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@tuscan9617

Жыл бұрын

Was this video sponsored by Veolia or GE?

@no-cov-jabpureblood4959

Жыл бұрын

This is just ridiculous. All of this combined wastes more energy than it produces.

@desertodavid

Жыл бұрын

"Greenhouse gases". 🙄 care to expound on that?

@brianwhite3428

Жыл бұрын

Maybe use the materials for Houses

@4336aaa

Жыл бұрын

@@tuscan9617 The fossil fuel industry.

My first thought when they say "used to make concrete" was as an aggregate alternative or filler, like how fiberglass is added to some mixes. Nope. Burning.

@carlosesteban5601

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought I even thought it would be great for insulation but what do i know just burn it.

@rodon107

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosesteban5601 Not the best insulation material and even if you treated it to turn it into good insulation material, it would cost more than current insulation and the process would likely be less environmentally friendly. As for @NotQuiteUseful the issue is all the other things that go into the blades, make it less viable for concrete filler (they mentioned wood as part of the stuff in the blades).

@carlosesteban5601

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodon107 I dunno but wood fibers can be added to concrete but you could probably get the wood sections out. I know more steps more expensive but yeah it seems viable to me similar to hempcrete where hemp fiber is combined with lime to create vastly more insulated bricks. Dunno if you like alternative building materials I would advise you to check out Hempcrete. I'm no specialist in building materials but it seems viable to me.

@stormelemental13

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosesteban5601 Hempcrete is a fundamentally different material than concrete. Hempcrete is meant to have airgaps and absorb moisture and is not load bearing. And part of what makes hempcrete special is how the silica in the hemp interacts with the calcium in the lime. Wood doesn't give you the same benefits. Concrete you want solid, no air gaps. Organics like the wood in turbine blades reducing the strength of the concrete and makes it more likely to fail.

@carlosesteban5601

2 жыл бұрын

@@stormelemental13 what if it was made into sawdust could it be used then? What if it was made into like this pressed material like Ikea furniture (forgot the English name)? Would the fiberglass alone be viable for bricks maybe with a different brick composition I'm sure there would be some material combination that could use the fiberglass for bricks. I dunno the person that figures that out will probably make millions.

"Made from a combination of fiberglass and balsa wood" Immediately shows them cutting it without respirators or other literally any other PPE EDIT: Even if you exclude breathing PPE the dude isn't wearing safety goggles.

@nathanseago3467

2 жыл бұрын

Great observation. Their lungs would get wrecked.

@KevanTess

2 жыл бұрын

Also touching the shred fiberglass without gloves.

@ronwest7930

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that also.

@justinklenk

2 жыл бұрын

@@KevanTess Right?! Wtf, man? Amateur hour? - or are they just CONSTANTLY UPWIND of all their work material...😂... OR - are they the ALIENS amongst us??🤔🤔🤔

@dougthebuilder1

2 жыл бұрын

yeah madness, imagine driving one of those loaders around that constantly dust filled shed all day, you would never get the smell of fibreglass off your body. They will all get cancer, and this video will be used in the prosecution against veolia I'm sure.

Years ago the best thing to do with car tyres was to make them into ornamental rubber swans. The suggested uses for turbine blades (playgrounds or bike shelters) seem about as useful and sustainable as ornamental rubber tyre swans.

@GraveUypo

Жыл бұрын

yeah but old tires is an excellent material to build farm infrastructure. you can give it all sorts of use and it's a durable and lasting material. i don't think old blades will have the same sort of second life, as the material itself cannot be broken down further.

@MrTuberguber

Жыл бұрын

I remember back in the sixties, door matts made of old tire strips to wipe your feet on were common.

@derek-press

Жыл бұрын

one of the best uses I have seen for tyres is a wood basket ,I bought it from "fair trade" about 10 years ago,it is still in excellent condition,I believe it was made somewhere in Africa, search for "wood basket made from tyre"I hope my "fair trade" buy helped somebody out

@Conserpov

Жыл бұрын

Yet car tyres is one of the best reusable materials out there. Just not very attractive to the plutocrats. Burning fiberglass instead of e.g. using it as construction material filler seems extra ludicrous.

@vmorr1

Жыл бұрын

I'll take concrete over the cheesy lawn ornaments.

I'm curious to know if the blade shredder sites are powered by wind turbines.

@billygribble9939

11 ай бұрын

Of course not, they work

@glennso47

11 ай бұрын

Fossil fuel powered.

@chnacr2

11 ай бұрын

Powered by Coal and Oil generated electricity

@greglane3978

9 ай бұрын

They would but it is too unreliable

@old-pete

9 ай бұрын

They can be. The just need they right power supplier.

When they said they were using the shredded blades to make cement, I didn’t even consider it was being burnt. I imagined they were using the fibers as a binder like fiberglass “cat hair” that some companies mix into the cement to reinforce it.

@alfredonski

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same mate!

@theoneed2051

2 жыл бұрын

How is burning them useful? Edit: it was a genuine question, and I clearly wasn't paying attention when they stated the reason 🤷🏽‍♂️

@Sinyao

2 жыл бұрын

@@theoneed2051 They're using it as fuel for the production process instead of as an additive.

@stephendoherty8291

2 жыл бұрын

Since the newer ones are made of fibreglass/Carbon fibre then crushing them becomes even more toxic. A simple law would be that no blades can end up in landfill (where they would never decompose). There are aleady lots of coal alternatives for cement making (old tyres/domestic rubbish/construction waste) and the end waste can be mixed into road material compound reducing its carbon footprint (a little). Perhaps asking the motorsport teams who use alot of expensive CF or aircraft manufacturers using more of this in planes what they are doing to recycle it??

@ichoppabroccoli3670

2 жыл бұрын

Me also!

Building little bridges and fences out of the stuff is cute but it is unrealistic to think that pet projects like those will take care of the industrial scale of used turbine blades.

@freddymeischer2219

2 жыл бұрын

Got that right,this "green"energy isn't so green

@TimmmmCam

2 жыл бұрын

I reckon there is a big enough market for things like temporary buildings made from whatever (e.g. the tents that company is using). The biggest issue is that they're a really awkward shape, and they're all slightly *different* shapes. You can't scale up reuse if you have to redesign your building for 100 different shapes of turbine blade.

@chevychase3103

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like they might work for sound barrier walls along the interstates

@benallen2942

2 жыл бұрын

Just smile and nod, enjoy the koolaid, and keep using words like "green", "clean", and "renewable." The truth is too much reading anyways.

@GlennDavey

2 жыл бұрын

The artists who do these things have very little understanding of industrial scale and way way over-inflated view of their own significance in the world. You gotta be to think the world needs your art, right?

I have worked in a glass fibre industry and you DO NOT want to be near when it is cut or ground. Breathing micro glass fibres into your lungs is a DEATH sentence.

@mistyhill3666

5 ай бұрын

We have a new company that has moved next door to our home. We are getting a larger amount of fiberglass on us our pets and our livestock. We are very concerned about our health and well being. We are trying to get them stop and are having a hard time! They are working without permits as we speak and still no one has stopped them!

@PiLLO360

4 ай бұрын

@@mistyhill3666call the city or the state

@Nomadcreations

2 ай бұрын

So True, ... I worked with the stuff in the old School/non-osha Body Shop.

“Blades need to be changed every 20 years” Also “These are 8-12 years old”

@TaxPayingContributor

2 жыл бұрын

The facts are rage worthy. Evil is very comfortable to even those close to you

@johnviera3884

2 жыл бұрын

No it’s called government back door kick backs screwing the tax payers.

@mr.wizeguy8995

2 жыл бұрын

Goes hand to hand with electric car aka lots of waste and not environmental at all if you look big picture.

@arfarfarf256

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that. Max lifespan of 20 yrs, do newer model blades last longer, or were those in worse weather conditions?

@arfarfarf256

2 жыл бұрын

@@TaxPayingContributor I'm guessing you rage about a lot of random things, lol.

Here I was thinking that they kinda mulched up the blades and mixed it into concrete .... Not burning it 😅

@juniorlsdmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Me too...bummer.

@PeteRoe

2 жыл бұрын

What dose any of this have to do with concrete at all? Any coal powered factory could use this plastic filled bullshit.

@hardrays

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeteRoe im going to have to guess its because people dont stick around to hear what they are doing with their millings. a lot of people will have watched to the boring part and never got to hear that the final disposition of the material is burning. people are walking away from this video thinking its used as aggregate. that is one of the angles of this propaganda. the other is a call from the industry to appeal to the masses in search of better alternatives because their arent a lot of creative people working in the waste industry - usually a good thing.

@colliswilliams8992

2 жыл бұрын

Being mulched up by equipment that runs on diesel fuel.

@EndlessDelusion

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeteRoe I work with biomass boilers and plastics and resins absolutely ruins the inside of the boilers and covers it in burned plastic that's near impossible to remove so it's not just as simple as dump and burn without ruining your burning area unless you pay to modify it or the process. There are actually blower fans that need clean passageways as well as grates that let air circulate and plastics just burn and gum them up and stopping to repair is such a ball ache.

"They have to replaced about every 20 years." Except they are replaced significantly more often than that.

@LaughingMan44

11 ай бұрын

20 years is the best-case scenario in ideal conditions, it's an absolute farce

@HH-le1vi

11 ай бұрын

20 years is best case scenario. Usually lightning or birds or extreme winds cause them to break sooner

@matthiasknutzen6061

10 ай бұрын

Source

@CircularSolar1

9 ай бұрын

True 20 years appears to be best case. It needs a permanent second life use.

@LaughingMan44

9 ай бұрын

@@CircularSolar1 Or how about instead wait till the technology is mature enough to be economically and environmentally sustainable. We will also never be in a position to replace coal and nuclear with solar and wind, it would require massive battery banks and A: that's very hazardous, B: there isn't enough of the elements and compounds needed on the planet and C: terrible for the environment. Instead the sensible route would be to leave solar and wind for small-scale, niche applications, make our use of fossil fuels clean and efficient as possible, restore habitats across the world instead of paving them over to house ever increasing numbers of people, and massively invest in nuclear to make it safe and sustainable as possible, and other alternative energy sources.

Imagine the carbon footprint of making it, shipping it, installing it, maintenance, removal, transferring it to the recycling plant and burning it.

@Conserpov

Жыл бұрын

Burning fiberglass instead of e.g. using it as construction material filler seems extra ludicrous.

@markknox182

Жыл бұрын

Green energy ! Lol

@biggerminds523

Жыл бұрын

And nuclear? how say is that to recycle? or oil, or coal? Have you seen what mines and drilling for oil does to the land?

@Conserpov

Жыл бұрын

@@biggerminds523 Two new-gen reactors that are 100 times more efficient (long-term) and are completely clean were launched recently. But you won't hear that in the "news".

@aaronkcmo

Жыл бұрын

@@Conserpov using it as filler in construction material is pretty ludicrous.

I drove up the San Fernando valley 18 months ago and passed by dozens of wind farms. I was shocked to see about a fifth of the turbines visibly broken. Blades missing, heads bowed, etc... and additionally up to a third of the total turbines were not turning. There doesn't seem to be any maintenance at all going on.

@theman4884

2 жыл бұрын

Where I used to work there were three wind turbines. Very very rarely were all three turning. About half the time only one was turning and the other half of the time two were turning.

@AyoItsAntony

2 жыл бұрын

@Oliver Twist amen

@jonathantan2469

2 жыл бұрын

Wind turbines may be left 'dead' or mothballed for a variety of reasons. Usually, the company determines that repairing it or further maintenence is more costly than the projected revenue they can get from the remaining expected life of the turbine. Another is that the company that manufactures them has gone out of business, or exited the sector. Or the model is obsolete & replacement parts are very hard to source.

@shaidyn8278

2 жыл бұрын

I can only imagine that certain companies get subsidies or investors who are willing to pay them to set up the turbines, but there's no money in maintaining them.

@theman4884

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaidyn8278 Setting them up provides a photo-op and a chance for "positive" sound bites. Maintenance does not do that.

Wind turbine blades being 1/8 of all plastic waste seems very significant to me. I favor nuclear.

@sladewilson9273

2 жыл бұрын

That's not exactly what they said.

@sladewilson9273

2 жыл бұрын

@@zbaby82 there are already plenty of systems in place for removal, containment, and storage of waste in strict manner. Reality is every form of energy production has different forms of waste/ hazards and different stages and efficiency.

@thosoz3431

Жыл бұрын

Google ' Chernobyl birth defects images' and get back to me.

@davidwilhelm7466

Жыл бұрын

Have you heard of nuclear waste? Turbine blades are a menace, but they won't kill you.

@tanmaysingh267

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidwilhelm7466nuclear waste problem was solved in the 50's

Use it for the production of stone matrix asphalt that our high traffic interstates are paved with, which uses "cellulose fibers" specifically made to add during production to prevent the drain down of liquid asphalt through the open graded aggregate structure of the mix. The added fibers offer no structural advantages other than keeping the liquid asphalt suspended in the mix until it cools. The shredded fibers of these blades may offer the same useful purpose.

A 100% petroleum-based process. Good job!

I love how they measured the blade in school buses rather than in meters

@OttoByOgraffey

2 жыл бұрын

How about in yards?

@teamzoey3923

2 жыл бұрын

he miss da chance to say its a "wind wind" in da end

@seetheanimal5867

2 жыл бұрын

Are you all like that void of purpose and spark find interest in that. Scary AF to see the fall of men to what you are

@stewatparkpark2933

2 жыл бұрын

They treat people as if they are idiots because most of them are .

@anythingroam2423

2 жыл бұрын

Proof that Americans will use anything but the metric system for measurement.

Made from fiberglass, but the guy cutting them up isn't even using a mask. That's crazy

@seetheanimal5867

2 жыл бұрын

Humanity is dumb squared

@crowbirdryuell

2 жыл бұрын

Be grateful for what you have

@peteralthoff6920

2 жыл бұрын

Fiberglas and 150 kubikmeter Balsa wood per blade. For this to grow tropical primeval forest is cut down and to build the turbines they clear large areas of forest here with us. But hey it's green energy

@DadSmith

2 жыл бұрын

@Crypto Arnold You're whole outlook is more toxic than the fumes. Weird flex too.

@lowrider94ss

2 жыл бұрын

They were using a wet saw. did u notice the water hose that is connected to the saw, and the lack of dust?

I wonder if the ground up blades can be used for insulation for buildings. Or if there is a way to strip the resin off the fiberglass and wood. I have heard that fiberglass boats used to have gas tanks made of fiberglass. Over time, the gasoline, a solvent, would break down the fiberglass and clog up the fuel lines. If the blade can be taken apart, then the materials can be used somewhere else.

I honestly have mixed feelings about this because while it might get wind turbines away from landfills, it still wouldn’t do anything to reduce emissions in my opinion

@neilreynolds3858

Жыл бұрын

Green energy doesn't. It moves the sources of pollution to other industries.

@BumboLooks

10 ай бұрын

It's impossible to reduce emissions. You would need to remove all life and volcano's on Earth in order to reach zero emissions.

The solution is to design the blades, initially, with the intent to recycle. The manufacturing process should be dictated by the ability to disassemble the blades to maximize the individual material recyclability.

@georgiosyiannakou5537

2 жыл бұрын

True, sustainability is a misused term. We need to consider a circular economy where engineering components at the end of service can either be decomposed or used elsewhere.

@Spokenwisdom1

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgiosyiannakou5537 It's as simple as that. Until then, whomever is able to capitalize on waste products will thrive abundantly.

@Atite_Lometen

2 жыл бұрын

And just gonna put up the bill, is all about profits, wind turbine is the dumbest clean energy solution that is not really a solution

@stanknight9159

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking of a solution is easier than to implement it.

@HKy0uma

2 жыл бұрын

@Man sky Source?

It seems to me the best solution would be to cut the blades up into roofing tiles for the flat areas and the curved sections as capping tiles.

@jbbuzzable

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting possible application. There has to be some great applications for reuse of these extremely strong items.

@tioswift3676

2 жыл бұрын

Would you put 20+ year old, used, end of life material on your roof?

@DaveKing19836

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, instead of trying to recycle them repurpose them

@jbbuzzable

2 жыл бұрын

@@tioswift3676 Why not? We have no problem using billion year old rocks or 100 year old lumber.

@DaveKing19836

2 жыл бұрын

@@tioswift3676 why not, technically tar is millions of years old isn't it?

If only there was a source of power that didn’t have this problem

What about heating the epoxy and repressing it into rebar or profiles? It should keep the fiber structure.

The company needs to make the _first pass_ crusher machine portable so they can bring it to the turbine site. Transporting intact sections of blade is incredibly inefficient.

@happyblt624

2 жыл бұрын

no that wont happen for a couple of reasons

@birchthebirch4593

2 жыл бұрын

@@happyblt624 are you going to elaborate or ....?

@happyblt624

2 жыл бұрын

@@birchthebirch4593 when i feel like it

@timhinchcliffe5372

2 жыл бұрын

@@happyblt624 like what? I have experience in the trucking and waste disposal industries and can't see why not.

@happyblt624

2 жыл бұрын

@@timhinchcliffe5372 most of all costs, huge upfront & upkeep costs which will deter companies, trucking is just easier, doesnt take as long to build, not as complex, and covid is not a good reason

It's durable wood and fibreglas. Can't you press that shredded stuff with some bonding material into bricks or any other shape for that matter?

@4evertrue830

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@fynkozari9271

2 жыл бұрын

My plan is to destroy the earth for the next generations, our children and grand children. More waste like wind turbine so next generation will suffer.

@Infinitynous-gg6vs

2 жыл бұрын

@@fynkozari9271 good luck with that no way you could do it alone though

@fynkozari9271

2 жыл бұрын

@@Infinitynous-gg6vs actually im not using air conditioner or cars or littering plastic. Only electricity to power PC, smartphone. Im not contributing greenhouse gas for climate change.

@Gappys5thTesticle

2 жыл бұрын

@@fynkozari9271 hah, nerd

Nothing says green like wind turbine blades burning in the morning!

Did you note that none of the uses those de-commissioned and cut-up blades are put to involves any real load-bearing? I think that's due to structural weakening by de-lamination (flexing) and pitting (birdstrikes, hail, dust, salt particles). If so, there really isn't much use for them. A boat hull for instance really mustn't have holes or cracks in it. A bridge should be short and not very far off the ground.

@ehombane

11 ай бұрын

Yep, but for fencing the material is perfect. Or for walking paths, even for roofing. Just cut the appropriate length and width. I am sure that farmers will appreciate these free planks. But everybody is for profit, and the cost of disposal was not considered from the beginning. So if they cut into planks, then they want profit, and obviously farmers will prefer traditional material that do not come with inerrant issues of as recycled material.

"can making cement this way really reduce emissions?" i think the real question is what in the name of all that is real are we supposed to do with the turbine blades that doesn't involve mulching them? they are made from composit materials that are nearly impossible to re-use and the few ways it can be done are so energy intensive it's a silly choice and the only other alternative is to just let them lie there in a pile doing nothing but take up space

@tinderella2386

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. And as the guy said until there’s an actual demand for the scale of used blades from other sources, which there won’t be, that shredding them is the best option

@ApexOfThrottle

2 жыл бұрын

id build a deck out of them, probably pretty weather resistant

@deezelfairy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ApexOfThrottle how are you going to make a deck out of them? 🤣 There's not a single flat surface on them.

@johndoyle4723

2 жыл бұрын

Well the shredded material produces less emissions than the coal it replaces in the cement kiln, less SOx and less NOx. The shreds are low ash compared with coal, and allow other ash type wastes to be used in the cement process to replace the coal ash. If we want to continue using cement, then we should make it in the most efficient, and least polluting manner possible, so it makes sense to use the blades as fuel. Yes, I know the fuel burning CO2 emissions are very small compared with the calcination of the limestone. Second life projects are fun, but way too limited to tackle the problem. And no, I do not work for a cement co.

@sergeyn.syritsyn6748

2 жыл бұрын

@@Elemblue2 a very good idea. Rip them along the blade, laminate into rectangular or I-beams. No rot, no sag. No drying and distortion. They will be quite flammable though. I doubt it would be cheaper than 2x4x8' at $5, but quite possible for longer/wider boards

Are we seriously being told that 48 million tonnes of non recyclable toxic waste a year is okay because it only accounts for 1/8th of plastic “waste” which is perfectly recyclable?

@joaomoraes9323

2 жыл бұрын

It's not that it's ok, it's just far from being the big bad some people might want to see it as

@f.m.1898

2 жыл бұрын

@@joaomoraes9323 it’s 12.5% of plastic waste. and the only thing we can realistically do is grind it up (a lot of energy consumption) and somehow that’s okay? plastic straws are only 3% of plastic waste and we banned them….no sense, all a political agenda

@barneystinson2781

2 жыл бұрын

@@f.m.1898 stupid people banned plastic straws. No restaurant I eat at gives me a paper straw

@jncc1701

2 жыл бұрын

@@f.m.1898 come on to the light friend…come on to the light.

@DanielHodgson

2 жыл бұрын

Plastic straws cause ecological damage due to a combination of both their material (making them long lasting), as well as their shape (easily lodged inside of living organisms). There's still some hypocrisy here to be sure, but the reasons for banning straws are not directly equatable to arguments for banning turbine blades. As for plastic being perfectly recyclable.... that's far from the truth. We should really be focusing on greatly reducing our plastic production across the board if anything. With *that* said, many green technologies rely on high performance materials, and composites are some of the highest performing materials we have. All of these problems are related and none of them are easy or simple to solve.

This is a good truthful story, I wish everyone would watch it.

Bus stops and bike sheds etc is great . Its perfect roofing for many requirements

How much energy is being used to do this? What is the fuel costs to disassemble, and transport the blades to the landfill or disposal point?

@notme9976

11 ай бұрын

for 8 years of intermittent production? Astronomical.

@1Ministras

11 ай бұрын

As opposed to what? Natural gas, coal?

Common error made with this : Recycling is making new products from the same materials like making aluminium cans from scrap aluminium. Upcycling is making something from a lesser material like making a handbag out of scrap piecies of fabric and downcycling , that is using a more expensive material to replace something that has less value, like grinding down old windturbine blades into a fine granulate and use it as a building material in cement or filler in glue’s . That turbine blades are not recyclable does not mean we cant do anything with them. It is a problem that the old turbine blades are mostly in area’s where transporting them back for reuse has so much costs it is cleaner just to landfill them as transport and processing them are not clean, once transport is also clean by using 100% green energy they can dig the blades up and still process them for other uses.

@jthadcast

2 жыл бұрын

we chase the hope and ignore the true accounting. we don't have the technology and don't fund research that interferes with the economic imperative of consumer capitalism

@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916

2 жыл бұрын

@@jthadcast see above comment

@stedmaster

2 жыл бұрын

When you think about it, everything we do is recycling, even burning fossil fuels or using landfills, it will become a tar pit or crude oil at somepoint in time. Haha

@vihreelinja4743

2 жыл бұрын

nah. some day it will be some sort of mineral deep underground.

@dave-yj9mc

2 жыл бұрын

Did you even watch the video.... they grind up the blades and BURN them to make cement.

Just recently saw you tube video where cargo ships are researching using hardened sails to save fuel cost. The sails looked verily similar to wind turbine blades.

I would cut the blades into segments of uniform size and use them as structural supports for low cost utility buildings. This would seem to be a decent way to repurpose them and get extra decades of use out of them without having to grind them up.

Another example of how all this "green energy" solutions aren't green as much as they say. One has to think the entire solution all the way through. Are we just creating more pollution trying to avoid pollution? Creating more green house gas trying to avoid it? I was shocked to hear they were replacing blades only 8 to 12 years old! Not only that but wind power is only affective when the wind blows. In my opinion, they have become a blight on the landscape for what little they produce.

@wymonwatson1309

2 жыл бұрын

You should see how lithium is mined, and how its nearly impossible to dispose of, the whole green thing is a scam.

@ianc435

2 жыл бұрын

They are being recycled. That are added to concrete as a strength modifier.

@ianc435

2 жыл бұрын

@@wymonwatson1309 until it’s not.

@wymonwatson1309

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianc435 Maybe do a little research, especially about co2. The green/man made climate change scam is a total grift.

@lawrencet83

2 жыл бұрын

@@wymonwatson1309 They won't. The facts will conflict with their biased narrative.

Still the same problem: It costs way cheaper to landfill them money money money

@fynkozari9271

2 жыл бұрын

Money money money mooooney, money. Trump show. Im not his supporter.

@syasyaishavingfun

2 жыл бұрын

I think in another 100 years when everything is used up it will be economical for things to be made out of trash.

@guamazolopez6456

2 жыл бұрын

Thats how the economy in any system works

@horris773

2 жыл бұрын

A system narrowly focused on short term profits is obviously a fail, yes, we all see that.

@magnusE7

2 жыл бұрын

That is why USA needs to up the cost for landfills and make companies pay for recycling. In my country you only pays for the pick up of the recycling bin not the contents of the bin. You can even go to the recycling centre for free and leave recyclable materials.

There should be a requirement that before anything is created, there should be a complete recycling plan that needs to be signed off on.

@old-pete

2 ай бұрын

Other countries have done that.

We are right now cutting down old wind turbines for reuse in architecture :-) They are being used for our 20 stories wooden building in Denmark right now!

It would be helpful to know exactly how much energy is required to turn the blades into burnable mulch + the energy required to make each blade. Last but not least how much "GREEN" energy that blade produced during it's useful lifespan. Then with simple math we could see exactly how green each blade is or is not.

@eugenetswong

2 жыл бұрын

Also, how much energy could it produce in an ideal lifespan? Also how much does it cost to remove the infrastructure, when don't want it anymore, like the turbine's foundation?

@onegoodtech4all751

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, considering these things have to be changed so frequently and are difficult to get rid of in a environmentally way they should either make them out of different longer lasting materials or stop making them all together.

@ajstyles5704

2 жыл бұрын

@@onegoodtech4all751 I work in recycling industry, no, stopping making it all together increases energy resources.

@ajstyles5704

2 жыл бұрын

@@eugenetswong There is nothing in this world that is cheaper than natural resources. We need to find bio solutions, period. Anything you build, metal, aluminium, brass, whatever, degrades over time, it costs way more. I have worked in recycling industry, my dad as well. Hydroelectric is the best option in the world with the least pollution created. Bio energy is what we need, something that can be used like gas, put in tank, deliver, done. The first one to do that, would be a trillionaire. Because all we are doing now, is putting a filter, but the demands would only go up, and more filters require more materials burning more resources. Other than bio energy, it’s only delaying, because the only infrastructure that does it with minimum effect, is Hydroelectric, dams. The funny thing is, why is only China spending billions on this two research while everyone else try to implement these half ass back up plans?

@jerwin2804

2 жыл бұрын

There is way too much sense and independent thought in this comment thread. You guys need to stop thinking and just believe what you're told. 🤣

Thermoset plastics like Epoxies and Polyesters are nearly impossible to "recycle" by melting. During the curing cycle, the ingredients chemically change into the finished plastic. Design for disassembly is the closest you will get!

@franksmith3602

2 жыл бұрын

Harold , I'll replay to your thoughts. And add a couple. Your right about the chemicals used. Filber glass should never be ground up. This is what we learned in a MEGA humen screw up. ( black trash bags 1970s , biodegradable) Everybody jumped up and down. Land fills would now break down trash faster. Before black trash bags lasted a 1000 years. ( note the 1000 year black trash bag if we keep USEING it would have saved 10s of millions of lives. See the HUMEN race is drinking water from deep well. Guess what. 3 main plasticizers used to make degradable trash bags. Breaks down, then leaches in to the ground water. 1 molecule at a time. 600 feet below earths surfaces. BILLIONS Of plastizer molecules, gather like big blobs of crap. They 100% float on top of the water, deep rivers, ect ect, they line the tops of caverns that for a million years, have been keep clean. Pure pure drink water. Humens drill the wells. The well heads go thru the toxic crap. Then they suck it up. And humens drink it. Pretty dame wild. At HEFTY trash bags, 70s.... no one cared I walked out and quit. Started bottle water COMPANYS with reengineered H2O.

@phillycheesetake

2 жыл бұрын

"Design for disassembly" Makes the blades worse at their job

@haroldhenderson2824

2 жыл бұрын

@@phillycheesetake Depends on the design. They WILL be heavier, but that isn't always a "bad thing".

@phillycheesetake

2 жыл бұрын

@@haroldhenderson2824 Heavier actually is a bad thing when what you're talking about spins on top of a large column.

@pinksylvievgc4196

2 жыл бұрын

@@phillycheesetake some wind blade producers are working on resins that when exposed to specific chemicals and heat will decompose the resin, which would leave just the fiberglass and balsa/core. much easier to recycle that way.

Once shredded down as shown, could this material be used to mix with clay to make bricks, mixed with concrete for building bricks/blocks or mixed to build roads and surfacing?

@old-pete

11 ай бұрын

Yes, but they would be worse and one would distribute resin and plastic remains in the enviroment.

@greentriumph1643

11 ай бұрын

I think that it is a good idea. When they said they sent it to the cement plant I thought they were going to use it for fiber reinforced concrete.

Very green and healthy burning fiberglass!!

If they made it easier for the average person to get hold of them then I'm sure they would get a lot of re use in second projects.

@lukasvondaheim

2 жыл бұрын

Cut out two sheets from a turbine and you could use them as a roof for a shed or similar as example

@edsnotgod

2 жыл бұрын

Guaranteed none of it would wind up dumped by the side of the road no way

I'm always amazed on how much resources are on this planet. The way people explain waste and the way we use things. Youd think it would be gone long ago

@seetheanimal5867

2 жыл бұрын

It’s both more forgiving and far less forgiving than people think. Resource squandering or not, humans are failing the exam

@madshorn5826

2 жыл бұрын

We humans have a problem with big numbers, scale and changing our thinking. Sadly it cut both ways: We can't wrap our heads around running up against physical limits and when we _do_ run our collective heads against a wall, we can't imagine the transition needed to mitigate the problem. That is why we need to listen to experts trained to handle scale and big numbers. We can still prevent the worst of the climate crisis and an ecological collapse, but we have to get our sh*t together asap. Yes, it will be different. No, different doesn't equate "bad".

@seetheanimal5867

2 жыл бұрын

@@madshorn5826 those experts are as bad as u bro… so u r how the slo norms view things. Would you like willingly give up your vote

@madshorn5826

2 жыл бұрын

@@seetheanimal5867 You have a foggy notion of democracy I see :-) There are things we can vote about and things we can't. We can't vote about science. We can vote for providing resources to a variety of different scientists, but we can buy a result we like, no matter how much money we plow into a research field. If we could, don't you think the fossil fuel industry would have sponsored some solid science by now? :-) Suppressing results you don't like is not democracy, it's criminal. Politics starts when the scientific consensus is reached. We can't cling on to outdated petrol cars - _unless_ our stated goal is the end of a human friendly climate and a 100 million climate refugees. We can vote about whether we change tech or accept going to hell in a handbasket, but we can't vote about whether the science is accurate. That's what I mean when I say "listen to the experts". As does everyone else who knows the first thing about reality.

@seetheanimal5867

2 жыл бұрын

@@madshorn5826 oh wow u r lost, and speaking about fake #’s and speaking of science when u have no concept of the process and purpose of science… U should consider willingly giving up ur right to vote for the common good

Id love to see the log term effects of a power plant vs wind turbines on the environment....

@old-pete

11 ай бұрын

Depends on the power plant. Wind turbines produce a lot less waste than coal power plants and can be easiliy removed compared to most other power plants.

@TimeforchangeTrudeaumustgoEndb

11 ай бұрын

@old-pete yes I'm talking long term investment look at the environmental effects of the blades take that into consideration.

@old-pete

11 ай бұрын

@@TimeforchangeTrudeaumustgoEndb I am talking about long term effects. The enviromental effect of the blades depends on the country. Not all countries allow landfill disposal.

@marvinvogtde

11 ай бұрын

after the complete lifetime cycle wind turbines are one of the most green forms of energy we have, they produce about 1/100 of the carbon a coal power plant.

Couldn't companies get their "raw material" (from the landfills) to use as the building materials for the items you showed being repurposed? Instead of starting form scratch, the blades provide material & structure from which to build the bike shelters, for example. Is it legal or terribly expensive overall for the re-purposers to get access to the stuff from the companies?

Every time someone brings up the problems with renewables as if they’re an insurmountable obstacle, a nuclear engineer dies inside.

@pseudonayme7717

2 жыл бұрын

Or outside, if that's where he happens to be 😛

@e.turduckeny630

2 жыл бұрын

It's rather annoying that people expect solutions to be perfect at the offset and if they aren't it's, "Oh well, this has some downsides so...let's give up."

@jamesharding3459

2 жыл бұрын

@@e.turduckeny630 Well, of course renewables have issues. But nuclear is safe, clean, and reliable, and can easily replace fossil fuels for as long as it takes to make renewables practical.

@e.turduckeny630

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesharding3459 Yes, sorry if my tone made it seem I was anti-nuclear. More that I've seen a a growing trend in some people I know that see the issues with renewables and immediately discount the idea of all renewables. As if anything other than a perfect solution means we should just give up and preserve the status queue of fossil fuels with no deviation. I want to scream, "Do you understand how innovation works?"

"Until recently, wind turbine blades were nearly impossible to recycle." Guess what, burning them isn't recycling either.

@hardrays

2 жыл бұрын

i can help you burn your own trash. also, i can help your neighbor burn their trash.

@framwinkle

2 жыл бұрын

Burning is the ultimate recycling, because you're reducing it to its component atoms, and returning them to the environment. It's essentially the same process that happens in a landfill, just much faster.

@deezelfairy

2 жыл бұрын

It is if your using them in a process that currently has to have a fuel combusted as part of the process - far better to use a waste product as fuel than extracting/mining/transporting new fuel sources - such as fossil fuels.

@andrewday3206

2 жыл бұрын

The result: a 27% reduction in CO2 emissions and a 13% reduction in water consumption. A single wind turbine blade that weighs 7 US tons recycled through this process enables the cement kiln to avoid consuming nearly 5 tons of coal, 2.7 tons of silica, 1.9 tons of limestone, and nearly a ton of additional mineral-based raw materials.

@pugdad2555

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewday3206 but do companies actually do that? Because they can do this, and still burn the same about of fossil fuel as before.

Addressing this 8% issue is the point. Looking at it from every angle and coming up with solutions is our direction.

*Since the 70s, hundreds of millions of tons (!) of glass fiber reinforced plastic have been used for pipes, car body parts, stadium roof, building covering, boat huls etc.* The wind turbine rotors have so far accounted for less than 0.0x% of this! In Europe, larger pieces of glass fiber reinforced plast are mostly collected and then used as heating material in cement factories.

Never cease to amaze me how we invent these things and not think about what to do with them after their end of life run.. This should have beeen thought out at the time making a so-called green technology.

@noelleonard2498

2 жыл бұрын

Its all just bait and switch

@LiEnby

2 жыл бұрын

Wind turbines were not created to decrease carbon footprint, they were created to maximize profit .. developing it in a way that means u can reuse it after the fact is more money, and god forbid someone find a way to use there old ones instead of buying new ones, well that's even less money for us!!! You see the problem ?

“One man’s ‘junk’ is another man’s treasure” I don’t think that’s how the cliché goes 😅😂😂

@rogerm3708

2 жыл бұрын

I find it hard to throw anything away unless it takes up needed space. I have kept stuff for over 20 years and found a use for it

@JLXT7

2 жыл бұрын

@ 🤡

@theobserver9131

2 жыл бұрын

Certainly true for some men! :D

@jerlee620

2 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver9131 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

I wonder where the worn out blades of offshore turbines end up?

Looks like a great beach stabilization material, cut them up perpendicular to the long axis and plant in ground and back-fill.

I would have liked to see a comparison of the waste produced by the turbine blades, and the waste saved by using wind energy rather than other methods

@gmarie701

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, like the three pounds of re-usable (like the French do, but the left outlawed here in the US) nuclear waste from producing more energy than ten wind mills over thirty years? That waste? Nah, you don't want that to be shown.

@Ova-bv4os

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmarie701 I should have said "rather than fossil fuel methods" Nuclear, on paper, is the cleanest and most sustainable source we will likely ever find

@truechaosmulala3831

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmarie701 aren’t left pro renewable right pro fossil fuel?

@swayback7375

2 жыл бұрын

Ppl got scared of nuclear for some reason 🙄 To be fair, the old facilities weren’t great hence the meltdowns but new nuclear is completely different. One big problem is maintenance… the US isn’t great at that or staying on top of things. Sucks that our universe is full of energy but we been in an energy crisis for decades

@ockamrazor477

2 жыл бұрын

There was a wind spill in your backyard and you didn't cancel a the BBQ.

Use them for sound barriers along highways - they make a nice backing for graffiti.

@theobserver9131

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought....minus the graffiti... :D

@chronovortex6495

2 жыл бұрын

@@moltoniron633 what would be the advantage of that over just burning it? You're still releasing gasses into the atmosphere and the cost of bringing it to space is a lot

@axelfoley1406

2 жыл бұрын

@@moltoniron633 Launch them? Rocket fuel is expensive! Besides, Earth's orbit is FULL of dangerous debris already. As much as I enjoy reading about space, satellites and exploration, we really trashed our orbit, lol. When you get a chance, take a look yourself.

@chadfren

2 жыл бұрын

or instead of littering, we can arrest criminals and not be afraid to be called racist

@sandozdelysid

2 жыл бұрын

I like turtles

UK we are reclaiming the long fibres in the grp and reusing it . The polymers used to make the original are isolated and processed into base materials for other coatings . This , as you say is a massive problem but also a massive business opportunity . The chemical companies are all over it - don’t panic 😊

to make, install, maintain one blade cost about 154,000 bucks. A windmill needs 80 gallons of oil, which needs to be changed yearly. so much for "green" energy

Can the shredded material be glued together to some kind of triply wood sheets or like durok sheets for construction purposes?

@dravmtp385

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine if it was mixed together with something similar to expanding foam then a reasonably sturdy, light weight brick could be formed. These could be used for temporary structures, as the bricks could just be shredded afterwards and reformed again. I'd guess they would also work well for insulation or soundproofing.

@jwm6314

2 жыл бұрын

...can we just stop pretending that wind is viable? Makes a hell of a lot more sense.

@gaarakabuto1

2 жыл бұрын

This video is not quite informative,if not misleading. US wind turbines even though somewhat commercially competitive, they are definitely not the first option when you want highly competitive wind turbines you definitely take a look at the Scandinavian countries as well as the Netherlands Finland and slightly Germany and Japan. Most of the technological leading companies on each of these countries has a run and going recycling program for their constructions. Now keep in mind that when someone installs a wind turbine park he has to pay on the initial price the suggested recycling program that the company he chose is offering,every company is obligated to sell wind turbines with a recycling program. Now what the video fails to mention is that the problem is not if wind turbines are recyclable but how sustainable the recycling is, which yes a lot of times the recycling of wind turbines is effective only when high demand of what they can recycle them to is in existence. So far they are recycled into a huge variety of low quality construction materials, high end construction materials for products like cars, noise cancellation panels and many many more,but the most effective recycling is the one that has consists of the least possible process and the least possible cost, that's why the park and the bike stant was so effective. The only legit problem of wind turbines as a mean of energy production is the installation process and the de-installation process, which a lot of the times it is the most expensive part of their lifespan, the most harmful to the environment and the toughest part to plan and deal with.

@garthwright4064

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwm6314 Lol, you're probably running your computer off electricity partially generated by wind right now, Luddite.

@Jake_Hynds

2 жыл бұрын

@@garthwright4064 water and sun is much more common and practical, I live in British columbia and all of our power for the most part comes from hydroelectricity. that man has a point wind is not really the way to go if it produces all this crap with it

Has anyone counted the energy consumed during the lifecycle start to end against the yield the turbine made?

@enricojaun2880

2 жыл бұрын

Why? If we did that it wouldn't fit the leftist diatribe of saving the planet.

@jhhggygghchdlfyggxzgdltfugc

11 ай бұрын

Yes, lots of times. You can google it using 'net lifecycle carbon per kWh' for various sources of electricity. Wind is about one hundredth the amount per kWh that coal produces, and about a fiftieth of that produced by natural gas per kWh. It's also a quarter of solar. It's about the same as nuclear, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, depending on the specific type of reactor and location of the wind turbines.

@jagmarc

11 ай бұрын

@@jhhggygghchdlfyggxzgdltfugc I just tried that and got millions of search results, each was just a clone of the same source and when find another fresh source doesn't corroborate inconsistent and don't seem to include the full life cycle cradle-to-grave carbon used like mining for msterials construction maintenance etc etc etc

@JONNYCABANI

11 ай бұрын

None of the enviro math is accurate and it usually comes from some scam source.

@jhhggygghchdlfyggxzgdltfugc

11 ай бұрын

@@jagmarc The first result I clicked on had about 20 links in the references to peer reviewed papers, respected international journals, ngos etc. Try using a different search engine, maybe your results are being influenced by the sort of thing you usually search for. (Luddite nonsense and for-profit anti science propaganda, apparently.) Slight variations in results are normal and expected; that can't explain 100x difference in the figures from multiple sources. There's no credible science supporting the speculation that wind is worse than fossils for carbon. That's entirely made up, with no supporting evidence.

Any one of man's solution creates at least one new problem. Usually the ramifications are a ripple effect that cannot possibly be measured.

The glass fiber released into the air during the crushing would rival asbestos as a health concern. When you see the fiberglass dust in the sunlight it has a beautiful glint?

Any product that any company every makes should have a recycling plan thought out before the product is distributed. That is the company that makes the product's responsibility.

@Drakoman07

2 жыл бұрын

Surprisingly, as the video says, GE is the one paying Veolia to recycle these blades. Definitely agreed, however. Just wish that there was an international solution.

@AquaStockYT

2 жыл бұрын

So you want to live in a world owned by three corpos got it

@sdubs

2 жыл бұрын

@@AquaStockYT no, i don't know what you're talking about and how you came to that conclusion, but it's possibly because you misunderstood what i said, which if you did, you must be somewhat uneducated.

@tf7274

2 жыл бұрын

Anything can be recycled... whether it's profitable is another thing...

@thatguy1919

2 жыл бұрын

@@tf7274 Exactly, no one talks about that because it’s all about money and nothing about sustainability.

I really think they need to re-think how they are made in the first place. Why can't they be built to last 50-60, maybe 100 years? Doing that would make wind turbines a cheaper source of electricity. Something that costs 3 to 4 million should last more than 10 years.

@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou

2 жыл бұрын

Solar panels are the same issue

@scrapcash2421

2 жыл бұрын

You can't make fibergalss last 50 years. It's actully very fragile. Even a birdstrike could take out a whole windmill by cracking the blade. Fiberglass is very high maintenance. Just look at how much goes into boats!! Windmills are to big to be made of any other material that would have the strength, without the weight. Plus the cost ratio would be skyhigh made out of metal or any other product. Windmills are not the answer!!

@madshorn5826

2 жыл бұрын

@@scrapcash2421 Windmills absolutely is a big part of the answer :-) While fiberglass is currently the only material strong enough this will change when R&D gets funding on par with the obsolete and failing nuclear industry. Some day we'll crack how to make cheap carbon fiber sheets or new materials will appear. Recycling is slowly happening today and will take off tomorrow. Still no comparison with dismantling nuclear power plants and recycling used tires. If processed blades can be burnt in the cement industry, surely they can be used for energy production too. All it takes is regulation to prevent dumping used blades in a landfill. This will add to the cost of new turbines, but this will not be a serious problem with wind turbines being way cheaper to install than fossil fuel and nuclear capacity. And before you start the talking point about wind being intermittent: we have flow batteries and liquid metal batteries up and running. We just need to scale up from here. Search for 'Ambri' here on KZread.

@madshorn5826

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnemonLaut50 There is nothing wrong with wood, it just isn't strong enough. For small turbines you can use wood just fine, but small turbine means small energy production. When you double the radius of the blades you quadruple the area swept by the blades and therefore you get four times the energy. (It is simple math : _Area = pi × radius²_ :-) On the other hand the materials needed for a generator scale linearly, so the bigger the turbine the better the economy. The newest (and biggest) turbines right now produce north of 7 MW. When you make the blades longer you run into bigger forces though Remember the merry-go-round on the playground? When you leaned away from the axis the strain on your arms got bigger. The strain of a 70 m rotating blade is enormous and currently fiberglass is the only (cheap) material strong enough. Fun fact: The top rotational speed is limited by the need for the tip of the blades to move well below the speed of sound, lest we'd have a continuous sonic boom from the wind turbines :-) The speed of sound is just 340 m/s so 100 m blades have to spin less than twice per second because _Circumference = 2 × pi × radius_ In practice the rotation speed is a lot slower as the real cap on rotation speed is the forces on the blades :-)

@madshorn5826

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnemonLaut50 🙂👍 Underline "other material". Metals aren't strong enough or cheap enough :-) Edit: A lot of metals "creep" under stress, just like caramel. Try tugging at a warm caramel ;-) Long lived would be nice, but "easily recycled" would fit the bill too :-)

How about making a fiber board (sheet goods) that can be used as a material to build houses.

3:02 if they aren’t using coal to heat kilns then what are they using?

Seems like they could do just fine as sound barriers along freeways.

@TheRealE.B.

2 жыл бұрын

Freeways that are close enough to civilization that they need sound barriers are their own can of worms.

@id10t98

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealE.B. Most apartments and homes built next to freeways are for poor people and in my 6+ decades on this spinning rock it's quite apparent no one really gives a shyt about poor people, or else Ethiopia and other nations would have all the food and medicines they need and everyone in developed nations would also have affordable healthcare and access to food for their families.

@eMemoryCard

2 жыл бұрын

A perfect part of a new border fence or wall. Dual use life.

@jj-eo7bj

2 жыл бұрын

Stupid idea

@Thomas-xn6em

2 жыл бұрын

@@id10t98 Actual first world countries do care about this

Vestas is working on a technology to seperate the resin from the glass fiber, allowing for true recycling. Siemens-gamesa is working on new materials for rotor blades that can be recycled more easily.

@cquiroz420

2 жыл бұрын

It's not vestas anymore.....and F### vestas

@harenterberge2632

2 жыл бұрын

@@cquiroz420 you might want to use a bit more words to write a message that can be understood.

@cquiroz420

2 жыл бұрын

@@harenterberge2632 The Chinese bought out the American facilities. and F### vestas.

@harenterberge2632

2 жыл бұрын

@@cquiroz420 that is rather unspecific. Vestas only sold one particular tower factory in Colorado. And why the hate?

@chadfren

2 жыл бұрын

this whole thing was a waste of time and materials

I saw all those blades stacked in that landfill and thought, "20 foots sections of difficult to cut material, can you say Boarder Wall..."

And this is only one part so if you add solar and batteries from all sectors it means the problems grows bigger in how to recycle or dispose of these "Green Energy".

None of the proposed uses are in any way industrially viable. They either need to find a direct second use, or they need to actually break them down into ressources, and recycle them as best as possible

@HotNoob

2 жыл бұрын

yes; they are very lazy, shreading and burning. they could very easily turn it into a slury and extract various materials from it; sort of how sewage is done. they could also very much turn it into a different product as-is, similar to say OSB? from there, the operation could be "profitable." it's clearly just an operation to improve "enviornmental image".

I think both approaches have merit. The fact that the companies are willing to pay to shred and reuse the blades is great, and I think both ways are a hood start.

@truthhurts5158

2 жыл бұрын

And shredding the blades is putting CO2 into the air

@CamRebires

2 жыл бұрын

dem hood starts bussin man, shit's lit

@TucsonDude

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, paying to recycling is cheaper than paying to bury in landfills. People don't understand that some recycling is not exactly profitable to anyone.

This is like a comedy short, Well done Insider Business.

In a cost benefit analysis the whole wind turbine energy project is a huge waste of money that could be better used to work on nuclear solutions that don't rely on when or where the wind blows.

"Green energy" isn't always. People look at the end product. But they don't look at the before, and they don't look at the after. They look at the product itself as it is right off the assembly line.

@MusicfromMarrs

2 жыл бұрын

While true, there are pluses in addition to the minuses. This is a copy of my recent comment: On the plus side, 85% of windmills can be reused or recycled. The blades are only 15% of the deal. If we can figure out eco-safe ways to recycle/reused blades, we’ll have a completely renewable form of energy. Another plus: it’s way quicker to erect windmill farms than it is to construct nuclear power plants, and the windmills will produce the same or more energy than nuclear plants.

@conbro0985

2 жыл бұрын

@@MusicfromMarrs nuclear capacity factor 92.5% and wind capacity factor is 35.4%, you do the math. Not here to start a debate or argument just debunking misinformation so others aren’t misinformed. Yes I see the pros you bring up like time to construct but you’re way off actually comparing the energy.

@MusicfromMarrs

2 жыл бұрын

@@conbro0985 it may take more land to produce the same energy, but wind goes up in unpopulated plains areas, or in the ocean. It’s also safer. There’s a link in my next comment; I do t know if it will stay.

@timh8324

2 жыл бұрын

@@MusicfromMarrs "and the windmills will produce the same or more energy than nuclear plants." - but not within nearly the same amount of space - by like a factor of thousands - how much do you want to dedicate of the different animal habitats to spinning blades and noise pollution?

@timh8324

2 жыл бұрын

@@MusicfromMarrs No one has calculated the effects of erecting all of those towers in the ocean on the currents, environment or marine life. Plus those plains are unpopulated by people - but not animals.

Whoever makes them should have to recycle them

@tomte47

2 жыл бұрын

You cant recycle them.

@wolu9456

2 жыл бұрын

when you by a car battery do you like that extra charge?

@davidanalyst671

2 жыл бұрын

your mom needs to recycle you

@THEGOOD360

2 жыл бұрын

We would have none of them then.

@lightningdemolition1964

2 жыл бұрын

Whoever buys them should have to pay to get rid of them. It's a rounding error compared to the cost of buying them. Each blade costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and only $3000 to get rid of it.

WOW.. I thought they were Metal. Thanks for posting, Chief Ken Bauer, USAF (Ret)

These modern machines are gradually replacing humans in heavy jobs

It’s funny how they’d rather use a bus as a unit of measurement than meters.

@jaypolas4136

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Those damn americans. Using feet to measure things. And... Buses? Football yards???

@federicoxxx.jjjh.f2sss348

2 жыл бұрын

becouse it gives a reference of length... a comparison to something you see daily

@AA66999

2 жыл бұрын

@@federicoxxx.jjjh.f2sss348 I stopped reading after seeing you misspelling because.

@blnunya6689

2 жыл бұрын

@@AA66999 Clearly a typo you tool.

@federicoxxx.jjjh.f2sss348

2 жыл бұрын

@@AA66999 if a single letter stops you from reading that's your problem... English isn't even my first language

Another reason they don’t get recycled is because “it costs too much” :/

@OggeViking

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, fiberglass is almost impossible to recycle.

@THEGOOD360

2 жыл бұрын

How much energy might be used in the recycling process? Is the cost benefit even worth it in the end?

@OggeViking

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEGOOD360 I don't have numbers, but probably a lot. As of today, it's much cheaper to leave the blades in landfills. Not sure which cost benefit you're referring to.

@harishdavinci8290

2 жыл бұрын

@@OggeViking you know it’s the same reason why most plastic are not recycled because making a new plastic bottle is cheaper than recycling

Very old news. Half a year ago, Vestas said that they could dismantle the old turbine blades and recycle the materials for new turbine blades. Even at my son's high school they can dissolve the wings.

A very old movie. In Denmark, the old blades are dismantled and everything is recycled into new turbine blades.

I used to build them. Most people don't see that you end up with a 40ft dumpster of chemical-laden garbage to make every blade (each turbine used 3 blades). Our blades were 100% fiberglass and then coated with paint, no balsa wood.

@pirojfmifhghek566

2 жыл бұрын

And somehow it's still one of the least polluting forms of energy. Shit's fuckin' wild.

@stevenwhite3.1415

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an inefficient process.

@johngormley2192

2 жыл бұрын

At least balsa is organic and can decompose.

@MrTheclevercat

2 жыл бұрын

@@pirojfmifhghek566 It actually isn't. Look into it further than greenies do. Wind power is trash.

@Entropic0

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenwhite3.1415 Fiberglass is expensive for a reason. There is loads of waste and lots of nasty chemicals involved. However, it has a very high strength to weight ratio which is critical in these sorts of applications. The heavier the blades, the higher the wind forces needed to start moving ergo they can't operate as well at lower wind speeds. It also limits performance at high speeds since heavier blades produce more force for a given rotation speed, capping the maximum speed they can rotate before breaking.

I've seen a bicycle street shed made of a blade cut in half...it was really cool looking!

@youxkio

2 жыл бұрын

Agree! Bus stops could also be an option.

@interestinoldschool8080

2 жыл бұрын

4:31

@HobbyOrganist

2 жыл бұрын

@@youxkio Except all plastics and fiberglass degrade from the sun's UV rays, it tends to "chalk" and then get very brittle and crack unless completely protected by a paint or something. You def don't want a blade repurposed bus shelter to suddenly crack apart because some wind hit it during a storm while people sheltered under it

@youxkio

2 жыл бұрын

@@HobbyOrganist Now that explains the insisting explanation of using those blades for cement.... Yes, I guess it may be the only solution for those blades; very difficult to find a circular solution for them.

@HobbyOrganist

2 жыл бұрын

@@youxkio Yes, and when you think about it ask WHY they have to replace those blades in the first place, unlike a car engine or light bulb, the blades don't just "wear out" what happens is they get damaged- they are out there is the direct sun all day long, and like the paint on your car, dashboard, plastic trim etc- they get UV damage as well as I believe they start chemically breaking down. Look at those "Rubbermaid" plastic garbage/wastepaper basket cans and laundry baskets, notice how nice, strong and flexible they are when NEW, but ever notice how once they get some age on them the plastic CRACKS? Why would formerly flexible plastic get brittle and crack like that even tho those two items are typically not out in the sun? the answer on those (and that hich is in the sun too) is that the plastic itself is chemically degrading. Add the chemical degregation to the constant UV exposure and you get cracking and structural weakness, THAT is the main reason the blades have to be replaced. Even if they were metal, there's corrosion or metal fatigue to contend with- bending and flexing causes metal fatigue, its a main reason why jets have to be scrapped after a certain number of flights/hours- the wings and body get metal fatigue

I drive by wind farms in central Illinois almost every day and RARELY do I see more than a few actually turning…..

The issue I have with reusing them is that it’s just delaying the problem for someone else in the future. All those reuse projects won’t last forever and then what happens to them? They’re disposed of one bit of blade at a time which will be even more energy intensive.

@drewhengehold3860

2 жыл бұрын

The big idea with reusing is to also reduce. By repurposing something you take away the need to source that item with raw materials. Like if you made a play structure with the turbine blades that's replacing the need to cut down a tree to use lumber to create that structure. Expanding the lifetime of one item makes it so that there's less need to draw raw materials from the environment

@johnjrubadub

2 жыл бұрын

I would think that most of these re-use projects are really trying to get people to think more about a circular economy in a creative way rather than offering a large-scale solution to this particular waste problem. The hope being that designers, engineers and planners will see re-use in action and can come up with better solutions in the future.

@jbird6609

2 жыл бұрын

Using you reasoning then we shouldn’t make any kind of product? Because someday it will have to be disposed of. I think you are only looking at a narrow view of things. After initial investment, The fuel for wind is free. Same for solar.

@boahneelassmal

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, delaying is what we need now. repurposing doesn't mean we're not gonna be thinking about how to deal with them in the end but it buys us time to develop new processes and technologies to eventually deal with the waste the best way possible. Anything that doesn't need to be burnt now can potentially be disposed of much more efficiently and environmentally friendly in the future than we are capable of today.

@generalawareness101

2 жыл бұрын

BINGO! I was saying the same thing because RRR is great but eventually the reuse ends up having to be recycled.

I'm surprised its not mixed into concrete or some other composite to make building materials

@calderarecords

2 жыл бұрын

Yeh fam.. We can recycle them into oil to burn!!

@davidanalyst671

2 жыл бұрын

you cant break apart the fibers in a way that makes them as strong as fiber concrete.

@theobserver9131

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidanalyst671 Can't? What does that word mean? :D

How is wind energy green when you need all this infrastructure to make it and then have this continious wastage problem due to worn out parts.????

And the shame of the hole thing is. My energy bill is higher now.

Cut them up and make shingles out of them. Probably last longer than asphalt shingles.

@arnearne12345

2 жыл бұрын

that is actually not a bad idea slice em up and sell em as dirt cheap shingles

@rw-xf4cb

2 жыл бұрын

@@arnearne12345 or expensive shingles as theyre green, environment friendly (recycled), and reduce carbon foot print to make new shingles.........

@KH-lg3xc

2 жыл бұрын

No, they would be too durable as shingles.

Figure out how much power they produce over their life span then figure out how much power it takes to use the machinery to manufacture, delivery , install, uninstall, bury, dig back up , delivery to recycling location, grind up, and deliver to concrete manufacturer to use

@domitravel795

2 жыл бұрын

Wind turbines are a scam. People have no idea how much energy and polution is used to make them, tramsport them, assembly and to keep them running. Also the hundreds of birds that every windturbine kill in it lifetime. And every 20 years you have to build new ones.

@MrSiimon93

2 жыл бұрын

@@domitravel795 not to mention the efficiency for a lot of those. We have at least a dozen in the area that barely run at all, two of which collapsed due to production issues (Germany). But boosting green energy - in whatever form that may be, is a must to reduce our ecological footprint

@domitravel795

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSiimon93 Well, no wind or too much wind and the windturbines will not work.

@jefflanton5617

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't sound vary green

@johnlastname4487

2 жыл бұрын

Domi Travel Actually scientists have already calculated the carbon Footprint for different types of renewable energy production. And wind is only marginally worse then nuclear at around 11g CO2 / kWh (and theres still room for improvement with bigger&more efficient turbines) . Compare that to 450g / kWh for Natural Gas and more than twice that for coal. And they do kill birds. An estimated 500,000 a year in the US. Sure, that is alot of birds. But at the same time up to 1.5bn Birds are killed by cats and windows each year.... So yeah, Wind turbines aren't perfect. But they sure as hell are way better then fossil fuels.

In usa, they measure school buses by wind turbine blades, they simply say that a bus is 1/4 wind turbine blade

Loved the guy cutting fiberglass with no breathing protection. That's definitely green.

@old-pete

2 ай бұрын

That does decide if something is green or not. One can get lung diseases or even suffocate to death from wood smoke.

HOW COULD THIS EVER BE CONSIDERED GREEN WHEN THEYRE BEING BURIED UNDERGROUND AFTER USE!? (before the company started shredding)

@cloudk2088

2 жыл бұрын

it's all nonsense.

@rytan4516

2 жыл бұрын

Compare it to the alternatives. Coal, for example, leaves a massive pile of toxic ash as well as massive amounts of air pollution. Natural gas is better, of course, but it still emits way too much CO2 to be sustainable.

@diogenestheflatterer5380

2 жыл бұрын

Because it's all about catering to the privileged white collectivist, and their fantasy's.

@cad2mex

2 жыл бұрын

Because we live in a world where virtue signalling is more important than truth

I’m all about reducing waste through creative ways, but old blades are ample and the odd shape limits what we can use them for.

@Plethorality

2 жыл бұрын

dont limit the human imagination to a handful of engineers, and some middle management. there are better ways.

@davidwhitten3596

2 жыл бұрын

@@Plethorality we have to figure this out so that all those that virtue signaled about wind being clean energy won't look like dipsh*ts

@Plethorality

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidwhitten3596 well that is one motivation, i suppose, but the willingness to stop the destruction of this planet is not virtue signalling, its just a virtue.

Seems like they could be compressed and glued to make building materials, similar to current materials made of wood byproducts.

How much fibreuse goes into the atmosfer when the bladsy are burned?

@old-pete

Жыл бұрын

None, when done right.

Another reason small scale nuclear is a better long term option.

@davidgraham2673

2 жыл бұрын

Nuclear is by far the cleanest, cheapest, most compact option.

@Sarconthewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Only if Thorium is used. A lot less waste. A lot less radioactivity. But, you know, they have to use uranium to make bombs, so...........

@davidanalyst671

2 жыл бұрын

we still waiting on the costs for small snail snukes. today these are 1/3 the cost of nukes

@Gorbyrev

2 жыл бұрын

Small scale uranium nukes are already well established and have been powering military vessels for years. Thorium technology would be a welcome addition. You can't make a bomb from uranium fuel rods unless they go through an enrichment process. Uranium nukes do not directly lead to fission bombs.

@luc_libv_verhaegen

2 жыл бұрын

Its waste should be coming to a landfill near you then.