Why We Need A Revolution In Energy Storage
If we ever want to get off fossil fuels and start using renewable energy, we're going to need a revolution in energy storage. That means batteries. Bigger, stronger, and just better, ok? And maybe, just maybe, we'll finally be able to realize humanity's dream of confusing the ghost of Thomas Edison!
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Why is credit being given to Edison for the power grid?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He wanted to build a DC power grid which was impossible at any scale and had very high losses. Westinghouse and Tesla created the power grid that we know today.
@Pile_of_carbon
8 жыл бұрын
+Bottleworksnet Totally agree. Edison was a whiny bitch who bought or stole the ideas for most of "his" inventions. His sponsors even paid Hiram Maxim to bugger off to Europe instead of trying to improve electrical equipment because they were afraid that he would steal Edison's limelight. And that's why we have machine guns and millions of people died in WWI & II.
@VintageLJ
8 жыл бұрын
+Pile of carbon You're a typical idiot. Thomas Edison was a great man in terms of what he achieved, and so was Tesla. But, look at both of them and the end of their lives for a good view of the success they experienced. Don't discount an entire mans life based on some random liberal media rant.
@24680kong
8 жыл бұрын
+Bottleworksnet The reason AC is more efficient for the grid is because it is easier to change the voltage. High currents mean high loses of energy. So by using high voltage, long distance losses can be decreased. But too high of voltage is dangerous around the house. So high voltage is used for power lines and lower voltage for homes. AC can easily have its voltage changed using a transformer. But DC is more difficult to change voltage. This is why we use AC. For low voltage applications, DC works quite well (and is much easier to do calculations with than AC).
@fabimre
8 жыл бұрын
Just what I wanted to comment! Fuck Edison. He still owes Tesla $ 50,000 plus compound interest!
@Paxmax
8 жыл бұрын
+24680kong ...actually High Voltage DC is the most efficient way to transport electric energy, it's growing, so Edison is vindicated by todays standard. At that time of ancient technology AC was a given for energy transport.
Or.... Tesla because we use AC
@matrixz12345
8 жыл бұрын
+Franklin Missark Indeed, tesla was the real inventor, edison stole the ideas and made it Meterable for the rich who wanted big profits :) thats why everyone knows who edison is, and not many know about tesla. :)
@cloudkitt
8 жыл бұрын
+MatriXz And by "not many know about Tesla" you mean "ever single freaking comment on this video is bitching about Tesla?"
@gedhole
8 жыл бұрын
+Franklin Missark edison inveted the direct current, tesla is the big genius discovered the alternating current that we use today in the grid
@matrixz12345
8 жыл бұрын
cloudkitt Sure but do you know his story? his inventions, his downfall and why, etc? :)
@yergaderga
8 жыл бұрын
+MatriXz His "downfall" was his funding getting cut off because Westinghouse Tesla wanted to give power for free. And wirelessly.
You could use hydraulics to lift your whole house, during the the day, then use the weight of the house to turn a generator on its way back down at night, in an analogous way to the reservoir principle. Maybe.
@TheGoodStuff
8 жыл бұрын
+locohombre79 This is the best idea
@locohombre79
8 жыл бұрын
+The Good Stuff Haha, your reply makes me warm and fuzzy
@0xbaadf00d
8 жыл бұрын
+locohombre79 Try calculating this, it's not very efficient. You'd need an extremely heavy house or lots of distance to lift.
@davinellulinvega
8 жыл бұрын
+locohombre79 That would be a plumber/electrician worst nightmare.
@lewtenant_k
5 жыл бұрын
@@0xbaadf00d That's why I prefer the idea of spinning my house. Higher limit to spinning than lifting.
Edison would redesign the grid to be more efficient then charge you all your worldly possessions for the privilege of using it. Bring back Tesla instead.
@clivrn
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, Tesla wants free electricity while Edison wants to sell electricity. I'm curious, Tesla invented AC why to they want Edison not Tesla?
@HiveFleetUlfang1
8 жыл бұрын
+CliViearN because 'muricans
@VintageLJ
8 жыл бұрын
+Viscount Alex of the Horse People from Mars Tesla was an avid fan of IQ Eugenics.
@Paxmax
8 жыл бұрын
+Viscount Alex of the Horse People from Mars Well, patent office can't allow that to happen, some things are too big to patent. For transporting energy Edison has sort of been vindicated today. High Voltage DC is the most efficient way to transport electric energy today.
@CasshernSinz1613
8 жыл бұрын
CliViearN Here's why: Edison is an example of America. Self made business man and inventor who was incredibly successful until his company got taken over by J.P. Morgan. Tesla was the genius who frankly had made amazing discoveries. However this fetish over Tesla is hilarious because Tesla fanboys want to make Edison look like an idiot, which he wasn't. He had a legitimate point about AC. It is deadly. If you touched a DC wire you'd get hurt, touch an AC wire and you die, likely. He even tested that with the electric chair he invented using AC. Edison was a businessman and he saw everything as opportunity to grow his business meanwhile Tesla basically went into poverty only to be somewhat heard in the scientific community. Yes his contributions were good but had he put in some time and effort into making money to invest in better laboratories like Edison and hiring staff to assist him he could have done so much more. Tesla was a great scientist but sadly he was...below average at life in regards to managing it and bringing out his own potential. He had ambition without the means to achieve most of it. It's like a perfect president who never runs for office because they refuse to.
this youtube channel is so fucking good, the videos are so well done and the topics are very interresting and you have 2 very funny and well bearded moderators. so why dont you get 1 million views per video at least?
@TheGoodStuff
8 жыл бұрын
+Justsomebiggerman2 Thanks! Glad you like it!
@FrostByte_AC
8 жыл бұрын
+Justsomebiggerman2 So fucking good you could say it's... "puts on shades" Good Stuff.
@dmonteroh
8 жыл бұрын
+FrostByte no, you have to put on the shades and then YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
@FrostByte_AC
8 жыл бұрын
*fix'd. I'm an idiot...
@Poppedcollar
8 жыл бұрын
+Justsomebiggerman2 The hosts have a really good dynamic, as well.
Do you mean Nikola Tesla?
@theheadone
8 жыл бұрын
+· 0xFFF1 and Elisha Gray invented the telephone
@SupLuiKir
8 жыл бұрын
The Head Thomas Edison might as well have been just some businessman with the money to pay engineers to design his technology, and thus money, for him. Making the ghost of Thomas Edison confused is child's play compared to stumping the spirit of Nikola Tesla.
@Tommykee999
8 жыл бұрын
+· 0xFFF1 shots fired
@theheadone
8 жыл бұрын
look up Drunk history season 3 episode 11. BTW, who doesn't know about Thomas Edison...I'm not sure why you're telling his story to me?
@brcha
8 жыл бұрын
+· 0xFFF1 Well, considering Tesla wanted to make free wireless energy available to everyone, I guess it would be very hard to confuse him.
That ending. 10/10.
@rred452
8 жыл бұрын
+Borikuaedu3991 "cool drink of water"
@frosty9392
8 жыл бұрын
+Borikuaedu3991 FUCK YOU EDISON!
oh my"The goal is to confuse the ghost of Thomas Edison ".lol
@cwdor
8 жыл бұрын
This is a total lie an just a smoke screne..a lead battery with a alum in it will last forever..an if it duz go bad all you have to do is melt the plates down an make new plates.......dumass mericans.
1:46 "We've suddenly realized with the new emphasis on climate change that it's going to be a tough road to eliminate carbon from our economy. We don't have the technology for it." That's simply not true. We could easily build more nuclear power plants, and they would more than happily produce the amount of energy that fossil fueled power plants do today. Unless you're referring to the technology to remove people's irrational fear of nuclear power, that is.
what a gem to have stumbled on to your channel! really amazing production and effort into your videos. Superb quality, keep up the amazing work!
Matt and Craig and TGS Team! The Good Stuff is great! Every video makes me think about the world a little differently, even when it's a topic I"m familiar with! Thank you for putting your brain, body and time energy into this project. It is my favourite!
@TheGoodStuff
8 жыл бұрын
+sarahahk Thanks!
This is so awesome, I was just talking to a friend about how a huge problem in clean energy is having a place to store it and then this video comes up in my feed!
"What would you say to Thomas Edison's ghost if you saw him in your bedroom?" ...Nikola Tesla is better than you.
@hadierturk4693
7 жыл бұрын
kaito kid I'd say stop bullying nikola tesla.
Thank you for doing what you do, The Good Stuff! 👏
Excellent video. Looking forward to checking your other stuff out. Cheers!
G'day, Yay Team ! I live Off-Grid, using Batteries & an Inverter... I'm not equipped to cobble-up Experimental Batteries, though I spent 25 years designing my own Wind-Turbines, before turning to Solar Panels, and my Solar Array is on an Asymetric Offset-Tower I designed, giving 135 Degrees of daily tracking & 47 Degrees of Seasonal adjustment, Solstice to Solstice...; it yields about 35% more than a fixed Array using the same Panels, so "economically" it's better to bolt the units to the Roof, but it's *far* more satisfying to have one's Panels actually pointing at the Sun..., than to have to watch over half the available power bouncing off for half the day, every day... To see the "Tower of Power", backtrack me to my "SunFoil Project..." Playlist...; to illustrate the SunFoil concept I used my Hut's Panels, Batteries, and the Backup-Generator as a comparison to the Car's Alternator, to highlight the point that a well-designed Generator does *not* have a Torque-Multiplier between the Electromagnetic Drag-Brake and the Engine's Crankshaft..., which is why adding a streamlined Solar Panel to a conventional Road-Vehicle saves relatively huge amounts of fuel. (best result yet, 33.25% Fuelburn reduction on a 1.8 Litre Subaru 4WD, with a 30 Watt PV ; worst result to date, 7.5% Fuelburn Reduction on a 10-Tonne Diesel Truck, with a 200 Watt 24 Volt PV on the Cabin Roof..) Adding a SunFoil to your Conventional Vehicle is the simplest, fastest, cheapest, ripest, biggest, lowest-hanging "Fruit" on the whole Alternative Energy "Tree"...; it makes the vehicle cheaper to run & less polluting, while delivering more available Torque to the Gearbox, so it'll accelerate harder and go faster as well..., once it's Battery is full of Sunlight at every Engine-Start. It isn't Voodoo, it's just(ifiably ?) simple Power-Mechanics, Electro-Mechanics, & Drive-Train Engineering, plus Electro-Chemical Battery Dynamics..; which conspire between them to mean that adding a streamlined Solar Array is a much better way to achieve that full-Battery condition at every Startup, compared to expecting the onboard Alternator to ever achieve such a state. Construction-Videos are in the Playlist, *none of it is patentable* so go your hardest, build one for yourself, or make a million of them as Retrofit Kits if you can afford to distribute them. Live Green, or Die...; Greenhouse-Gas Emission induced Global Warming is a Karmic Feedback-Loop, within the Kosmic-Scoreboard Effect. and we make our own future with how we behave today... What you do is up to you...; everybody has Perfect Liberty & therefore bears Perfect Responsibility, regarding whatever they decide to do... Have a good one, ;-p Ciao !
Off grid for over 6 years and I love it. 90% of my home runs on 100vDC with the ability to give up to 100 amps. You would be surprised what can function on DC that was designed for AC. Appliances that have transformers require AC only but devices like computers, most kinds of lighting, soldering irons, simple stoves / ovens etc readily accept DC. One trouble with high voltage DC is it tends to want to arc across switches when turned off so you need a capacitor in parallel with it to suppress that.
This is one of the best youtube-channels! You guys should have so many more viewers. Interesting topic btw, would love to be able to generate sun/windpower and be able to store it at my house. I really hope smartgrid will come soon :)
Thanks for a great introduction on what can be a very complicated issue. :)
I think this is the best comment section in all if KZread. The humbleness meter exceeds the standards
This is an episode theme I've been waiting for!
It is important to not forget the other major obstacle for batteries: efficiency. With any known storage technology, it takes more power to store than you get out of it, even when it is brand new. So getting batteries out there means a net increase in power usage, with the hope that spreading it out will be more efficient. There is also the dreaded maintenance issue. Centralized power means having specialists keeping an eye on high voltage sources that are physically separated from residential areas. Spreading it around means having some type of mechanical or chemical sink in homes with immense amounts of potential in it. Ever see a residential transformer explode? Even a small local one can light up the night sky. Home units are going to be smaller yes, but they are going to have a lot more energy in them than, say, a hot water heater (our current big store), and those failing can be pretty catastrophic as is. And, of course, there is the line control problem. Stuff inside your own house is your own problem at first, but as soon as you start hooking up your stores and sources to the grid, that means your personal maintenance issues can affect other homes. These are all problems who's solutions go beyond technological.
@user-kz3qg1qv2p
7 жыл бұрын
neeneko I am individually developing a different kind of battery which does not store chemical energy, and turns it's stored energy directly into a mechanical motion, my system might not be the most efficient system for a house, but definitely for transport, plus be able to store more energy within it, therefore increasing its life, and you can recharge it an infinite amount of times and will not loose performance, no dangerous chemicals required, and possibly more cheaper, currently developing a prototype with this system that I would like to patent
Energy storage is here already in many markets, let's give some more credit to the front line of energy warriors. I'm so grateful for this video and hope that you can do a follow up about more of what we are doing... Hundreds of MW installed in Southern California. Awesome work here, keep it up.
One of the variables he forgot to talk about battery tech for large infrastructural stage is the life or total usage and recharge cycles the battery has. Lithium ion is not only expensive but the life and usage cycle is relatively small, especially for use cases such as transportation and homes.
@zviratko
8 жыл бұрын
+Adil Zia Exactly my thoughts. If I drain my battery reserves by 80% every day (not unrealistic) then I'm looking at maybe 4 years of use before the battery starts dying. Also, storing vast amounts of electricity in batteries is like storing dynamite in your house.
@MrMysticphantom
8 жыл бұрын
Lol ya it's explosive if chemical based, lithium ion based, it nickel based... I think Gallium was much more stable... And there are layering techniques, both which are being worked on which do both good storage, good charge release and intake, physical volume density, and temperature stability... The main issue is that the research into making it commercialized isn't complete
@zviratko
8 жыл бұрын
Chemistry doesn't matter. Lithium in current batteries is dangerous, but more dangerous is the energy stored inside the battery. You can take the lithium out but the energy will always be there, and it can burn everything down.
Except that Bell wasn't the real inventor of the technology for the telephone just the application and Tesla knew a ton more about how electricity worked than Edison did.
Your videos are amazing!
The first reason almost sounds like a cop-out (considering the installation of large batteries in plants would probably increase the cost of electricity production more than it would reduce from load balancing). The real reason is the second one. Without some sort of efficient storage system wind and solar just don't work on large scale. These two energy generation methods are being sold as the future, but they completely rely on technology that hasn't been invented yet (and might not be).
@acmefixer1
3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's 4 years later, oct 2020. Things have gone well for renewables plus storage. There are many coal power plants that are being shut down and replaced by renewables plus storage.
good work guys
Derek = dreamboat, for sure! Definitely looking forward to next week's episode! 😉
I don't know if it's related, but I just finished drinking a beer and now I want to subscribe to the channel.
Especially interesting playlist, this one. I dare say: the stuff is good.
Really great topic guys!
@JwilliamsAssociates
8 жыл бұрын
Agreed
This is really good stuff
hey Craig I like your vlog but I think you make a really good host/interviewer. Nice to see!
aside from your informative videos, you guys have a great sense of humor :)
oh my goodness, the audio is so high. Could you master the audio for clarity and bring down the levels in the next upload?
@ryanwolff1224
8 жыл бұрын
Whoops - that was actually my mistake. I accidentally added an extra compression filter to whole master track just before the final export. Didn't notice until it was already online.
@GerardDenis
8 жыл бұрын
+DavidRussell323 Since nobody answered your question, I think they accidentally added an extra compression filter to the whole master track just before the final export and didn't notice until it was already online.
@arbaces
8 жыл бұрын
Just my two cents since we've had a lot of misinformation so far. It seems like there was an extra compression filter applied to the whole master track just before finally exporting it. Whoever did this didn't notice until it was already online.
@trustmiimthedoctor
8 жыл бұрын
+TheJman0205 no they're not, they just wanted to clear up the fact that there was an extra compression filter applied to the whole master track just before finally exporting it and that whoever did this didn't notice until it was already online.
@GerardDenis
8 жыл бұрын
+TheJman0205 I don't get the confusion here. Maybe you didn't understand what we were trying to say. The editor added an effect that shouldn't have been there and only realized it after the video was posted. I hope this clarified it!
Edison would say..." George...let's microwave an Elephant and go back to DC".
Two problems to solve: generating energy and storing energy. Storing energy can be tricky, not just because we need to find cheap ways to do so but because we spend a little of energy while storing it in the process. I think the idea of "sharing energy" in the grid is great and I think that each home can be a little power generator and an entire city can become a power plant town. All we need to do is to think where energy is and how we can extract it in the perspective of our homes. I don't have to mention we, ourselves, are "walking packets of energy". We lose lots of energy in the heat we emit, as we walk and move. The central problem is converting types of energy in such a way that we don't lose more energy in the conversion than it should and storing the energy to attend our needs.
This show is so good.
This volume on this video almost blew out my speakers. I enjoyed it once my hearing came back though.
Can't wait to see Derek, and amazing final ^_^
I really like the idea of pumping water up into a reservoir and using the potential energy to power the grid, but as you guys mentioned in the video, a change in elevation is essential. I also heard Bill Nye propose a similar solution where a deep, deep hole is dug in the ground but the plug of rock is more or less left in tact. Renewable energy is then used to pump water beneath the pug and slowly lift it throughout the day (or when the wind is blowing.) The gravity of the plug is then the potential energy and no change in elevation is needed. This system still needs water though.
I love all the swearing in this episode even if it was censored :-) Also, perfect ending.
What about the idea I've heard about of a giant heavy piston in the ground, and you store energy by pushing the piston up, and when you need energy you let it fall slowly and push the water or whatever and generate electricity from that. Cool to hear about the elevated reservoir thing! It'd be nice to hear more about other energy storage possibilities other than making better versions of our batteries :)
Nice stuff :P
NOT Edison! While working for Westinghouse it was Tesla, who contributed most to first power plants and DC power distribution. Edison was supporter of the DC, not AC current, that we use today.
I love these guys
with cheap power storage, investors would no longer hesitate to invest in solid forms of green energy; no more wars for oil either, it's is the one missing piece of the puzzle and I am glad to hear to many smart people everywhere work on it together.
I laughed way too hard at the clip at 2:03 Slopping gas all over each other
Great video.Nice to state that the lithium battery made the smartphone possible. Further improvement (better and/or cheaper) of energy storage is indeed badly needed. But not only battery storage is investigated also ways of making Hydrogen from the surplus of electricity is apossiblility. There is even a German institute that makes petrol out of CO2 and H2O with energy that stems from wind and solar installation. Also a way of thinking.
Straight shit!! This is what I have been craving. You will do great things. I hereby predict it.
I have wanted to produce and store my energy for years. It's expensive but there's more and more do it yourself options out there. The real trick is improving the quality of solar power, producing mass amounts of cheap solar panels and a government funded project could make this happen. Essentially a truck could drop off your materials and friends and neighbors install them themselves and neighborhood after neighborhood self generating electricity can be produced.
+The Good Stuff is the bestestestestetestest youtube channel I've ever seen PERIOD!!!! You guys rock man. Its your channel which made me feel what I'm doing in my life. Hatsoff to you. Tell me in what way I can support you guys. I'll help you in anyway. I can help you with the financing. (though I ain't particularly rich!). I can help you with your research. I can do anything to see you guys come up on youtube!!!
@TheGoodStuff
8 жыл бұрын
+Sharad Mathur Thanks for the awesome message! And a big way that you can help us is through our digital street team. We always need help with promoting the show, finding blogs to post our content, sometimes in thinking up of ideas and it's just a good place for us to be able to hear from people on a more personal level. Here is a link to sign up page...goodstuffshow.com/digitalstreetteam
My favorite approach to grid-level batter storage is being worked on by a guy named Donald Sadoway. Seach 'donald sadoway missing link' to find his ted talk on the topic, it basically uses huge, hot liquid metal batteries to keep costs very low and provide mass, scalable energy storage
"I'm playing angry birds" hahahahahaha Epicly hilarious.
I would love to put a flywheel battery in my backyard, but it would spin so fast (while I'm not home) that the wheel would need to be made of some exotic alloy that would have huge resistance to breaking. I'm sure the flywheel would also need advances in lubricant or ball-bearing nano-technology (or magnetic field technology) such that the friction value would be as close to zero as possible. On another note, Dean Kamen (inventor of the Segway transporter) is working on a hybrid stirling engine generator, but it's not available for consumers yet. solar panel + stirling engine generator = awesome
"I totally support this! But I won't vote for it, contact my representatives about it, donate to the cause, rally for it or even talk about it. I trust it will just happen magically. And if it threatens to raise my taxes by even 1 cent, I will be sure to complain about it to everyone." -People
UT Austin same inventor as lithium ion new recycled glass battery. 3x storage 10x less cost. Game changer also heat storage by sunamp in the UK.
Good video
Am I the only one obsessed that they only microwaved the Hot Pocket for 1 minute when they clearly need 2 minutes?!
Living in Manitoba, where nearly all the province's electricity is generated by hydro power, it's hard not to defacto feel real swell about one's self when faced with the effects of energy consumption. I mean, here I feel like I'm being green simply by having electric heaters, since it's burning green energy instead of natural gas, so that's pretty cool. I'd love to see batteries used in homes too, especially as electric cars come out more each year from companies. It's always been my dream to have the power company pay me to give energy instead of use it. I would have liked to have seen even more exploration into the use of batteries. For instance, how much progress in R&D relies on discovering more efficient chemical compounds, vs smarter technology processing to use that energy more effectively?
I believe that I have designed a more efficient kind of car battery that does not store the energy chemically but with an alternative system (which I will not specify until I get a patent on it) and would convert that energy directly into a mechanical motion, already more efficient than having a chemical battery transmitting its power through wires, then wrapping around a solenoid making mechanical motion with an electromagnetic field. Which I believe that it is the kind or energy storage system we need in transport.
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this battery at home idea is amazing! it would make it much easier for more people to become near independent for renewable energy sources, with the benefit of it being right at home! wow I had no idea. this video blew my mind. I hope argon labs crack it!
@tho2ea
8 жыл бұрын
+Shockography It's not new technology unless you're plugging your car in.
@Shockography
8 жыл бұрын
+ThomEA yeah but I didn't even knew it existed! never really thought about it. this channel is great
I really appreciate Tesla's work on this. They're hoping that lithium ion batteries will do the trick so they're just making a but load of them. More than doubling production with their new giga factory in Nevada. I hope their gamble pays off and we can just increase production of the ones we have. But diversity is key, so I'm also hoping the people you visited find their solution fast.
Did you high-five one of those weird balloon gloves at JCSER? Were those chambers to protect for static/dust?
The way I see it, energy storage is a good place holder to help ease us off of non-renewables until nuclear fusion is tamed and able to use in power plants at a fairly cheap price. Hopefully both of these won't take any longer than 50 years to achieve for everyone's sake. Obviously once fusion is in, energy storage can be used with it too and hopefully energy won't be an issue again and the atmosphere can actually begin to recover a little bit.
Hey good stuff people! Does these method of storing energy which is being used for now have energy loss or is it stored in its full potential and have its energy kept without loss when transferring back to electrical energy?
hey good stuff... tell me about your solar system you use...
It was Tesla's idea coming up with the modern power grid we use today, alternating current. While on the other hand Edison wanted to make a power grid based off of direct current. Edison battled with Tesla on the matter for years, on the safety, and efficiency mostly, DC is safer, but it can't be transmitted over long distances with loss like AC can. Edison knew this, and in the end bought Tesla out for relative peanuts.
If I were to see Edison's ghost in my room, I'd likely tell him to leave, only to come back if he could bring me Tesla's ghost. Nice video though!
one major disadvantage on nuclear fission is that even if in theory it should work fine, in practice management seek for profit and nuclear waste is sold all around the globe or abandoned in some ship near some coast. dense nuclear waste is very dangerous and last for centuries. today we need energy sources which are not harmful even if managers are mean and corrupt.
Day to day storage is one thing, but what about seasonal storage? These cloudy January days without wind will be a serious complication for economical energy storage for a renewable dependent grid.
Derek is SUCH a dreamboat. *swoons*.
I do think that batteries are going to be a major factor in the future of energy, but they will need some help from improved power sourcing, such as thorium salt reactors or even fusion reactors. I don't think those will work great as home solutions like solar or wind, but would make for a great constant supply for industrial use and to fill the improved batteries of places with high population density where solar or wind are simply not practical.
I would really love to have solar panels but they are expensive unless your area electricity provider has a subsidy program in place, which mine does not.
yes I would put a battery in my garage! in fact I already have DIY one
@BaerigeBrotzeit
5 жыл бұрын
your videos are great
what about the h2-o2 fuel cell which is most efficient battery (70%)..and easy to make....and used in rockets..with no pollution
@jimandaubz
5 жыл бұрын
All fuel cells are chemical heat pumps and that means when you scale them down, just like piston heat pumps, they lose efficiency, and subsequently have similar efficiency as any piston powered engine of similar size. And they separation of hydrogen from oxygen is.. really low efficiency, So a realistic number is more, 15%-30% efficiency generating hydrogen, and 20-60% efficiency converting hydrogen into electricity. Or 60% of 30% for a best case, and 20% of 15% for a car sized unit. Batteries are efficent enough to surpass hydrogen by a long shot close to 90 percent as far as storage goes, but they are nowhere near compact, or safe enough to do what we want them to
A bit late for comments, but batteries aren't the only solution for grid level. Ultra High Voltage Direct Current power lines can get power from one side of the planet to the other with less loss than charging a battery. It's always sunny or windy somewhere.
I think batteries should be installed in many housholds so we could storage energy when there is too much of it. When we got many small storages it would be the same or even better like a big one...
If i saw Mr Edison's ghost, I would hug him for designing the power grid, punch him for what he did to Tesla, then probably shout just as you did. Spot on impression of me screaming, by the way Wheezy
The modern power grid is kept in phase using GPS signals. That is, the atomic clocks on GPS satellites send radio signals that are picked up at power stations and are used to time out the alternations of the current. (All the power stations have to be alternating in time with each other) Would Edison understand it?
Nice video as always, but why is the audio very dynamically compressed in this episode? Sounds awful! :/
The problem is that our work schedule and style is out of sync with the forces of nature. We keep swimming against the current, all we have to do is turn around and float with the stream.
The problems of batteries differs between usage scenarios. For example, for a car it is important that they are compact, light, work under large temperature ranges, etc. However, for grid backup batteries in homes and plants, the weight does not play such a big role, also compactness is not really important. Instead they must be freaking cheap to be able to compete with regular plants. The cheaper there are the better the you can model the buy and sell business model around the storage. Also they must sustain many load cycles. Instead of cars you can insulate the battery storage much better. Therefore, temperature is less an issue.
Craig, who did the music for the credits??? I need to know!
Edison was a supporter of DC power and that would have required a power station every 5 or so miles to keep the levels up. Tesla was the supporter of AC. So Edison would have understand it but not be able to run it, it is so much different then his dream. I would like to see someone try to confuse Tesla, he would use his death ray.
I have a question. What if we use current technology to turn excess energy into hydrogen when we don't need it then turn it back to electricity during peak hours? It could be a good step between what we have now and future batteries.
IDK do we really need extremly high density batteries or cheap and living batteries for mass scaling. High density is great for portables, but if we wanna get huge energy storages, it would be much better cheap ones even if they would be big. Lithium is dense, but its expensive and mainly it degrade fast.
i think what i got is your need and is the future of storage
What's that about the already available PowerWall home battery capable of storing 7kw/h reporting a 92% efficiency rating for $3000?
@directionwood
8 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! i hear ya
hello, what is the song playing at the end?
Hot pockets are not food, and they don't even taste good. So I don't understand why I love them.
You need update, looking at Tesla batteries in Australia, and smart grid (virtual power plant) project there.
Why phones has developed so much is because we have put a computer in it (nothing to do with actual telephones). Btw if I would have seen Thomas Edison's ghost in my bedroom I would probably do the same as Craig.
What about new developments in super caps? Far higher density and a fraction of the cost.
I would probably say something along the lines of: AAAAAH!
What do you think about Tesla Power Wall as another possible start to power storage?
I always wondered what happened to the push for Hydrogen creation. I remember several years ago the hydrogen powered car was a big thing that was suppose to help the environment. I don't think it was the right thing for transportation, but why are we not using this extra energy created on off peak hours to create hydrogen that can be used later?
@user-kz3qg1qv2p
7 жыл бұрын
seth davis two words: Big Oil, that's the main reason
@user-kz3qg1qv2p
7 жыл бұрын
seth davis also the possibility for a hydrogen explosion which is another
@callfororion8846
6 жыл бұрын
seth davis Necro post so, sorry for reviving it. Hydrogen, as a fuel, requires more energy to make it than to use it. The electricity required to separate the hydrogen from water (like companies wanted to do) could have been used to directly power a system. To make long short, the output was less valuable than the input.
@hrthrhs
5 жыл бұрын
@@callfororion8846 - that's merely a technological hurdle for hydrogen. It can be overcome. If we can invent more efficient batteries, we can invent more efficient hydrogen generation methods. Hydrogen cars are what we should be going for but battery fanboys won't let us. All the issues hydrogen cars face are merely technological, but the issues battery cars face are not only technological but also practical. For example, it doesn't matter how amazing battery technology becomes - I park my car on the street and don't have a garage. How do I charge my car?
@callfororion8846
5 жыл бұрын
@@hrthrhs Hydrogen is a very useful fuel source, quite undeniably, but like I said in my reply, too much energy is required for the output to be worth it. It's about efficient energy transfer. Nowadays, gasoline and electrically powered cars are the standard for a reaaon. Gasoline is less efficient than battery powered cars but is easy to amass. Battery powered cars use their energy better as there is less wasted on friction and sound, but is difficult to retain charge for long periods of time. You said this in your comment. Hydrogen is different based on the fact that the easiest way to gather it is through electrolysis. The amount of energy required for electrolysis is more than hydrogen, but hydrogen is more volatile. In a perfect scenario the energy transfer would be 1:1, but it isn't. You could say that the same is for aforementioned fuel sources, but it is not for one simple glaring flaw; storage and transport. Hydrogen is a gas, meaning that it needs lots of space. If you try to save space through pressurization then you run into the problem of volatile gas being put into a tight area. This essentially makes an explosive canister. On a commercial scale this could mean serious danger. One stray electrical spark could cause many deaths. Also, if a car containing hydrogen meets sparks caused in an accident through rubbing metal, that causes a large explosion. This same scenario is applied to propane powered cars. A spontaneous fuel leak and someone smoking nearby causes the same effect. While I want a truly clean burning form of fuel/transport, I am skeptical of its efficacy.
who went and said "yeah, that background music is totally not distracting"?