Why we think Microsoft's Windows Recall really sucks

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Microsoft held its annual Build developer conference this week with that bizarre Copilot+ PC launch tacked on the side.
As many of you have wondered, did no one at Redmond take a look at the Windows Recall feature - which was unveiled during the Arm PC launch with Qualcomm - and say: "Er, this might just backfire?"
To discuss this and more for our latest Kettle episode, we're joined by UK-based vulture Richard Speed, Tobias Mann and Chris Williams over in the US, and your host Iain Thomson. You can replay our post-event catch-up, produced and edited by Nicole Hemsoth Prickett, right here.

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  • @andreasplosky8516
    @andreasplosky8516Ай бұрын

    We, the NSA, CIA, FSB and the MSS, want to take this occasion to solemnly thank Microsoft for its service and dedication to our organizations. It really makes our work so much easier. Just imagine all the people we can now destroy with the help of this tool. This is a dream come true. Thank you, Microsoft, thank you so much.

  • @Life_Is_A...
    @Life_Is_A...Ай бұрын

    I never realized Microsoft made ads for Linux!

  • @MarquisDeSang

    @MarquisDeSang

    Ай бұрын

    And they will send the normies our way. I don't want windows user on my Linux. They have to go back, go back on Windbloat.

  • @phoenixrising4995

    @phoenixrising4995

    Ай бұрын

    @@MarquisDeSang They will choose Ubuntu, meanwhile I will be Gentooing and Arching.

  • @ContantContact

    @ContantContact

    Ай бұрын

    And yet, here are the ads.....for Linux. FYI, I jumped to Linux Mint over two years ago from Win 10, after using MS since the 80s. It does help to be retired, and not have to pay attention to workplace requirements.

  • @MarquisDeSang

    @MarquisDeSang

    Ай бұрын

    @@ContantContact Linux is a cozy place for retirement.

  • @ContantContact

    @ContantContact

    Ай бұрын

    @@MarquisDeSang Agreed. Linux is much less on annoyances. Things work as they were intended and should. I will add that I do volunteer work as an IT tech. Still quite busy, but with what I want to do.

  • @billymania11
    @billymania11Ай бұрын

    Big companies will love this Recall feature. What a great way to watch their employees every move.

  • @wonderdog8895
    @wonderdog8895Ай бұрын

    Microsoft desperately need a "Devils Advocate" on their feature team to challenge everything. This feels like a solution in search of a problem.

  • @RockChalk263

    @RockChalk263

    Ай бұрын

    Absolutely. Way too many yes men over at Microsoft and they desperately need a rewind. Adaptation of Windows 10 is going UP even in the face of general EoL support in 16 months or so. The level of detachment between what Microsoft wants and the needs of the consumer has never been broader.

  • @kevinmitchnik702

    @kevinmitchnik702

    Ай бұрын

    Microsoft business model is selling many features for a relative low price that is why they have software suites- no point solutions.. organisations get those MS features pushed to their systems - like it or not- in all the sys updates… so their whole business idea is “ a solution in search of a problem”

  • @RAM_845
    @RAM_845Ай бұрын

    problem with that "feature" will eat up your overall system performance!

  • @MrThomasC22

    @MrThomasC22

    Ай бұрын

    There is a MacOS equivalent to this called Rewind. This is a quote from a review of that product... It’s hard to perceive any performance degradation on my M2 MacBook Air while Rewind is running, but the machine is getting much hotter than usual.

  • @lazaraza

    @lazaraza

    Ай бұрын

    ...among other problems

  • @ContantContact
    @ContantContactАй бұрын

    I am retired from IT at work, but...NO WAY can this be allowed on corporate PCs. Security is a MUST. Should corporate jump to Linux????

  • @jabezhane

    @jabezhane

    Ай бұрын

    Good luck with Brenda and her team in Accounts!

  • @remaincalm2
    @remaincalm2Ай бұрын

    Corporates will love this. "Hey copilot. Show me the top 10 employees who spend the most time doing non-work related activities. Okay, send them an email telling them they're fired. Now show me the top 10 employees who took the longest time to accomplish a single task. Send them that email too. And show me the employees who work from home in their pyjamas based on what you've seen on their webcams before they join a meeting..."

  • @akin242002

    @akin242002

    Ай бұрын

    Why fire pajama employees? If they meet the 50% or higher in productivity, keep them on staff. The cost to find solid to great employees and train them up is expensive.

  • @werewookiee

    @werewookiee

    Ай бұрын

    Imaginary features? Cool

  • @akin242002

    @akin242002

    Ай бұрын

    @@werewookiee Not hard for an employer to use this with a powershell or Pythpn script.

  • @werewookiee

    @werewookiee

    Ай бұрын

    @@akin242002 And analyze what people are wearing using a camera on an ongoing basis and compiling all of that information into one larger database for copilot to still read from?

  • @remaincalm2

    @remaincalm2

    Ай бұрын

    @@akin242002 It was an example of how a ruthless boss could use Recall against employees if Microsoft provide the ability for corporates to have enterprise level control of it across their domain.

  • @JamesJones-zt2yx
    @JamesJones-zt2yxАй бұрын

    Glad I use Linux.

  • @Bhethar

    @Bhethar

    Ай бұрын

    Recently did the witch myself. I just gave up on having to put on with windows idiocy and terrible system performance.

  • @StaceyAyodele

    @StaceyAyodele

    Ай бұрын

    I jumped ship as soon as I heard about their Copilot+ PCs and their Microsoft Recall. Microsoft can burn in hell. I don't want a damn video recorder on MY PC!

  • @Bhethar

    @Bhethar

    Ай бұрын

    @@StaceyAyodele what Windows is doing is taking control of your PC. It’s not yours, it’s their and so it’s your data. It’s dark creepy future we live in

  • @ContantContact

    @ContantContact

    Ай бұрын

    I switched over 2 years ago. Not going back.

  • @oldradioguy65

    @oldradioguy65

    Ай бұрын

    So am I

  • @richh650
    @richh650Ай бұрын

    Even if some users know to turn the feature off, which most users won't know how to do... imagine Windows updates turning the Recall feature back on without users even being aware.

  • @emuschemre
    @emuschemreАй бұрын

    Lets all switch to Linux

  • @gibbogle
    @gibbogleАй бұрын

    It all sounds like a good reason to use Linux.

  • @akin242002
    @akin242002Ай бұрын

    Bad month for software security. - Apple holds on to all your naughty photos from 5 years ago. - Microsoft "Recall" spyware. - Google being Google.

  • @cloudycolacorp
    @cloudycolacorpАй бұрын

    The only reason I still use windows is I couldn't get my laptop's graphics working on linux properly. Doesn't feel like there's much reason left to really use it. Feels like the only reason ARM is being brought in, is so they can further lock you into such a terrible closed system

  • @dee23gaming

    @dee23gaming

    Ай бұрын

    You probably were using the Wayland display server. I suggest switching to Xorg if you use an Nvidia card.

  • @BoothTheGrey

    @BoothTheGrey

    Ай бұрын

    What type of graphics is built into your Laptop? I am just curious.

  • @cloudycolacorp

    @cloudycolacorp

    Ай бұрын

    @@BoothTheGrey A nvidia one that switches over to an AMD igpu. I spent a couple of days trying to get it to work on manjaro, only to keep digging myself a deeper hole. I might try again sometime, but I can't really expect anyone online to handhold me through the whole process lol

  • @Robomaiale-kr8my
    @Robomaiale-kr8myАй бұрын

    I can't wait to get my hands on a Copilot+ PC and feed it my smut writer persona on it and see how Copilot can be helpful with my use case to help me reach new erotica narrative heights.

  • @LONEWOLF6523-gc3dv

    @LONEWOLF6523-gc3dv

    Ай бұрын

    Now, will this help your LEFT HAND, RIGHT HAND OR BOTH (smile)?

  • @DouglasJenkins
    @DouglasJenkinsАй бұрын

    Interesting -- Your mention, Iain, at 5:33, of the Vista kerfluffle is what sent me flying to Linux! Thanks for your uninvited review of Microsoft Built !

  • @Silentsouls
    @SilentsoulsАй бұрын

    AI over my use on the desktop. I think it is getting more and more rational to go linux.

  • @akin242002

    @akin242002

    Ай бұрын

    Just make sure your laptop doesn't have an NPU nor Pluton security installed in the CPU chip hardware.

  • @Mantikal
    @MantikalАй бұрын

    There was also the issue of automatic drive encryption by default - if you weren't paying attention during your install process - you could get locked out of your own drive.

  • @jabezhane

    @jabezhane

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah especially with MS now offering BIOS updates in Windows Update...ouch there goes your TPM code! Bitlocker activated!!!!! What could go wrong?!

  • @alfrede.newman1838
    @alfrede.newman1838Ай бұрын

    It's sanctioned surveillance built with the OS, and no matter the technical protections promised the data trove of everything about a users life on that PC/laptop will be too tempting not to be a target for hacking. I'm sure there's been internal Redmnd debates before this was announced, yet still they Recall on centerstage at the event.

  • @werewookiee
    @werewookieeАй бұрын

    It's optional, right? And people pay for this feature on Macs.

  • @musicalneptunian

    @musicalneptunian

    Ай бұрын

    It would be optional if it were DLC that you had to download like the power toys.

  • @werewookiee

    @werewookiee

    Ай бұрын

    @@musicalneptunian Instead it's like HDR, which is built in but you can turn on and off. So, like optional

  • @ArthropodSpidey

    @ArthropodSpidey

    Ай бұрын

    are you thick in the head?

  • @jedipadawan7023

    @jedipadawan7023

    Ай бұрын

    @@werewookiee Optional in that you can keep turning it off every time Windows sends an update that turns the feature back on. We have been here before.

  • @werewookiee

    @werewookiee

    Ай бұрын

    @jedipadawan7023 Once I deactivated Cortana, it never came back. We'll see though.

  • @sydsaturn3337
    @sydsaturn333729 күн бұрын

    Does this apply to government and big business computers or just us little guys ?

  • @phoenixrising4995
    @phoenixrising4995Ай бұрын

    I guess MS loves Linux. Just a great ad for us.

  • @musicalneptunian
    @musicalneptunianАй бұрын

    I am an ordained monk of the Order of the Penguin. I offer discount exorcisms; I can banish Recall on your PC. Recall Come out! I command you in the name of the GNU Lords to leave this computer! SHTRVZ! vnnd;jkgbn! This is great evil. We need the holy hand grenade...

  • @Mantikal
    @MantikalАй бұрын

    ... and then there's the issue of your smart phone and your new e-car - with the same theme. Let's make 1984 fiction again.

  • @PatousMcGillicuddy
    @PatousMcGillicuddyАй бұрын

    What's making me crazy about all this is that this further normalizes and enables mass, automated surveillance. Am I the only one? Does anyone at Microsoft or Qualcomm care about this?

  • @carlosr1176
    @carlosr1176Ай бұрын

    The military industrial complex already implemented all its surveillance tools in everyone’s homes and businesses. Now what is left is so obtrusive the frogs in the pot are starting to notice. This feature is not for the user, it’s for so done trying to find out what the user was up to. Be that your boss or an investigator .

  • @willd1mindmind639
    @willd1mindmind639Ай бұрын

    Microsoft is just spamming openai based copilot functionality across its product lines and ecosystem without any clear sense of value to any segment of the user base. The main distinction here between the copilot functionality already found in other microsoft products and this copilot+ pc is that supposedly the pc version does not require you to pay to access functionality from openai on the cloud. In theory at least, because much of the demo appears to be no different from what google displayed with project gemini which likely is mostly fake. And given that microsoft now forces people to use a microsoft email account when installing windows, how is your microsoft identity and office 365 functionality and other standard copilot features (cloud based) going to be separated from this local copilot functionality? This is why the idea of taking screen shots is more of a gimmick than anything useful making this just another example of microsoft bloatware that provides no real value for average users while continuing to consume more and more resources on your pc, which I am sure is to promote hardware upgrades.

  • @thomasbrehm7739
    @thomasbrehm7739Ай бұрын

    What about HIPAA in the US?

  • @MrThomasC22

    @MrThomasC22

    Ай бұрын

    It's encrypted and entirely stored on the local device. So HIPAA really doesn't become a factor because only the person who created the data (presumably the clinician) has access to any of it. HIPAA concerns itself with the sharing and transmission of protected health information. This does neither of those things.

  • @ArthropodSpidey

    @ArthropodSpidey

    Ай бұрын

    @@MrThomasC22 wow, how does that Kool-Aid taste?

  • @user-ce8ut8hr9k
    @user-ce8ut8hr9kАй бұрын

    I don't think this will make it to Windows proper for a while yet. I think what we have here is another breed of computer and yet another version of Windows for ARM mark II. People still need fast Intel chips (these new chips don't match Intel's best) and Nvidia graphics and so I imagine we will have two concurrent Windows running for the next few years at least. It's only going to be a matter of time though until some civil servant leaves their computer on the train or some foreign power manages to hack in to the server that in a few years we'll find out has been having everyone's data uploaded to it all along.

  • @smoocher
    @smoocherАй бұрын

    Having worked in tech for "a while", I strongly suspect that there were developers and testers who said, "This is bad, it's a privacy nightmare, we shouldn't launch this" only to be told by executives that Recall needs to launch by such-and-such date.

  • @user-ts6rc1gw5u
    @user-ts6rc1gw5uАй бұрын

    The whole video looks like a creation of AI!

  • @mysticmikeable
    @mysticmikeableАй бұрын

    A solution looking for a problem...! ;)

  • @thbadmin7751
    @thbadmin7751Ай бұрын

    I'm moving completely to Linux, I have been half way there for years but I think it's time to completely dump MS.

  • @Mbro-dq2do
    @Mbro-dq2do23 күн бұрын

    Microsoft is just that..... SOFT Everytime i fire up my Dell I feel cheap. Great video fellas!! Mac and linux all day

  • @Really10801
    @Really10801Ай бұрын

    On top of all the other Microsoft nonsense, this is the last straw... finally time to switch to Linux, thanks for the heads up !

  • @user-hc6uo5fp8n
    @user-hc6uo5fp8nАй бұрын

    People are condition to use windows and will carry on using it even if you turn it of microsoft will turn it on with an update.

  • @Matlockization
    @MatlockizationАй бұрын

    Microsoft is protecting us from ourselves !

  • @bazwillrun
    @bazwillrunАй бұрын

    Like all the other bloatware, spyware shite MS sticks in Windoze it should be off by default and only on as an option...

  • @fkkirk3714
    @fkkirk3714Ай бұрын

    that first guest speaking... about 1.10, talks about Phantom Menace... did no one speak to the people who made it, this is not very good - well, someone needs to speak to him, Star Wars is for children, its made for children - if this is the intelligence level for this video, I'll give it a miss here!

  • @Zoyx
    @ZoyxАй бұрын

    From what I understand, this will be opt-in. You won't be forced to use it and it won't be on by default.

  • @RAM_845

    @RAM_845

    Ай бұрын

    "You won't be forced to use it and it won't be on by default" Yeah we heard that before, like with the Jabs and now the upcoming Digital ID...it will be mandatory as they did with the MS Account.

  • @jspringer86

    @jspringer86

    Ай бұрын

    "From what I understand, this will be opt-in" dude doesn't understand shit then.

  • @RAM_845

    @RAM_845

    Ай бұрын

    @@jspringer86 Thankfully tools like Rufus can create bootable Win11 USB with the ability to disable Bitlocker, Remove Co-Pilot and disable MS Account and create local account all upon installation. I use that tool all the time and also removes TPM requirements too.

  • @Zoyx

    @Zoyx

    Ай бұрын

    @@RAM_845 - I don't use an MS account on Windows 11. Never have.

  • @RAM_845

    @RAM_845

    Ай бұрын

    @@Zoyx Same here

  • @justsurfin5013
    @justsurfin5013Ай бұрын

    This about the space requirements?? Not only privacy issues, but giant practical issues and security issues (you all made a great point). Also I don't get the Windows 11 hate (I use it, it's fine and serviceable. I got way more important things to worry about than flipping out about how an OS looks. As long as I can use it or learn how to use it..I am good)). Other than to think it is the same thing when we went from Windows 7 to 10 (we hate change so don't change anything). Also as a hot take, companies are currently throwing things against the wall and trying to see what sticks. Priority seems less about innovation and more about monetizing (Very bad thing)

  • @TheDementation
    @TheDementationАй бұрын

    Are these muppets still crying about Star Wars from 25 years ago ?

  • @johanb.7869
    @johanb.7869Ай бұрын

    W11 has become and will become even more bloated telemetry ads spyware and subscription filled pile of crap. I miss W7. I said goodbye forever to Windows in 2017 and switched to Linux.

  • @mike-williams
    @mike-williamsАй бұрын

    These poorly researched hot takes is the perfect example of half--baked ideas these guys are accusing Microsoft of. Complete waste of time. There is a good discussion of this to be had, but this was incoherent.

  • @MrThomasC22

    @MrThomasC22

    Ай бұрын

    Exactly what I was thinking, half of them don't seem to understand what the feature is. The comparisons to Apple time machine (which it is nothing like) and the discussions about cloud security (which it doesn't use) are kind of embarrassing

  • @StvBnsn

    @StvBnsn

    Ай бұрын

    100% their arguments are hollow and dumb. Recall data is housed on device, this doesn't increase security risk beyond what any person with bad intentions could do getting hold of your device in the first place.

  • @robrob8936

    @robrob8936

    Ай бұрын

    Microsoft will probably sell user data about 6 months after this is released.

  • @StvBnsn

    @StvBnsn

    Ай бұрын

    @@robrob8936 How will they get the data? And how/why with all the telemetry they're getting now haven't they exploited this apparently rich vein of "user data"? Recall is a feature like Time Machine but it encompasses what the user is doing rather than the files they are working on, it's limited to what it can capture for now. And it's more useful than Google My Activity which if anyone has ever tried to use, like me, find it incredibly annoying, slow, and not useful at all.

  • @mike-williams

    @mike-williams

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@robrob8936How does that work? Why would that happen when they have far far more to lose than to gain from this?

  • @bryanwindowsfan630
    @bryanwindowsfan630Ай бұрын

    The discussions about Recall are not accurate or complete. Too many personal opinions intersect evaluation. Recall's actions work within your system---not the cloud. And every aspect is controllable; if you don't want shots taken of your banking website, or personal activities, you can limit or block these sites. It's just edited to include bad reference to another bad reference. If you prefer Apple, use a fruit device where their biggest upgrade is color. Big Thumbs Down.

  • @Johnny-es9xg

    @Johnny-es9xg

    Ай бұрын

    And the Microsoft Pluton security processor that is cloud connected?

  • @smoocher
    @smoocherАй бұрын

    Those accents are delightful!

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