Some of you mentioned that the role players can't shoot: I cut this for time, but the interesting thing is the role players all have solid percentages! DJJ is 33% from the corner in his career. (Just 30% Above the break) PJ Washington is 35% in his career. Josh Green is 38% in his career. But outside of Hardaway Jr., these other 3 players (especially DJJ and Green) are far more SELECTIVE as shooters, so their percentages are "curated" because of lower volume. Part of the gambit is inviting them to shoot at volume, instead of attacking closeouts or rotating so they pass to better shooters.

@narungchaijackson5773

27 күн бұрын

I think this is more pick your poison then anything OKC has "figured out"

@aaronpeters6209

27 күн бұрын

33% & 35% are not solid. Something like Greene's 38% is. 36.6% is the nba average this year. Those look even worse when converting EFG%. (50% & 53%). League average EFG% this year was 54.7%. I generally think ideal is 39%+ this will be on par with league average TS%. A value proposition you'd feel less inclined allow if you're an opposing defense. Over the course of a series. Giving up 3pt shots to Washington & Jones should net you substantially better odds of winning. Versus, letting Luka & Kyrie carve up your defense & allowing easy high percentage looks to Lively/Gafford. That big man pair average 20 ppg on like 75%TS . Denying such looks is arguably a better choice, if it means giving up a 3pt shot to Green. Even if I'd maybe prefer to see those contested. Edit: OKC has very likely has definitely done a proper risk management analysis in this regard. As PJ Washington & Jones Jr open 3pt%'s aren't better than 35-36%. Best to live with such variance than to give up easy pick and roll dunks, putbacks, foul shots.

@narungchaijackson5773

27 күн бұрын

@@aaronpeters6209 Jones, Green and Washington shot a combined 42% from 3 Tuesday...leaving them alone isn't why they won. Great point by the way.

@salvagaming4678

27 күн бұрын

Solid percentages??? 33% from the corner is terrible and so is 30% above the break. 35% is not good either. Josh is low volume. Aren't you supposed to be the data nba nerd? You can't be serious.

@galactik8222

27 күн бұрын

@@salvagaming4678 💀we found a casual here guys

Who’s here after the Mavs won the series because their shooters were left wide open? 😂😂😂

@mitchelldavis9372

2 күн бұрын

Next series proved this was the right strategy. Bad shooters can just get hot. Luka pick and roll was unbeatable

PJ Washington goes 7/10 from deep and this video pops up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Dopeboynumba1

27 күн бұрын

Thunder were asking for it doing this stupid shit Daignault needs to be tested

@byronveasley9931

27 күн бұрын

Yea crazy timing for this video to drop after the mavs role players have a good shooting night 🤔

@Dopeboynumba1

27 күн бұрын

@@byronveasley9931 this video was out before the game. Waay before the game

@jeangazo5425

27 күн бұрын

Josh green shot 60% from outside

@ExplodingPoteto

26 күн бұрын

Okc are good. Hella good for a young team. But lets be honest, them beating dallas in 7 games is not gonna happen.

This is where the services of Maxi Kleber will be sorely missed. He's the one guy who can actually shoot 3's on a decent clip especially in the corner.

@samn90834

27 күн бұрын

He always would allow them to switch pick n rolls. Dallas are forced to play drop with Gafford/Lively. Kleber is a huge miss

@jaycartier02

27 күн бұрын

It’s always the role players that are keys for a playoff dub

@jolosarmiento24

27 күн бұрын

This is what makes Chet a true unicorn. He can do all of the things the opposing bigs can do all in one package. Kleber’s 3 point shooting, Lively’s roll and lob threat as a high flyer, Gafford’s paint protection

@samn90834

27 күн бұрын

@@jolosarmiento24 also Klebers switch ability and ability to hold up guarding in space

@ThinkingBasketball

27 күн бұрын

Huge loss for this series. He's also comfortable shooting at volume when left open (eg he'll take 5 3s in a quarter)

This aged well....

@mitchelldavis9372

2 күн бұрын

3 weeks later and this is unironically true. Not doing this made it even worse for the timberwolves. OKC was 1 point away from a game 7 at home instead

You owe the Mavs an apology. Their role players and coaching staff were amazing, but I assume you’ll stay quiet until their next loss. Disappointed is an understatement

@nickmclawhorn5559

12 күн бұрын

He owes the Mavs an apology for analyzing why they lost game 1?

@KlayGoods123

12 күн бұрын

@@nickmclawhorn5559He only makes videos when the Mavs lose, goes ghost when they win

man did this backfire or what?

This strategy cost them dearly on game 2 😅

@rileyw7623

25 күн бұрын

And 3

I'm no mathematician, but I don't think this shit working.

I’ve came to a realization this guy doesn’t like Dallas. Last few Dallas videos have been basically “this is why Dallas sucks” videos

@vc5917

17 күн бұрын

I knows he mad lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

man i was waiting for wolves defense game 2 but this is still great

@Florian-yk8vg

27 күн бұрын

listen to the podcast. ben and cody talk about that game 2 a lot in the recent episode.

@xavierb9061

27 күн бұрын

Best defensive playoff game alltime, given opponent and situation

@metalfacemoviereviews8979

27 күн бұрын

Awful Coaching breaks it down 👍🏽

@michaelahurt

27 күн бұрын

Minnesota did the same thing except they left good shooters open because they all have rockets up their ass. So they have five guys around Jokic and by the time the pass arrives a defender is getting there when the ball does so there's no shot. I'm still half convinced they were on drugs. I've never seen a team play that hard for that long and they just didn't seem to get tired. An absolutely insane defensive performance. It was like having five Dennis Rodman's on the court.

@Erifamily-wm3oe

27 күн бұрын

UR SUCH A CASUAL!!!!

Well this certainly backfired in game 2 lol

@doubledrum2

24 күн бұрын

And 3 lmao

@TheSkullcrusher73

17 күн бұрын

And 6

So basically Mavs are trash at 3s and Thunder is just daring them to let their role players shoot

@fringe_minority

27 күн бұрын

It's been a story in the regular season too, the main issue is that Luka's shot is not falling this playoffs so it's hard to win when no one can hit 3s.

@montevans7110

27 күн бұрын

They put defensive players around him .

@zsomborszigeti6797

27 күн бұрын

The mavs are streaky from 3. The clippers also tried doing this and Kleber, a 35% 3point shooter just shot 50% from 3 for the series and it's similar with other players too.

@zsomborszigeti6797

27 күн бұрын

Also with Kleber injured they always have to play a non-shooting big.

@glovs4188

27 күн бұрын

Okc is only doing this cause theyre confident that they can still score more even when dallas role players shoot above 40% from deep. Dallas bigmen were forced to consistently make great defensive recoveries cause perimeter defense always gets blown by. Relying on highlight defensive stops is unreliable.

Bro always making videos when the mavs lose but crickets when they’re up.

@bombzomb4957

25 күн бұрын

Yeah these guys seem like big time mavs haters hardly ever see a postive video about the mavs from them

@nikolai_art

25 күн бұрын

They are extremely big Mavs haters. Really a joke how biased the vids are.

@user-tt1hx2nm4p

23 күн бұрын

Yea fuck Thinking B-ball and B-Ball breakdown

@AnkitSharma-qm7sg

13 күн бұрын

mavs defeat okc. nothing. mavs won game 1 vs wolves. and still diddly squat from this guy.

@nikolai_art

13 күн бұрын

@@AnkitSharma-qm7sg if the Mavs win it all, he switches the channel to „the thinking crochet connoisseur“, never talks about this whole basketball thing again. I mean, it doesn’t really matter what happens from this point on. By reaching the WCF the Mavs allready completely busted this dudes whole line of arguments.

I love how you always points out the holes in every strategy in your videos, both defense and offense. You always acknowledge that no defense and offense is perfect. There's no surefire way to win against every team every time. Every strategy is about compromises and concessions. Great game plans are about who concedes less, who played more to their strengths, who capitalized more on their opponent's weaknesses. It's always about "less and more", and not "none and all". Even the best offence is going to get stopped some time, and even the best defence is bound to have a hole. I think a lot of basketball fans missed this point, and you have some great quality content to remind them.

@Posterharpua

27 күн бұрын

playoffs are about finding a little edge to get one game...then you have to go back to the drawing board. As a mavs fan, I hate J Kidd's in game adjustments - they're non-existent...Game to Game though, he's been very good. I think OKC has more depth and better coaching, but Luka and Kyrie can win you at least two games just by sheer will. Overall, I think the Thunder win this in 6 because Luka is absolutely dogshit from 3pt this postseason. That knee is clearly a huge problem for him.

@t4d0W

24 күн бұрын

Its not just compromises but also consistency. Someone noted the Wolves played game 2 like there were five Dennis Rodmans around Jokic. I'm not surprised if the Wolves can't match that same defensive intensity in games 3 and 4. Especially when the Nuggets are healthy have the playmaking and shooting to figure out aggressive style defenses with athletes like the Wolves in the middle of the series. Also doesn't help the Wolves outside of nice shooting in game 1 don't really have a consistent bucket getting threat outside of Edwards. In the case of the Thunder/Mavs series, even if the Mavs have streaky shooters they still have the constant threat of Luka being a walking bucket in big playoff games down the stretch. Whereas the Thunder only have SGA. Even on an 'efficient' shooting night the rest of the Thunder players aren't threats to go off like Kyrie or PJ Washington on his hot streak atm.

Still waiting for these idiots to address their nonsense about Luka and Kyrie being overrated.

And then Dallas shoots 50% from 3 in game 2 with PJ Washington & Tim Hardaway Jr

See this is why I don’t pay attention to the media etc during the playoffs. Lose one game out of a best of 4 & your a bum etc.

Why the Thunder wanted to lose in 6 😂 got any more of your brilliant analysis? It’s absolutely hilarious you still couldn’t do any positive video about the Mavs, while a clearly hobbled Luka has led them to the WCF - again. You should do another video telling us how Luka doesn’t impact his teams performance 😢

2-1 since this vid. Where’s our victory video hmm?

@nikolai_art

25 күн бұрын

He never said a word about the Clippers series too, after that „8 points for a quarter“ vid, when he realized the Mavs would win. He’s just a gigantic hater, who tries to disguise his hate behind „analysis“.

@MrMathsimon

20 күн бұрын

@@nikolai_art Thinking "Idiotically" Basketball!

Good. Now make a video how this OKC strategy allowed PJ Washington to become a leading scorer on the Mavs and the reason they won game 2 and 3 by attacking that open lane with floater mismatches and 3's against Shai.

My takeaway from the video is that the mavs best ball handlers, Luka and Kyrie, are also the best 3 point shooters. They might have to do some weird plays involving those two passing to each other to get 3 pointers. Also: will we see a breakdown of TWolves defense vs Denver? Did they solve the puzzle, or is Murray just having a bad postseason?

@resurrectedpa

27 күн бұрын

Both I feel. More on the second one imo. I believe Jamal Murray in the previous year is closer to how good he actually is than his performance in this year. In the case Jamal performs like last year, Denver's offense is much more difficult to defend. Especially once the shooters can actually hit their shots like last year.

@enterpassword3313

27 күн бұрын

Refs allowing sus amount of contact also hmmmmnnnn....

@enterpassword3313

27 күн бұрын

And murray is injured not 100% healthy

@mr.bellefleur

27 күн бұрын

He did one 3days ago

@CHEWYCHEWYQQ

27 күн бұрын

I don't know why I forgot about it when I posted, I even saw it when it came out. Hope we get more breakdowns for that series eventually because it's pretty amazong.​@@mr.bellefleur

i irony that OKC lost because of poor 3 point percentage, and while they benefit from soft fouls (SGA), they ended their run by commiting foul on crucial secs 🤣

They won't be ignoring them anymore. Washington & Hardaway Jr combined for 46 points on 61% shooting, including a bunch of 3's. With a one-legged Luka & injured Kleber, the Mavs *NEEDED* this kind of contribution from the other players.

Thanks OKC for making PJ a breakout star this series !

4-2

This boasting of okc strategy implementation aged like milk on summer day

So..... 3 - 2 now. Whats your next move?

Didn’t work out so well in Game 2. Go Mavs

Update ??

Hey Thinking Basketball, why dont you make a video about how the Mavs are now hitting their 3s? Or did you happen to get too ahead of yourself after Game 1? Womp womp.

Basically running a 3-2 zone most of the time 🤧😵‍💫

@benedictjojo5761

27 күн бұрын

More of a 1-2-2 zone

Whoa! Kim's Convenience reference out of nowhere. Taylor knows basketball AND great Canadian family sitcoms.

@ThinkingBasketball

27 күн бұрын

I'm just throwing out feelers to see who else enjoys hanging out in a Toronto convenience store.

man lukas getting CLAMPED and his teammates can’t throw a rock in a swimming pool at times. it’s tough to watch.

@fringe_minority

27 күн бұрын

Yeah, I think i will be different in Dallas when they allow Mavs to be more physical. There will be more transition scoring.

@brisotlucas

27 күн бұрын

They are certainly guarding Luka very well! But it pains me to watch him struggle so much from 3 and lose his first step completely, his knee injury that he very physical Clippers series aggravated is still bothering him and the energy of the game would definitely change if that wasn't the case.

@imaginationplayground

27 күн бұрын

Yes after 6 years of the league not being able to guard him they finally figured him out OR He's injured

@xJayhawkFANx

27 күн бұрын

Bro is injured, dude.

@bigbangbasketball

27 күн бұрын

This mans need WAAAY more help

And Mavs shot lights out in game 2

Now what?

I love how this was posted today

Yea how’s that going in game 2 😂

This aged like fine garbage.

Jazz tried this against the Clippers a few years ago, and I still see Terrance Mann in my nightmares 😂 so it’s a dangerous game the Thunder are playing

@mdz_8821

27 күн бұрын

Exactly what i was thinking too lol might work for a game or two but def cant keep dallas offense quiet for that long

@austinmetheny27

27 күн бұрын

I’d actually argue the opposite. The Mavs are at their best when they get to the paint, if you take that away and make them only shoot 3s there’s a much higher chance they miss that shot compared to a 5 foot pull up or layup. It would take a monster game from the role players hitting 3s for the Mavs offense to make OKC change game plans. Maybe it happens a couple games but it won’t be a common occurrence lol

@talliban7862

27 күн бұрын

Very dangerous 😭📈

@itsbdot

25 күн бұрын

Bang

like nine thousand other videos on the fatty other euro but my pookie bear can't get 1 hype tape video in the playoffs

so blessed to live in a time where I can watch a basketball breakdown like this. thanks

If someone followed the NBA only through your KZread channel, he would think the Mavs are complete trash. So how did they win 4 games against the Clippers, and now two against OKC? And with a clearly injured Luka Doncic. Think you could overcome your hate and do a positive video about the Mavs playoffs? I guess not huh, your hate must be really really strong.

@nc987

24 күн бұрын

100% only posts a video when the mavs lose -.-

am here after Mavs won game 2

Here after PJ Washington and the Dallas role players ripped apart Thunder idiotic scheme . PJ Washington for 7 3s alone. Hardaway and green got hot too. Back to the drawing board for the thunder.

The amount of open 3's Luka generate is ridiculous.

@YourTechHomeboy

25 күн бұрын

Best iso scorer in the league

Okc fan since 2015, I think this is our best chance of winning a chip, let’s go thunder!!

@zicobond9942

27 күн бұрын

yall got time all young players from gsw fan

@falcon1378

27 күн бұрын

@@zicobond9942 Fr that championship window is huge. If they win now, they could take this entire league over. No doubt they'll still have much a chance at the chip this year as they will in 8, barring some unfortunate circumstances. I remember folks were talking about the celtics Window with Jaylen and Tatum, but the thunder have some insane talent everywhere, and most of em' are under 30.

@WindMills_

27 күн бұрын

thunder vs wolves wcf 😲

@lik7953

27 күн бұрын

@@falcon1378nah championship windows dont ever last very long. something will happen. We though Heatles would win 8, they won 2. KD warriors only won 2. That 2012 OKC thunder team, everyone thought they had a long window... never made it to the finals again. You have to take your chance when you have it, because the future is unpredictable

@kevindevlieger300

27 күн бұрын

Best chance was when they were up 3-1 to GSW.

Well, that didn't work out that well in Game 2 ...

Today in Game 2, Wash and Jr’s shots were going in. Thats the difference. Edit: I forgot that Dort got an early foul trouble today.

Hahaha they shouldnt let that again after this game 2

Lu Dort has been the best defensive guard in the league since putting the clamps on Harden in the bubble. The difference is that now they are a crafty young team and they all believe in each other. Really looking forward to Okc vs Minnie and Ant vs Dort

The Mavs loosing Maxi Kleber hurts a lot in those situations where the opponent willingly helps of the roleplayers.

I’m sorry I just trust Dallas a little more. I just don’t think that the thunder are going to beat them. I don’t know why it’s just a gut feeling for me.

These vids are so much more enjoyable during the playoffs when matchups matter and and weaknesses are exploited by good coaching and execution

Thank you for posting today is Thinking 🏀 Day!

Luka is clearly hurt and in pain. Seems like THJr didn't make a field goal since last season. Kyrie didn't show. It's tough to watch

@aaronmcnair982

27 күн бұрын

the Dortress of solitude definitely hurts

@diogotxx

27 күн бұрын

@@aaronmcnair982 talking about solitude... kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKietddtZtO6hZc.htmlsi=bTLyuGqOUqqryzQD

@diogotxx

27 күн бұрын

@@aaronmcnair982 Talking about solitude... kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKietddtZtO6hZc.html

@Erifamily-wm3oe

27 күн бұрын

HES NOT IN PAIN STOP MAKING EXCUSES, YOU'RE DEF A CELTICS FAN!!!!

1:58 why isn’t PJ Washington making. a sneak cut alongside the baseline when SGA fully commits with a lunge towards the ball? It’s not just the dared to shoot thing it’s the fact that they stay stationary making it was easier to guard. 2:59 Josh Green can flare screen Kyrie as his man is pulled in and would be in a long closeout scenario provided Green sets a solid pick before slipping to the hoop.

@chasejb03

27 күн бұрын

Cause he sucks

Defense is really coming back man, you love to see it

So what happens when the Mavs start making their 3s? It's a high risk high reward strategy, that's probably based on analytics. If the Mavs can't make 3s, then they're never going to win a ring anyway.

Man its almost like they have the coach of the year or something

LOL this didn't age well. Washington dropping 29 points off insane 3 point percentage. Also this is common defense... mavs leave Giddy open 😂 Keep it up!

The thing is luka has been 10-20% from 3 the last series as well. If he fixes that, okc could revert to the man and we could have a series

@abdulrahmanalenezi8879

27 күн бұрын

True but they’re tripling him hard in both series. Bro needs role players to hit some wide open threes

@SherpaK_

27 күн бұрын

@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879facts okc def would rather lose to josh green and thj than luka

@changed_name1951

27 күн бұрын

@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879what? There was no triple team. They only brought help on Luka when he got near the paint. There wasn’t even a double team to get the ball out of his hands. Luka fanboys just type anything to try and excuse his bad performance.

@Striker_7373

27 күн бұрын

His knee is shot, his step back is very leg strength/stability dependent. I don’t think his percentages will pick up very much during this year’s run. The best hope is that he can bring down his 3p volume a bit and Kyrie can be more aggressive to balance it out.

@orkodork2764

27 күн бұрын

@@abdulrahmanalenezi8879Luka knee clearly been a problem. Luka has been settling for like 10 setbacks a game and missing a majority of them

OKC is so damn good

Not in game 2. Tim is streaky but anytime can be hot just like PJ and Jones.

Mavs just gotta hit shots

Here after the 2nd win 😂😂😂

Shouldn’t this video and comments be about how bad OKC are that Luka is clearly injured and playing well below his normal playoff output and yet the Mavs are still up 2-1

one of the reason maxi injury hits them hard

I swear to God every time the Warriors tried this game plan this season, some guy you've never heard of who shoots 25% from 3 would go 7/10 from 3

@talliban7862

27 күн бұрын

👀💀 you gamble?

Need those corner guys to cut for easy lobs, those defenders are ball watching! Need offensive guys to stay active.

@reset-dream93

27 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing especially if DJJ is cutting he has stupid bounce. Also I think they shouldn’t just settle for the 3 they should drive in when they have the ball. I think that would cause chaos because everyone would be focus on the drive that luka could slip back out to the 3 and be wide open. I’m no head coach but I think it could work.

@bigdaddydzzzzzz

27 күн бұрын

Except you have one of the best rim protectors in the league in Chet waiting there. Thunder also lead the league in turnovers caused and deflections. It’s a dangerous game. They won all year because you have to match them with small ball and shooting or they just overrun you.

@reset-dream93

27 күн бұрын

@@bigdaddydzzzzzz unless you want to switch up your entire offensive scheme that’s the only thing you can do unless they finally hit open 3s. Maybe they could make Dante run the high pick in roll and leave luka and kyrie off ball. That way they are less likely to run that defense but now the ball outta there best players hands. It will be interesting to see what Dallas does.

....and this is why they lost Game 2 😂 PJ cooked the Thunder

The energy and team ball from the Thunder is such a thrill to watch! Will be curious if some of these open 3's for the Mavs start going in game 2 or especially when they get back to Dallas.

Didn’t work tonight unfortunately

Dort is allowed a level of physicality on defense that Mavs were not.

For OKC to be this good already with 10+ 1st round picks still in their back pocket. Dynasty incoming.

@grapplermodel

25 күн бұрын

lol not yet

every time josh green got the ball in the corner i already knew the possession was ending there without a single point

This aged like a fine milk

Is the title of this video a play on the iconic Switchfoot song "I Dare You to Move"? 😆

All them corner 3s are something to regret for OKC now lmao

Thinking basketball is on their A game for the playoffs: I've been loving these breakdowns!

It’s so funny seeing people sitting on their coach not giving okc and especially Lu dort defense credit when you got nba players praising them night in and night out. Great video i think the physicality in this playoffs will go in the favor of OKC and their amazing defense but also. Nobody on the mavs team can defend SGA or JDUB without fouling so OKC is a TUFF team to beat

@ouonouanwilfried-desire7758

27 күн бұрын

Luka got him in foul trouble in no time tho

@eezzyfeezycash978

27 күн бұрын

@@ouonouanwilfried-desire7758 he’s been there before he got those fouls because he settled the physical tone early he wont go for those anymore

@gospaironija2762

27 күн бұрын

If refs would call fouls on Luka the same as they did for sga he would shoot 20 of them in first half and Lu would sit in 2q down with 4 fouls to his name

@austinmetheny27

27 күн бұрын

@@gospaironija2762found the Mavs fan!

@eezzyfeezycash978

27 күн бұрын

@@gospaironija2762 cope more lmao luka shoot as much ft as shai gtfo

the Tony Allen treatment for OKC fans is the Andre Roberson treatment

Quite now…

Can’t wait for a SGA Ant matchup. Two young and energetic teams, two best guards in the league.

@PantsaBear

27 күн бұрын

Ant isnt better than Brunson, hes just more exciting and has more potential

@parkerC1990s

27 күн бұрын

You ain’t getting and SGA Ant matchup

@boibng7861

27 күн бұрын

@@PantsaBear Defense matters, Ant is around all-defense level on that end

@Marvellous328

26 күн бұрын

@@PantsaBear Brunson is outstanding this post season, I’d say it’s close, but personally I’d still take Ant over him.

@TheSkullcrusher73

25 күн бұрын

You might have to wait a while

Didn't sink in well huh? Hahaha. Daring Dallas to shoot ain't a good game plan. Maybe for 1 game hahaha

You got an update video to this?

@AnkitSharma-qm7sg

13 күн бұрын

total luka & mavs hater.

Kim's Convenience! love the reference

I see an upload, I click!

Is there a link to the full video? Really interested to see this whole conversation.

great mavs took game 2!

Watching this during the game 2 time-outs, It helped me a lot to understand why OKC are letting so much space to Dallas Role players, Thanks !

Best breakdowns of all-time

i was literally thinking this when watching the game !!!

“Why are the reffs helping the Thunder so much” there I fixed it

I am learning to understand basketball with every single upload. Thank you, Ben! DORTURE CHAMBER!

maybe I'm wrong but I don't think this is a sustainable strategy. Dallas might suck at shooting threes but just letting them launch gimmes is gonna lose the Thunder games too.

holy fuck this aged poorly

@iansteelmatheson

25 күн бұрын

not at all. they pointed out in the video that the thunder's role players could change the series if they started making shots. and they did in game 2. but they probably won't be able to all series.

love the kims convenience reference

Mavs will win one game when they get hot from 3 but is sure look like the Thunder series to win

cant do it against PJ tho !!