Is there a way out of techno-feudalism? Let us know in the comments below! To watch the full talk visit iai.tv/video/the-new-ruling-class-yanis-varoufakis?KZread&+comment

@4jeffinseattle

2 жыл бұрын

The media is the Massage Marshal Mcluhan

@defenderofwisdom

2 жыл бұрын

Whever there is a commons there is a gateway to private payment!

@hiufgterde

2 жыл бұрын

It’s about freedom of speech. Journalism is all about getting the click revenue these days. Politicians like you to think one way, that’s the real threat.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

Presumably your solutions to have nothing to do with whatever it is that is called "the cloud." As far as I can tell, I don't knowing the or consciously have anything to do with whatever "the cloud might be- I rightly or wrongly assume it to be somebody else's computer, but then I am an old duffer that still thinks that television is a mystery and they wonder, If not as good as the wireless or what people call the radio

@gyozakeynsianism

2 жыл бұрын

"Techno-feudalism" "Cloudist" "Cloud-based ruling class" All buzzwords, no substance. Ironic for a critique of algorithm-based marketing.

Yanis Varoufakis' voice fills me with hope and strength. ....aaand KZread just commodified that.

I think that his analysis, which of course i fully support, still misses one key factor about artificial intelligence: the fact that they not artificial at all. What i mean by this is that behind these "algorithms" there are thousands of workers employed in what is now know as micro-working spending hours and hours performing the most repetitive and stupid task (like labelling an image or select pedestrians inside of it) whose output will be later on fed to the algorithm, or directly sold to the market. This of course is done with the minimum cost possible, with workers spending their entire working day for just a few dollars, and this is the true human cost of these cloud-based systems. Phil Jones' Work without the worker is a great analysis of this phenomenon and i find it incredibily interesting how big tech companies are still able to push their rethoric of "algorithms" and "ai" as a tool for the liberation of human-kind from work. I apoligise for the form in which i scrabbled this comment but i'm not a native english speaker.

@shiracohenyoga3492

2 жыл бұрын

Important point.

@idiotsavant751

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, humans are always at the center of every injustice. The machines carry the intent of their controllers who also control these workers. It’s important to remember machines cannot do anything without people

@ianisles2537

2 жыл бұрын

Don't have to apologize dude. Language is a wild ride, and I totally grok you.

@angelialvares

2 жыл бұрын

I watched a video where a research student of AI said that so far the furthest they have gotten with AI is to imbibe it with the brain capacity of an earthworm. These nouveau capitalists are also too stupid to be able to take over the Planet. You need history, geography, philosophy and a good idea of multiple disciplines to take over the Human race. In short you can fool some people all the time, and fool all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time. One way to free oneself from endless mind manipulation is to reduce wi fi or remove it completely from one's life, except for an emergency need. Secondly is to get into living a real life that is heavily physical, such as growing one' own food etc which leaves you little or no time for bullshit ads thrown at you or you skip the ads. Internet is a good place to get info on ideas that can improve your home garden or your creative side. As you wean yourself from internet you find you need it less and less. There are now days when I don't get into internet at all and my cunning phone is switched off so there are no interruptions to daily excursions into the real world or the windmills of my mind. I'm enjoying now reminiscing about the past and how lucky I was to be born in the last century when the real world was at my fingertips and the excitement of experiences and music and art and conversations were REAL and palpable and felt as waves of energy and emotions, ups and downs and always a personal learning experience instead of this present day intruding other's (usually a self appointed expert) experience with videos on what to eat and what not to eat or do. and shadow music, art and sound and talk shows in 2 D put up by people usually interested in view counts and getting their monthly salary who are pressurized to find ways of cooking up new mantras to keep you as a subscriber.. Hopefully the younger generations will find their way out sooner or later and fix their guillotine to rid themselves of this new menace to real living and the joys it can bring in a permanent and satisfying way.

@j3ffn4v4rr0

2 жыл бұрын

That's interesting...I'd like to know more about the many underpaid workers feeding the algorithm. The new-ish algorithms (like CLIP and DALL-E 2) rely on millions of hand-captioned images....and I already realize, what many people do not know, is that when you fill out a Captcha (like, "check the boxes with traffic lights") you are actually training AI image recognition. (remember when Captcha was usually asking you to tell what some smudged text said?) It's not that it already knows the answer and wants to make sure you do, too...it's the opposite! It doesn't know yet, and needs to find out from you. You fail the Captcha only when you don't respond similarly to other humans. But it's disheartening to think there are also armies of low-paid human drones also working to build this system for the billionaires.

Yanis, I gotta say... You're good. You're damn good! No one could have expressed it better. You nailed it

@Skynet_the_AI

2 жыл бұрын

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@naveed210

2 жыл бұрын

what did Yanis say just before the bit where he said "this is big"?

Thank you Yanis. You are a continuous inspiration! All profits are rents in a world where all needs are manufactured and satisfied by capital. Claudalism is the latest iteration of the machine we call civilization that functions to produce and accumulate economic surplus while fooling us into believing that life was meant to be this way.

@michaelweinstein3056

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly and counterintuitively, I'm cautiously optimistic that the demand side, AKA the consumers, of this novel artificial advertising structure are becoming more and more aware of their own manipulation. I think this might have something to do with the different speeds at which the different technologies involved progress. For instance, think of how incredible advanced networked computing is compared to the still rather primitive and limited abilities of our "artificial intelligent" assistants (they aren't definitionally artificial intelligent at all- the vernacular has been usurped). Until (or perhaps, if ever) these artificial assistants are capable of rigorously performing very generalized tasks and communicating to the consumer in a manner that is fundamentally human-like, the ever-growing disparity between these two technologies merely serves to further frustrate people because it reveals how nakedly insidious the attempts of their manipulation are. It's turning out to be the case that even faux-generalized artificial intelligence, as maybe was best represented in the film "Her", is proving to be very difficult to achieve. As long as this part of the novel idea that Yanis is proposing remains still insect-like in even it's portrayal of actual intelligence, let alone the real thing, the chain remains unlinked. And the widening gap between what the "cloudalists" WANT and HOW they might achieve it only further undermines their goals. Just spitballing here- I miiiiiight be wrong.

@naveed210

2 жыл бұрын

what did Yanis say just before the bit where he said "this is big"?

@peternyc

2 жыл бұрын

@@naveed210 I don't know, but I would guess he is telling us that any economic actor that has the power to make the manufacturing sector its vassal is "big."

Wow...this is unimaginably profound. Kudos to the man who has this perspective and conceptualised this ....

@Skynet_the_AI

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, nice ...concept.

@lambrosbagatelas35

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Kudos to the man who (when became a finance minister) added 20 billion euros to our debt and drove the banks almost to a bank ran!

@naveed210

2 жыл бұрын

what did Yanis say just before the bit where he said "this is big"?

@olivierbolton8683

2 жыл бұрын

actually the concept is simple...insinuate yourself between your competition and your buyer. Using present day technology, its a logical evolution. What is more profound is that tech in general, from the advent of the wheel has been feeding off human grey matter in the same way an algorithm works. Now it is a full fledged parasitic life form sucking all knowledge into itself. It is mutating at the speed of thought...much faster than light...and the 'cloudalists' have themselves become a slave to its needs. This energy can now be captured and transferred anywhere in space and time...

@ardd.c.8113

2 жыл бұрын

well, not a man, mind you, I believe Shoshana Zuboff brought this whole idea together a couple of years ago already in her book The age of surveillance capitalism. Not to say that anyone ever invents these kind of ideas on their own ofcourse.

“Know thyself” includes knowing one’s emotional response to the systems of manipulation and control. This…is the key to being free. One must ramp up their awareness as the technology beast grows

@santerisatama5409

Жыл бұрын

The Finnish translation of 'gnothi seauton' is "Tunne itsesi". Translating from Finnish to English gives: "Feel thyself". Some could say "Know thyself" in the Biblical sense. Any case, the maxim does not advice to fixate on a self-image. I would say that feeling thyself starts from bodily awareness, the sense of being.

You can disagree w Varoufakis’ solutions to problems, but the way he sees and articulates what is really going on is incredible. I always listen when he speaks.

We have reached a point in history where our technology snd innovation is progressing at a faster past than our ability to understand the impact and regulate.

@jaylucas8352

2 жыл бұрын

We are losing our selves

@jamescgardner1269

Жыл бұрын

Yep, we definately have to focus on this. If it's not 'win win' it's coercion and it's antisocial..

How really bad was an pandemic when we " needed " a war that could have been diplomatically avoided?

Interesting... until the video stopped mid-sentence. Ad blockers don't affect bait and switch tactics (however ironically appropriate to the topic they may be)

@HigoWapsico

2 жыл бұрын

Amen brother! It’s the worst, with people who just look around and see that some creators get money for their craft, and they want to do so as well...which I understand. But they are yet spend a single second on creating a coherent path, which is quick and seamless. i’d love to see the end of it, but on general principle, I’m not going to a different website in which there’s probably a hidden fee, cuz they just revealed how they think.

@naveed210

2 жыл бұрын

@@HigoWapsico what did Yanis say just before the bit where he said "this is big"?

Thanks for sharing this content with us! It is important to keep some kind of skepticism about new tech.

It's the matrix. The thing that is even more nerve racking is how EXCITED children are to connect to the matrix. Even if you control your kids environments their culture almost demands a certain amount of media saturation. This has always been true but the issue now is that over saturation is the standard. No breaks or disconnection is allowed.

@timecrook1003

Жыл бұрын

Not yet, were actually at WestWorld level right now. Then comes Terminator and finally the Matrix. SkyNet's official btw, its already up & active.

I suggest puppeteers rather than cloudalists. Thanks for the brilliant analysis, Yanis.

@halloola3636

2 жыл бұрын

As if "economist" and bankster Varoufakis was not one of their puppets...

@xpengfangirl7942

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for your point, hindenberg was the right word to nail hydrogen to death

@bearclaw007

2 жыл бұрын

@@halloola3636 Nice try, pendejo.

@pault6347

2 жыл бұрын

Theives. THEFT. Forced transactions selling stuff literally NOBODY asked to buy.

@schen7913

Жыл бұрын

@@halloola3636 As if you're not one of their puppets.... They control your every thought through the drinking water, through the secret element X. Seriously, don't drink so hard from the conspiracy hose. Not everyone who was involved in academia and government is out to get you.

A deeply insightful, important analysis. I've to respect this man greatly. I wish the IAI paywall wan't quite so steep.

@view1st

2 жыл бұрын

It's been effected by the very processes he's talking about.

@rogersmith7396

2 жыл бұрын

Hes all over YT if you look for it. Never fails to impress.

I remember listening to Yanis when he was finance minister in the Greek government. I tought what an intelligent, articulate and people focused person he is. So in this video, he has explained why, if you are financially able to do so, get out and have as good a time as you possiby can, while you can. Why? Because the machines have (really) taken over and there are two very important components which are missing from the algorithms, the two components are a) Climate Change and b) Environment and species decline. In the MATRIX films, humans ended up being consumed by machines as an energy source, but in the cloudalist's matrix' Humans become a self consuming entity which has no way out. Such a shame...

@aclearlight

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said!

@gyozakeynsianism

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't a movie. "Cloudalist" is an empty buzzword meant to scare you. Apparently it worked.

@r.bevantrembly3687

2 жыл бұрын

@@gyozakeynsianism maybe you should rewatch where he defines it! The Cloudalist, Amazon, owns and operates the Market Place where consumers come to shop. Amazon promotes the Marketplace and entices customers to browse as they once did, only a few years ago, in shopping malls. Amazon clearly sets the rules for the venders-who must sell through Amazon or loose out to those who do. Then Amazon sets the stall rents and percentage sell-through rates. Amazon controls a lion’s of the retail market for many products. For many vendors, to refuse an Amazon rate hike and drop out would be suicidal. For us consumers, it’s never been better. Greater selections, convenient shopping, more competitive pricing, ease of purchasing and prompt delivery with return protections. What’s not to like? Trouble is, “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”. A private corporation with this much power and monopoly over our consumer economy and manufacturing left to pursue liaise faire capitalism is bound to become exploitive, even despotic. Amazon’s ruthless attempts to resist employee unions is just the tip of the iceberg

@gyozakeynsianism

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.bevantrembly3687 That's a terrible definition, where the "bad" parts are only vaguely hinted at and some inconvenient parts of the story are downplayed (like competition from Wal-Mart and Target, and business strategies that avoid Amazon, and the fact that Amazon creates markets that didn't exist before). It's shallow, ignorant anticapitalism. It's not even good at the fearmongering part. Now do "techno-feudalism"!

@zane62135

2 жыл бұрын

Even if the algorithms did take those things into account, it isn't any less nightmarish. You'd be tracked, surveilled, and monitored every second of your life to ensure your behavior and CO2 emissions meet the acceptable criteria demanded by the AI in order to keep society stable.

I buy as little as I possibly can just to get only what I want. Most of my budget goes to rent, utilities and groceries at Aldi. They're wasting their time on me.

You are always so right. Depressing but want can we do? I am willing to boycott it all consume nothing but the essentials but most won't. I am old and pretty well consumed enough and it was not worth one should find a better distraction

Listen also to George Carlin. He nailed consumerism decades ago. This is just a new level. Bravo, Yanis.

Of course there's a way out! The freedom to choose. Buy what one needs not what one "wants". That requires the capacity for critical thought and a far greater level of self~awareness and personal responsibility than the typical level of "self"~awareness and responsibility. The higher level involves moral and civic responsibilities for living as if in a true democracy, but is absent in perhaps the majority of adult americans. And it is this absence which approaches the threshold of "non~existence" as persons without a unique identity but only as a collective of their respective societal roles.

@apollontheintp3257

2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the few sane and intelligent views shared here, including Varoufakis input which is the typical escapist stuff.

@gto433

2 жыл бұрын

Ultimately you want to be part of the culture. You can decrease spending, but you want to belong. And the culture puts too much value on consumerism. Its a cultural issue imo. In which a person belongs when they buy stuff of their own culture. Isolationist might be able to pull it off, but they lose out on other things.

@robertburatt

2 жыл бұрын

@@gto433 No risk~No gain

For a beautiful exposition of these ideas look up McKenzie Wark's work on the Vectoralist class where they eloquently and succinctly attempt to reimagine and build on Marx's class system in an age of cloud-based platform capitalism.

Very well explained.

Fantastic analysis..and a warning.

You had me at crushing democracy. 🏴

Very interesting!!

Small point: targeted advertisement existed before the internet,on TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. just check the types of ads during a kid’s show, or on a financial newspaper, or a fishing magazine.

Awesome phrasing!! Yes. That's exactly what it is... Cloudalism.

Someone's grandmother once said, "Having a TV was like having a Jew in your living room" Was she right?

"The results were consistent across tests. All four tests, the Pew Research Political Typology Quiz, the Political Compass Test, the World's Smallest Political Quiz and the Political Spectrum Quiz classified ChatGPT's answers to their questions as left-leaning." ~ David Rozado, 12/13/2022

That was really interesting. I subscribed.

Yes there is an escape, only it requires one fundamental change in the information/financial structure in (guiding foundational knowledge/money back to) of democracy; stating any 'digital/analogue information/financial transaction' made within and/or with the democracy should be 100% transparent & conform consented agreements of all (or represented parties) inhabitants in the democracy. The democracy is not limited to geographic, nationalistic nor to physical boundaries, also this rule also counts for the virtual representation of each inhabitant (either on the internet, cloud..). Due to cleptocracy (stating any criminal transaction is not committed as it didn't applies 'within' my (digital and/or physical) jurisdiction despite it did happen here), all democracies are undermined. Cleptocracy of the human mind needs to be eradicated!

This guy conveys prodigious charm

I think the consumer-algorithm interaction brings to the finding of what fits more and more the needs and desires af the consumer. It's a search instrument and dynamic. Instead, the problem is the "old fashioned" manipulation and persuation techniques, not the loop data- search-results-feedback-new data. The other problem is the intrinsic power of the technological control over human beings, especially if in the hands of not so enlightened élites.

@pault6347

2 жыл бұрын

True....plenty of good COULD come from it but it's being steered around by willfully ignorant slobs that simply see the $$ and want to maximize that at all costs....as long as those costs aren't their bottom line $$$$$ 🤣🙄🤦

Any platform that has advertising or sends cookies is feeding the A.I brain, greatest propaganda machine ever created .🤯

Ironic that the video was interrupted by adverts

Bravo,genial analitic

Love the analysis Another great film on the subject of distracting peoples attention from doing good is the 1997 political satire -Wag the Dog

Very interesting

The irony is that most people probably found this video based on KZread's recommendation algorithmic AI system 😅

Great discussion. Thank you!

Very good deep insight. I think it’s right on.

As a parsimonious Scot, I laugh at their efforts.

That's exactly right. Google Ads is no longer a provider of mine, they are a partner. They take 30% of my gross, while ALL other expenses combined take less than 10%. And, the worst thing about it, is that I have absolutely no other way to access my highly specialized market.

thanks

Thanks for this important information which I would not have seen if it weren’t for the cloudialist algorithm

Hey Yan! Am trying to persuade the Mairie here to create a neo-agora in the square de la liberte here in Moutiers, France. But, that would involve a redirection of the traffic, which, we being at altitude, creates concentrated, poisoning pollution. Am wondering if you could help?

What came first….. original thought or algorithm? Children of the future will ask😢

@Skynet_the_AI

2 жыл бұрын

I am asking that now, myself... but i don't put that much attention on it. But yeah. Ok, moving on... 😊

@Skynet_the_AI

2 жыл бұрын

Lol... hmmm...?!!

👍👍👍 only Yanis could explain this

Thank you Yannis … wonderful. You mention soul … let’s consider the possibility that one part of the solution is that our souls are empty … therefore we are vulnerable to looking outside ourselves to Amazon et al to have this longing for a meaningful life fulfilled by stuff … in a culture dominated by scientific rationalism and that consequently only acknowledges material reality as being real what other avenue will people see? Satisfy my souls and I am free from the endless hunger for material goods … these are simply my musings on a very serious issue …

@pault6347

2 жыл бұрын

100,000 %!!!!! And the feelings of emptiness continue and people just double down on it. And those that benefit financially ALSO remain miserable. NO ONE is happy except for those of us that "go backwards" and begin literally jettisoning it all from our lives....

@jonathancumberbatch9869

Жыл бұрын

Yes to some extent were all vessels but those vessels can be filled by our parents and siblings unfortunately this is discouraged by the media the same narcissistic media that enforces conditional love of ourselves, if you want an obvious example examine a "woman's" magazine that while it is advertised to give a lift is actually undermining by constantly reminding the reader of their supposed imperfections by either criticism or praise of others physical or mental attributes.

Another masterclass by the master himself. This man never misses. I've been looking to buy one of his books, which would you guys recommend as his best so far?

Our own personalities, desires, modes of expression are subverted.

6:13 "Now those who question how real the threat of artificial intelligence is to white collar jobs should ask themselves: what exactly does Alexa or Siri do?"

Brilliant !!! I pride myself for not being on Facebook - I am so damn deluded :)

Yanis your a genius guide man. Keep at it please.

Consume....feed the greed. Prayer for our century.

we must move to alternative platforms so we can avoid censorship

I've been reading a lot on Artificial Intelligence and how it relates to its adoption on politics and cultural practice in general. Perhaps one way to begin walking towards a solution is by slowing down digital automation technologies (AI, machine-learning, anything related to that). How? Perhaps by first halting upcoming "AI breakthough technolgies" (i.e. advances in AI's Unsupervised Learning, Reinforcement-based learning, etc.), through some government agency or, Congress...? Or some form of activism? Then starting a serious discussion/debate that brings in voices from social experts on the place of AI in social/cultural life and educate the public on how various scenarios of social/cultural life may look like for the next generations. Before (somehow democratically), giving green light to certain AI technologies. Because the problem is not that tech innovation is a bad thing for humanity. The problem is that, in today's globalized market, we first deploy new stuff, and then (maybe) we realize how it empower each of us to both good and bad.

I find it so ironic that a video in critic of capitalism is hosted on a website called iai that charges a monthly subscription fee

"Cloudalists" can only influence those with access to 'the cloud,' so to speak. So that is only a part of the world's population. There is, and will remain, a large part of the world's population that will be 'immune.' The real threat to humanity is the 'cloudalization' of the financial system, and MONEY. In this event (if it actually occurs), humanity will suffer the total control of capital, and the real culling of the world's global poor can occur. (See pronouncements of Davos boss Klaus Schwab).

@ince55ant

2 жыл бұрын

they will gate off every aspect of life they can and force you to use their services to gain access. They will never stop until their control is absolute. They have to grow to survive and there is no more new worlds to conquer other than existance itself

@jeroenboom8

2 жыл бұрын

the cloud is one type of prison, living in the global south is another edit: capitalists plunder the labor power of the global south' working classes - while also ecologically plundering and devastating their material resources - while only really working together with a handful of knowledge workers in that country.

@redakteur3613

2 жыл бұрын

Schwab is on of the. founders of this system…

What is bad in an algorithm that knows my preferences? As I grew up in a small village the shopkeeper knew exactly what I wanted. And he hinted me towards some new items he knew (or assumed) I might be interested in. We all understood that as a service we appreciated. Today the A.I. does exactly the same - why has it to be a bad thing yet?

They must be so upset by me because I literally buy nothing but food and necessities anymore...

Another point on 'progress' towards ever more abstraction, while the ecological and climate crises require a turn towards place based materialism and cooperation across degrees of difference.

The cloudalists for whatever reason are feeding me your stuff, might it be I have been made and that my deliberate feeding it with falsche feedback has indeed been spotted . We are now on a fascinating infinite regress rabbit hole trip.

@aclearlight

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it will ever become a prosecutable crime to signal false cravings to the algorithm? You could be in trouble aleady!

@gyozakeynsianism

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe stop taking drugs?

How is command Capital controlling us when it is supplying us with the consumer goods we want and buy? Is the algorithm controlling us because it prevents us from seeing all of the available consumer goods, favors and thus presents us with certain goods to the exclusion of others, etc? the advertisers owning the marketplace in and of itself doesn’t necessarily mean that they control demand, does it?

@edh615

2 жыл бұрын

Only the owner of the market has access to all the valuable information, so they essentially have the power to predict and shape consumer choices.

@flutieflambert

2 жыл бұрын

@@edh615 thanks for the clarification

I agree wholeheartedly with Yanis' concerns and can see the risks associated with the move from on-prem (to use a technical term) to cloud-based solutions. However, as an IT engineer operating/working with/designing/providing cloud-based solutions, I also see oversimplification in this small sample of the full speech and a lot, emphasis on 'a lot' of knee-jerk reactions in the comment section (often dictated by the lack of specific knowledge) First of all, non-tech people often confuse machine learning (ML) and AI. The former being a subset of the latter. People have been using Markovian style algos in mobile texting since the times of the old indestructible Nokia bricks yet everyone seems to be concerned about 'AI' now. Although the availability and, most of all, sharing of consumers-generated data sets is a concern and I'm all for limiting corporate access to that via extremely strict laws, this is nothing new. The moment you have a loyalty card, a subscription, your bank card, literally anything digital with your name/details on it etc., you have relinquished power, privacy and control to a third-party which in turn will share with other third parties. Without expanding and going into technical details, as opposed to the old existing system ANYONE can be their own cloud provider and retake ownership of their data. In fact, in this sense, the cloud 'revolution' is potentially liberating. What (mostly) non-tech people don't know is that, they can retake control and until the government decide to strip us down of this last bit of freedom, there is a way to shift the paradigm back towards the user. Is it easy? No. Is it technically possible? Yes. Is it expensive? It depends on how much of your info/life you want to take back control of. Is there an alternative? Yes, let the banks, governments, corporations keep playing with/exploiting your data at their heart's content like it's always been

A rich voice to add to the magnificent symphony that is surveillance capitalism academia; a place of naunced, complex, analytical thinking that everyone living needs to heed. It all started with the groundbreaking Surveillance capitalism Shoshona Zuboff.

Genius man.

"Power from any source tends to create an appetite for additional power... It was almost inevitable that the super-rich would one day aspire to control not only their own wealth, but the wealth of the whole world. To achieve this, they were perfectly willing to feed the ambitions of the power-hungry political conspirators who were committed to the overthrow of all existing governments and the establishments of a central world-wide dictatorship." ~W.Cleon Skousen

The interdependance between economy and psychology is now obvious to all ... even economists ^^ that is good !

Interesting how most of internet services escapes the arrested attention of this wonderful person.

The analysis is great, too bad there is a pay wall to hear the whole thing

There is a world in which this type of technology means we don’t all have to work 50 hours a week. But it means that the benefits cannot accrue to only a few.

What to do now? I am lost somehow

His analysis provides an Interesting perspective although it seems to imply traditional marketing activity focused on influencing choice is being supplanted by algorithmic functionality focused on commanding obedience. Is there a point at which pervasive algorithmic methodologies of influence can become so overwhelming that they effectively neuter personal choice.

@baruchespinoza6703

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@talleyhoe846

2 жыл бұрын

@@baruchespinoza6703 If there is, then the questions arise are there objective criteria to determine when that point is reached and how are the objective criteria established.

@baruchespinoza6703

2 жыл бұрын

@@talleyhoe846 Yes

@baruchespinoza6703

2 жыл бұрын

@@talleyhoe846 I mean, I'd like to believe that there is objective truth and we CAN reach it. We may have been shaken by postmodernism but when we arrive to transhumanism the only struggle will be that of power, as it always should have been. Discussions about ideology will become obsolete as access to data and open source algorithms to analyze it become universally accessible. In the mean time I have only one answer for you: ... Yes.

@rogersmith7396

2 жыл бұрын

It means the people who think markets will solve all our problems are clueless.

He got there!

So Yannis, which motorcycle do you ride, the one that meets your need for transport or the one you want because it thrills you? The 50 cc honda or the Ducati Panigale v4?

Advertisements are based on lies or negative energy, but life & the universe are based on positive energy, so all these advertisements are harmful to human beings & also to those who are advertising it, but they don't know that.

Good man with some great ideas. Wish we had more like him. Didn't know about this channel before. However, having dubious people like David Blunket who was in favour of machine gunning rioting prisoners, on your channel steers me clear.

That man has an amazing mind!

Hypothesis : *One always can say NO* A modernised definition of austerity and ascetic lifestyle is needed. Otherwise well programmed robots (👥👥) will always go for more consumerustic excesses . If this will not get introduced and educated as part of the survival mechanism we don't deserve better but to be willing auto self destruct machines annihilating their own fundament of their existence in times to come. ✊go Yanis go

the voice at the end - was that alexa?

YT algorithm suggested this to me when i was scrolling. I did enjoy the video. So the suggestion was succesful. and I think i will watch the rest of Yanis talk. So by my own admittance I proved the algorithm by YT can find something to engage me under ten mintues with a topic that reflects my current mindset (and if I want to really make Yanis point....my beliefs...too a point) while promoting Yanis viewpoints in order for it to be suggested to others. so in turn, the algorithim knows that people are trying to understand It and its place in the world it was created. But, at the same time being leveraged by the owners to the rest of the market in order to keep money flowing. so would it be possible to change the direction of this new oligarchy if people started searching for things that contradict the needs of owners?

There is a complex reason behind everything

site i use every once a week went cloud now they have 10 times more issues and range from lag to server disconnects to constant surveilance by cloud service provider. Not a safe bet to go cloud. Better to make your own server and own it then rent one for 3 times the price.

ah, this is a bit overboard. what he is calling AI an ML is really just old fashioned pattern matching where the more data collected by the giga-douche corporations feeds into more stupid answers. my trail of command capital algorithms in the cloud is lousy at figuring out what i want ! youtube is the worst. its just simple pattern matching that is not very AI and not very good. worst case = turn the dumb things off.

But, actually you're not thinking about the idea of creation (where does desire come from). I was thinking about Marx, because one of his major points was trying to explain the creation of value. If you say that the algorithm is creating by itself his own feedback at some point (and we are in the middle in a very passive way), then you can't explain the shape of a commodity. If we ask: "why do we want an iPhone?", the answer should be a metaphysical explanation: "because of the algorithm". And then you're not talking about Capitalism anymore, you're talking about a teleological idea. This is a classic problem, this is not a modern problem for Marxism. We could ask in 1920: "Why do we want a pair of shoes?", and if we answer: "because of the shoe factory", then were are not talking about Capitalism, we are just avoiding the problem of the shape of a commodity. We need to think about the algorithm in the same way that a means of production.

Every time people invent a new technology and say, "This is the way we will finally be free of ads. They can't possibly find a way to advertise on something that's already free.", the ad men find a way. They are the problem. No one wants advertising except capitalists who already have more money than the people they are taking from.

@pault6347

2 жыл бұрын

"The illusion of wealth without work". I respectfully suggest that the Ad Men are not capitalists. They are THEIVES. They are selling something NO ONE wants. That is a forced transaction. Theft.

@jaylucas8352

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the algorithms are just manipulating the human soul at this point

retail supermarkets already did it for decades already. the shops already controlled what the shopper would see on the shelves. i see no true qualitative difference between online "algorithmic" marketing and other kinds. the phenomenon is just more obvious and streamlined now that retailers have become gargantuan in the marketplace

i’d love to see the end of it, but on general principle, I’m not going to a different website, if Siri invites me...it is likely a website in which there are hidden fees

The "Free Markets" (officially) died in 2008 for those who might not have noticed.

KZread's recommendations leave alot to be desired

This assumes that the Cloudalists are in control of the algorithm. But what if they are not?

The creeping inertia of greed. Buy, Buy, bye bye. MK is real.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

you object to greed? On what grounds?

@Tunnelmental

2 жыл бұрын

@@vhawk1951kl Based on my observations of ownership and unfair practices.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

Do you sake some particular objection to whatever you mean by greed? If so, what is your objection to greed - whatever you mean by greed?

@Tunnelmental

2 жыл бұрын

@@vhawk1951kl at no point does my objection to greed matter. as an observation I can say this. GREED KILLS. END WARS.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tunnelmental Those that abuse capital letters emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser. What do you mean by greed, and give me an example of whatever you mean by greed killing anyone? It might be an idea if you calm down and while a little less hysterical.

How much do we really need? It stops when we stop it.

D algo got me here… ohwai

The commodification of our emotions

this is a jaw drop yt algo dropped me here, obviously

From the mass of consumers' perspective it's not going to behave like a "cloud" but much more like a black hole. They are happy to be sucked down into it but don't give a thought to the fact that a horizon will be crossed and that's game over - they're stuck with no way back out.

Fascism also plays off nostalgia and emotions in a very similar way. Though presumably with the primary goal of political power instead of profit. Still, the overlap in methods and most affected audience demographics can't have gone unnoticed

Seize the means of cloud production it is then?