I'm not even interested in plumbing but here I am... And now interested

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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@thomasplummer8103

3 жыл бұрын

I am mostly here because water hammers are awesome and terrible things, depending on how and why they happen.

@rodneythundercock

3 жыл бұрын

I just love human ingenuity. Think of how useful these analog devices are. In the age of computerized everything, it’s easy to forget just how much of that “old” technology we still use all the time.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodneythundercock 💯

@ulogy

3 жыл бұрын

Practical Engineering has an entire video on water (and steam!) hammer. Good stuff.

I installed these in a hospital that vibrated like it would shake itself apart … and they fixed it perfectly !

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Now I know why the wall goes BONK every time I shut off the hot water too quickly. My landlord is too cheap to look at it.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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@howardlam6181

3 жыл бұрын

The entire building (24 floors) of the apartment I lived at got this problem. Every night when people start showering, I hear hammering noises until 12:00am. Can't really sleep until then without putting on my bose qc20.

@ImMora1

3 жыл бұрын

@@howardlam6181 yup. Every time we run a washing machine the pipes just bang like being hammered.

@LFTRnow

3 жыл бұрын

Send them this vid. If they value their building and don't want it water damaged by a burst pipe, this is cheap insurance. Happy tenants also tend to renew, so it pays for itself that way as well. It is very likely they just don't know this is the problem and figure it's no big deal.

@avatar1867

3 жыл бұрын

@@nateman10 10s of thousands of dollars. Probably costs 5 to 10 dollars for the PVC version of this. Most plumbing is PVC now. One or two of these installed would probably suffice for a large house. Installation would be relatively cheap. If I was a landlord I would play dirty. There are easy ways to evict someone and there are hard ways. Sometimes you gatta stop playing fair.

When I was a kid, we were at the end of a 5 mile long, 24 inch gravity fed irrigation pipe for the farm. We would have to change the pipe twice per day, which would involve opening and closing that valve. My dad strictly warned us to close the valve slowly and to watch the pressure gauge carefully, especially when we closed it. It normally ran at 130 psi, (household is about 40 psi) but if you closed it too quickly, you could see spikes at 200 psi or more. Shortly after I went off to college, my dad sold the place. The next year, he showed me an article in the paper where that pipe burst and caused some $200 k in damages. We knew exactly what happened.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Ouchhhh

Dude your animation has stepped up to the next level, good stuff

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Khaled thank you so much, I really appreciate your comment, the animations are what take time in these videos and I know they help with understanding what I am talking about, very happy you noticed that, have a great day buddy!

@bridgetteallen3708

4 жыл бұрын

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@victor9501

3 жыл бұрын

@@bridgetteallen3708 Eh??

@AR-bd5hb

3 жыл бұрын

Nice animation. In Australia houses should be 500kpa anything above damages internals of plumbing parts. If there is water hammer we put pressure reducing valves this gets rid of most water hammer and damages of water pressure above 500kpa

As someone who has no plumbing experience and is thinking of changing careers late in my life, I greatly appreciate the visual (pipe cut in half) and explanation of how it works. Thank you.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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I think you just saved me from a hell lot of fixes and expenses, because my homes plumbing system is crap. Every time I shut a valve or tap, there is a painful to hear sound like demolishing buildings

We had this problem at my work, whenever they used a pressure washer and released the trigger, the hose connector at the water outlet would spray a bit and a loud bang be heard within the wall. As soon as I noticed it, I told the technicians about it. Nothing was done. Two pressure washers started leaking within one week. They bought another version. The water outlet started leaking. They changed it and put a stronger seal. Some months later, water was coming out of the walls on the other side. As they were tearing the wall down I just had to say "If only someone had told you about this before".

@daibhiseaghdha153

2 жыл бұрын

were these technicians awake, or were they cardboard cutouts ? if they did nothing, then they should be called " ornaments " as ornaments are there on show, but have no functionality. I once used a pressure washer, and my neighbour knock at my front door, to say it was shaking their water pipes about, we had a shared mains water supply, so I fill a clean dust bin up with water, open to atmospheric air pressure, put the water supply hose into the dust bin of water one end, and connected the supply hose to the jet washer after getting the air out of it, and it worked without any problems, it was isolated from the mains water supply, the jet washer sucked in the water by it self.end of problem. well a quich solution.

@BadfingerFan

2 жыл бұрын

You can save your plumbing pipes and pressure washers by always, or nearly always, having the pressure washer's sprayer trigger in the ON position. If you want to stop using the pressure washer, shut it down by turning off the motor while the water is still spraying out. Result: no more water hammer nor pressure washer wear and tear. When you begin using a pressure washer, first always have the pressure washer trigger in the on position. Once you have it in the on position, then, and only then, turn on the motor.

@RollingEasy

11 ай бұрын

My home clothes washer. The pipe went by and under the wooden flooring of the kitchen. It became nicked with the hammering over time and so the entire floor boards became warped with being damp underneath and dry on top. Took a long time to dry and the outside wall needed to be opened to get access to the pipe.... An absolute pain of a job and all could have been saved with an arrester.... Don't anyone risk it without one on all valves other than perhaps just hand taps. Even then you ask everyone to turn them off slowly.

I am a plumber since 1977, master license MP 4125 state of Arkansas, formerly Texas master license as well. makes a nice video but not entirely true. O-rings wear out. shock arresters should be installed primarily in commercial applications where they are accessible and never in walls. they are a mechanical device, they wear out, thats why they must be accessible. 99% of residential plumbing in america has never has shock arrestors and does not need them.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

They will eventually wear out for sure, but they are cycle tested 500,000 times, so it give us an good idea for how long they last.

@ChadLuciano

3 жыл бұрын

@@Got2Learn < less than 15 yrs if you flush, wash clothes, dishes, watering lawn using 100 times per day...that is easy to do.

@johnnyrodriguez2774

3 жыл бұрын

Every new home or older home that has been remodeled or re-piped in Texas is required to have hammer arresters. You won’t get a final without them.

@chrish4439

3 жыл бұрын

Had to scroll way too far down for this comment. While all the technical info in this video is basically true, the title and calling it mandatory is HORRIBLY misleading. Never once seen these in a a house and never once seen an issue because they weren't there 🤦‍♀️

@hamjudo

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrish4439 They are mandatory where I live. There are a pair of them installed in my house behind the clothes washer. They are required by a township ordinance. My township is somewhat less than 100 square kilometers. Travel 10 km in any direction, and you will be in a different jurisdiction, and the laws will probably be different.

In industrial plants this is commonly used with oil lines, lubricant or hydraulic. It is called accumulator. It is filled with nitrogen gas inside a bladder, it is supposed to maintain the header pressure and avoid line hammering due to pressure sudden drops or sudden raise.

I have a house that has some pretty bad banging pipes, what I found from experimentation and reading some plumbing forums is that the closer to the valve the better. I have had arrestors placed both near to the shutoff for a washing machine and also directly placed in the inlet for the washing machine. In the configuration where the arrester was close to the inlet for the washing machine hammer was eliminated completely. Also, in the video above you show the size A 652-A arrestor which works much better than their 'washing machine' variant of size 'AA'. Based on my experience so far I wouldnt ever get a mini-rester as Sioux Chief calls them. The Size A unit is tested at a life cycle of 500,000 cycles and 20,000 shock cycles, if you look at the different arresters available on the market make sure to look at the O-ring material and the piston material.

Very cool. As a young man I had run across “dead end T joints” while doing remodel demos.. Now I know what they were, and why they were there. Subscribe!

Wow excellent, excellent educational video. No music. Clear and simple to understand. Quality graphics! 👍👍👍

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! Thank you so much @GG me, please share if you can it helps tremendously!

@MemoGrafix

3 жыл бұрын

and no story telling

Our local volunteer fire department sometimes uses a fire hydrant outside of their building. Sometimes they open it wide open and the water pressure drops a bit. The problem is that they sometimes shut it too quickly. It seems like the last 3 times they did this, it would send pressure surging down the line and we'd see some damage at either water meters or some joints under the ground. Each time the water company would fix it and the volunteer fire department acted like they knew nothing.

@doneown503

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's the "Shult-zee", perfected by Sgt.Shutz from Hogans Heros fame.

@woohunter1

3 жыл бұрын

I know a retired water co. Worker that was flushing hydrants one day, and closed the valve a little faster than he should’ve, blew another hydrant 3 blocks down the street!

@bent4firefighting

3 жыл бұрын

Yah. The fire department I work for trains us not to do that. Apparently one of our stations destroyed all the fittings for a farms irrigation system once😶

@scottbc31h22

3 жыл бұрын

It can also cause the water main to hammer and recoil and hammer and recoil... Very hard to stop.

you are a terrific educator, especially as you know what you are talking about, unlike alot of others, who give misinformation, which in turn causes unnecessary problems, like " the blind leading the blind " I appreciate your goodness in sharing " hands on " experience, and plumbing principles and practice.

@Got2Learn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a million!

I hate asking multiple questions but you explain them so much better and simple 💯

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks @Kingeli A. !

you have seriously invested a ton of time in this video!!! WOW MAN! sooo happy for you and your results. great job again!

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton, yes a ton of time isn't even the word hehehe, have a great day Eric!!!!!!!

Dunno if you remember, but a few weeks ago I asked about low flow in my shower. You said it was probably clogged or bad cartridges. You were right. I disassembled them and the cold water valves were clean but the hot water valves were a mess with mineral deposits. I have private well water and always knew my water was hard, and learned that hot water causes the minerals in hard water to deposit. So I installed a water softener on the cold water line going to my furnace and cleaned my hot water fixture valves. So now I'll be curious to see how well it keeps the hot circuits clear of deposits. Thanks for the tip 👍

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, glad it worked out and I hope the softener helps reduce the deposits, yeyyy!

@richardharris492

4 жыл бұрын

Water softener does absolutely nothing for deposits!! You need an iron filter and a water test to determine what size

I just installed on both houses per code, did not know what they were for. Now I know. Thank you

Thank you, people underestimate issues regarding hydrostatic pressure and just how high momentary pressure spikes can go. This was well done and very informative.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing :)

Now you can appreciate the technical challenges faced by pipelines with dozens of miles of flow being stopped

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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@uski

3 жыл бұрын

How do they do it? Do they install big storage tanks to collect all the excess flow when they want to stop it ?

@Davidjune1970

3 жыл бұрын

@@uski emergency shutdown valves and other isolation valves have long closure times so flow is stopped gradually. For unavoidable scenarios they have over pressure relief devices that will open to relieve pressure to a low pressure area like a storage tank.

@not1au

3 жыл бұрын

With the trash they put into the water you might as well have sewage coming out your faucets. That's the reason plastic bottled water exists the idiots at the municipal water departments have made it unpotable.

@uski

3 жыл бұрын

@@not1au : it's up to you if you want to drink microplastics from the bottles themselves. I do agree that some municipal water is unsafe - but not all of it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6141690/

I learned something today, I will implement this in my home ASAP even if the piping is made of highly forgiving hdpe. And you might learn something today, too: copper metal and oxides are very good bactericides and fungicides. They also kill or inhibit some nematodes and larvae. No worries about stuff growing in the copper pipes.

@yontron3692

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Right!

WELL, IM 78 YRS. OLD AND I LEARNED SOMETHING. MAKES A LOT OF SENCE TO ME. I HAVE SEEN THOSE DEAD LEGS IN WALLS BEFORE, I NEVER THOUGHT WHAT THEY WERE FOR.

@DareTheMachine

3 жыл бұрын

@@Big_AlMC He's 78 years old bro.

@YouLookedLoser

3 жыл бұрын

Neither of you guys are talking about the absolute treasure trove that are his uploads 🤣

@nickskizekers1906

3 жыл бұрын

@@Big_AlMCNeither, he obviously knows that caps lock is cruise control for cool.

@nickskizekers1906

3 жыл бұрын

@@YouLookedLoser Oh wow, treasure trove is one way to put it...that was an adventure down a rabbit hole i dont want to ever take again.

Practical engineering did an awesome demo of a water hammer from quickly turning off water where pressure goes from 60psi to a sudden 200psi in a split second for just turning off water

Great video. Well written and edited, gets right to the point, and is efficient in its explanation. No BS.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

Great video! Thank you so much for explaining this. The graphics were outstanding.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!!

I didn't even know this thing existed. This explains why I have this noise sometimes when I use my fridge water dispenser. Thanks for the info

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to help :)

This channel is by far the best when it comes to plumping issues.

@Got2Learn

2 жыл бұрын

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I think you may of solved an issue at my families business that no one knew this could of been the cause. In the employee hallway that runs a good length of the building there are 2 major water pipes that run most of the length. For some reason in the past couple of years there’s been a noticeable shake in one of the pipes that would happen periodically. They thought the straps were loose or it needed more reinforcement. Now I know what the cause is thanks to this video!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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another tip to prevent some hammering on faucet and some toilets is to put a restrictor or inline 1/4 ball valve half closed between the line and angle valve.. when the tap is open it creates a pressure differential across the restrictor when the tap closes it takes a few milliseconds for the pressure to equalize.. even turning the angle a few turns in to restrict some of the flow

Thanks KZread algorithm I'd of never seen this without you. Also very informative and well presented!

I’ve been successfully using Zurn Shoktrol Water Hammer Arrestors for 40 years; highly recommended. Very easy to install with basic plumbing skills.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Funny how I used to think that water hammer was due to the inertia of water which weighs a kilo per liter travelling down a pipe very quickly and coming to a halt suddenly and having nothing to dampen the shock. But now I know that it's actually due to the water being deflected back up the pipe like a tennis ball. I guess you learn something new every day

In work they have a sink and an instant water heater fitted. For whatever reason they fitted a pressure gauge on the cold pipe. Well if you turn the tap on and of quickly/violently you can see the water pressure reading on the gauge almost double.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what a water hammer is, the pressure spikes up and could really damage your system, good example here.

This was very informative and well produced and under 4 minutes to boot. Thank you!

Thanks so much. We have an LG washer and really needed 2 of these. Prior to viewing your video, I wasn’t aware they existed. I’ve learned a lot from you.

@Got2Learn

Ай бұрын

Sweet! Try installing them as close as you can to the machine in question and it should make a difference, thanks!!!

That was informative, thanks! For the record, water *is* compressible (or else sound couldn't travel through water), but its compressibility is much much smaller than air.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Yes water is compressible, just not enough to say it is, but interesting point there @MH, thanks!

@jamesengland7461

3 жыл бұрын

Only gases dissolved in water are compressible; not the water itself. Water is so incompressible that if a piston engine ingests water, or even too much fuel, it can break the pistons and rods- in a high performance car engine.

@mikehagerty9666

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesengland7461 Okay, but water (like all fluids) IS compressible, though as I said, much less so than gases (including air). It's not the gases dissolved in water, but simple, pure water is compressible.

Stand pipe anti-hammer devices work way longer than "a few weeks" as was stated, generally a year or more before , GASP, a little maintenance is required! Simply shut off water main valve and open both faucets to drain the system to get the water out of the stand pipe. Properly sized, installed, and maintained these will last as long as the rest of the copper piping. Hard water deposits destroy the manufactured air chamber types and need replacement no matter what you do. How long depends on the degree of hardness in the water. There is a very remote chance of bacteria breeding in this stagnant water and the manufactured units also have an amount of stagnant water, just less. The manufactured water hammer arrestors are required because people have become lazy and stupid. Same reason many cars have sealed transmissions, people are lazy and stupid. Your videos are great and informative, this one just leaves out quite a few facts to justify using a product that will fail because of its design and need an expensive replacement, sometimes in a few short years.

@jcwoods2311

3 жыл бұрын

@some guy Used to work just fine. Hospitals have maintenance staff. My response was primarily directed at residential though.

I’m planning on buying a home within a year , so I’m watching videos like this. I’ll be back with an update. Hello & Good luck to all my 1st time home owners out there WE GOT THIS

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!

Well made video. I knew about water hammers but wanted a refresher on the inside of an arrestor, so this was just the thing. Thanks

@Got2Learn

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Interesting. Can't say why exactally, but this isn't used here in Brazil, and we don't have the problem with noise in the Pipes. Maybe for lack of preasure.

@martinwarne7183

3 жыл бұрын

Good point is water pressure. Here in Calgary it's like 90psi.

I sometimes will increase the size of the pipe feeding the branch/fixture to decrease the flow rate helping to reduce the hammer effect.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that also works!

@AlanPlumberBruh

4 жыл бұрын

I was about to say the same thing ! Haha

@inodoroguerrero

4 жыл бұрын

@OK Boomer It all depends on the flow rate and pipe size, you want to increase the size enough to reduce the flow rate but not so much that the water becomes stagnated and grows things.

I am a plumber crew leader and show your channel to my co-workers during lunch when they have questions.

@joshm5816

4 жыл бұрын

This gentleman definitely has great information for teaching.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice of you guys, I really appreciate it :)

Wow...thanks for a really great explanation! I'm a DIYer who does a little bit of plumbing here and there, and this gives me insight into some upcoming work. Cheers

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

Pretty good as an introduction to water hammer, but: If water piping is sized to keep flow velocity below 4 feet per second most water hammer effects are eliminated or greatly reduced. The flow can even be restricted after the quick closing valve with a restricted orifice aerator or other device to reduce flow velocity. Also, a great percentage of newer plumbing is with PEX flexible pipe. PEX is flexible enough to absorb much of the water hammer effects as the surrounding air does the same thing as the trapped air in an air chamber or engineered water hammer arrester. Proper sizing and resilient materials can eliminate the need for air chambers or arresters in most cases.

@ajeebbeliever8857

2 жыл бұрын

I have 1/2" plex pipe installed in the house and every time washing machine or sink shuts I hear bangs in the walls.

@Eggerhexe

Жыл бұрын

@@ajeebbeliever8857 In your case I suspect that it is either not supported in the right places, or has no slack, or both. It should not do that when properly installed. Also from experience I think it's better to move up a size when using PEX compared to metal, which your plumber didn't.

@ajeebbeliever8857

Жыл бұрын

@@Eggerhexe thank you for your reply. It makes sense.

I did one for my sprinkler. The hammer was so bad, the pipes would jump 1/8 inch and hit another pipe. Anyways, I didn't expect it, but it actually helped the whole house.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome ;)

im new to plumbing and loving these videos! thanks for the dummy guides, keep up the great work!

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them, please share if you can it's really appreciated :) Have a great day Michael!!

I'm glad this popped up! I will install these in my mobile home this summer. I greatly appreciate the info!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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ours got started by accident and fixed by accident. we installed a new kitchen faucet to a galvanized pip and problem started . we changed the fixture hot and cold with pex for 20feet and problem got solved .

Years ago I had a toilet that would bang so severely when the fill valve shut off, that the plastic fitting cracked after a few years, and the water leak damaged the walls and ceiling in the room below. After the third time it happened, I turned down the water flow to that toilet, and that worked. If these arresters were available then, I might have installed one. However, I don't see what prevents the gas from slowly leaking past the o-rings, making regular replacement necessary. Regardless, an arrester must cost far less than fixing all that water damage.

@NicJamesDesign

3 жыл бұрын

This comment provided more information on "why water hammer arresters are so important" than the whole video. I already know what they are and how they work, but was wondering what kind of things happen without one

As a building superintendent, this was very informative. Thank you. Subscribed.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Thank you! As a handyman, I always wanted to know what those were! Now I do! 😁

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Well damn, you do learn something new each day!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Hammer is usually an urban problem where water pressure is higher. Rural (well) water systems don't often see this issue because of lower pressure (nom 30 PSI) and the effect is also mitigated by the pressure tank.

@jimkirby9959

3 жыл бұрын

Pressure stress of the plumbing could be reduced by installing a whole-house pressure regulator.

@janegerrard1073

3 жыл бұрын

I see this in well systems all the time, usually in irrigation with long pipe runs of undersized pipework. The shock wave can be easily 10 times the system pressure and it blows the pump in half.

@TKCL

2 жыл бұрын

I lived in the country my entire life, the most common well pressure is in the 50-60 psi range. I've never even seen a pressure switch that topped out at 30 psi.

@scottsatterthwaite4073

2 жыл бұрын

@@TKCL There are two typical pressure switches: 30/50 and 40/60. The 30/50 is the most common setup and 30 psi is the cut-on pressure and 50 psi the cut-off pressure. Nearly all pressure tanks come precharged to 28 psi for this reason. So a typical well system will have an idle pressure between 30 and 50 psi. So, to your point, a well system doesn't "top out" at 30 psi but is still referred to as a "30 psi nominal system". On the other hand, municipal water systems typically deliver anywhere from 45 to 80 psi with 60 psi being the target norm.

Excellent! Better explained than a text book. Thank you…nothing but the best!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Thank you for this. This explains the pipes rattle when my washing machine stops filling.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Thank you I didn’t understand them before this and had no idea that they could cause damage!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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My parents bought a ranch style house built in the 70s. When I come to visit. There is bumping sound of a pipe between the master bedroom bathroom and guest bathroom all day long. And it's not us using water. It's from all the neighborhood. So I guess we need to open up the wall.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, if you want to further investigate., it's most probably that there are no water hammer arresters and that the pipes aren't properly attached to the building, let us know!

@Silonomono

4 жыл бұрын

Use an air chamber, it is more effective and a lot cheaper to install. Once per year you will need to drain your water to refill the air pocket. Hammer arresters are useless for large amounts of water hammer

@scottmccluremcclure3916

4 жыл бұрын

@@Silonomono hahaha Thanks I needed a good laugh

@rupe53

4 жыл бұрын

RICHARD MARTIN ... This is a common problem on a dead end road, with a dead end water main, especially if you are near the end. Extrol makes an expansion tank that can be installed where your supply first enters the house. It's similar to what's used on a common boiler but rated for around 100 psi operating pressure. Inside this small tank looking device is a rubber bladder that holds air and it will outlast any of these things shown in the video above. Another thing to look at is if the water pressure is excessive from the main supply. Anything over 50 - 60 psi range is just asking for water hammer issues.... and it's common to see over 100 psi from a public water main. Installing a pressure regulator might be your first step if this is the case.

@nflores5433

4 жыл бұрын

Pressure to home?

Thank you! This was a great explanation! I need a set of these for my washing machine.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!

I always wondered what those were. I see them all the time in my line of work.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Now you know :)

i told the inspector yesterday thats what the washing machine rubber connect hoses are for !!!! he said ill get back to ya.

Hard water destroys those water hammer then they turn in to dead legs any ways. As long as you strap the pipe correctly u shouldn't he any issue the city has water towers for that reason but great video

@xj31

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense, I used to have to replace them every year or so since they would quit working. My town switched to Lake Michigan water about 3 years ago and I have not had to replace any since.

@rdudeb5058

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@jasonlovell3934

3 жыл бұрын

And most modern plumbing is flexible pvc or pex so it can absorb the shock

@jcwoods2311

3 жыл бұрын

Umm, no. It isn't just the movement of the pipes that damage the joints, it's the localized increase in pressure too. Sometimes as much as 8x the nominal water pressure. Old fashioned stand pipes last as long as the rest of the piping in the house, just need to drain the house system occasionally to get the water out and refill the pipe's air chamber. No one does it anymore, that's why code is being changed. To accommodate stupid lazy people. All manufactured anti water hammer devices will fail no matter what you do.

@rdudeb5058

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcwoods2311 I'm not sure what your saying no too but either way everything plays a factor and yes ppl r lazy its why we have jobs 🙂

Jamás pero jamás había pensado en algo como lo que acaba de publicar. La verdad que un excelente video. Hoy aprendí algo nuevo y muy interesante. Le felicito.

I never even knew what those were. I found one and stayed clear of it lol. Now I know , thanks 😊

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Question: Do these need to be installed at any certain point in the plumbing system, or just somewhere in the house?

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Closest to the banging fixture as you can 👌

I’ve installed this same brand Sioux Chief devices at my washing machine bibs. Problem is the have to be changed out occasionally. In my case over time the piston freezes up inside maybe due to hard water deposits. Also as someone else stated copper is antibacterial so shouldn’t be a problem with stagnant water.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Could be you have super harsh water, gotta get that checked out if you do, any component is exposed to premature failure if it's the case.

4 жыл бұрын

Lime scale build up does that. However, there can be several other factors such as sediment getting embedded in the neoprene seals on the piston, not cleaning flux out after sweating, water pressure not regulated and incorrect install, like crimping the arrestor body. Assuming residential, install a whole home water filter or even a pair. The primary with a basic sediment filt0er and sec2ondary with an activated charcoal filter. This will eliminate sediment and greaty reduce limescale extending the life of seals , appliances, fixtures and devices such as arrestors. Of course, replace damaged components.

@integr8er66

3 жыл бұрын

@Pee Tee A better solution is an empty vertical column of air, then drain your whole system when they stop working and they will work again, but when these fail you must replace them to fix the problem.

Wow! Never even knew what those were called, much less what their purpose was! Fascinating! Thanks so much!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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I love your videos. Informative, descriptive, AND straight to the point.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin!!!!

And dead legs can cause your combi to fire on dhw briefly everytime you turn a cold tap off

I can tell you first-hand at how damaging water hammer can be. Back years ago the Fire Service had Front Mount Pumps on the trucks. Well FF would shutoff a inch and half (1¹/² ) valve without any warning to the pump operator, and kaaabang the shockwave would either blow a valve apart or if you got lucky another hose team would all of sudden be hit with about 150-170 psi. I've seen valves blown off as well as hoses blown apart.

So, that’s why my relatively new water house started to squirt water right before my water heater. Man! I really need to install this WHA.

Amazing ! I had no idea but I have heard the water hammer effect ... now I know a little science behind it ! Merci beaucoup!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Derien 👌👌👌

I don't know why I'm here but I like learning that.

I've been installing these Hydra-Resters recently, where are these recommended to be put? For commercial water closet, lavatories, and urinals they have us put one inbetween the last two fixtures, but for a janitor sink I put one for the hot and one for the cold just like the old air chambers. It seems these are better used one for each fixture.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the more the better but yeah, normally they are installed between the last 2 fixtures.

@smitajky

3 жыл бұрын

Ideally they should be placed close to any solenoid or sudden turn off device. Otherwise there is still a column of water that has nowhere to go. Admittedly even the flexible connection between a lever tap and the wall can absorb enough energy to be quite effective. Any rubber connection in the system can expand under excess pressure absorbing the energy. Another solution would have been to require all solenoids to have a damper so they don't close too quickly. Very feasible.

@cowboybuddhaful

2 жыл бұрын

@@smitajky Can you put them directly on the washing machine? I've seen a few YT videos doing this, but the plastic valves aren't a solenoid

Once more, thank to you for your advices and suggestions.

I did not know. I'm glad I watched & learned. I have had my water service turned off in the past due to lack of funds. When I pay up & the water company(Great Basin, the worse company I've ever delt with) turns the main back on , they give it a quick wide open & it bangs so hard I am surprised it hasn't ruptured a line somewhere. Thanks for the good video.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Interesting, it is equivalent to electrical bypass capacitors. Both are essentially acting as lowpass filters to prevent strong transients in the system!

@rupert274

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed the technical term for water hammer is "hydraulic transient".

Water hammer can also be caused by loose pipes that are not properly secured/strapped down and from excessive water pressure from what I understand.I could be wrong but wouldn't an expansion tank work just as well as water hammer arrestors?Good video by the way.God bless you and yours.

@integr8er66

3 жыл бұрын

Not really unless you put the exp tank at the location of every spigot. in order for this to work it needs to be at the end of the run, otherwise its like putting bumper springs on the rear bumper and then driving forward into a brick wall

@TwinShards

3 жыл бұрын

@@integr8er66 you are right and wrong. take again your rear-spring bumber car smashed into a brick wall then add another car following behind. All the water behind will still take use of the of the air tank, which will still reduce not all but some of the increasing pressure.

@integr8er66

3 жыл бұрын

@@TwinShards Yes I agree, the water before the Exp tank will be cushioned, any after won't. I totally agree with that, so I suppose it would help. To the Victor my good man!

As a water mitigation technician in Alaska where pipe bursts and leaks are stupid common... this is cool. I don’t think I’ve come across a home with this yet. Most are older. Must be why we get so many jobs.

I had water hammer issues in my previous home built in 2007. I installed an expansion tank on the incoming service line and this eliminated the water hammer issues. My new home that we just purchased built in 2016 has hammer arrestors on the washing machine valves.

I took a piss in a 1.5M home I was fixing a few windows in, house was empty up for sale, and the hammering of the pipes went on for about 20 minutes. new owners will be so happy.

@stephanberger3476

3 жыл бұрын

I am 1.93M, that house sounds like hell to me.

Ahh, so _that's_ what a stand pipe was. I remember hearing them referenced in... something when I was a kid.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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@jayztoob

3 жыл бұрын

Not quite. A stand pipe usually refers to a tall, verticle pipe used to provide more uniform pressure to a system, or any pipe that supplies water to a fire-fighting system. It can also be just the verticle supply pipe in a multi-story building. This article refers to a water-hammer arrester, but not a stand pipe.

Great info. I brought the video to our condo admin’s attention cause there’s massive knocking in our bathroom wall when the kitchen faucet is closed, even slowly. They’re not interested claiming water hammers are not destructive. 🤬

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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We bought a 1960s house and modern washing machine. Yup, *intense* water hammer. It only took a few months to cause cause a leak in these old pipes. Now we have flexible pex plumbing that can absorb a little of the shock, and in-line hammer arrestors on the washer lines.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Well I’ll be dipped, you learn something new everyday.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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@LionWithTheLamb

3 жыл бұрын

It's good when a feller can learn on some stuff.

Where were you at when I first started planning! Haha great stuff brother.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Hehe, sorry I couldn't be there to help, but now I am here to stay, thanks for the nice comment!!!!

Seen them! Never knew what they were/are, or what they are for! Knowledge, a wonderful thing!

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Pleasure is all mine John, have a great day!

So educational as always 👏🏻👏🏻😍😍😍 thanks Got2learn, the best !

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😃

Great animations. 1 Unanswered question. What is the optimum location and alignment of the arrester? I think near the hammer causing device and in a straight line with the bulk of the flowing fluid (without having to turn 90degrees etc.) Anything else means the initial hammer shock wave has to bounce back from the hammer causing device to reach the arrestor. Just a thought. Schaun

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

Closest to the banging fixture as you can 👌

I have never seen one installed in Texas where are this used

@macker007

4 жыл бұрын

So that’s why when I turn on the water I hear a knock and the water slows to a trickle.

@integr8er66

3 жыл бұрын

Inertia is the same everywhere, so these are not regional, they should be installed in every house at very least at the washer spigots.

Dude I love your videos. I learned to solder copper pipes overnight because of you, my dad would never teach me, said it was some inherited skill he'd gotten from his father... lol. I did it your way and my joints look better than his did. God rest his soul I wish he was here to see it.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

That is awesome, and so sorry for your loss :(

@janemorong4970

3 жыл бұрын

@@Got2Learn It's okay. He's out of his pain now. I miss him but I'm at peace with it.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Thanks for this... Have always been aware of that right angled air chamber method. Did not realize they became less effective as air ran out, plus collector of bacteria - Yikes!

It’s hard to believe that the aresters o-rings will last longer than air chambers.

@xiro6

3 жыл бұрын

i think the problem on the air chamber is the soldered cap,that will leak the air with time, but the arrester is a continuous cup. anyway,maybe shutting off the water and draining the water should "reset" all the air chambers on the system.

@paolobramucci3609

3 жыл бұрын

@@xiro6 If that would be the case, then you would know, because being on a pressurized line, it would be leaking water. It is as the video explains, over time the flow of water up and down the pipe absorbs the air inside it. Remember when you sometimes open a tap to pour yourself a glass of water, without letting it run a bit and you look at the glass to see that the water looks cloudy due to having a lot of fine bubbles in it. That is an example of water that has absorbed air that was it the line, as it was passing through. As for the synthetic o-rings, while they do wear away over time, in this application, it will literally be a lifetime, if not more. The reason is that they tampon moves very little in actual usage, as well, the wet surface of the tube acts as a lubricant that mitigates the friction between the two surfaces. Lastly, most of the time the change and oscillation in line pressure is not significant enough to cause it to move, so unlike a shock absorber on a car, which is essentially built and operates in the same manner, as the hammer arrester, they are dormant for most of their time in use. Nor, by being inside a dark sealed tube are the materials affected by UV light or ozone, which can also cause the materials of the tampon to deteriorate over time.

@uski

3 жыл бұрын

This is why it might be a good idea to replace the water hammer arresters after a few years. And when you do so, open them to check if it was needed or not. If it was, increase the replacement frequency. If it was not, decrease it. There could be more scientific ways to see if it's necessary or not such as trying to heat the top of the arrester and seeing if you are able to heat it quickly (no water) or not (water). This should be easy to do with a lighter and a thermocouple. Fun science project !

@robertlaw4073

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing has an infinite service life. Even a soldered joint that is holding pressure with no leak at start of service, if not done right, can fail in weeks / months / very few years. I am sure it is easier to get a life expectancy number on these commercially produced devices, than to try to figure out a replacement time for a field constructed dead leg.

@hahahano2796

3 жыл бұрын

They don't. Severe water hammer with too short of a pipe is what will draw air out of the stand pipe in the form of very small bubbles. Although, one can inject air into the lines on purpose and refill the stand pipe as it will capture some of the air (bubbles) passing. It's a solution looking for a problem.

“Some objects and liquids are compressible” - all liquids are incompressible, at least hydraulically speaking. Scientifically speaking a liquid’s compressibility is the same as the inverse of it’s bulk modulus, so water is one of the most “compressible” of liquids while as say liquid mercury is one of the least. For example, putting water under pressure at 500 bar actually does reduce the volume of the water by about 2%.

@LKRaider

3 жыл бұрын

Aren’t some solid materials more compressed than the liquid for the same element? Meaning some liquid materials should be compressible into their solid counterparts?

@SpiraSpiraSpira

3 жыл бұрын

@@LKRaider yes, it depends on the phase diagram for the liquid but for example you can definitely compress water into ice at temperatures higher than freezing. Can google ice 6 or ice 7. Can get ice at high pressure (1 gigapascal) at up to like 300 kelvin or 80 something F.

@dennischavez7503

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t a liquid that was gas saturated be compressible? Seems pedantic to ask, but gas saturation levels could add a degree of compressibility to any permeable liquid in a closed system like say a brewery or soft drink bottling application.

@SpiraSpiraSpira

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennischavez7503 I would think it would be the opposite, if you saturate a liquid with solutes then you’re filling the empty intermolecular spaces with solids, gases or other liquids. if you compress a liquid youre pushing the molecules next to each other and filling the intermolecular spaces that way. but I guess I’m not 100% sure. intuitively I dont think youre right, though. it seems like except for volume an already compressed liquid and a saturated liquid would be very similar.

I really learned something this evening. Thanks, G2L.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Mission accomplished for me, glad I was able to help out, thanks Bob!

Very well explained. Thank you!

I’ve been plumbing for 49 years and never used one, and never had a problem, I was a maintenance man over 365 units.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

If you have low pressure, you won't need any.

4 жыл бұрын

@@Got2Learn but why the hell don't you install pressure regulator right next to water meter? You install it once and it works for 10+ years.

@Got2Learn

4 жыл бұрын

Because I like pressure lol?

@stephenroberson7908

4 жыл бұрын

@@Got2Learn I have 80psi in the house and it doesn't have one hasn't had one in 30 years so not necessary.

well, now that makes sense, instead of basic reasons others give, "just because code said so" with no explanation as to why it changed.

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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Yep. I learned the old method and until I watched this video, I had no idea that I needed to replace my dead legs with real air hammers. Thanks

@Got2Learn

3 жыл бұрын

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