outside of 40 meters from the killer. Obviously with these changes, his addons will need a pass.

If they could make doing a mori part of the basekit that would be cool, maybe tie it to the stalk juice?

@PychPmp

Жыл бұрын

They should make 4 tiers. Tier 4 with a free downed mori and also so u can go down a tier and bump the stalk juice for each survivor a bit

@shadowofsecracy

Жыл бұрын

so you both want tombstone basekit? Imma vote no to that unless you mean like a PH system where it basically doesn't matter since they're dead on hook anyway.

@PychPmp

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowofsecracy well I didn't clarify stalk on each survivor won't go back up if u reverse tiers and sum reasonable like full stalk 3 survivors type deal

@PychPmp

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowofsecracy I haven't played in a couple seasons but I loved micheal and don't want him op but somewhere in the middle. I got 300 hrs on dbd give or take

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

​@@shadowofsecracy Tombstone should definitely be basekit. Without it he's just an m1 killer

i’d like to see them make myers an actual stealth killer without using the scratched mirror add on or undetectable perks

That stalk into Tier 3 into a lunge at 1:50 was amazing *clap*

I wouldn't mind losing the tier 3 exposure if that meant Myers was just overall harder to stop in a chase. That could keep his power simple and turn him into a real horror movie villain pendulum-swinging between stealth and chase.

I thought it was a licensing issue that they couldn’t change his ability. Do you know after these many years you would’ve thought they would’ve changed right?

@notOtzdarva

Жыл бұрын

They changed Ghostface just fine so I'm gonna guess that's not an issue necessarily?

@perpetualmotionmachine4480

Жыл бұрын

​@@notOtzdarvaghostface's license is probably much more permissive since it's just the mask, he's basically an original killer except for his outfit. other licensed killers probably have to consult with the license holders regarding the power

@psylina

Жыл бұрын

@@perpetualmotionmachine4480 They were willing to buff pyramid head, even seem like they took notice of his underwhelming addons along with implying that they're gonna rework freddy. I don't think it's a licensing issue, maybe they're balancing off of their killrates

@perpetualmotionmachine4480

Жыл бұрын

​@@psylinatrue

@rtristan8572

Жыл бұрын

​​@@perpetualmotionmachine4480If they could butcher Freddys power like that I doubt they have to go through the license holders if they want to do balance changes.

I didn’t know it was possible for a game studio to be so disconnected with its community even when they have something like the fog whisperers.

It feels silly to bring my Myers credentials but I am ranked 5 on Evil Within tier ups worldwide and I'd like to give my two cents on what I think about the state of this killer. I think he's mostly fine the way he is. Otz in his description talks about how he needs add-ons and perks to be comparable in strength with the other killers, something I think is mostly fine too, but that probably depends on how you play him. The way I play him 95% of the time is by using double stalk add-ons and 4 chase perks; I like M1 killers because I find the barebones gameplay of killer the most thrilling and currently I'd say Myers is one of, if not the best killer at serving the purpose of giving you someone to play as that demands high skill in fundamentally chasing without anything major to help you out, as long as you play him without cheesy stuff like purple tombstone or more elaborate, specific builds that use either or both iridescent add-ons. Some may think that is frustrating and uninteresting, but I happen to think the opposite and why I never feel like playing characters like Nurse, Spirit or Hag because the very basic chasing aspect that initially drew me to this game is not present with them, and in some way it is partially not there with the other killer in varying levels. They definitely should make a few minor changes to him without taking his current gameplay feel away, though.

myers buff ideas: no weird distance reduction to stalk. a couple addon fixes or buffs and make it so everytime after the first time he's in tier 3 that when he returns to tier 2 he gets a 1% haste that increases by 1 everytime he exits tier 3 to a max of like 5% or 6%

Love seeing videos I got to watch live :)

I say just combine tier 1 and 2, so you now only have 2 tiers in total, instead of 3, and increase the amount of stalk needed to tier up. At this point, Myers being able to be undetectable when not having insta-down seems maybe a little powerful, but to offset that, make it so once you've been stalked a certain amount, you get a status effect that's something simple like "Eerie feeling". It doesn't do anything, but just lets you know you're currently being stalked, and the status doesn't go away until he tiers up. Don't give notification or anything, just a status effect pops up. Also, allow him to "bank" tiering up, meaning he can hold it. Then, recycle the current "tier 2" music to be a notification to survivors that you're able to tier up at any point. Make it that so once he's in chase, has tiered up, or is "banking" his stalk, his undetectable goes away, so people can see his red stain and hear his terror radius. But having Scratched Mirror still allows you to stalk through walls, can't tier up, and you undetectable never goes away. Also decreases move speed slightly and decreases lunge. Boom, normal Myers is stronger and Scratched Mirror stays intact. Ultimately, it makes it so you don't feel like 3 mins into the match that you've already lost, but also doesn't make it so Myers always has insta-down ready since if you're paying attention you'll know you're being stalked, and you'll also know WHEN he has it so you can try to play accordingly.

myers is a relic of this games past, he is such an outdated killer and he absolutely needs some love.

I think even a simple buff to his basekit speed at T1 would help. Keep increasing that each tier so he's faster, and buff his vaults, and I think that would make him more viable. Perhaps basekit Enduring since he NEVER stops coming after you? Or, as others have stated, no cap on his stalk juice.

Always thought it would’ve been interesting if survivors who were fully stalked would have their locations revealed whenever you active/down someone in tier 3.

Just finished the other Otz video. Two uploads in one day? You're spoiling us!

I think the hardest challenge you could do is run the two big Michael myers slowdown addons and have to get a 4k (maybe if you’re feeling crazy do it without the pwyf perk)

This is why Vanity Mirror is slept on. It functionally lets Myers keep his power the entire match and changes it from instant down to on-demand aura reading. In chase, this can help a lot with loops if you can mind game halfway decently. Yes, you become an m1-only killer, but you will find that confident survivors overreach often with your aura reading, which leads to a lot of hits/downs you wouldn't normally get.

@briomerkury729

11 ай бұрын

That's until you realize people can just literally hold W and extend the chase much, MUCH longer than any other traditional killer because he's so slow, sure you may catch a survivor or two off-guard, but more competent survivors will realize that a Myers that's stuck in Tier 1 is most probably using Scratched Mirror, specially if the killer sends you to Lery's or a very closed off map. In any other map, Scratched Mirror Myers is a pain to play as. Survivors can just waste as much time as they want, and I'm not even taking exhaustion perks to consideration, even a single 2% Haste buff makes such a significant difference.

@goatmagnum

11 ай бұрын

@briomerkury9163 You're confusing Vanity Mirror (tier 2 with wall hacks) with Scratched Mirror (tier 1 with longer range wall hacks) Tier 2 puts Myers back at 115%, FYI. I also wouldn't advocate for using Scratched Mirror for chases at all.

@briomerkury729

11 ай бұрын

@@goatmagnum MMmmmy bad! Even so, with the aura reading, that can lead to some interesting mind games, keep in mind that you do have to stalk in order to see their auras, and that slows your momentum... And in a game where momentum is VERY important, a decent survivor will still manage to get ahead of you without much problem... In the grand scheme of things, you're still an M1 Killer, that can vault *slightly* quicker than other killers by default... I'm probably very wrong about this so, I'll give it some tries before immediately settling into this mindset.

@goatmagnum

11 ай бұрын

@@briomerkury729 I wouldn't say that you are "very wrong" or even really wrong at all. You're right about the momentum and needing to stalk to aura read. However, the point asserted is to focus less on the speed or the chase and more on the aspect of being a "knower," but instead of making a well-assumed read of a situation to out-mindgame a survivor's mindgame at a TL tile or to have the instinct that a Hange is about to beamer save a careless pickup, being a knower becomes a M2 button. TL;DR Vanity Mirror doesn't make Myers a secret A tier killer or anything, but it does offer some unexpected results that you wouldn't otherwise receive.

I feel like they just need to make tier 1 have the same stats as tier 2 but make you undetectable, that way if you ever want to use insta down you can’t just stay in tier one but it means that if you can’t get any good stalking opportunities, you still have no terror radius and still can down survivors if they aren’t careful

Clicked on this thinking it was a weekly compilation and was wondering where the punchline was for the first extremely long clip

Otz finally asking the real questions

@tipsybun

Жыл бұрын

yessir

An idea for how to buff Michael: Tier 1 and 2 should be mashed together ie undetectable and longer swinging range. Then you stalk for Tier 2 (which would be the current tier 3) to make survivors insta downable.

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

Or just make tier 1 useful

@deadersurvival4716

Жыл бұрын

@@thatguyyouhatealot Yeah, I don't think Tier 1 is the problem here, Chief.

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

@@deadersurvival4716 You don't think it's a problem that Myers starts off with a handicap Tier that has no practical use?

@deadersurvival4716

Жыл бұрын

@@thatguyyouhatealot That he'll only be in for a maximum of one minute (if that), has only a slight downside to his "main" mode, that he can't revert to after that first encounter, and considering that he has a MORI THAT TAKES NO DAMAGE? Also, no, His handicap tier is tier 3. Also, Tier 1 gives you undetectable, only gives you .4 m/s reduced movement speed (down to 4.2m/s or 105% from the standard 4.6m/s or 115%), lunges for .3 seconds less, and has the same vaulting time as every other killer (which is STILL .22 seconds slower than his effective "base" form). Yeah, sorry, I think that tier 1 isn't a "handicap" at all; especially when all the disadvantages are insignificant, or native to every other killer, AND you get a free undetectable that you can hit and grab survivors in.

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

@@deadersurvival4716 lol, any Myers main worth his salt says to get out of Tier 1 asap

I love Myers he may be weak but the builds you can do with him are so diverse and fun even if I don't win as much with him like scratch mirror or afk Myers. And he also has some nasty builds like infinite tier 3 addon with dead rabbit and infectious fright, distressing, knockout or deer stalker and iron maiden and with the game map offering;I genuinely think it's impossible to lose.

Hey otz, I had a random thought about sadako and how they could rework her, let me know your thoughts if you can. She would keep her invisibility but she would stay invisible 10% longer while manifested and demanifested. and her movement speed would not change while manifesting or demanifesting . also, ditch the lulluby Ditch what you know about condemned and teleporting. There would be 7 condemned bars and 7 televisions. A bar would fill naturally after 20 seconds (10 seconds if sadako is within 24 meters of you.):and a full bar would instantly fill if you get hit. For each condemned bar you have you would be 3% slower, repairing, sabotaging, healing, unhooking, vaulting, dropping pallets, cleansing or blessing a totem, opening exit gates, recovering from the ground, and retrieving or putting in a tape. TVs would glow in white like a vaccine box which you can retrieve a tape from. It takes 3 seconds to get a tape. It would then pick the furthest TV from you and that will be the only one glowing in white, in that specific TV You can put a tape back which would take 3 seconds as well, putting a tape back would reset your condemned. There would be no penalty to holding onto a tape. Let me know how much you think this would raise her in a tier list and whether it would be healthy or not for the game and why. survivors and killers could see how many condemned bars but could not see the progress on any bars.

Myers is very weak without tombstone pieces, but with them he is stronger than any D tier killer I think. The fact that he can just camp out someone from the game (because his power is 99 and if someone wants to save the person from the hook he just moris him) is more consistant than basement Trapper, or Sadako's condemned play (these are just examples). He is boring af, but I think there are at least 3-4 worse killer than him in the game.

@PaulyVic

Жыл бұрын

Those add-ons require a heck ton of time to activate. By time you reach tier 3 survivors or in last gen. The only time those addons work are with low skilled players that feed you stalk and get their teammates killed but on high mmr you’re screwed. Myers needs a rework so does trapper.

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

"He's the strongest of the bad killers with his best add ons" isn't saying much.

@taszi1174

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulyVic Than all mouse 1 killer is in D tier and everyone else is in S tier or somewhere, because if someone know how to not feed a Myers than should know how to loop a mouse 1 killer too.

@josemedina1805

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulyVic It's really not difficult at all to get tombstone piece very quickly. Equip tombstone piece and Judith's memorial and I guarantee you most games you'll get it by the time there are 4-3 gens left. The difficult part is when a survivor realizes it's taking a little more time than usual and that you're trying to get too close, because at that point they'll maybe assume it's coming and getting up close to someone for the kill is quite finicky; there are multiple ways to cancel the mori and force downs, not just lockers.

@PaulyVic

Жыл бұрын

@@josemedina1805 and where do you think you encounter those survivors that know your intentions, on high mmr hence why i said he turns useless the higher you go. Those 2 add ons can only get you so far till they don’t no more and thats all he has. He runs out of stalk power too so with no good add-ons you will eventually become powerless for the rest of the match. At the very least make his stalk power infinite. I mean bubba never runs out of gas lol

Becouse he is not that bad, though it is true he is quite oudated but that doesn't mean henis worse than Pig, and becouse he is accurately represented, he feels like the movies.

@demonthesoule

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait for bhvr to nerf pig and buff artist 😒

@luchahouseparty8501

11 ай бұрын

Pig is better by a lot atleast she has the built in slowdown in her basekit that can apply a lot more pressure to survivors if you get lucky with the rng

havent been keeping up with this game that much recently but was around to see how broken made for this was in the PTB. not surprised it made it to live the way it is lmao

This was a situation in which Myers excelled at 3:03 Unlike Ghostface, Myers can still stalk at any time even if someone is hooked. After this down, it was pretty much gg, but you allowed Meg to get unhooked with everyone injured.

@strikervx4435

Жыл бұрын

He probably wanted to play nice. If he absolutely goes for the win, it is super easy to camp Meg to death with Rebecca under the hook.

@DrowsyTOTO

Жыл бұрын

@@strikervx4435 Sure, but if true - this invalidates a point of the video. He downplayed Myers therefore it's incorrect to say this video is a good example.

@Gian_sas

Жыл бұрын

​@@DrowsyTOTOnot really, if you stick to one person and camp + tunnel, any killer is getting a 1k or 2k. Literally any killer.

@DrowsyTOTO

Жыл бұрын

@@Gian_sas Surely from this scenario it would've been a just 1K/2K @ 4 gens and 3 survivors left... Surely.....

@Gian_sas

Жыл бұрын

@@DrowsyTOTO I mean at minimum, like worst case scenario, hardcore camp + tunnel will give at least 1k or 2k. This match is for sure better than the worst case scenario.

It’s a cannon event

Seeing this gameplay made me wonder: Forced Hesitation on Myers Yay or nay?

@Marciles

Жыл бұрын

jolt, nowhere to hide, play with your food , force hesitation , add ons stalk speed and power duration. 👌

Hey I was there for this match! Damn that was fast

I’m stuck really, I want BHVR to make changes but I’m also scared of those changes lol.

Myers may not be the strongest killer, however... You were using no perks for controlling the gens, no chase perks, no perks to extend the game, compared to the survivors who all had exhaustion perks to extend chases, resilience to speed up gens, deja vu off the record, unbreakable and 3 adrenalines. 3 survivors brought decently strong items with addons, compared to no add ons on your side. It was on a map of their choosing and they were pretty well coordinated, hopped on gens fast, unhooked well, looped well and in general played well. And you still got a 3k. Weak build vs 4 strong builds, no addons vs 3 items with addons, they had homefield advantage, both sides played well and you won. If this is the game you use to show myers is weak, you're not making a good case for buffing him. This is the result of messing around without addons and a weak build, imagine what happens when a myers uses the best add ons, a strong build and a map of the killer's choosing. This is not a pve game, you're playing vs other players. These survivors have probably also played and practiced a lot. You're not entitled to win them all. I gotta agree with bhvr on this one, myers does not need a buff. I know 1 game can't show how well a killer is doing, but looking at the stats and an average killrate with a relatively high pickrate doesn't show there's anything wrong with this killer either. Let them put their balancing efforts into killers like blight, nurse and skull merchant.

@hush9185

Жыл бұрын

that's a lot of otz videos lol love the guy and his content, but he plays like he needs a 4k every match and if he doesn't get it it, its the game/killers fault

@Notwedsquid

Жыл бұрын

You realize this is a streak challenge right with random perks and even then he got a good random generated build and still almost lost cause it was borgo but didn’t cause a survivor crashed myers is complete trash and your bringing up something that any killer can do good is using their best add ons and best perks to win that every killer not specific to one killer.

@UhmHoi

Жыл бұрын

@@Notwedsquid I know about the streak. Not the point at all. The survivors in this video aren't restricting themselves like this. And even with the restrictions on myers vs good unrestricted survivors, myers still won. When you say myers is trash, do you expect 3 kills before the first gen pops? Wouldn't be much fun for the survivor side if killers get buffed like that. So I agree with bhvr, myers is in a good place right now. And some other killers are not, like nurse, blight and skull merchant.

@Notwedsquid

Жыл бұрын

@@UhmHoi so you take one into account to see myers is perfectly fine when he has lost multiple times in the streams with myers

@UhmHoi

Жыл бұрын

@@Notwedsquid Yes. No killer should be winning all the time and especially when using suboptimal perks and no add ons.

You know Myers is in need of some serious changes, when they even gave Ghostface 2 huge buffs this year and a huge change last year along the Legion rework lol

@dodang_9147

Жыл бұрын

Ghostface does not have instant kill mori add-on's. So he is safe to buff. Myer's does which is what Otz is referring to in the video title.

@DerPekko

Жыл бұрын

@@dodang_9147 In my Opinion, Ghostface was already in a good spot with being the best stealth killer in the game currently. I feel like he didn't need another buff. Also, if Myers addons are the problem why he's not getting buffs, they can just rework the addons or straight up remove them. They did that with Legion and Ghostface too.

@dodang_9147

Жыл бұрын

@@DerPekko dev think his mori add-on are in a good spot. dev only look at statistics and Myer's statistic are fantastic. Ghostface statistic were bad so he receive buffs. It is as simple as that.

The fact that BHVR will go look at the Data from this game and go "yep michael is fine" without realizing the nuanaces of the match that made it a minature Hell everytime

just noticed something I never thought about before. during the first grab of the game made me realize that grabbed survivors should not be injured if they escape or get saved. if they are injured already or get hooked from a grab they should become or stay injured but healthy grabs should stay healthy until hook or drop.

The power creep needs to be brought down to Myers, not the other way around. At this rate survivors will need Jetpacks because the next new killer is an Airstrike, and then what the heck is Myers going to do? We need things toned back down.

@DarkTree

Жыл бұрын

lower power level killers don't generate hype, people don't care about a power unless it does something new or strong and bhvr gets revenue from the 7$ or so they get every new chapter release

Myers Needs a Locker-Based Teleport Capability like Dredge I think it fits with general slasher movie lore and would fix his main limitation, map movement

I think a buff for Myers could be pretty simple too. Make it so that his power doesn’t just go away entirely. Make Tier 3 longer with the caviat that it drains faster if you’re near the hook. Increase breaking speeds during Tier 3. Change Tier 1 so that he’s 110%. Then rework add ons.

Otzdarva, about the coup discussion I don't quite get what you mean. Coup already works kinda like that, a survivor can't know you have it unless they see ypu use it and after that with every gen pop they start looking out for it. If it gave permanent lunge distance, as soon as you see it being in play, you can still start playing around it, no? But at least the perk wouldn't be so obnoxious to use and maybe just better overall.

What do you mean "why won't they change him?" Mookel Myers is unquestionably one of the killers of all time. Why would they risk ruining such a glorious sentiment? (But seriously devs, please update Mikey. His design is very outdated in 2023 era DBD.)

The way you misplayed for so many times yet still was able to blame the killer character on being painfully mediocre is truly the spirit those killer mains should keep up with. Always blame everything and everyone else but myself. You are lucky that the Rebecca and Nea are both weak loopers or otherwise you only get 2k when you could have had 4

@mattiacicchetti4728

Жыл бұрын

Killer mains are toxic and cringe

I mean it be great to see new skins on him from the latest Halloween to the Rob Zombie films and same goes for Laurie Strode

I hope they don’t change him, or if they do it’s just a super safe buff like infinite stalk, he’s the only other killer besides maybe Doctor that gets 4/5 different playstyles just from his add-on’s alone, he can be rolled yet still wind up as the ultimate vibe-check for overconfident survivors.

Day ??? of asking Otz to make a tierlist of every single hair on his a$$.

@rosho7283

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

You keep giving them so much time by making weird decisions so it's not helping in this department.

would be so good if they added most fast pallet break and less stun by pallets every time that Myers level up. It's was be a reference to him become more strong or something like that. Just a simple ideia to bhvr

It's sad that my first thought was, "why is he running coulrophobia if he reasonably wants to win?" The thing is, you shouldn't be forced to run meta perks/add-ons for a killer (in this case michael, lmao) to be viable. He's one of the few killers who still need a big rework. With how popular the license is, revisiting his power would bring a lot of fun back into the game. though idk about licensing itloved your take on this

He turned into truetalent with all this complaining

I'm sorry. Having sympathy for a killer who can essentially run base kit NOED isn't on my to-do list.

Would be nice if he didnt have limited hate supply. Also when he goes tiers it should not have to notify the entire world. Also make tier 3 immune to pallets or counters.

The back to back uploads! You're spoiling us, otz!

As a Myers main, I can tell you that this is the average Myers experience. Some teams I can wipe the floor with and other times I just get dominated there is little in between. It all depends on the survivors most of the time.

2 uploads back to back! Let's goooo!!

The problem is that unless they rework the tombstone addons,especially the purple one, they can't buff myers if you make the power infinite then with the addon he becames too strong if you can get your power faster the same happens

as a Myers main this is how I rework him stalk mechanic: survivors start with 100% stalk and Myers can stalk at a base speed regardless of distance... the more the survivor is stalked the slower Myers gain evil within... when survivor is stalked 50% the speed which Myers gain evil is reduced to 50%... the stalk meter refills by time after tier 3 ends to tier up you should be able to press the power trigger button...and even when the stalk bar fills up Myers can still stalk but wont drain survivors( to use certain addons ) tiers: in tier 1 no speed penalty normal m1 killer no Terror Radius tier 2 10% vault and pallet break speed and 5% haste tier 3 25% vault and pallet break speed with enduring (this makes Myers the unstoppable evil in movies) to be loyal to the movies Myers will go back to tier 1 after tier 3 ends... the very way that Myers goes on a rampage then disappears into shadows... this will make for a variety of different play styles and new strategies addons Myers can stalk even if the bar is full( making use of mirror shards aura reading addons in tier 2 and 1) and the purple mirror addons will be buffed by removing the tier up limitation and the aura of survivors can be seen 2 sec after the stalk ends (even better with lethal pursuer) the jewelry addons will get a buff:(example) stalking survivors for every second Myers get a 5% haste for 5 second after the stalking ends (10 second for 2 second) the red tombstone addon is at a good place not gonna lie but instead of making Myers 9% slower it makes survivors 9% faster and all of them would hear a more disturbing music when Myers goes into tier 3... Myers can mori survivors no matter what in the locker or out or on the ground and the notorious tombstone piece.... survivors that are fully stalked will be moriable in anyway but the survivor hears a different chase music and audio que that they are going to DIE! Myers and the moriable survivor both get 7% haste when the chase begins this makes it that the survivor can get to other tiles sooner and escape tier 3 make it that tier 3 duration addons would not have stalk penalty and only the green, the purple and the iridescent addons would have it in a reduced amount (and please change the stun animation to a more brute like and more stoic Myers and remove the uhhhh sound effect... current version is just derpy...and lets make it that he walks thru breakable walls in tier 3)

5:36 imo Coup would be way healthier if it had a cooldown (perhaps big one, like Dragon's Grip), rather than a token-based system, that completely depends on other players

Myers was the first killer I had ever played, and in the lower mmr it was pretty fun, he was simple and easy to understand and helped me understand the core mechanics a lot better, then I started to rank up and it was the least fun I had ever had playing a video game.

I like playing Myers for the power changing add-ons but I don't like how tier 1 has an add-on that make your lunge 50% further cause if you try using scratched mirror (which you shouldn't unless you're not trying to win) it makes your lunge which is non existent 50% further... or maybe have a permanent extra speed add-on it could be a green add-on to simply gain 2% haste after stalking a bit unless you have a perma add-on then it would be applied to whenever you hit max tier that 2% might make me use scratched mirror (probably not since he doesn't even gain bloodlust in tier 1 and tier 2 with the dead rabbit is simply better)

found your channel 2 days ago randomly and gave dead by daylight a try. Now I have 20 hours in the game after 2 days lol. They should just hire you as the community manager.

I understand random perk streak is done without addons but those are powerhouse of certain killers, right? And obviously as streak name goes, its random perks while there are ones that just fit lil bit better

2 videos in 30 mins? Weve been blessed

I genuinely wonder if it's a licensing issue, but if it were I think BHVR would be open about it.

I could understand if they didn't want to put in the effort to completely rework an original killer but we're talking about Michael Myers here. One of the most iconic horror movie villains of all time and BHVR is just like "eh tombstone so fine"

i like to play myers and trapper, both need some love. a rework for myers might be to only give him two tiers instead of three, so you as a killer can better lean into one or the other, instead of being stuck in the weird middle ground of tier 2. idk, im not good at redesigns, but I feel like removing tier 2 and readjusting tier 1 accordingly would help make him feel a bit more functional when he isnt in tier 3.

I wonder if his lack of updates could be a licensing issue. They haven't updated him in a long time and they can't make changes without consulting the license holders I believe.

@ProfessorBonkers

Жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking -- are they *allowed* to change him?

@thatguyyouhatealot

Жыл бұрын

So if he gets bugged in the new patch they can't fix him? That doesn't make sense.

@ProfessorBonkers

Жыл бұрын

@@thatguyyouhatealot I wonder if bugfixes are allowed but full on design/kit changes need to be approved by the license holders

@thatguyyouhatealot

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@@ProfessorBonkers That would be incredibly odd I think.

When was the last time we got a rework and how long was it

I play Myers, he’s the only killer I really enjoy. I don’t struggle, I think his power is extremely strong, it just requires strategy. You can turn games around very quickly

@bonaaq86

7 ай бұрын

What build do you use? Add-ons and stuff

The only change i would give myers is have his stalk act kinda like ghost face were ur not locked off from continuing to gain stalk

Myers whole 3 tier design revolves around the film Halloween, he should start as a silent stalker but by the end is a full blown unstoppable maniac. But the design doesn't work as he gets weaker the longer the match drags on. I'd like for his power to last longer the more gens have been popped, culminating into permanent t3 after the gates are powered. But I'm sure people would consider this OP despite there being an add-on that lets him do this all match long.

The only changes they should make to him are removing tombstone fragment/piece, and infinite T3. Just because you choose to run bad/ no add-ons (excluding those BS one's previously mentioned) or perks on him doesn't mean he needs a buff.

Honestly aside from A) liking him as an icon or B) Using the insta-mori add on, Michael is just a weaker version of any other killer. You want stealth? Myers is slow when he has it and can't turn it back on when he leaves T1. Ghostie and pig have a better stealth, and Wraith's stealth allows him to traverse the map way faster. You want insta-down? Oni can activate *and DEACTIVATE* his at-will, and it comes with a massive boost in maneuverability. Hillbilly is hated by the developers, but even he has maneuverability and insta-down, at the cost of a higher skill ceiling. Hell even Wesker can use Ouroboros to infect people which makes them slower AND able to be insta-downed, on top of his ability to traverse the map and hop through windows. I love MM - he's part of what pushed me to get the game back in 2016. But that's exactly the issue - his mechanics were made to suit a version of the game that has long since been left behind. *Literally, The actual mechanic of kicking gens wasn't even in the game at that time!* It's not spooky hide n seek with objectives, it's a game of cat and mouse between downing survivors and stopping gen progress. The gameplay adjustments have mirrored this - weaker tiles in reaponse to survivors learning to loop better, smaller maps, and powers built to balance maneuverability, inescapability and lethality. *Even Trapper has better inescapability than Myers, as he can trap a pallet or window and force a survivor to flee!* That concludes my Ted Talk.