"these damn pesky kids with there music and trap bars are ruining the neighborhood"

@HogShark

3 жыл бұрын

😂🤣

@MFLuder-me1vn

3 жыл бұрын

Get off my lawn!!!

@JacobawSnow

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@rl3656

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@praisebetevin2082

Жыл бұрын

He'll have an aneurysm when he finds out about trap music.

Thanks for the video. After watching it I've come to the conclusion that I'm still going to use my trap bar.

@jonlanier_

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@norpfuseman1485

4 жыл бұрын

Shhhhhhh rip will hear you and send guys!!!😳

@jamesdesantis9420

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. Trap bar deadlifts are much safer, in my experience. Never felt any of that sagittal plane instability. Never heard of it until this video (had to google it). He's dogmatic and old school in his approach; probably still uses a rotary dial phone.

@qc85243

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdesantis9420 a special made rotary dial iPhone, for calling Joe Rogan

@user-ch5ij5yd2g

4 жыл бұрын

James DeSantis he already said if you're so worried about your back you can squat which has its own advantages over the trap bar. the trap bar is literally a half squat. there's no benefit. also if you want to avoid training your back at all. you'll forever have a weak back

After watching this, I've decided to order a trap bar

@corneliusluca6370

3 жыл бұрын

me too, srsly. I want one now

@mikeabel7577

3 жыл бұрын

They're amazing. I love training with my trap bar.

@mikep3322

3 жыл бұрын

So much easier on my lower back

@dsjoakim35

3 жыл бұрын

I use mine for frame carry, hits my traps (get it?) better then anything.

@GarethBloodstone

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is on the way lol

This is why I will never use a wheelbarrow, I’ll be dammed if I don’t respect the Sagittal plane

@TrainFlood

2 жыл бұрын

Never admired the strength of those landscapers anyway.

@rjorn1

2 жыл бұрын

This made me laugh. 😂😂

@Ognahx

2 жыл бұрын

Good one! 😆

@charlesmason1278

3 ай бұрын

You just pointed out the logical reason why this guy is blowing smoke.

@stevenjohnson9220

Ай бұрын

the wheelbarrow is loaded and anchored on the front wheel. This movement ( I don't think it is an exercise due to it's unrestrictive movement) allows you to ride the swing. That is not something that can be reproduced and thus not effective as I can see. It probably closest resembles a squat - so squat ! unless you want to hop on the swing after each rep. Good breakdown of this movement as it is easy to see it as an easy lift.. ... too easy

Mark definitly made this video directly after falling over with a trap bar.

“The back is the legs of the upper body” Dom’ Mazzetti

@kellystephen4235

4 жыл бұрын

Randy Gravel I'm fat natty but look decent bc I always hit the back hard lol

@chesusjrist9733

2 жыл бұрын

The chest is just the arm's butt.

Trap bar is the best way to train for bringing in the groceries in one trip and flexing on neighbour Dads.

@anaussie213

3 жыл бұрын

Db farmer carries are better for that.

@dickjohnson5025

2 жыл бұрын

HAHAH

@Not2Be0utDone

2 жыл бұрын

@@anaussie213 idk if I’m strong enough to carry a farmer let alone farmers

@WolfgerSilberbaer

2 жыл бұрын

I routinely put all my grocery bags on my trap bar to carry it all in one trip.

@simontist

2 жыл бұрын

Functional!

Way back in time, when the first barbell came out, one of Rip's ancestor stood in front of his students and said, "This useless piece of junk is called a barbell. I know that's a rather harsh statement, but I see no point in it...this is now being called a deadlift. This is a barbell. It is not a rock. And to perform a deadlift, you need a rock..."

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

@unknownknown8555

Жыл бұрын

Lmaooooooo

@larrywelch4979

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@chrismclendon4937

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. "Only sissies squat barbells off of racks, real men stand up giant bars loaded with shot vertically, and then tilt them over onto their back!"

@WildSatoriForest

11 ай бұрын

But you can't lock out a trap bar completely onto your posterior chain...I can see how that changes everything.

I have that weird feeling that rip dont like the trap bar

@pineapplepizza4016

4 жыл бұрын

And vegens.

@McMeatBag

4 жыл бұрын

Rip doesn't like anything that isn't his own program

@GypsyKingTF

4 жыл бұрын

Meat Bag false

@pleaseenteraname9414

4 жыл бұрын

Φώτιος Τσακωμάκας How?

@leonardo9259

3 жыл бұрын

No way dude

The most dangerous thing about a trap bar is having a fat guy appear from nowhere and start pushing it around at the top of your lift

@danski6694

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@Dezwrr

3 жыл бұрын

Damn 😂

@jkdclayson

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@dababy824

3 жыл бұрын

He's not appearing out of no where though.

@jkdclayson

3 жыл бұрын

@@dababy824 get a load of mister literal, here ☝️

Rip is missing the point of why this is added to military fitness tests. A soldier is much more likely to do weighted carries in the field than static lifts. Trap bar deadlift training carries over (pun intended) to operational fitness more than a conventional competition deadlift.

@michaelthimes

3 жыл бұрын

Plus the trap bar deadlift allows for a more upright body posture and even distribution of weight throughout joints during the lift. Also a plus for long-term health fitness and medical readiness of soldiers.

@JackgarPrime

3 жыл бұрын

That makes sense, although in that case I would ask why not use the farmer's carry instead as a military test? Surely that is the movement that most directpy simulates what they would be doing in the field?

@JackgarPrime

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelthimes Okay, that makes sense for extraction. It is a similar movement.

@Account2129

3 жыл бұрын

Dead lift has more potential to make you stronger because the back angle is the same all the time. That specific back angle allows the posterior chain to be trained fully each session. Therefore, it makes you a stronger human being, which in turn makes the same weighted carries easier.

@ishaqsaleem1627

3 жыл бұрын

@@Account2129 isn't the discussion about testing in the military though, not necessarily training.

I have the solutions to all the problems created in this video. 1. Don't let someone push your trap bar during the lift to avoid movement in the sagital plane. 2. Don't rock your hips forwards and backwards with your body while peforming the lift to avoid movement in the sagital plane. 3. Don't supinate and pronate your wrists or move your arms while performing the lift to avoid movement in the sagital plane. 4. Avoid Mark Rippetoe while doing Trap Bar deadlifts to avoid movement in the sagital plane. This made me think. If a movement has so many ways of being "unsafe" doesn't it indirectly prove that it requires proper technique to perform?

@ankitpradhan4183

6 ай бұрын

1. the movement is bound to happen with heavier lifts, even experienced lifters dont perform every lift correctly 2. isn't it the basis of the movement pattern though? rocking/moving your hips back and forwards? 3. just an extra precaution but my no.1 proves it wont matter with heavier weights 4. Sure this should work I disagree rippletoe on this being unsafe, but I do agree about the repeatability of the exercise and its very little use in any training format. Does this mean I dont like trap bar? NO, does this mean it does not help you ? no? But the point of any equipment in the gym in my opinion is that you should be able to train with it with high repeatibility. You can get better at lots of stuffs with trap bar deadlift, but I have only found literally two uses for it and it being a plyometric jump with weight, and a farmers walk, any other stuffs with it requires a lot of expertise and lots of "feel dependent" movement to perform it to an equal ability. There's ways you feel like you are doing it like you did last time, but no, due to the equipment allowing me to freely move my hands, hips anywhere I want, at any angle I want and less clue, it can affect the way I execute the deadlift with same repeatibility. Farmers walk , it does not matter where I put my hands and during jumps, I am focusing on jumping with the weight without worrying my back angle and hand positions, So I find it very useful in those But perhaps I have heard people telling me how useful it is for those who have back pains and stuffs,

@ozzy6162

5 ай бұрын

@@ankitpradhan4183 If your argument was correct for the trap bar deadlift then it would also apply to squats which are also open to motion in the sagittal plane. As with squats, motion in the sagittal plane does not mean that form is unrepeatable - it simply means that form needs to be learned until it becomes repeatable.

@ankitpradhan4183

5 ай бұрын

@@ozzy6162 yes but bar is attached to your body, its not floating around to put more stress

@gsquared2394

5 ай бұрын

You can’t lift heavier weights in an unstable environment. Try lifting on a boat, your body wont let you fire all of your muscle units.

@rad_lad_2715

2 ай бұрын

@@gsquared2394 bad comparison, your feet are on solid ground when using a trap bar. Literally no science supports the trap bar as being inferior to the barbell conventional deadlift

By eliminating trap bar deadlifts from my routine, can I safely assume I'll achieve a similarly impressive physique as the one Rippetoe is rocking?

@brianjones7660

4 жыл бұрын

Winnie the Pooh body...

@neil12011

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianjones7660 Steal that honey.

@shinsegi8422

3 жыл бұрын

@@neil12011 lol

@ramybroudefan8659

3 жыл бұрын

G4p fluffer

@ciswhitemalewithextraprivi7898

2 жыл бұрын

Rip deadlifted around 630lbs, so he's probably stronger than anyone reading this. He also did 18 pull ups before a shoulder surgery.

I feel as if I just watched an old man yell at a cloud.

@mikepowers9580

4 жыл бұрын

Haha good one

@mullins46

4 жыл бұрын

I LOL’d

@naahass7078

4 жыл бұрын

Made me laugh

@budthecyborg4575

3 жыл бұрын

Practically, yes, that's what this video is.

@TheFlyingCougar

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah this dude is a dogmatic geezer.

It doesn’t damage your back nearly enough. Get rid of it!

@mackenziebenedict8403

3 жыл бұрын

Barbells don’t damage your back either if you use them correctly

@jakeledg

3 жыл бұрын

@@mackenziebenedict8403 would you agree that proper deadlift form is a technique that requires practice?

@mackenziebenedict8403

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakeledg yes

@jakeledg

3 жыл бұрын

@@mackenziebenedict8403 well I can tell you that the army doesn’t teach that and if they did, they’d screw it up. The trap bar is a dummy solution for a bunch of soldiers who won’t do their homework.

@mackenziebenedict8403

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakeledg okay. But that doesn’t change any of what Rippetoe is saying.

Somebody send this to Eric Bugenhagen, he'll go nuts :D

Went to the local small airport, no one had even heard of a sagital plane let alone seen one.

@PaultheSheik

4 жыл бұрын

Here you go. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal_plane

@lots3799

4 жыл бұрын

How about vaginal????

@tatts2000

4 жыл бұрын

The hoodlum I have spent time in the vaginal plane, great ride can be a some turbulence.

@stevesedgwick5789

4 жыл бұрын

And for interest a section that runs parallel to the sagittal plane is called a parasagittal plane. All this helps with training?

@zoominvideos

4 жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud. I'm in bed. Hope i didnt wake my wife

The grumpiest man in fitness.

@Golden2Talon

4 жыл бұрын

dogmatic

@lots3799

4 жыл бұрын

Hes in another video complaining about racking weight plates. The comments are hysterical!!!!!!

@Iamandrewgoldberg

4 жыл бұрын

The Hoodlum link it 🤣🤣 would love to see

@camsmith8390

4 жыл бұрын

Who’s not even fit lol

@Spaxcore

4 жыл бұрын

It's all that protein powder, backs him up, the guy hasn't dropped the kids off in weeks.

As a man who grew up lifting things off each side, and lugging about huge blocks of wood in work, and even pulling a cultivator in the garden when the tractor broke down, I will say this: this guy wouldn't last a day on a farm without having an aneurism.

I can't do deadlifts or rack pulls because of my back, meanwhile I was able to use the trapbar deadlift with no issues

@fourtii8707

3 жыл бұрын

Then u r fked?

@michaelmonkey6541

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.......thank you.....

@jyouker2

3 жыл бұрын

Dislocated my shoulder. Ever sonce, no more deadlift. The rotation of my hands on the bar put too much strain on the rotator cuff of my shoulder. Trap bad allows me to keep the shoulder in the neutral position and still perform a modified dead lift.

@OllieMartinGamer

3 жыл бұрын

Your not deadlifting properly then. The deadlift will strengthen you back not cause issues.

@zackerycrouch7277

3 жыл бұрын

@@OllieMartinGamer my form was fine, still pulled my back.

I love rip. He's not always right, but he is always loud when being wrong. He probably would have hated the invention of the barbell because it was not the rock with which he was taught to lift.

@jimmyv1233

3 жыл бұрын

He'd say lifting the rock trains your grip and that it's much more likely to carry over into useful skill.,😂😂😂

@paulbenoit6076

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not that he’s wrong about the trap bar because he’s not from his point of view. It’s not an effective and safe deadlift for competition.

@keenanschouten2582

2 жыл бұрын

You attack is character because you can't attack the argument

@coachcurt9037

2 жыл бұрын

@@keenanschouten2582 I can attack the argument. Get me in a room with him and a camera. His point of view is too narrow

@keenanschouten2582

2 жыл бұрын

@@coachcurt9037 His view is narrow because Scientific claims are very narrow. He's talking about what is "optimal" for strength and safety.

I always feel like I'm in trouble when I watch Rip's videos.

@garbanzosteve6012

2 жыл бұрын

It's like when your dad picks you up from school and he's mad at you

@absolutelyfookinnobody2843

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you live life like a coward

@ashtonsmachetti4236

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@garbanzosteve6012 lmao

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 no you are what happens when no one teaches you how to have some fun and be a little lighthearted

Have had both knees replaced and the trap bar has been a tremendous assist to be able to continue weight training vs a barbell deadlift

@mmartinisgreat

2 жыл бұрын

How dare you

@ixcoatl0013

2 жыл бұрын

Bro I’m giving up on squats and deadlift I had an injury in both knees at least I can use the leg curl machines and press but you are right the hex is easy

@mmartinisgreat

2 жыл бұрын

@@ixcoatl0013 what about hip thrusts and glute adducteurs and abductors?

@ixcoatl0013

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmartinisgreat I KICK ASS ON THOSE TWO non stop And slow :) well synchronized I like those two machines they are fun it really sucks I injury my two knees I was rope skipping single legged with a ten pound vest and that’s how I got injured really bad

@sewwhat6525

2 жыл бұрын

@@ixcoatl0013 Good luck with your injuries, if you can tolerate without pain also try backwards pulling a sled or heavy object even at my worst it didn’t give me pain & helped strengthen the legs

I just started using the trap bar because I have lower back and knee problems. So far it hasn't irritated any of these past injuries. I can't say the same about squats or deadlifts. I still plan on incorporating both of those but I feel like the trap bar is a good supplement to my routine that will add some relief to my back and knees. While still adding strength to core muscles with one exercise.

@thekalamazookid4481

Жыл бұрын

I'm about buy one are you still liking it?

@eddiedantes7732

Жыл бұрын

I hear you. Do what's best for your body, but sometimes pain in a properly formed movement will indicate an imbalance that you might need to rehab. This was the case for me. I rehabed my issues to strengthen the injured area enough to perform the lift at lower weights and basically start over. Now, I'm regaining my strength and mobility with the barbell deadlift and other compound movements. I appreciate his insight

@Natural.Crusader

6 ай бұрын

​@@thekalamazookid4481yes its a great tool

@dafunkmonster

2 ай бұрын

You realize that using a trap bar with a more vertical back angle is harder on your knees, right?

that gym is stacked with curl racks, love it!

@rantdeville

3 жыл бұрын

Hilarious comment

@thomasbrogan9102

3 жыл бұрын

Ha

@jms0313

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

Barbell vs machine argument: having to control free weight is good Anti Trap bar argument: having to control free weight is bad

@takkie2089

4 жыл бұрын

Had a good giggle over this one

@alejandroperez5368

4 жыл бұрын

In his defence, he said it's bad when loading the trap bar with a lot of weight, which can result in you falling backwards and hurting yourself. That's NOT going to happen on a machine, so your point is simply WRONG.

@arturpetrovici

4 жыл бұрын

Weight needs to be close to body or else dumb-asses get injured. The problem with the Trap bar is that it ''only'' contacts thé body at thé hands, making it more instable than a conventional barbell! Free don't mean free, baby! ;)

@Huffman_Tree

4 жыл бұрын

@@alejandroperez5368 1. That's why you start with 135 and don't fall over, then go to 140 and still don't fall over, then go to 145 and don't fall over and so forth. 2. Rip says himself that you can fall down on a heavy conventional deadlift, too. That's why they have spotters for deadlifts nowadays

@dors.sc1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Huffman_Tree yes you can fall that's the point so there is no need to magnify the risk

I've never felt like swinging the trap bar was a problem I had to deal with.

@mitchb1394

Жыл бұрын

Me neither.

@michaelscott5653

8 ай бұрын

I just started doing trap bar deadlifts 4 weeks ago and I never has an issue with the bar swinging (and I'm a beginner btw)

“Jacked quads are better than a jacked up back”- Greg Nuckols “Get off my lawn”- Rip 😂😂😂

I feel that a farmer walk with a heavy loaded trap bar builds grip strength, shoulder stability, back, leg and hip strength; all useful for building strength in deadlift and squat. Is this really so useless?

@RobertGriffith9

3 жыл бұрын

It's not bad but farmers handles are better, because they can tilt independently of each other.

@MrBogfrog

3 жыл бұрын

He's not talking about farmer walks here.

@RiffMusic1970

3 жыл бұрын

Love it for farmers walk. Can lift way more weight without it banging against my legs.

@terrencetaylor2188

3 жыл бұрын

Doing squats and deadlifts have those benefits too. So why not just do those if that's your goal?

@RiffMusic1970

3 жыл бұрын

Terrence Taylor I do farmers walk because I heard they work traps better than shrugs. I still work in shrugs every now and then but farmers walk is good for a change.

"This useless piece of junk is called..." is also how Rip named his children.

@kiril1

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he has one. But nice joke

@ANILTV82

4 жыл бұрын

Man i watched that part like 5 times in a row and i can't stop laughing...i mean with the way he says and stands with zero fucks given.... totally chill badass

@shawndayvis6169

4 жыл бұрын

lmao...omg

@shawndayvis6169

4 жыл бұрын

@@ANILTV82 ...you got daddy issues

@ANILTV82

4 жыл бұрын

@@shawndayvis6169 good to know

"Why Rippetoe Is Completely Useless With The Trap Bar". Alternate, more appropriate title

If I follow your training protocol will I end up with a gut and a bad attitude?

Why is instability noted as a positive when comparing free-weights to machines (recruiting stabilizing muscles), but not when comparing trap bar to barbell?

@norpfuseman1485

4 жыл бұрын

flyzipper haha checkmate rip you crank!

@major253kannon

4 жыл бұрын

I think it has to do with instability that we can physically control ie : barbell and dumbbell. And then what the trap bar asks of us in terms of stability ie: trying to control 200kgs from a squat position with the arms, but not allowing the lats or shoulder to apply their strength and stability as you would in the deadlift.

@flyzipper

4 жыл бұрын

@@major253kannon don't tell Dan John (the "grab some heavy dumbbells and go for a walk" guy) 😉

@Francesco-cj3oi

4 жыл бұрын

Because machines have a set range of motion which does not apply to everyone, where as free weights can be adapted to your anthropometry and mobility. I don't know about instability being seen as positive tho, especially by rip

@anthonydude

4 жыл бұрын

Because Rip said so and asking questions ist verboten!

"Hips can be in any position with a trap bar" is a feature, not a bug. You can also squat or deadlift with all kinds of hip and knee angles.

@GoalOrientedLifting

3 жыл бұрын

Not if you do a 1RM. Or even a 3RM lift

@oliverallen5324

3 жыл бұрын

You must be soft in the head. Heavy things move in straight lines which means there are human shapes that have to be made.

@MeleDrummer

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, he's so biased it hurts

@notablediscomfort

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoalOrientedLifting high bar, low bar, narrow stance, wide stance, high bar wide stance, low bar narrow stance, barefoot, elevated heel, ridiculously elevated heel, elevated toe, front squats...

@cake8211

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine being part of Rip's cult in 2021

As a tall guy with a back problem history, trap bar dls + reverse hypers = gold

@dkgreek

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ

I maxed my barbell deadlift, then easily matched it with a trap bar. As an older lifter, I also find the trap bar to be more comfortable lift. I understand the movement in the sagittal plane, however, having to pull on the bar in order to demonstrate the instability lessens the effectiveness of the argument. Just show the sway under normal circumstances. “Let me show you the instability by applying a force not included in the movement” is a silly experiment.

@cmdrfunk

2 жыл бұрын

Well shit, as long as you're comfortable.

@roadstar499

Жыл бұрын

But what if you were outside and a 50 mph gust of wind came just as you locked out??? injury city man! lol

@PlaciSantos

Жыл бұрын

Lol you “easily” matched something that was your max. What does that say about your max 😂😂

@mikejohnson8373

Жыл бұрын

@@PlaciSantos Next to nothing. If you max at weight X on incline bench then you're likely to max at more than X on flat bench no matter how strong or weak you are. The same can be applied for barbell and trap bar deadlift.

@dafunkmonster

2 ай бұрын

"I maxed my barbell deadlift" No you didn't.

Someone should train at Rip's gym and only trap bar deadlift, just to bug the shit out of him

@BB-hc9jj

3 жыл бұрын

Make it a weekly series and id binge it

@lazerbladeck

3 жыл бұрын

I'll do it lol

@southpawje

3 жыл бұрын

You won't find a trap bar at Rips gym, so beat it with your 'just to bother someone' bs attitude. Your name says it all anyway

@lazerbladeck

3 жыл бұрын

@@southpawje get bent bud lol you obviously cant take a joke

@iRonlMoNKleY

2 жыл бұрын

A trap bar with the plates facing outward while wearing giant loud headphones, a pair of Vibram Five Fingers, some booty shorts and complaining that the gym isn't clean.

I’ve seen a lot more guys get hurt deadlifting with a barbell than with a trap bar.

@themadlad8540

4 жыл бұрын

Ya you have never seen anyone get hurt either way lol

@Cenot4ph

4 жыл бұрын

that doesn't really mean much does it, the only thing that says is they under overloaded or their technique is wrong. That's not the issue with the barbell deadlift. It exactly enforces the fact that the trap bar is less effective in training the area's it is supposed to

@caracallaseverus3412

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen anyone make any significant strength or muscular size gain with a trap bar.

@philipmcauley

4 жыл бұрын

Caracalla Severus guess you don’t watch the NFL.

@caracallaseverus3412

4 жыл бұрын

@@philipmcauley PEDs are great when strength and conditioning coaches make players do gimmick based exercises.

I was taught how to deadlift with a conventional barbell in the Army and I can tell you with absolute certainty that I don’t think the standard Soldier has any business in pretending how to teach a conventional barbell deadlift.

Barbell deadlifts injured my back and trap bar deadlifts are fixing it.

When you look up "dogmatic" in the dictionary there is just a picture of a Mark Rippetoe

@MrSpicabooo

3 жыл бұрын

exact word i used

@adamw9248

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was when you train your dog so well that when you whistle they come to you immediately.

@TheMonk111

3 жыл бұрын

why are you so mad on behalf of rip when i dont doubt that rip would agree that he is dogmatic, and his reasoning would be something along the lines of "im dogmatic because i've figured out what actually works." he wasnt even insulting him

@tylerweibel8049

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMonk111 if I had to guess I'd say gasbaroni is projecting his relationship issues with his dad onto rip and as a result got a little defensive.

@joelhenderson3723

3 жыл бұрын

@@gasbaroni Bruh, you're making that shit up. I checked, and it's some funny looking dude named gasbaroni.

no science just plain ole " get off my lawn" talk

@Ectional1

3 жыл бұрын

Zha roon Basic anatomy supports the trap bar...

@robertjames3701

3 жыл бұрын

Zha roon do you dumbass?

@Ectional1

3 жыл бұрын

Zha roon Studies show that sumo deadlifts are closer to a squatting movement than a trap bar... basic anatomy being a safer position for the back, neutral grip to place biceps in a safer position etc. Anatomically if you want to hinge you do good mornings, stiff legged or romanian deadlifts, even damn kettlebell swings. Hurr durr straight bar is the best is dogmatic and stupid.

@rorygrady3494

3 жыл бұрын

Zha roon Yes, it allows you, but that doesn’t mean you have to

@TheLouisianan

3 жыл бұрын

​@@BenBenjaBenjamin And a conventional deadlift is a half squat with the bar hanging in the hands instead of being on your back.

"That's a nice argument Rip. Why don't you back it up with a source?" Rip: "My source is that I made it the fuck up!"

I’ve never hurt my back with a trap bar… barbell has slipped a disc twice. couldn’t walk for 3 weeks on both injuries. I’ll stick with the trap bar thanks brah

@parker940

6 ай бұрын

this is good especially if your leverages dont support a neutral spine because the bar has to pass the knees, thats what happens to me and i tweak my back when i get to my knees with a strict conventional form, bulging disk that causes daily pain.

choose an exercise that is less technically demanding and has a lower risk of injury when teaching a incredibly large number of athletes (soldiers).

This guy is the definition of I want it my way or no way at all. Trap bar has it's pros and cons but so does the barbell deadlift.

@jonmichaelburgess2654

3 жыл бұрын

He is white New balance shoes or no shoes at all.

@markus64s

2 жыл бұрын

One is better for getting stronger, so yeah, he prefers that one.

@geoffreyfaltot1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonmichaelburgess2654 HAHAHA gold

@kurtisbaxter6422

2 жыл бұрын

@@markus64s By his own definition, strength is how much weight you pull. Trap bar allows you to pull more weight. It's also considered better for power production and athletic performance in general.

@markus64s

2 жыл бұрын

@@kurtisbaxter6422 Stronger where? Not your lower back, abs or forearms. I could leg press more than I can squat, but strengthening muscles in isolation is not efficient. A barbell is more consistent with his philosophy.

I bought a trap bar just a few days ago in spite of this video. It arrives on Thursday.

@BigDonch

6 ай бұрын

Hope you’ve been using it. I love my trap bar as an athlete

The problem with a traditional deadlift is the injury risk for the lower back is higher for untrained individuals. Many army folks don't regularly weight train so they need an exercise that's easy to teach and use for testing. It's not supposed to be specific to a particular movement pattern the army is only concerned with the amount of weight they can pick up.

@nickcorona3966

Жыл бұрын

Do you know why there's more of an injury risk with the lower back with a barbell? It works the lower back, unlike the trap bar. You damned idiot.

@zangl2955

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. Everyone says “deadlifts are safe if you do them right,” and that is true. But what about the one time you do em wrong and give yourself a herniated disc that bothers you until you fucking die?

@dafunkmonster

2 ай бұрын

The injury potential is higher with the trap bar. Because of the risk of losing control of the weight at "lockout" (there is no real lockout with a trap bar).

@dafunkmonster

2 ай бұрын

@@zangl2955 You think the risk of a herniated disk is lower with a trap bar, which allows you to swing the weight left, right, or behind you at the top?

This dude is the most dogmatic person I have ever seen. I love the Hex bar at my gym (no high handles, so you are at the same depth, and its a 70lb bar) It is so much more comfortable, and natural feeling. Pull 500 off the ground is pulling 500 off the ground. Do it anyway you want that will keep you healthy, and happy.

@dayman7061

4 жыл бұрын

Pulling 500 is easier with a trap bar than a barbell tho

@kapoioBCS

4 жыл бұрын

Day Man. No , but why you believe this?

@dayman7061

4 жыл бұрын

Jordbær idk man maybe I just suck at deadlifting. I can pull 500 with a trap bar but not with a barbell.

@edscottable

4 жыл бұрын

Day Man Ok, then put 550 on there

@codygooding1332

4 жыл бұрын

It probably feels easier because your shoulder, and hands are in a far more comfortable position. I only pull about 5 percent more with a trap bar than I do a conventional.

This reminds me of “who needs a computer at home?”

A conventional deadlift becomes too difficult to do with a double overhand grip before too long and you will have to start using an over/under grip. For me, this feels unbalanced, where my externally rotated arm in the underhand grip has my bicep tearing in no time. Personally, I feel I get better results from alternating Romanian Deadlifts and Pendlay Rows for volume every other workout, and Rack Pulls and Trap Bar Deads on alternating heavy days. There's less overuse because the back is getting slightly different stimulus. The trap bar is fine. It's a useful tool for when conventional gets stale, or when your anthropomatry doesn't favor conventional deads.

@johnandstephanie377

2 жыл бұрын

You're probably gay

The most dangerous part about a trap bar deadlift is that it will make you brutally strong and one dangerous human being.

“Old man yells at trapbar”

I quit believing everything Rip had to say when he gave a chili recipe and said it’s ok to leave out overnight because the heat sterilizes it.

@thetruemorg

4 жыл бұрын

Oddly specific

@GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. Good thing I dont come here for cooking advice I guess.

@shawncolligan4190

3 жыл бұрын

Bahahaha!

@LTPottenger

3 жыл бұрын

Well, it does sterilize everything. If it was cooked you don't have to worry about e coli and you are not going to develop botulism overnight - or at all since you have salt and acidity in chili.

@zake64

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't Rip the guy who proposed "GOMAD"?

I used a trap bar with the raised grips, because I have an L4-L5-S1 full fusion, and I can't do squats with heavy weight. I'm incredibly sore in the correct places a day later, so it's clearly hitting the right areas. It seems a lot safer than having the weight way out in front of your legs, putting your lumbar spine in an awkward position.

@adammeade2300

9 ай бұрын

So it's a physical therapy tool. Not saying it doesn't have it's place, but the whole "awkward position" of your lumbar that you elude to is precisely the point of the deadlift.

@DDDYLN

9 ай бұрын

@@adammeade2300 if you have perfect form, and you've always had perfect form, it's fine to deadlift. No one can maintain perfect form when lifting for a PR. I used to be an Olympic lifter and powerlifter, so I've seen this first hand hundreds of times, if not more. If you have a spinal injury, or if your family has a history of lumbar spinal injuries, they're not a good idea. For me, they're out of the question, as are heavy squats. I suppose it depends if you're doing them to build strength with good form, or you're doing them for a competition. Competitive weightlifters are typically pretty busted up in their 50s, if not sooner. This kind of reminds me of the CrossFit debate. I'm old enough to remember when it first became a craze. Everyone was begging me to start doing it with them, almost like a cult. I'm sure they have fun, and there's a sense of camaraderie. I imagine they make a lot of friends. But, I don't know a single CrossFit practitioner who hasn't been injured at least once. I was an ex collegiate wrestler. I came out of undergrad with a bunch of overuse injuries already. I didn't need any more.

@adammeade2300

9 ай бұрын

@@DDDYLN You’ve certainly got more experience with the lift than I do. I’m 42 and have done a lot of training over my lifetime, but I come from a martial arts/boxing background. It’s only recently that I began to squat, bench, ohp, deadlift. I’ve grown to love the deadlift but, to your point, I’m just training to get stronger. PR’s seem like a young man’s game and a great way to injure yourself. I can’t say I have “perfect” form, but my background in martial arts certainly instilled in me the importance of proper and efficient mechanics, so I always warm up well and would rather lift less weight with correct form than go for a record and achieve nothing but accolades. I’m a small guy, like very close to Bruce Lee’s size and build, so I’ve no illusions of becoming some hulking mass of man. Also, I remember well that it was Bruce Lee’s simple neglect of a regular warm up routine on “good mornings” that resulted in his chronic and horrible back pain. I’m also an MRI technician and I scan janky backs everyday, so I do appreciate the potential dangers. Just seems like an earnest focus on sound physiology and the avoidance of ego lifting can make this a profitable and sustainable movement.

@DDDYLN

9 ай бұрын

@@adammeade2300 100%. I was 23 when I was training for a powerlifting meet. I never even got to compete, because I injured my lumbar spine. I'm 47. Even if I could go back and tell my 23 year old self not to do it, I know he wouldn't listen! I was built like a hulk at that point in my life. I didn't think I could be hurt. I was very wrong. I had been captain and MVP of my collegiate wrestling team. I came out of undergraduate, and went to graduate school, with a lot of unaddressed injuries from wrestling. I tried to ignore them. However, they didn't ignore me. And those overuse injuries, combined with my ego, were what led to injuring my lumbar spine.

@jamessemaj5693

8 ай бұрын

Bro, it fucking sucks get over it pussy

I have deadlifted barbell for year and a half now. Last week I tried trap bar for the first time, and i was'nt even close to my normal set weight, and it felt so unstable.. when i have 2.5 times BW on my hands, i dont want to any unnessesary wobbling or movements around. ☝️ Very good post. I can relate everthing that the dude is speaking 👌

This argument is based on an imaginary problem - that while the trap bar is lifted it will suddenly start to oscillate front to back and even side to side. If you lift it correctly - straight up - this will not happen. If some small amount of oscillation does manage to creep its way into the lift, your muscles will be forced to stabilize this movement. This is why loaded carries are useful - they train the body to stabilize a load while moving. This type of strength is extremely useful in real life. Last August I helped my mother move. I didn't pick up a box and then immediately set it down. I picked up a box, walked with it, sometimes up a set of stairs, then put it down. I am not necessarily saying that the trap bar should be a complete substitute for the barbell deadlift, but to say that is is useless is just Rip being his typical dogmatic self which many of us have learned to ignore.

@davidschlabach4106

4 жыл бұрын

Well said Mike

@qc85243

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Just like any heavy deadlift the weight is not going to come off the ground unless it is over the mid foot, so you shouldn't see any pendulum effect. So what is going to introduce the oscillation? There may be some room to argue that locking out with the bar against you could help minimize the likelihood of over-extending the lower back, but even that shouldn't really be a problem. I just don't see this as much more than a Chicken Little, "The sky is falling!" issue. I think he stated his real problem with it when he got the question about trap bars at the opening of one of the SS gyms. It doesn't require any real coaching like it does to safely perform a heavy barbell DL.

@fsmoura

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely. I could see the insecurity in his eyes-practically an angsty teen.

@TrustNJesusChrist

4 жыл бұрын

The whole point of the bar is to lift straight up anyway, as it was designed for greater stability (your center is better). So anyone lifting a trap bar any other way, honestly deserves to get injured. You are supposed to lift STRAIGHT UP AND FEET PLANTED CORRECTLY UNDERNEATH YOU!

@MikeXCSkier

4 жыл бұрын

@@TrustNJesusChrist Exactly. What makes the trap bar user friendly is that the weight is perfectly balanced through your center of gravity because with your arms at your sides they are perfectly centered through your body. This is not possible with a bar. A lifter would have to do something very strange to get the trap bar oscillating.

I'm in my late 50s and built size and strength from regular barbell deadlifts/ shrugs however since I started using the trap bar years ago I feel I have made more progress.

@drabnail777

2 жыл бұрын

That's simply because you've added a new exercise to your routine

@jonathanmejia5878

2 жыл бұрын

@@drabnail777 it could also be better for his leverages

@fares.b1301

2 жыл бұрын

It’s easier on your spine and the bar doesn’t get caught in your things so you can work more smoothly

@fares.b1301

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmejia5878 keep it simple dude it’s just probably so much better for his spine , the weight isn’t in front of him but at his side , he’s pretty so that could make change

@cmdrfunk

2 жыл бұрын

feelings are important

The fact that hips can be in any position and you can still load extremely heavy is exactly why this is useful Various leverages with unlimited load potential creates a great environment for injury rehabilitation with some serious ass progressive overload That is a incredible opportunity for rehabilitation or poor mobility clients a hell of a tool.

@andrewkitchenuk

Жыл бұрын

Which is exactly why the original designer made it.

@dafunkmonster

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewkitchenuk The original designer made it to swindle morons out of their money.

Seals use it a lot. One....It’s more catered to carrying weight in the field. It also works better for people recovering from injury, and winds up injuring people a lot less. That’s pretty important if your entire work requires you to carry body armor. No it’s not good for strongmen competitors. But troops typically aren’t bodybuilders. (Some might be but straight up when they try to... and I’ve firsthand seen this...they tend to come close to or completely failing fitness standards like our run or swim and being absolutely useless in extended operations.)

@touchofgrace3217

2 жыл бұрын

As a sports massage therapist who specializes in infantry related injuries, I agree!! Comparing the fitness needs of a powerlifter to the needs of a warrior has no application in real life.

Oh, you want sagittal stability that bad? You know what provides it? The smith machine.

@NaturalHypertrophy

4 жыл бұрын

Clever

@coachtmayo

4 жыл бұрын

Love it. Exactly right :D

@spursblood1

4 жыл бұрын

the trap bar IS the smith machine of deadlifts. Requires little or no thought and technique when compared to an Olympic bar. Do you think the industry's best deadlifters spend all of their time practising on trap bars?

@marko7304

4 жыл бұрын

spursblood1 how is there formidable skill at play when practicing barbell deadlifts?

@canererbay8842

4 жыл бұрын

@@spursblood1 who was ever talking about being good at barbell deadlifts? Barbells are obviously more specific/beneficial than trap bars for that.

Why does this guy keep popping up on my feed? Studies have shown the trap bar produces more force, can be used more for greater force. Also may be better for those with lower back problems.

@ossocinco

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. You can build power through the legs, and hips as you would during a deadlift without the worry about smoking your back. Plus the hand position and bar path helps you train more lats and traps. So if power and speed from the ground is the goal then this is GREAT. His whole argument is shit form and inconsistencies in movement makes it dangerous 😂

@tylerweibel8049

4 жыл бұрын

I've been wondering the same thing. Anyone with questions regarding the trap bar should look at the article Greg nuckols has. Actual science and not "it looks different than a conveniental deadlift so it's bad!!!!"

@internetenjoyer1044

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylerweibel8049 "put him against some boxer or athlete same age and weight", um, what strength coach wouldn't that argument apply to lol? yeah ofc boxers will beat up ppl who lift barbells up for a living, what does that prove

@tylerweibel8049

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Prendergast check your @ bro

@Xplora213

4 жыл бұрын

Bimarsha Guragain you’re not doing a good job of proving anything here.

I actually understand exactly what he's talking about. He makes perfect sense, but only for a certain set of individuals, training for certain goals. I dint recommend a trap bar for new lifters , powerlifters , or other small groups of people who need to be locked into a specific position while training, but for the rest of people, its absolutely fine. I always recommend a rotating routine, switching between bars on a week to week basis. There is no reason not to use both. These bars are tools, use them, and have a greater range of increasing strength and movement. Only when training for a specific goal should be cutting things out and concentrate on a lift like the deadlift. The deadlift is very important, training it is a staple of my training, but how i train it isnt locked in, unless im competing soon. Train however your most comfortable. Its always uo to the individual doing the work, im sorry the trap bar is far from trash, i love it personally. Im getting older, and it makes training a bit easier on my joints and adds more longevity to my training. If i had a show, id train with sololy and Olympic bar, but that would be the only reason, and im done with that for the most part. Lift as you will, brother. If the hex bar adds years to your training and movements , do it.

I also want to add that the swing is not a thing. I dead lift my sets with 425 on the trap bar. I do the same on the barbell. Neither one moves or swings during the movement. If you’re swinging around 400 pounds then you probably don’t need to worry about the sagittal plane. Swinging only happens if you’re using really lightweight.

This persuaded me to buy a trap bar: it felt like I was listening to someone forcefully explaining why, say, guns would never hold a candle to bows and arrows.

@TheRadiantSoap

3 жыл бұрын

How do you like it? I'm sure you've noticed that nobody tries to push you over at lock out and you can flip it over if you want less RoM 😳😳

@witheredserenity3183

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao not quite.

@THECHI7LDUDE22

3 жыл бұрын

Idiot.

@spursblood1

3 жыл бұрын

Your analogy is defective. The trap bar is like a bee bee gun or air gun. The Olympic bar is like a proper magnum. You don't see professional powerlifters or weight lifters turn up at an official competition to lift a trap bar, do you?

@jakewilliams9198

3 жыл бұрын

@@spursblood1 buddy like 95% of people who lift are not competing in powerlifting/weightlifting competitions and could not give 2 fucks if their lift gets them 3 white lights or what their raw wilks is or how much they can squat jerk. Most people are lifting for fun and health, not for numbers. Get off your high horse.

Load of rubbish, I have used a trap bar for around 15 years, they are great

@steelslither

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine if you had used a barbell for 15 years instead

@CP-rm7rz

4 жыл бұрын

@@steelslither provide the marginal scientific data to support your position

@robbiel8677

4 жыл бұрын

​@@steelslither how do you know he didnt do barbell deadlifts too?

@mrwilliams1

4 жыл бұрын

@@steelslither lol

@twincobras7501

4 жыл бұрын

Freddy Ruiz he would potentially have bulging disc and back issues just for some arbitrary attainment of back strength? Sorry but the detriments just appear to outweigh the benefits for me at large.

very good points. thank you for offering your thoughts on the trap bar.

According to Rip, when Steve Johnson pulls 1000lbs on a trap bar, Steve Johnson isn’t “strong” because he’s not using a barbell.

This is the definition of dogmatic

@dors.sc1

4 жыл бұрын

sorry the truth is too dogmatic

@pineapplepizza4016

4 жыл бұрын

@@dors.sc1 It's not truth it's an opinion.

@hugomcdermott2118

4 жыл бұрын

It's dogmatic because the trap bar is a viable option for some people, in some situations. For example, to reiterate Alan Thralls point in a recent video of his, the trap bar is a great tool if you want a less taxing deadlift variation using the "high handles" whilst still getting decent work in. Implementing this every month or so, for me at least, has worked wonders for my overall ability to recover.

@Cenot4ph

4 жыл бұрын

@@hugomcdermott2118 just deadlift with less load, is there any argument for the trap bar

@DirtyRidin661

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. there is. DOD isn’t going to spend time how to properly deadlift, and the trap bar is more natural for people. We’re talking about training marines and grunts, not oly and powerlifters. Rip’s opinions on military fitness are always redundant.

I saw the KZread video of Rip answering an older lifter's question about the trap bar. Two weeks later, this video feels like Rip doubling down on silliness. 1. Talking about the sagittal plane and grabbing another person's trap bar at its high point in order to make it swing reminds me of watching a fast talking infomercial huckster do their thing. Nobody grabs another person's bar at its high point. And small movements of a bar at its high point (e.g. the press) requires the body to work on stabilization which doesn't strike me as being a bad thing. But I'd also add, I started using the trap bar 6 months ago and have been lifting over the 405 lbs Rip mentioned in this video, and I have never noticed any swing of the bar in any of my lifts and certainly never felt at risk or any after effects from lifting heavy with a trap bar. 2. I've always assumed that the spotters behind deadlifters at events are because people have passed out after deadlifting to the maximum of their capacity - and having felt briefly light headed after some heavy deadlift pulls, I still think that's the reason. 3. I've never met a person who has injured themselves using a trap bar for heavy lifts. I've met plenty of people who have injured themselves deadlifting with a conventional bar. 4. Greg Nuckols has a really interesting article "Trap Bar Deadlifts are Underrated" comparing the conventional and trap bar deadlifts. He beings with: "I’m a bit ashamed to admit that I used to be a barbell purist. I’m not sure how the idea got lodged in my head, but I spent quite a few years working with the assumption that barbell exercises were always (or almost always) superior to their biomechanically similar, non-barbell counterparts. It took me way too long to realize and accept that trap bar deadlifts are a superior option for most people in most contexts than the straight bar deadlift. Both research and my own self-experimentation helped me see the light." Clearly Rip's not there yet.

@MikeXCSkier

4 жыл бұрын

"Talking about the sagittal plane and grabbing another person's trap bar at its high point in order to make it swing reminds me of watching a fast talking infomercial huckster do their thing." This is great line - and accurate.

@sleepingtube

4 жыл бұрын

My best deadlift is 630. I tried to deadlift about 350 on a trap bar and had to drop it because it started to swing just a little bit. You probably wouldn't have been able to see that swinging motion, so Rip exaggerated it to make his point.

@tedp9945

4 жыл бұрын

@@sleepingtube how the hell is that even possible? I can trap bar dead lift 375, and barbell 385. And I do more barbell than trap bar

@fabioq6916

4 жыл бұрын

@@sleepingtube sorry, but that sounds weird. I trap bar for variations and out pull conventional all the time with zero swings. This sounds like bollocks to me...

@fabioq6916

4 жыл бұрын

Gareth, I saw that video too and if RIP replied to my reasonable question the way he did that guy he would have had issues. Utterly rude and disrespectful to a paying customer asking a teacher a fair question. Money back moment.

I'm getting a trap bar because I want to increase my verticle jump. The motion of lifting with a trap bar is more accurate to actually jumping than the motion of lifting a deadlift. You're inertia is being pulled forward with deadlifting, but with trap bars, it mimics a free-weight jump. I don't see how you think it isn't good for strength training though?

@wreagfe

Жыл бұрын

You can just be stronger and increase your vertical jump, i.e squat/deadlift. The implication that you have to do some sort of weighted jump exercise to increase your vertical jump that way is retarded (aka functional training).

@1stMikeWhite

11 ай бұрын

@@wreagfe you have to practice explosive training to increase your vertical. You also have to practice explosive training with weights using proper form.

Training sagittal plane instability is certainly a practical application in the military, and dare I say, life.

How do you feel about trap bar snatches?

@MrOpticBlade

4 жыл бұрын

monkeyboy441 It’s ok as long as you split snatch instead of squat snatch. Also don’t use weights just band tension.

@apag3492

4 жыл бұрын

I think it is better for squats and power cleans.

@apag3492

4 жыл бұрын

Primal Man Don't forget trap bar hammer curls, triceps extension, and shoulder shrugs. An important piece of gym equipment.

@FirstDateFrt

4 жыл бұрын

​@@MrOpticBlade picturing someone doing this im dieing laughing 🤣💀

@lots3799

4 жыл бұрын

How do you feel about trapping a snatch in a bar???

All these starting strength moustaches are beginning to make me think Rip has some sort of Cult in Texas.

@fsmoura

4 жыл бұрын

A mustache cult.

@connorw360

4 жыл бұрын

@Pentex dont be silly wrap ur willy

@robhost4271

4 жыл бұрын

Pentex can confirm. Having a mustache instills a sense of pride and camaraderie and is great for a culture. I exclusively join mustache cults now

@Propane_Acccessories

4 жыл бұрын

He's just angry because that shack outside La Grange closed down in '73

@lots3799

4 жыл бұрын

Now I hate Tom Selleck.

This is the kind of person who was against the horseless carriage and the electric light.

If the title of this video was "why the trap bar is useless for competitive power lifters" it would have been a fine video.

Completely disagree. You’re still picking up a weight from the floor. Yes it changes the position of the back and the location of your grip, but to call it useless and “so dissimilar” from the deadlift is wrong. We trained novice athletes on this and when they transitioned to a barbell, their conventional deadlift increased.

@richardmann4006

4 жыл бұрын

Iron Adversity wouldn’t novice athletes increase performance rather quickly with proper training due to being a novice? Don’t novice lifters progress initially faster than advanced lifters? May be a factor.

@ironadversity2500

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Mann trap bar deadlifts are far less technical and allow newer lifters to pick up weight off the floor without so much gamble on their form killing their lumbars. My point is that the trap bar is not useless.

@dankdark974

3 жыл бұрын

Its called the novice effect. Trap bar does not recruit the posterior chain like an actual deadlift.

I can picture him petting a barbell telling it it's still superior

@johnjohntv1195

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

I fucking love the trap bar deadlift. The most primal of exercises. Works so many muscles. Combine this with a landmine press and you're golden.

The trap bar is great for mimicking a squat (hips low - knees forward) and keeping the barbell weight off my back. You get a great amount of leg volume with the trap bar without any pressure on the back from a barbell being on it.

@nickcorona3966

Жыл бұрын

Why mimick as squat when you can squat?

I know Rip is a legend, but he is as likeable as Isis.

@moroteseoinage

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Judd you apologize to ISIS, mister.

@ClearlyVague1

4 жыл бұрын

@@moroteseoinage nah fuck ISIS. apologize to rip

@gooddeedsbeatbad2625

4 жыл бұрын

I got put on to him by a mate and couldnt believe what a nasty boorish bore he was. Taking thousands of dollars off people while making them look stupid for asking a question. His way or no way??

@MilanoMosh

4 жыл бұрын

He's only a legend because of timing. His methods are so damned simple, someone would have come up with it on their own anyway.

Oh man, I respect Mark, but this video is silly. I've strictly trapbar deadlifted for 2 years now and went from 475lbs to 675lbs in that time. It's much safer than conventional/sumo, allows more overload of the upperback/traps/quads/everything. It will make you strong. If anyone wants to read an informative article about the TB Deadlift and why it is great, see greg knuckols in depth article: www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/. Not everyone is confined to powerlifting.

@harris2898

4 жыл бұрын

If you train deadlifts to strengthen your upperback/traps/quads you are missing the point. The trap bar deadlift is not a good substitution of the conventional, exactly because the conventional deadlift stresses the back and torso muscles (which is the fucking point of the exercise) more while TBD DOESNT. You may get stronger in that exercise, as with all other exercises, but that doens't say much about your back and your hamstrings. If you stop conventional deadlifting, you stop effectively strengthening these muscle groups. In a strength-based program that's extremely problematic. Seriously, its funny how so many people simply don't listen to the point Mark makes and simply spew their dogshit all over the place.

@trevjcandy3632

4 жыл бұрын

Harris do some heavy trap bar deadlifts and tell me your back and torso muscles haven’t been worked lol

@coopaloop727272

4 жыл бұрын

@@harris2898 no offense, but what you said makes zero sense. I know it makes all of those areas stronger. I literally just pulled 5 plates conventional after strictly trapbar deadlifting for a long time. My squat is 450. I hipthrust 600lbs for reps. I weigh 195lbs.Read the article. Greg knuckols knows his shit. Saying you can't strengthen those areas by doing alternative exercises is dogmatic thinking. If you did good mornings, hipthrusts, and squats you would pull big numbers without even deadlifting.

@coopaloop727272

4 жыл бұрын

@@trevjcandy3632 seriously. It's a great exercise and heavily underated. Him saying it doesn't work those areas is just rediculous.

@harris2898

4 жыл бұрын

@@coopaloop727272 I never said TBDs dont work your back. What I said is TBDs dont work your back as much as a conventional deadlift would. That's the argument Rip is using and that is the one that makes sense to me. You might be a very strong dude. Your personal experience is not evidence for or against the argument Mark is presenting. The reason why im being a spastic, replying to internet comments, is because you criticize something without any proper argumentation against it. You lifting heavy weights says NOTHING about the effectiveness of your training. You need to introduce a lot more parameters (such as time spend in the gym daily, years spent training, dieting habits and so on) in order to make a point here, and you clearly do none o fthat. After 10 years of lifting, I might as well lift '5 plates' conventional, with dogshit form and dogshit training method.

I'm repping 600# on my new trap bar, and I love it. Has anyone actually seen someone get hurt with a trap bar due to instability in the sagittal plane? Identifying a potential force vector doesn't equate to actual probability of injury.

@touchofgrace3217

2 жыл бұрын

As a sports massage therapist who specializes in infantry related injuries I can tell you that not one of my clients has been injured using a hex bar. I’ve lost count of the ones who were injured using a barbell due to the higher skill requirement.

@micahneely6542

2 жыл бұрын

Update, 700# on the trap bar feels fine, and that's at least 50# higher than I can straight bar deadlift. I worked up to it slowly, and I could do more, but that's all that fits given my current plates. I can feel a sagittal axis instability component if I think about it, but if I was to lose balance I can't imagine I wouldn't just drop the weight. Unsure why that would be dangerous.

@skurland78748

9 ай бұрын

Get you some hundos. @@micahneely6542

Trap bar is by NO means a replacement for deadlift, but I have found this to be a great ACCESSORY lift for hamstrings. It adds variety to your program. Also, I have to train for a car deadlift event, and the apparatus has a setup very similar to a trap bar. The trap bar has its place, but it is NOT A REPLACEMENT for the deadlift.

@1stMikeWhite

Жыл бұрын

Whats the point of a deadlift if there isn't any benefit and you just injure yourself over time?

@Unknown-mt2qp

6 ай бұрын

Yes it is a replacement for the deadlift. Deal with it

@rad_lad_2715

4 ай бұрын

As long as you hinge the weight up, the trap bar can replace the conventional deadlift entirely

One question: if the trap bar is so dangerous, where are all the bodies?

@mattzilla331

4 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of ppl including myself who pulled something on deadlifts with a bar. How many ppl do I know hurt themselves with a trap bar? Zero. Not saying it never happens. But this is retarded to say the trap bar deadlift is dangerous

@takkie2089

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, as far as i have heard there are absolutely no statistics to back Rip's claim up, more likely even the opposite.

@anomynous8113

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattzilla331 it tears your biceps easier

@gardnert1

4 жыл бұрын

Just wait. The Army is implementing the new test now. Although you wouldn't know it since it still hasn't figured out how to issue enough equipment to actually run a test...

@startingstrength

4 жыл бұрын

Up your butt, Mike.

"Dont lift weights" - Rip 2020

@caracallaseverus3412

4 жыл бұрын

"Only kiss boys, not men." - Andy Dick 2021

@tmcdougald

3 жыл бұрын

😂

"And you know what else grinds my gears!?!??" Is all I heard during this video.

The trap bar gives you a fantastic workout. My deadlift improved drastically after working out with the trap bar. I like old school training but I gladly accept newer technology.

Greg Nuckols article about the hinge squat continuum destroys the whole “it’s not a deadlift, it’s a squat” argument, so I’ll just move on from that. The most reasonable point Rip brings up is the vertical arm grip, which I can definitely agree is optimal for pulling maximal weight. In fact, I know some trap bar manufacturers (like Kabuki Strength) have adjustable handle widths, which I think goes a long way towards remedying that issue. Otherwise though, I don’t really consider the TBDL all that worrisome. Use it as an accessory if you do powerlifting or strongman (like Alan Thrall), or even as a primary lift if you’re not interested in competition. I fail to see the harm done in that approach.

@CaptainTechnical

4 жыл бұрын

ATimelessParadox thanks for the post I hadn’t come across the Nuckles article. Based on the article you’re right that the TBDL is closer to a hinge than a squat. But the barbell deadlift is still more of a hinge than the TBDL. So Rippetoe is correct that the TBDL doesn’t train the back as much as the barbell DL. Although he did overstate it when he said the TBDL was more of a squat. From the article, “For the conventional deadlift... The ratio of peak hip moment to peak knee moment was 3.68:1.” And “For the trap bar deadlift... The ratio of peak hip moment to peak knee moment was 1.78:1.” That’s a big difference. In my view, since you should also be squatting, the traditional DL will give you a more well-rounded training routine. But if I had the time and needed more volume I might add the TBDL. Nuckels does have some things to say about back injuries, etc, but I think his arguments are very weak here. For any weightlifting routine you should be progressively loading more stress. Maybe more weight, maybe more volume, depending on your goals. Injuries can happen when you try too much. But this is true of knee injuries too, not just the back. And I don’t think rounding the back has the magical property of causing injuries. It’s part of the back’s normal range of motion. Rounding the back during a traditional DL is bad because you’re not strengthening the erector spinae muscles - not because it’ll cause injury. Here’s the link to the Nuckols article www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/

@greglnuckols

4 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainTechnical The bigger point is that trap bar simply gives you more degrees of freedom. You can make your trap bar DL relatively quad-dominant, or you can make it as hip-dominant as an RDL (or anything in between). It's not inherently more quad-dominant. Also, for training purposes, I'd say that absolute hip moments (which are very similar) matter considerably more than the ratio of knee to hip moments.

@BigUriel

4 жыл бұрын

​@@CaptainTechnical Another important take away is not just the hip:knee torque ratio, but also how the actual forces compare in absolute terms. The hip torque is actually very similar between the two, the reason for the different ratio is that the trap bar deadlift has much higher knee torque (though still not anywhere near as high as in a squat). So trap bar deadlifts don't train the hips any less, they just train the knees more. And something else that's interesting is how the hip:knee torque ratio is lower on the sumo deadlift than the trap bar deadlift, and when you compare the squat/deadlift variations in a hip:knee torque ratio continuum you see that the trap bar deadlift is by far the closest to the barbell deadlift, with the sumo being the "least deadlift like" (and most "squat like") of the deadlift variations. And for a given % of maximum load, the sumo does in fact produce lower hip torque and lower posterior chain activation, unlike the trap bar. So all the negative things people usually have to say about the trap bar deadlift aren't just wrong (or at the very least grossly exagerated), but they apply far, far more so to the sumo deadlift. Which most of these people would indeed consider a valid and "real" deadlift. Proving that the issue people have with the trap bar deadlift has really nothing to do with it's effectiveness as a strength exercise, or the muscles it recruits, but simply because it's not a straight barbell, which they seem to think has some magical proprieties that make every conceivable movement that the human body is capable of better by using it. It's just bar racism.

The overhead press is also unstable at the top of the movement. Farmers walks and shrugs with the trap bar are hugely better than with a barbell. Also, farmers walks are very unstable.

@claudej.montgomery9421

2 жыл бұрын

Yea but you’re stabling 135lbs of weight above your body. Tell me one exercise that strengthens your serratus anterior like OHP.

Thanks for the video, and explanation. Just ordered my trap/hex bar.

@skurland78748

9 ай бұрын

TWO trap bars. ;-)

I can get into a pretty strong biomechanical position with the trap bar, with a barbell I have to go quite a bit lighter and its very difficult to get into position. I do agree with what he's saying, especially the grip width. I wish the trap bar I have was a little narrower.

“In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few” The trap bar is the only way I can still deadlift and reap the benefits. I’ve had four structural knee surgeries for a fractured kneecap I suffered years ago. I simply can’t barbell deadlift due to that. It’s not form based, it’s structural. The bar unloaded just lightly rolling up my knee by rep 3 or 4 has the ability to cause intense swelling and pain. This keeps me out of the gym and makes it impossible for me to ever properly load the exercise for any benefit. Nothing I can do about that. Trap bar allows me to keep doing a variation of my favourite exercise. Would I prefer to do barbell? Obviously. But life isn’t that simple or cut and dry. This is a super disappointing video to see from someone I have much respect for. If someone was in a wheelchair would you say “seated shoulder press is trash. Standing overhead press is the ONLY way.” Come on Mark....

@TrustNJesusChrist

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. You can still get good strength gains from trap bar lifts, and if you need to focus on a particular body part that is being neglected, you can always target them seperately. There is more than one way to skin a cat and become strong. The main concern will always be safety and well being. The old meatheads can get off it. Besides, a person who truly is into fitness/bodybuilding/powerlifting etc.. would not shun a popular exercise equipment to begin with. Variety is the spice of life as well.

@thomasbrogan9102

3 жыл бұрын

Nice quote

@Beeftitan

3 жыл бұрын

I think an SSC would do you well. I have never touched my knee with a deadlift. The bar is to be placed 1 inch off the shins and then slides of the thighs. It does not slide up the shins, kneecaps and thighs

@michaelmonkey6541

3 жыл бұрын

I just started kettlebells and they rock....

@LTPottenger

3 жыл бұрын

I would suggest you do seated deadlifts/hacksquats. They are a good move for anyone to use but very obvious for your situation. The trap bar is mainly there if you have to have neutral shoulders for some reason not for leg issues. I think rip also has some guys in wheelchairs who do exactly this.

Rip has nice theoretical arguments as always, but I don't think any of this has been observed in practice.

@datguy4104

4 жыл бұрын

Literally no one has ever been injured by the trap bar going back and forth. I don't think he's ever actually used one.

@canererbay8842

4 жыл бұрын

What nice theoretical arguments? I didn't here any.

@TrustNJesusChrist

4 жыл бұрын

@@datguy4104 If anyone was ever injured from the trap bar, they deserve the injury. AGAIN, the trap bar's selling point IS its stability. Your center of gravity is not pulled like the deadlifts with bars. You are supposed to lift straight up with your feet nice and planted underneath you. How could you fuck this up?! Its not that hard to control.

@straitpepperdiet

4 жыл бұрын

Huffman_Tree He literally wrote the book. I think he would know.

@forbesfoofighters

4 жыл бұрын

Lee Everett I’ve been hurt by a trap bar, and I deserved it. Lol I can attest to this

Trap bar is one of my favorite exercises. I highly recommend it.

I'm a fan of Rip but I love the trap bar. It's pretty versatile, can be used for farmer carries, rows, RDL's, and yes deadlifts for those of us who do not wish to use a barbell anymore. I also have yet to see someone get hurt using a Trap bar.

His argument doesn't change the fact that the barbell deadlift has a mass in front of your center of mass while the trap bar allows you to position yourself directly under the bars center of mass which is far better for your back. No amount of arm waving or hysteria will change that fact which is why almost every lifter who does both finds the trap bar is better for their lower back.

@GoalOrientedLifting

4 жыл бұрын

He's just saying that if you want a backangle which is very vertical then you're already getting it for squats, so it's unnecessary redundancy. The deadlift and squat are suppose to be a symbiotic relationship, because the differences in backangle and use of legs enhances the gains for both exercises. If you just have a squat and trapbar deadlift then you don't get this benefit, because they are too similar.

@MrKT410

4 жыл бұрын

@@GoalOrientedLifting but the EMG studies have showed otherwise. While a trap bar deadlift works the back, hams, and glutes less than a straight bar, it works them much more than a squat. The emg studies have showed a trap bar are more comparable to a straight bar deadlift than that of a squat.

@ethanking4954

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrKT410 yeah over read they as well I'm not sure what rip is talking about.

It’s really a shame many young lifters listen to this fella like it’s gospel. What about the crazy idea of trap bar deadlifting AND straight bar deadlifting?!? Crazy idea, I know.

Oh shit, what if I accidentally violently and aggressively try to swing the trap bar at the top of the lift while I'm holding 400+ pounds? Never thought of that before!

Trap bar will build the overall legs when you hinge properly while bending the knees slightly. A regular bar will target the back side far better. Best to incorporate both exercises for overall leg development.