It would be better, if you showed the different images between tilt shift lense vs just tilting the whole camera

@AryanWirawan

4 ай бұрын

Agree.

@masondavid8398

4 ай бұрын

Fr

@gdjaybee742

4 ай бұрын

I was like pay XXXX amount for a lens, or just tilt/move the damn camera. Hello! what do you think your viewer would chose? Because I never saw the difference in images tilt shift lens vs just tilting the camera, honestly this is still what I think - why not just tilt/move the camera.

@whizkidCA

4 ай бұрын

Or just moving the camera up

@danielfearn6076

4 ай бұрын

@@gdjaybee742there is a huge difference. If you move the camera, the focal plane of the camera is tilted so the image of the house is distorted. Using a shift lens, the focal plane of the camera remains perfectly vertical so the vertical lines in the house are not distorted.

Why dont you just move the house down?

@zachbrown7272

4 ай бұрын

this guy is going places.

@Teasebag

4 ай бұрын

you have the makings of a Producer

@Dreizify

4 ай бұрын

Theoretically, it can be possible. Although it would certainly be expensive

@futoenjoyer

4 ай бұрын

or the photographer can just float and take the photo midair

@nimimerkillinen

4 ай бұрын

maybe the tribe that moves the ship in Fizzcaraldo

I read from professionals they essentially put you on a 50ft ladder, to which people just say ‘buy a $100 ladder instead of a $1000 lens’ but then here I am, not looking like an idiot on a 50ft ladder

@resiyun

5 ай бұрын

Getting a tripod on a ladder isn’t very easy. Most real estate shots are before sun rise or after sun set. Usually you’ll be stopped down to f/8 - f/16 and iso will be 100. This means usually there’s not enough light to hand hold a shot even with IBIS

@leonarddaneman810

5 ай бұрын

I saved $100 on a ladder by using Transform in Photoshop.

@Knoxvillemoto

5 ай бұрын

I would say to those people in 2024 you would be hard pressed to find a 10 ft ladder for $100

@dobbsgraphica4988

4 ай бұрын

If you were up a ladder you would get a different viewpoint, you would be above the porch. Completely different image.

@leonarddaneman810

4 ай бұрын

I used a ladder once to photograph a large family reunion with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. That was the only way to get them all in the picture . . . the ladder did add 'a few steps' to taking the photo.

Should have tilted the camera to compare the distorted image

@Apexseals87

4 ай бұрын

thats not how shift works on a lens. it doesnt distort the image. what it does do, it shifts the image circle so that the part of the lens that does see the top of the house, is now hitting the sensor. you're thinking of the tilt portion, which he doesnt seem to be using at all.

@DerMarkus1982

4 ай бұрын

@@Apexseals87 It is *tilting the camera* which distorts the image; it introduces (a) vanishing point/s. Using a Tilt & *Shift* lens avoids that phenomenon. What OP meant is "Take a *distorted* picture with a *tilted-up camera* for comparison."

@Apexseals87

4 ай бұрын

@@DerMarkus1982 no, its not. i use tilt and shift with my large format camera and lenses. they're two separate movements. you can see it in his lens as well. one knob has T, and one knob has S. one is tilt, one is shift. you dont get both in one.

@harrison00xXx

4 ай бұрын

@@Apexseals87i have seen tilt and shift lenses tho with both

@mattah

4 ай бұрын

​​@@Apexseals87he's not saying tilt the lens (which is what you are doing on your large format camera), he's saying tilt the entire camera, so that you can see the comparison between using a shift lens vs tilting the entire camera (which will distort the image).

I started taking pictures around 14 years old, begged for a DSLR and my loving parents got me one at 15... When I got my first job I spent crazy money on lenses, maybe 40% of my income... I always wanted a tilt shift camera so bad. I resorted to using editing to make it happen as that was much cheaper, and I often added grain to the images as I love grain. I know digital grain and tilt shift lens plugins don't equal real film or tilt shift... but dude. The creativity and joy I got from it, what I learned about aesthetics, what I learned about myself, what brings me joy.... can't be replaced. If I had really spent that 2k on a tilt shift lens though man... I probably blew it on hot wings and beers LOL. Also back in the mid 2000s taking a DSLR to a restaurant, me and my friends always got A+ treatment. One time I took it into a Texas Roadhouse just to photograph the vibes, and the manager came out to make sure everything was 100% to our liking LOL... I stopped taking the camera to places after that, at least food establishments, I felt so bad thinking I was going to give them some kind of review in a professional forum.

This is why “shifting” is important for perspective control. These lenses are also commonly referred to as “Perspective control” lenses. The tilt aspect is hardly needed in small format photography, and was a carry over from the function needed to increase depth of field in landscape photography when shooting large format film. It’s not really that necessary with focus stacking abilities in digital, however can still be beneficial although I’ve only used it a handful of times in my wide angle TSE lenses

@Malphorus

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like a have and not need sitch.

@countvondutchessofwestmoor3974

4 ай бұрын

@@Malphorus by far, they definitely accel in large formatce

@harrison00xXx

4 ай бұрын

No need or even possibility for that if your imaging circle of the lens fits the sensor. AS ITS INTENDED. Like this you would just make a wider image and then crop into this corner you are shifting the lens

For those that are still confused: most lenses create and image circle ⭕️ ▪️that is bigger than the sensor/film imaging plane by only a small degree. Perspective control/TS (tilt shift) lenses create a much larger image circle than the sensor/film image plane it is designed to be shot on so that the mechanism of the lens can be manipulated to access that area. So a 24mm lens is actually creating an image circle that would be suitable for a much larger format than 35mm, so you can access that by shifting the lens. The benefit of this is you can keep your camera level and not angle the lens up or down, that way the lines will Remain vertical and you will avoid key-stoning, which is undesirable and not how a structure would Look on a drawing, ie: how it was designed. An alternative is to shot extremely wide, and crop.

@clayc5929

5 ай бұрын

Oh yea man we totally get it now

@Carrillophotography

5 ай бұрын

Ahhhh okay! I understand it now. Thank you for explaining 🙌🏽

@ahmedhafiz2419

5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@angrybikers

4 ай бұрын

Thanks!, But couldn't you just get a taller tripod?

@dobbsgraphica4988

4 ай бұрын

Nice explanation. I often use a very wide, then crop the foreground. The number of people who say "climb up a ladder..."

For all the people saying that you dont need it you can just correct int afterwards or fly a drone instead: They are necessary under some conditions. There are places where you can not fly a drone. Also a Drone will be from an elevated postion to archive this. I for example need ground shots. Furthermore how high do you need to fly to get this with a Skyscraper. Not quiet usable. As for using a wide angle: Using correction after the shot means loosing image quality wich is not quiet what I and other working pros want. This is not a fun lens, this is a money making lens. That´s why it is expensive. For most hobby work you wont ever need it, I agree. A Pro in some fields will buy it without hesitating. Source: I am a working industrial photographer. Without a TS-Lens I would basically be out of my job. Sure this is a very niche lens for a niche area of photography. On the other hand I do not need something like a normal 80mm or 200mm ever. They can cost just as much.

@jklasfjkl

4 ай бұрын

I think that's a bit exaggerated. If you've got a 60mp sensor and use a wide angle and crop you probably still got enough pixels. maybe not for all jobs but still.

What if a crocodile starts chasing my dog?

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

Wack it with your tripod

@tecnogadget2

5 ай бұрын

That lens must be hefty, use it as a weapon

@bons244

4 ай бұрын

You record the situation for a viral content

@DerMarkus1982

4 ай бұрын

You'd have a Doggodile...

@nstg8

4 ай бұрын

Did you reply to the wrong video?

You haven’t really done any explaining, mate. The comments filled the gaps quite nicely though.

I’d like to see this shot wide and then have the geometry straightened in Lightroom for comparison. Cool trick!

which is why large format film is actually still extremely good for architecture photography. all lenses that project a larger image circle than what your film size is, can be used as a tilt shift lens. on top of that, you can tilt or shift the rear standard where the film is, to correct for perspective.

Dam you are so close to the house, it’s amazing what a difference a longer lens makes further away, get allot less distortion and you arnt looking up at the house. You can also achieve what a tilt shift does with a monopod holding the camera above your head

Alternatively most trippds have a function that raises the camera to

Reminds me of using my Omega 4x5 camera. I loved that camera, but handling the film and developing it was a real chore.

Simple and nicely done. Thank you!

“How to make tiny rooms look huge without people catching on till they do a showing”

@VGMO17

4 ай бұрын

nah that's done with a non-fish eye super wide angle

@lordshitpost31

4 ай бұрын

That’s what a super wide lens does, tilt shift keeps perspective intact

@John-xk2uz

4 ай бұрын

Actually the exact opposite lol

I’ve read about tilt shift lenses so much and it still breaks my brain how they work

Important to know that the perspective you get is not as if your camera was in the same orientation but higher. That would be impossible unless you are taking a picture of something 2D. This is equivalent to tilting your camera up but stretching the picture in a way to make the vertical lines parallel again.

@Monkehrawrrr

4 ай бұрын

Do it in post…

@no_tread_

4 ай бұрын

@@Monkehrawrrr That is what I was thinking. I would guess that a lot of people don't use Photoshop or other apps?

@JuneNafziger

4 ай бұрын

@@no_tread_photoshop can compensate for lens warp, but then you lose visual fidelity and it gets cropped in, when you’re doing this it gets you a better end product for less work, for just an investment that’s probably worth it when you’re doing this professionallyZ

@karolybanfai5852

4 ай бұрын

That’s not true. It is actually if like you’re position the camera higher . shift lenses basically a medium format lenses (ie:with a bigger image circle) so when you shift them the image circle still covers the sensor

@EGL24Xx

4 ай бұрын

@karolybanfai5852 sorry, but you are incorrect. The second part is true, you could achieve the same result with a wide angle lens and cropping. However, just consider a little thought experiment. Say you take a picture of a fence and the camera is high enough to see something behind the fence. When you drop the camera down it cannot see what is behind the fence, even when you use the shift function to make the fence posts all vertical. The lens simply doesn't receive the information about the object behind the fence. You can then apply this to a whole house. There will be information and perspectives on all sorts of stuff that cannot be recreated from a shifted position.

Great tip and demonstration!

Interesting, thank you for posting this.

So cool, did'nt know that was physicaly possible. I use perspective correction all the time when doing 3d render

Can’t you do this in Lightroom?

@Mad_Snow

4 ай бұрын

Yesn’t… you can but you would loose information on the right and left side because of the (in this case positive) distortion. The upper part would be stretched to both sides so your right angled image would become smaller

@darthhull85

4 ай бұрын

@@Mad_Snowunless you’re pixel peeping, nobody will care.

@skrobie

4 ай бұрын

@@darthhull85also a decent cropping no?

@ForTheViolence

4 ай бұрын

Yes, just make sure to shoot a little wider to compensate for the crop.

@Mad_Snow

4 ай бұрын

@@darthhull85 im talking about crop…

Should actually tilt the tripod so we can compare the shots a and see how angled the verticals get

i have a 12mm laowa zero D... so my line are straight when i shoot with it... how a tilt shift would help me ? (legit question) if i tilt up there is still zero distortion with this lens, but it can look wierd perspectives the tilt shift would help in that case ?

@Bradscottvisuals

2 ай бұрын

Yes it helps with perspective correction which is especially helpful with interior photography as well as with taller buildings

You can also do it in post, whatever lens you have will do the deal

Damn finally a video that is simple and makes sense. Ive watched a couple KZread explanations and this is way more concise.

Sorry for the noob question, but can't you achieve the same image by shooting wider and cropping the bottom part of the image out?

@djaa7

2 ай бұрын

His explanation was absurd. The lens is used to bend the image, removing the vertical or horizontal bend the lens adds. It has nothing to do with framing. It was a terrible example. No matter how you frame a regular lens, there will be distortion of straight lines. There was absolutely no reason to point the lens at the floor and claim the shift or tilt is used for framing. So no, a regular lens will still do this no matter the framing or height of the camera. And a wide lens makes the distortion worse. Think fisheye lens. Tilt shifts are also used for artistic purposes. Not just for corrections of straight lines. For example, it can be used to make far away towns look miniature. Especially if shot top down. Im video, we use them to shoot mirror scenes. So we can shoot over a shoulder of an actor, but the camera will not show up in the reflection. Rent one and try it out. Those are the 3 purposes of this lens. Maybe you can find an artistic 4th reason.

@Meclesky07

2 ай бұрын

@@djaa7 This

@Meclesky07

2 ай бұрын

@@djaa7 can move the depth of field in extra dimensions

@djaa7

2 ай бұрын

@@Meclesky07 i feel like what you are trying to explain is how the miniature town effect is created. Or am i misunderstanding you?

Some people complaining about not being able to see the differences between tilting the camera and using the lens. If you don’t understand what tilting the camera does to your picture, you have no business trying to buy this lens. It isn’t for you.

If you like tilt shift, you should get a Olympus omd camera, my em5ii have in camera tilt shift function, so I can choose any Lens and still can apply tilt shift compensation, without the need to buy expensive/heavy/limited choice of tilt shift lens😂

Is this the same as what I've heard called a tilt & pan lens or is this a similar but subtly different lens?

You could do a pano or you do get a wide angle lens ? Or you could step back or you could get 24mm lens or you could just use 50mm and step back.

sorry to ask, new to t&s lenses here, but how about we put the camera to higher place? is there any difference?

@Bradscottvisuals

4 ай бұрын

Sure that would work but that’s not always possible

@elnitram4313

4 ай бұрын

It's still a slightly different perspective.

Wouldnt using a highest stand or placing the stand on top of something have the same effect? Hmmm... then again. Might speed up the process for some I guess.

How is different from adjusting the perspective in post?

@nexuhs.

4 ай бұрын

It's the same, it just doesn't crop on this lens

I use this effect on my speed graphic a lot

We can do the digital déformation. But it's better to keep full resolution.

What program you’re using to make captions, please tell me

Hey I'd like to know what filter do use on that Tse lens?

Cool.

Its a great time to be alive.

WHICH lens did you use?

Tilt shift lenses always look like magic to me.

@DerMarkus1982

4 ай бұрын

Don't worry; it's just Optics. Science. AKA people using their think-bins.

How is this better than just pointing up?

@wldktz1

6 ай бұрын

With this composition you would have to move back to account for cropping the image to adjust the verticals. That’s going to change the perspective.

@lucasmaniccia5132

5 ай бұрын

And helps give a more realistic perspective on pictures

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

You would lose field of view and have to crop the image to correct perspective if you just tilted up. You can also get weird lens distortion when tilting up

@bailey2517

5 ай бұрын

​@@Bradscottvisuals but wouldn't the perspective be from the same position? It's not like the camera is actually moving, it's just changing the angle, so how would the picture be and different? I'm really struggling to understand how this matters at all.

@nikolaihedler8883

4 ай бұрын

The key is keeping the focal plane (the image sensor) aligned with the vertical lines. If you tilt the camera, all the vertical lines (corners of the building) will be distorted (third perspective point) whereas keeping the camera level and using this type of lens keeps the vertical lines parallel and undistorted.

You explained the shift part, but not the tilt part. Laowa makes a shift only lens I believe

I’m a beginner photography student in college and have never seen this device. Is there a way that you can show an image using tilt shift versus simply adjusting the camera angle and moving back? Whats the difference in the image and vertical lines? I’d image that tilting the camera would cause vertical lines to angle towards the center?

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

It causes an effect called keystoning where the vertical lines converge like you said coming towards each other at the top of the frame. Tilt shift lenses help correct perspective

@alpwaX

5 ай бұрын

Tilt shift lenses also make the subject look more focused. makes the top and bottom blurred out.

@leo_hoang

5 ай бұрын

There are ways to fix the converging lines in post via Photoshop, Lightroom or whatever photo editing software you use. Or you can shoot ultra wide and crop into that section you need. I don’t know of a Tilt-Shift wider than 24mm, so you could shoot wider at 14mm and crop into the top section. Both methods degrade quality… so I would only feel Tilt-Shift is required for very specific high end projects… if you’re a beginner, I wouldn’t be too worried just yet as they’re relatively expensive lenses…

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

Canon makes a 17mm tilt shift lens. But yes tilt shift lenses are for pros that are making money with their photography. They run $2k +

@leo_hoang

5 ай бұрын

@@Bradscottvisuals ah yes - I forgot about that one… I was a Nikon shooter and now Sony… I have the 24mm somewhere collecting dust, I should really sell it but I’m holding onto hope it will be a collectors item one day lol… I’m also a hoarder lol

How did you mount it on a sony?

What camera are u using

Have you tried just getting the verticals straight while the camera was actually tilted toward the house?

@tonistaru

4 ай бұрын

Yes, magic would probably be one way to do it

@mattah

4 ай бұрын

Impossible.

@DumbAsh00

4 ай бұрын

You literally cant

So basically it is a lens that has a large image circle that allows us to crop using the sensor to get the desired image?

@DumbAsh00

4 ай бұрын

Not really. It moves the lens to change the path of the photons to chabge the perspective

Sick

Corrections in post instead?

Dude must have stock in canon cause I don’t see the difference in this and tilting the camera

@alun7006

4 ай бұрын

Try it and you'll see.

How are you running a canon lens with a Sony body

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

I am using a sigma adapter that lets you mount canon ef lenses on Sony e mount camera body

Drone?

Should have shown one using the lenses and one just tilted up

Cheaper options: wide angle lens, move back a bit, edit in light room/ photoshop Or get a drone for half the price of the lens. Not saying TS lenses aren't fun, but they sure as hell aren't necessary.

@Kommaardoor64

4 ай бұрын

Wide angle wouldn’t give the same result. And moving back isn’t always possible. Would be here, not in a street.

@petrpohnan875

4 ай бұрын

What you suggest is definitely not an option. Why? - UWA lenses are stretching corners/edges, the result would look much worse than from a TS lens - you'd lose the image resolution significantly - moving back often isn't physically possible - cheap drone's camera quality is WAY worse than what you get from a FF camera with TS lens

@DumbAsh00

4 ай бұрын

A drone can't give u this effect tho

WOW!! I always thought tilt shift was just for the tiny effect🤦‍♂️

Same reason laboratory scientist use fine adjustment on a microscope at 100 X?

@Bradscottvisuals

6 ай бұрын

Different use case but the mechanism works similarly. Tilt shift lenses shift the image across the sensor of the camera instead of moving the camera position

How many BTUs is that lens?

How much difference is there between this and guided perspective in LR.

@Bradscottvisuals

4 ай бұрын

For exteriors you can get away with using Lightroom to correct keystoning. For interiors it’s much more important

@BudaDangol

4 ай бұрын

@@Bradscottvisuals thanks for the reply.

you are still changing the angle of the house tho

Wouldn’t be too hard to correct the distortion in post

Canon T/S on Sony - what adapter are you using?

@Bradscottvisuals

4 ай бұрын

I am using the sigma MC-11 amzn.to/488q1ng

@klausmoritzpeitzsch690

4 ай бұрын

@@Bradscottvisualsthx

Ya it just looks to me like you are tilting the camera up when you shift the lens. It doesnt look any different to me.

1 press of a button in lightroom and your angles are perfectly straight.

@huzaifadegani5986

4 ай бұрын

Uh nope

@John-xk2uz

4 ай бұрын

Lmao and you can tell easily digital vs optical perspective correction - it's not even close

Why don’t you tell that you can take off 24mm fix and put on 17mm regular one, step a little back and get the same result after crop a little?

@Bradscottvisuals

4 ай бұрын

The background compression of a 17mm would look much different than a 24mm

why can't you just raise the tri-pod neck up and down?

Is that canon lens on a sony body?

@alun7006

4 ай бұрын

I don't think Sony make any T/S lenses.

Can't you just adjust the tripod?

Why not tilt the camera up?

@alun7006

4 ай бұрын

Because you get perspective distortion - the vertical lines will not be vertical but will be converging.

or you can use geometry/guided straighten in lightroom and skip the $1000+ lens.....

@michaelbuckenmeyer4996

4 ай бұрын

Lightroom’s transform features are great, but sometimes the skewed perspective is just too much and it won’t ever look natural.

@jkstudio131

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelbuckenmeyer4996 if thats the experience you've had, id venture to say you're doing something wrong/not doing something. if you mess with the guided straighten a bit and turn on/off lens corrections, maybe try a different lens, im sure theres a combo that'll be pleasing to the eye. for me 27mm focal with guided straighten and no lens correction usually looks great.

@michaelbuckenmeyer4996

4 ай бұрын

Would extreme scenarios not require a healthy crop? That's been one of the downsides I've had. You have to shoot wide enough to account for the crop and sometimes that's just not feasible or you sacrifice too much resolution.@@jkstudio131

You didn't show it... 😅

Or. you know.. aim the camera higher.. because that's all that fancy device does. It doesn't magicly place the camera 10 or 20 feet in the air.

Would a taller tripod fix this?

@nikolaihedler8883

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn't want to carry around a 10-meter tripod and ladder to take photos.

what's the lens name

@alun7006

4 ай бұрын

Canon 24mm TS-E

I've got three

we lost so mutch control going away from large format film to digital.

Pointing the camera up is quicker & cheaper. Follow for more tips

@Bradscottvisuals

4 ай бұрын

Tell that to the client, good luck

tilt shift lens is a scam. it has a bigger circle projection than the sensor, which effectively is just a smaller focal lenght if you were to compress the projection to the regular size. when you can get a 60MP camera and a wide lens, tilt shift becomes useless because you can just crop

Can't you just raise the tripod?

What if you're running a full frame camera?

@Bradscottvisuals

5 ай бұрын

This is a full frame camera

wow ... fantastic .... instead of moving the camera, we buy a very special lenses of thousands $$ and move the lenses only . !!!!!! 😅😅😅😅😅😅

Or you can use wide angle lens and crop, since most people won't take advantage of full resolution.

Drones essentially made tilt shift redundant.

Simple geometry edit in LR or PS fixes this for me 100% of the time I just use a wider lens 😊

@jkstudio131

4 ай бұрын

exactly. no reason to have a tilt shift nowadays except for the cartoon/tiny effect.

@DumbAsh00

4 ай бұрын

​@@jkstudio131 except maybe to not lose quality when it matters....

@jkstudio131

4 ай бұрын

@@DumbAsh00 You dont lose any quality with geometry. You can pixel peek on an 85 inch tv, nada.

Tilt shift lenses were essential for architectural stuff when Photoshop was in it's infancy. No need for them now.

Why dont you just stand on a step ladder or use a man lift to get your lone of sight centered?

How about using your tripod to elevate the camera?

@nikolaihedler8883

4 ай бұрын

I would love to see a portable tripod that can elevate the camera by 10 meters.

use a wider lens and crop

Couldn't you just raise the legs of your tripod

But it also brings in a ton of distortion of the lines, so that your image is not an accurate representation of the house anymore! Not a good practice if you want happy customers...

This sounds like you could just move the camera higher up or tilt it…

@striderwhiston9897

4 ай бұрын

would not get the same effect

A more wide angle lens and later you can crop the house. Same effect.

@DumbAsh00

4 ай бұрын

Same effect but lower quality image

Why can't you just move the house?

But you can do the same thing with a wide angle lens, and then just crop.

@striderwhiston9897

4 ай бұрын

Nah, cant get the same effect

Or you just tilt your camera up,

@josukeuchiha

6 ай бұрын

Smooth brain

@wldktz1

6 ай бұрын

You will lose some of the composition due to cropping. Sometimes there just isn’t any more leeway to do this.

Just make a 1/64th size replica model of the house and photograph that.

And still nobody makes a first party tilt-shift for mirrorless, that's crazy

@christophergrove4876

4 ай бұрын

Not needed. Back in the film days we either needed a tilt/shift lens or a tilt n shift enlarger. Nowadays you just do a "Perspective" crop in photoshop. Easy peasy. No need WHATSOEVER for this lens.

@elevator.operator

4 ай бұрын

There is no replacement for getting this right in the camera. Arch photographers often work on-site with architects and tweak the compositions until every detail of the image looks exactly right to the client, removing distractions, aligning furniture, showing the desired amounts of sky and ground. Being able to shoot tethered and show the final composition live is by itself worth the specialized lens. It's also cumbersome to anticipate what will end up cropped when you are populating the scene with models/people, which are often composited from multiple frames. And finally, for high-rises, the correction required in post would be extreme and result in significant degradation in quality. There is a reason every single professional architectural photographer I've ever worked with has only used tilt-shift lenses. @@christophergrove4876

@len.whistler

4 ай бұрын

Canon EF to R adaptor. Then use Canon EF tilt/shift lenses.

just use freecam mode