Additional Point: After the Battles of Monte Cassino (The Germans count 3, the Allies 4), the symbol of 1. Fallschirmjäger-Division was changed to a Green Devil.

@CalebNorthNorman

2 жыл бұрын

Can you please do a video on the Gebirgsjäger who fought a rear guard action in Austria in 1945 and were not told to retreat last minute but left to their fate. They still fought like wildcats. I read a little about this in the book Alpine Elite by James Lucas. The way Lucas tells it the out numbered Gebirgsjägers where defending against the pouring in Russians and holding them back time and time again and the German army was trying to get across the river and surrender to the Americans and at some point the Gebirgsjäger couldn't contact their HQ and sending a runner there they found it abandoned....they were not told to retreat and they no longer could make it by the date necessary. They kept fighting on it was a heroic story. The Author was a British soldier who fought some of them at Monte Cassino.

@Spade_1917

2 жыл бұрын

@@CalebNorthNorman Fighting against the Soviets isn't heroic. It's abhorrent.

@CalebNorthNorman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spade_1917 Its something for sure. I wasn't really talking about specifically who they were fighting but How they were fighting.

@kaushiksheshnagraj7176

2 жыл бұрын

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@jonathansibrian695

2 жыл бұрын

Killing commies IS heroic

I remember watching a good documentary about Monte Cassino. They spoke to two veterans from the battle.One of them was a Londoner who was infantry, the other soldier had a Teeside accent, which is North East England. It turned out the one with the Teeside accent was a German Paratrooper who was injured during the battle and subsequently captured. He settled in England after the war and married a local girl because he had no family in Germany

@FelixstoweFoamForge

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, I saw that one too. The lad with the Teeside accent seemed like a very solid chap.

@chrishewitt4220

2 жыл бұрын

Similar story for an older gentleman I knew in mid 80s in my hometown in NE Scotland. He too was captured at Cassino. I asked him how… and he said that they had no more ammunition or water and that the battle was now past winning, and to save his men, they surrendered

My Oncle Georg was a German paratrooper who signed up rather than be "volunteered" into the SS. Got a great photo of him with his FG42. In any event, he never jumped out of an airplane, but did fight the Americans on D-Day. Eventually his unit ran out food and ammo, and they decided to surrender. Georg was shipped off to a POW camp in Texas where he spent about a year. When the Germans were repatriated to England (not Germany!) the U.S. camp commandant asked them where they had hidden their illicit radio receiver. They'd hidden it in his desk! Georg spent 2 years in forced labor on a farm in England, which he actually didn't mind, before returning to Germany in 1947. Still alive today at 90.

@skatetrooper5285

2 жыл бұрын

Wow!

@alexanderryan1176

2 жыл бұрын

Did he enjoy Texas?

@schmid1.079

2 жыл бұрын

Good health to Georg!

@TheSonicfrog

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderryan1176 He was treated quite well, especially when compared to the treatment accorded colored people there, the difference upon which he commented. Also treated quite well in England. He went back after returning to Germany to visit with English friends he'd made.

@TheSonicfrog

2 жыл бұрын

@@schmid1.079 Thanks! I think he has the luck of my opa, who served as a German infantryman in WWI, was briefly a training cadre early in WWII, and his two other sons one who served as infantry on eastern front, the youngest as a flak helper, and they all survived unwounded. Knock on wood!

Green Devils came from the British while fighting the battle of Crete, due to the fact the Fallschirmjager would appear out of nowhere and also never surrender.

I thought the Red Devils are Manchester United. Only joking! Another great episode from this channel. I also find it very interesting to see two German men speaking such good English together about highly technical military topics. Total respect for both gentlemen!

@princeofcupspoc9073

2 жыл бұрын

For good or for bad, English is the new Lingua Franca. If you want to reach the most people possible on the internet, you use English.

@dominikklein2152

2 жыл бұрын

one of them is austrian, actually

@dominikklein2152

2 жыл бұрын

the other one doesn't speak english very well. i cringed but don't question the expertise.

@PSPaaskynen

2 жыл бұрын

The Belgian national football team is also called red devils (Rode Duivels). The Dutch black devils ("black" on account of the very dark blue overcoats they wore) were actually Dutch Marines and it is doubtful if the Germans ever actually bestowed that nickname on them.

I am a gebirgsjäger fan myself.

@noobster4779

2 жыл бұрын

up to finland you go then :D

@CalebNorthNorman

2 жыл бұрын

@@noobster4779 Actually the Gebirgsjäger rarely fought in the mountains ironically enough.

@Lightsellful

2 жыл бұрын

Fair. A vast area of high mountains must be far more difficult to hunt than a cloth of silk with some ropes.

@tomendruweit9386

2 жыл бұрын

Jäger is Jäger

@zulubeatz1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomendruweit9386 Tyrol is Deutchland

I was trained by Brit Paras who were in north Africa, they told me they got the name red devil not from our maroon beret but from the red dust that covered them when they were attacking enemy positions.

@tictoc3148

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the soil in Tunisia where they fought was a reddish colour, plus they tended to have the flap on their Denison smocks unfastened, they'd hang down at the back, looking a bit like a tail,

@badbotchdown9845

2 жыл бұрын

The color of the beret comes from the wife of commanding officer an American actress

@Matt_The_Hugenot

2 жыл бұрын

In his book, Army - Airborne Forces in the Second World War, Lt Col T.B.H. Otway states that the British 1st Parachute Brigade was nicknamed Rote Teufel by the German troops they opposed in North Africa in 1942, because of this General Alexander made Red Devils their official nickname.

I do not know if this was common, but I have come across cases where divisional symbols were changed by the divisional commander. For example, when the 65th Infantry Division was commanded by Gustav Heisterman von Ziehlberg, he changed the divisional symbol from a tree to a capital letter Z (presumably for his family name). Perhaps divisional symbols in the Wehrmacht were extremely decentralized and not assigned by higher commands?

@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized

2 жыл бұрын

good point, I haven't look into this yet. I had loaned a book from the library once, but I think it was mostly a compilation.

@filipeamaral216

2 жыл бұрын

And later Generalmajor Hellmuth Pfeifer changed the symbol to the popular handgrenade, transforming the division into "The Hand Grenade Division". General Pfeifer, described in the divisional history as having "indomitable energy" and of being a "military role model", was a tough guy and wore the Infantry Assault Badge on his uniform (uncomon for a general) and lead from the front. The soldiers were proud of the name and the divisional newsletter was named Die Handgranate ("The Hand Grenade"). The story of how the 65. ID got its name can be found on youtube as "How the Hand Grenade Division Got Its Name". I believe the youtuber in question is the author of book "Indescribable Ordeal: The History of the German 65th Infantry Division 1942-1945", only recently published: 8 March 2021.

@malcolmhunt7108

2 жыл бұрын

Divisional/unit Tactical Symbols were allocated by OKH, although as has been pointed out, it wasn't unusual for (new) commanders to change them to something 'unofficial'. A famous example of this is the well known 'Leaping Horseman' symbol of the 24.Pz division, but not many people know this was actually the 'unofficial' symbol, the actual 'official' symbol was a 'Diagonal Arrow' similar to that used by the 22. & 23. Pz divisions and which can be seen usually on the left rear of the divisions tanks.

@jeffreytam7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized I remember reading that they changed the runic IDs for the panzer divisions for map legibility and to a lesser extent because they kept adding more and more units. The early system (which replaced complex and highly distinctive emblems for each of the original panzer divisions) was workable enough up to 8-10 divisions but broke down after that because they couldn’t just keep adding more dots for example. It must be said that even the later revisions also broke down, such that the 116th had a Greyhound as its ID symbol. Edit: I’ll go find the source when I have a chance

Paratroopers would have been much feared anywhere because of their level of commitment, training, fighting style, and of course because they are often fighting behind the front. Roman Legions changed their names, symbols, even dress after a famous battle or a special honour was bestowed upon them, which likely brought great prestige amongst their countrymen, and had a chilling effect on future combatants.

My father fought the Fallschirmjager in Crete and then again in Monte Cassino! My mother and father went to the 40th anniversary of Crete; my dad was in the 20th Battalion of the 1st Echelon of the NZEF, he ended up fighting these great German troops again in Monte Cassino, Anyway at the Anniversary in Munich, everybody got on well and all agreed that they fought such a silly war! My mother said that they all looked like us; the food was great, wine fantastic! Some of the boys from the famous NZ 20th battalion had to keep an eye on Charlie Upham to stop him attacking some poor innocent German in 1981??? (Charles Upham was the only double VC of WW2 and a 20th Veteran who still held a grudge until he died)! Charlie and Molley Upham were good friends of my mum and dad! My dad didn't hold any grudges! My dad was wounded, taken POW and escaped; however he said that he was treated extremely well by the German Medics! Anyway at the Reunion in 1981 the Germans treated the New Zealand veterans extremely well, like brothers!

@reinerfunden3205

2 жыл бұрын

My Grandfather never went to the HJ (The H....Joung) but when he was 17 reached the "Nothing new at the Western Front" time. Signed, and because he was a good climber (having one first climb in the Alps; not first, but first alone.) So he was easely able to do the 10 climb ups and the 50 "Knee benches". So: Monte Cassino. He allways told me, that the only reason he survived where the "Old Landsers" (the veteran Guys) and he was the Company Mascot. Bla...Bla... In the end, he was there with three other young guys, and nobody of them had a glue how about driving a "Kübelwagen", which was standing around. So they took bicycles, and came through a italiean town of partisans, they were all just smiling...strange. Hitting the pedals they went downhill into a british - 4 tanks across the street - blockade. They took his diary, with the promise, that he will get it back, after its checked for war important stuff. Never happend. So they drove him back to Landsberg (Where H..... dictated his My Fight) but again, the old guys: Hey Waldenar you are just from around here. We will hinder the guards short bevor the next hill, the cant turn that fast, you know the woods....Worked. He scratched his belly for two months, cause he still thought he still have lice, and wasnt allowed to eat regullary cause... kind a thin. Then tried to smuggle coffee through the alps. And then for sure Canada, doing Draisine.

@robmiller1964

2 жыл бұрын

@@reinerfunden3205 Yes I was please my mum and dad ended up catching up with their old Fallschirmjager foe in 1981. They had so much in common they were now friends! My parents and other veterans of the Famous 20th Battalion from New Zealand had a great time and both sides toasted their lost comrades. We have so much in common!

@reinerfunden3205

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmiller1964 Thats so...really heartbreaking. I attenden civil service after the storys from the Fallschirmjäger Grandpa and my other Easternfront Grandpa. You had to do youre duty back in the days in Germany, so i worked with handicaped people, and never regreted it. I wish you, and your family all the best, just wishing every politicaly declined "Foe" would have had the chance, to see the fundamentely Human inside each other. Damn, i miss my grandpa. Was allways a sociallist, went climbing with him, collecting mushrooms, and he thought me how to catch fish with your bare hands. Which he learnt from the indians in canada.

@reinerfunden3205

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmiller1964 That guy never stops talking, once he started: The Paratroops where within the Air Force, and had therefore superb "food" and a bottle of Schnaps (40%) and two boxes of cigarattes. While he started trading the hard stuff for chocolate and food. He came back, as an level drinker and smoker. Got pretty old, and died two weeks later than expected by the doctors. Cause in full koma, the liver should gave up, pretty soon. But we have a solid liver. I myself was on Alcohol rehap: What? You are drinking 4 bottles of whine every day....your liver parameters are just fine. On the other side, the real drinkers: Okay, so you are drinking four bottles of whine every day, and what are you doing in the afternoon?

@reinerfunden3205

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmiller1964 And...he allways spoke in full respect, and emphaty about the New Zealand "Lethernecks" who got burnt, by the allies. They bombed the shit out of the hill, but lets send the New Zealand guys in. That was an inhuman battle, of which nobody was proud of. All the time he tried to tell me stuff, there were allways those moments, when his Blue Eyes got glassy, and he went out of the room. Came back and changing the conversation completey. He was a "Humancatcher" allways willing and able to keep everybody comforted and left no one dry. And now to something completely different: Isnt live nice!

Extremely interesting. Particularly them changing their "Colour" with the arena uniform! I really enjoy these relaxed, detailed discussions.

Thank you for continuing to bring so much great information from German into English.

@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized

2 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

The Dutch forces Dr. Magnus Pahl mentions at 14:00 where from the Dutch Korps Mariniers (Dutch Marines) allegedly the Germans named these soldiers Swarchze Teufels because of their fighting abilities and their black uniforms. These soldiers were stationed at Rotterdam and defended the bridges there against the German Fallschirmjägers and later the Panzerdivision.

@The_Bored_Traveller

2 жыл бұрын

It was not only because of that they fought ferocious, it was also because of the uniform they wore at that time.

@TimDutch

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Bored_Traveller Yes, because of their black uniforms i mentioned that in my comment.

@merobo5066

2 жыл бұрын

If "Swarchze Teufels" is supposed to be German it should be "Schwarze Teufel"

Amazing stuff Herr Bernhardt, as usual!

12:20 sounds more like they were using Krokodil instead of Pervitin 😂

I think what often happened with unit insignia was new divisional commanders would change their marking when they took command. Essentially marking the division as theirs

The USMC nickname from Belleau Wood, as did many other stories, from the fertile ravings of an American 'journalist' Floyd Gibbons. Gibbons did not speak German.

@johnd2058

2 жыл бұрын

"Rock of the Marne" FTW

@washingtonradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnd2058 "Rock of the Marne" is the nickname of the US 3rd Infantry Division. The Marines were assigned to the US 2nd Infantry Division.

@johnd2058

2 жыл бұрын

@@washingtonradio Darn, I didn't know they went to Indianhead. Maybe 3ID got to take that MEF along some other time. Thanks for catching my error.

@washingtonradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnd2058 More interestingly, the divisional history of Indianhead, the Marine brigade was substituted for the original all-Army 4th Brigade. In the divisional history, the brigade is referred to as 4th Brigade (Marine). After WWI, the 4th Brigade was reorganized with the 1st and 20th Infantry replacing the Marine units.

@johnd2058

2 жыл бұрын

@@washingtonradio This would give a precedent for 2ID's stay in Korea -- as likely a place as any for further joint operations with Marines.

Thank you both for another informative video!

I had read that it was the British who gave them the nickname. It was a 'play' on the German nickname for British paratroopers, "Red Devils", assuming that nickname is also true! 😉

These German Paratroopers deserve their name. They are selected from training by volunteering and trained to the highest standard than the average infantrymen in the German Army. Mentally, physically upmost trained to carry out orders to their best ability tactically with no hesitation. All Paratroopers are trained 2 levels from their present ranks to be able to command and make decisions in combat when a leader goes down. The Americans knew this from Norway, Holland, Belgium, and Crete from combat reports. Paratroopers always take initiative in combat. The US Army Airborne School initially was modeled on the German training concept but with the difference of parachute equipment.

the deep dive into the ambiguity and error-prone nature of sources is refreshing, and informative - so many try to be more certain than their knowledge justifies. Yes, there were engagements between the red and green in Tunisia. Fascinating to learn about the Dutch.

I LOVE when passionate historians run off on these fascinating tagents....

I have heard of the famed 7 panzer division "ghost devision" but wasnt awear of a brigade with the same nickname very interesting.

@tinomirle7722

2 жыл бұрын

...the divison wars very quickle....

I also heard the nickname "the Führer's firefighters" belonging to the Fallschirmjäger in the eastern front but I'm not sure.

Great clip and subject. Going by memory here, but ref the the German Paratroops fighting the Dutch in 1940, I believe the Royal Netherlands/Dutch Marines wore Navy Blue (very dark blue, almost black) combat uniforms and may have been known as the 'Black Devils" due to respect by the Germans for their Combat skills. And ref the joint US/Canadian Special Service Brigade (Mountain warfare trained aka Mountain Troops) I believe their 'Black Devils' in conjunction with attacks and raids at night (as you mentioned), it was also that for these night attacks their blackened their faces for night camouflage, hence the 'Black Devils' was a reference to their appearance 'blackened faces'. Great work.

I would like to point out that if a name fits, different sources can come up with it at different times even if they didn't know about the other source mentioning it in the first place.

Great Museum. I’d recommend everyone visit it if they’re even in Dresden.

I have a feeling that lots of things got 'revised' after the war. Thankfully in this case there is evidence of the usage in military documents. Sometimes you change things up for moral, or if you get a different commander.

I knew a gentleman, who was a Captain in WWII. He was served through North Africa and on through the fall Germany. He always said, they had true respect for the "Fallschirmjägers". He said they were true and professional soldiers.

The 51st Highland regiment were supposedly called "the devils in skirts" during the First World War, although this appears to have come from other British units and allied war correspondents, but not from the Germans who fought them. NB - The nickname apparently originates from Highland regiments serving in British India according to the documentary film "Carry on up the Khyber" ;-)

@benwilson6145

2 жыл бұрын

It is the 51st Highland Division, not Regiment. The Germans had not forgotten the 51st . When the Division surrendered at St Valery they were marched to captivity in Germany filmed by Goebels Propaganda Unit, this was shown in Cinemas throughout the Nazi controlled countries. When the 51st Highland Division marched at past Winston Churchill and General Allan Brooke Commander In Chief General Staff in Tunis in February 1943 General Allan Brooke was to say: It was quite the most impressive sights I have ever seen. The whole Division was most beautifully turned out, and might have been in barracks for the last three months instead of marching 1200 miles and fought many battles during the same period. As I stood alongside Winston watching the Division march past with the wild music of the pipes in my ears, I felt a lump rise in my throat and a tear run down my face. I looked at Winston and saw several tears on his face. For the first time I was beginning live through the thrill of these first success that were now rendering ultimate victory possible.There is a video of this on KZread.

@Ye4rZero

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Australian & no expert but didn't their Pipers take part in attacks just playing their instruments & march back and forth to encourage their side forward? If they'd seen this, then I think the Germans would have come up with a much better name than "devils in skirts", and by better I mean darkly respectful

@Grimmtoof

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ye4rZero Yes they did go into action with pipers playing. They were still used in the night attack as El Alamein and famously Bill Millin came ashore on D Day playing his pipes. One other small story, when the Black Watch launched their last attack before being amalgamated they stormed into an Iraqi village with pipe music playing from speakers on their Warrior IFVs!

@douglasturner6153

2 жыл бұрын

"Devil in Skirts" could apply to many ex wives and girlfriends.

@benwilson6145

2 жыл бұрын

@@douglasturner6153 If they see your post you will find out how true it is

Guys, have you noticed that the uniform is not for a huge person the likes we are shown today? These guys were not sporting huge muscles, but had huge courage, dedication and discipline. Thanks for such great overview.

Nice jacket, brother 👌🍻

I'm glad that cleared that up. :-)

"When favorite military channel makes video about your favorite infantry units " (Visible happiness)

There was a group within the Modern British Paratroop regiment called 'The Green eyed boys' who reviled the German Fallschirmjager. Fun fact.

Combat troops really like to give themselves badass names to build up confidence and attribute it to the enemy calling them that and fearing them. Most of these nicknames stem from that. Throw a sophisticated propaganda machine into the mix and the name catches on and gets repeated endlessly because his has dramatic effect. Basically self made myths. Years later after having heard these veterans who fought against one of these nicknamed units will use the name to imply how hard and painful the fighting and experience was for them. Unconsciously for the most part. But people writing books and making movies fall in love with these labels. It's a very obvious and common thing to happen given human psychology.

About the German and British paratroopers fighting each other during the invasion of Sicily in 1943. Wikipedia claims that a few days into the invasion, July 13, British paratroopers airdropped into an area to take the Primosole bridge over the Simeto river. Only problem was that earlier that day, German paratroopers had airdropped into that exact area to help the Italians defend the bridge. So fighting broke out between two forces that both had been airdropped into the same area on the same day, only a few hours apart.

I get a feeling, (backed up by some research), that anyone who fought against Falschrimjaeger units quickly developed a healthy respect for them. Calling someone a "devil" can be a mark of respect... (if Australian units had first met the FJ, the nickname might well have been the "Green Bastards"). And given that the British Airborne were known as the Red Devils, and that the two forces met on Sicily, my money is on the British airborne coming up with the nickname for their opposite numbers....FWTW.

When I was in the US paratroopers, we were told our unit was referred to as the "devils in baggy pants" by the Germans during WWII. I find unit lore fascinating. Thanks for the vid!

@scrimshaw7470

2 жыл бұрын

508th of the American 82nd are also known as 'red devils.' Paras seem to fancy themselves devils regardless of the nation. 😄

Hey talk about the 4th German paratroop division was formed with Italian nembo para battalion

You’re the best there is Bernhard!!!!

It's curious that terms like "Grune Teufel" and "Devil Dogs" supposedly are given to elite military units by their opponents rather than the units themselves. Another example is the myth that German soldiers called American paratroopers "Butchers with big pockets" during the war. It is likely a myth both because there is scant evidence that German forces ever referred to the 82nd or 101st troopers with this description, but also given the fact that the First and Second World War terms are alliterative in English. Alliteration is a key component to poetry and prose to grab attention in an Anglo or American mind (see how it works), indicating the likelihood that "Devil Dog" and "Butcher with Big Pocket" is an AMERICAN invention to describe themselves. As toward their enemies, look at propaganda to get a better sense how troops termed their opponents. A common cartoon called for Americans to "slap a Jap--" which found itself into memoirs of troops that fought in the PTO. Whatever term GIs used to describe Fallschirmjager at Monte Cassino, it was probably exceedingly profane and insulting, not a term that would be repeated at length in German newsreels.

It's possible it originated during May 1940 as a propaganda slogan in British flyer reports about the German airborne invasion in Holland mentioned by Dutch eyewitnesses that were able to flee to England. About the Pervitin. There is a civilian report about a farmer who had to ask for some kind of permission during the Battle for Woensdrecht. He and had to adress a Corporal of Fallschirmjäger Regt.6 who he tought was an old man in his fourties because of his sunken face. And asked him why an old men like him was involved in all this heavy fighting. The Corporal laughed and replied that he was in his twenties. FJR.6 was involved for over a month of constant heavy fighting since Beringen at the Albert Canal, prior to Market-Garden.

Maybe they were just really serious about gardening?

@econautx

2 жыл бұрын

@Mialisus nice one!!

About as valid as the name "devil dogs" for marines.

Polish 1st armored division was also named the black devils

@TheWojtekolaszek

2 жыл бұрын

Because of the black berets

I thought it was the British General who gave them the name after Mt. Cassino

And of course, the Blue Devils (French Chasseurs Alpins, or the USA 88th Division and latterly, the Duke University sports teams!)

All paratroopers are tough men for jumping out of a perfectly good and working airplane! And jumping into a situation where they are almost always surrounded! :-)

All honesty, encountering a Fallschrimjaeger squad would have probably been a very scary prospect if you're light infantry since that sporadic automatic fire you're being greeted with isn't that MG34/MG42 laying a base of fire and the rapport as well as how far they're shooting is sure as hell NOT an SMG, assuming the ones you encountered have someone packing FG42's

As he said it is very complex and can be very confusing with many sources offering different names and reasons for a well known name. This is what historians do. trying to untangle an try to find out sources. It shows because you read it in a book does not mean it is accurate. You usually need more than one source and even then mistakes are carried from one book to another.

Allegedly, the Lockheed P-38 Lightning was called the Gabelschwanzteufel (Fork-tailed Devil). Allegedly.

A few observations. The WW1 use of the term *Devil Dogs* with grammatically incorrect modern German may reflect language drift over time. As an example, my Father taught English as a second language for decades in Chicago adult education programs. When he spoke Polish, he used archaic sentence structure and vocabulary because his family emigrated to the USA during the 1880s. Second, was there a WW2 Allied Special Forces unit nicknamed the *Devil's Battalion?* Thank you.

@MrCosinuus

2 жыл бұрын

Nice idea, but I read 3 old German books, all before WWI. None of them changed the grammar in this specific case. But yes: Also German grammar changed slightly. Example: old: dem Manne new: dem Mann

@EinBaierImHimmel

2 жыл бұрын

You are right with grammatical or other changes of a language, especially the german, influenced by the english over decades. If I am watching old films or old TV-reports / discussions in the 50s / 60s it is fascinating, how clear and with what word combinations the people spoke. In comparison to today, it looks all a bit mumbled and in every second sentence is a anglicism. I am no fan of it obviously. But in this case, I am quite sure that it was no archaic german. ‚Teufelshund’ is the singular. ‚Teufelshunde‘ Plural. An additonal ‚n‘ makes no sense, if you don‘t say a sentence / combination like: „Bei den Teufelshunden ist genug zu Essen.“ // „With the devil dogs is enough to eat.“ But good objection.

@MrCosinuus

2 жыл бұрын

@@EinBaierImHimmel One of the books I mentioned, was from Otto von Bismark, German chancellor from 1871 to 1890. In his autobiography he used a lot of French words and quoted many French sentences without translation because everyone knows French. Sometimes he quoted English sentences but then he gave a German translation because nobody know English. Many of those French words are no longer in use in today's German, but others stuck and are no longer easily recognizable because of a germanized spelling. The most famous is "bureau -> Büro".

@EinBaierImHimmel

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCosinuus If you look back to the 19th century you are right. There are several grammar changes and word changes since then. For example words that were written with ‚C’ are now with ‚K‘. cement and Zement. Especially in the Post-sector were many french words common, that were pushed back by an initiative for using new german words after the Franco-German war. For example ‚Anschrift‘ for ‚Adresse‘. I have also read Karl Marx partially. It was quite difficult to read, also because of the differences you mentioned above.

@EinBaierImHimmel

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCosinuus I have meant ‚C‘ and ‚Z‘. But where there also differences in ‚C‘ and ‚K‘.

Even with internet, it's still difficult to find out. The first and most sources you find aren't necessarily true. Especially on special detail topics, you may not find anything at all with some simple searches. Most search engines don't get data from within communities and sites requiring registration. You have to know not the right term but the terms which people use who have the information.

Maybe the first Fallschirmjager encountered by the British were still airsick from the plane ride over. And misunderstood the comments, in the Queen’s English, about “those poor green devils.”

all airborne units are badass

Then we've got the Grey Fox, The Desert Fox, the Green Machine, the Screaming Eagles, Old Motormouth and in Nam we had the "Walking Dead"!

Weariung a west but no tie, how daring.

The ss had Fallschrimjäger as well were they considered elite?

In his book, Army - Airborne Forces in the Second World War, Lt Col T.B.H. Otway states that the British 1st Parachute Brigade was nicknamed Rote Teufel by the German troops they opposed in North Africa in 1942, because of this General Alexander made Red Devils their official nickname. It seems Goebbels heard the story and copied it.

@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized

2 жыл бұрын

sounds as dodgy as the other claim.

@Matt_The_Hugenot

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Typical soldiers, they repeat their stories often enough and they get believed, especially when it's good for morale. In the case of the British it travelled up the food chain so fast it was believed by the C in C Middle East within a few months.

Short answer : *because red devil was already taken*

May Tatoos have had anything to do with it?

talking about monte cassino...

Devil Dogs are chocolate filled cake treats sold in convenience stores? A very serious German discussion on Twinkies.

Its not Red (that's MPs). The Paras wear a Maroon Beret. But agreed that the Brit Paras were called "Red Devils".

Interestingly, the American paratroopers claimed to be called 'those devils in baggy pants' by the Germans! See the account in the book called, well, 'Those Devils in Baggy Pants,' by Ross Carter of the 82nd Airborne Division.

@Chiller01

2 жыл бұрын

Because the Germans were dressed by haute couture designers like Hugo Boss the US troops looked like they got their uniforms at Walmart. You have to imagine that phrase spoken in a condescending tone looking down the aquiline nose of an SS officer.

@blakewinter1657

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chiller01 German POW the 82nd Airborne captured: 'We've got plenty of men and equipment, and we're full of fight and we don't mind tangling with most Americans, but you verdammt people are crazy. On that attack last week our patrols reported beforehand that only a handful held that line and we called on our artillery and then attacked. From somewhere you mowed us down and wiped us out by scores. Our dead filled six ambulances. We don't mind fighting the regular infantry so much, but deliver us from those devils in baggy pants. You don't fight a fair war.' In the diary of a German officer who fought the 82nd at Anzio: 'American parachutists - devils in baggy pants - are less than 100 meters from my outpost line. I can't sleep at night; they pop up from nowhere and we never know when or how they strike next. Seems like the black-hearted devils are everywhere...' Both quotes are from Ross Carter's book 'Those Devils in Baggy Pants.'

Chasseurs Ardennais were called green devils by Erwin Rommel

No pink devils?

It's because they came from Green Hell. Like every other Hell, but kinda green...

Think it prrobaby came from the British fight like devils is more a british saying we also call the brit paras red devils

Ok ima guess first and say they wore green and fought like devils Called it!

Its amazing to me how much distain Germans have for their own history.

So basically no one knows if this is true.

@spaman7716

2 жыл бұрын

Like a lot of other stuff in history, yes and no.

2 things that the Fallschirmjager used that almost no one else in the Wehrmacht didn't get to use was their FG-42 assault select fire rifle and their recoilless artillery pieces in the LG 40 and LG 40/1

Jungs ich hab diesen Kanal hier herzlich gern Aber bitte Wenn ihr Deutsche Interview Partner habt Dann führt das Gespräch doch bitte auf Deutsch und macht untertitel drunter Ich hab das Gefühl wenn man sich zu sehr auf das Englisch sprechen konzentrieren muss kann es vielleicht sein das Informationen nicht so gut rüber gebracht werden können Außerdem würde das zu einem angenehmeren Gesprächsfluss führen Besten Dank und viele Grüße

@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized

2 жыл бұрын

Antwort auf diesen Vorschlag kommt nächste Woche.

@SuperEHEC

2 жыл бұрын

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Edel

@gerryparker1390

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are correct that there can be a loss of information. But English speakers seem reluctant to take the time to read subtitles and won't watch as a result. This hurts the profitability of the channel. Personally, I would welcome it to some degree as it might help with my command of the German language. There is also an added amount of work to make the translation.

If i get this right, and if i remember Neitzel truly, the "Devil" part in case of the Fallschirmjäger solidified itself because they were known and infamous for their rather reckless, rude, and out-of-regulation behaviour in non-combat situations.

@HealthyCigarette864

2 жыл бұрын

That probably Hass to do with the enormous amount of war crimes they were responsible for in Italy and Greece

I though the term is based on the impression the German para commandos did to allies soldiers and civilians alike due to their green camo uniforms and their wild operations in Belgium/NL 1940

The Luftwaffe was the most ideological of the Wehrmacht branches because it grew out of a pre-war Nazi organization unlike the army and navy. That - combined with fallschirmjagers being volunteers created soldiers that were extremely ruthless and motivated. This improved their combat effectiveness but also contributed to their war crimes in Greece and Italy.

@Schmidt54

2 жыл бұрын

All branches of the Wehrmacht were part of war crimes though. Is there a study that shows that Fallschirmjäger were deeper in this?

…..splinter B devils !

@NoodleCollectors

Жыл бұрын

Grünmeliert Devils!

@kurtwk

Жыл бұрын

@@NoodleCollectors YES !

Don't tell the Turks today that you can hold Crete with 2 tanks.

Die heißen immer noch grüne Teufel

I had a devil of a time understanding this guy's accent.

@Otokichi786

2 жыл бұрын

Watch more foreign language films!;)

@whitephosphorus15

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I did not have any problem understanding him.

@beepboop204

2 жыл бұрын

if only he had a crisp, Iowa accent

Interesting discussion. Although I'm quite sure that the average German speaks English far better than the average brit speaks German one small hint to Germans who are trying to improve their spoken English would be to remember that when mentioning a year English speakers seldom include the 'hundred' element of the date in conversation. For example, although in German it might seem perfectly correct to pronounce the date 1944 as "nineteen hundred and forty four' English speakers would normally reduce this to just "nineteen forty four' etc. Do that and you'll soon sound just like a native!

@kingoliever1

2 жыл бұрын

Well that´s rather likely because German schools teach English.

It sounds like they’re saying “Green Evilss” it’s so hard to really understand what they’re saying a lot of the times with these accents

1941 German dumped Finland lots of its Pervitin stock. Finnish long-range reconnaissance patrols used Pervitin as booster when soviets were after them and finns wanted to get the F out. But I can't recall any mention of green skinned dead finnish LRRP members.

@redaethel4619

2 жыл бұрын

I think we’d see a lot more green methbillies here in the states if that were a thing.

@jesper509

2 жыл бұрын

There's "the white death" . I think its a cultural difference in naming. Or swearing. In swedish "jävlar" = devils. Think the finnish version is "perkele". Don't believe that some people would name a unit "fuck/fuckers" in english.

Because they kicked asses

When I played sniper elite 4 the Jägers were really annoying to fight

Because we are in Germany! LOLOLOL!!!

Cause they were noobs lol